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Date Posted:18/07/2009 3:25 AMCopy HTML

From your vast amount of experience of Gods supernatural power,please tell us how you  would define Blessings?

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Re:Blessings Ian?

Date Posted:18/07/2009 4:39 AMCopy HTML

Hi, Spangler.

I'm not really sure what you're asking. Could you please elaborate?

Blessings,

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 5:06 AMCopy HTML

When you close your posts you say blessings what do you mean by this and what sort of blessings have you received?
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Date Posted:18/07/2009 5:17 AMCopy HTML

Hi, Spangler.

When you close your posts you say blessings what do you mean by this and what sort of blessings have you received?

Oh, that's what you were asking! When I say "blessings" it's short-hand for "God's blessings", which is simply a Christian closing salutation, similar in some respects to Paul's usage of "grace and peace". As for what sorts of blessings I've personally received, well, the list would be rather long! But heading it in my estimation would be the gift of salvation graciously extended to me.

Blessings,

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 5:34 AMCopy HTML

One of daughters was 8 months old and was burning  with a fever she just went limp in my wifes arms we had prayer for her and in a split second she revived and had no sign of the fever.This is just one of the many blessings my family have received. I lost my adiction to nicotine the night I was baptised I have had numerous healings I no longer  suffer from ecsma .I would be interested to hear what the Lord has done for you.

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 5:50 AMCopy HTML

Sounds like a macho "Whose god is better than whose" challenge.

Very mature I don't think.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 5:51 AMCopy HTML

Hi, Spangler.

Your question almost sounds like a challenge: a “my dad can beat up your dad” sort of comparing. Are you honestly interested, or are you jockeying for a "god who answers by fire, let him be God" sort of confrontation with me?

Blessings,

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 6:20 AMCopy HTML

Why are all of you so paranoid.Jesus said we would be his Witness.I am just giving HIM praise for what he has done for my family and am not ashamed to tell others what he has done for me.Or is this sight atheists only?Im sorry If I Offended by talking about miracles.Surely that is what fellowship is all about?
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Date Posted:18/07/2009 6:41 AMCopy HTML

Hi, Spangler.

That's an interesting response! I think you could probably count the number of atheists who visit this site on one hand (with fingers left over). To be honest, I'm not even sure that any atheists contribute here. Anyway, please correct me if I'm wrong, but do you equate God's "blessings" with Revivalist "miracles"?

Blessings,

Ian

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 7:17 AMCopy HTML

Ian          GOD performs miracles not revivalist members.Jesus Christ the SAME yeterday,today forever.Or do you think it is mind over matter?  And I thought GOD was everyones Dad.
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Date Posted:18/07/2009 7:19 AMCopy HTML

LOL! Your Lord clearly didn't give you the power of punctuation or spelling though!!!!!


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One of daughters was 8 months old and was burning  with a fever she just went limp in my wifes arms we had prayer for her and in a split second she revived and had no sign of the fever.This is just one of the many blessings my family have received. I lost my adiction to nicotine the night I was baptised I have had numerous healings I no longer  suffer from ecsma .I would be interested to hear what the Lord has done for you."

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 11:21 AMCopy HTML

               Please , please , please,   all calm down and don't surmise the your assertions to be something it is not.
             I know  Spangler to a genuinely nice and honest person and not connected to any of the above suggestions.  I don't consider myself to be of any stature or status. I know who I am and what I'm not and if and when I am criticized , then that person has the right to their opinion, right or wrong . I am not about to teach or change the world.
             There have been many on this Forum who may not be fluent in the vernacular and I would not dare be abrasive toward anyone as such. I know some here deliberately just type as fast as they can and don't bother to return for any corrections or puntuations. 
             So lets humour it and just put up with him - just as we have had to put up with you ! 
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Re:Blessings Ian?

Date Posted:18/07/2009 11:35 AMCopy HTML

Hey Spangler,
It was nice to read something positive for a change in what the Lord has done for your family instead of all the other tripe that gets posted here. When I got saved the Lord healed me from smoking that was 20 years ago and I am forever grateful. My family also has had many miracles done for them. Does it matter whether we were in a "revival" place or not.I don't think it does personally. Whoever calls on the Lord believing the Lord will hear and do. Ask and ye shall receive. Hasn't changed at all from when I was in orthodox religion to revivalist.
People are the problem not the Lord. Now I'm not in either but I know the Lord is still there working miracles and helping me and am forever grateful for His grace
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Date Posted:18/07/2009 12:33 PMCopy HTML

Im sorry for my punctuation and spelling,I dropped out of school in year 11.Whats your excuse?Anyway the Lord calls the simple to confound the wise.I may be simple but I KNOW  what the LOVE OF GOD is.SAY WHAT YOU LIKE!
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Date Posted:18/07/2009 12:48 PMCopy HTML

 S'ok man...
Mistaken identity me thinks. 

A certain other fellow with free-stylin' spelling has been a pest on the forum recently and you got caught in the cross-fire by the after effects. No one expects perfect spelling on the board... but the other guy was so boastful about his 'education' that it's hilarious when he starts spelling and 'grammarin' with his grade seven levelled stuff.

But anyway... and reallllly... you seemed to be using those healings/miracles as a weapon. You 'seemed' to be using them as a challenge right from the get go, and then sarcastically right there with your lead in question. What's up with that? You framed your victories in the hope that Ian would give a 'list' of blessings for you to compare and maybe see who God love most. Don't tell the that isn't kinda messed up. You weren't asking the guy for his appreciation of the salutation, you were leading him for a cheap shot because...? I dunno... you're desperate to knock him down? 

It's awesome that your daughter recovered from a fever. It's amazing that she recovered immediately. You believe it was your god being compassionate, and you must be very thankful for that. It's great that you had what you consider blessings in your life, and thanks for sharing... I think it would be great to share such things without hassling people to see if they also had miracles as good as yours. I could list lots of great things that happened in my life too, and many of them were also instantaneous and amazingly timed etc. and I'm not Christian, and from the looks of the messed up doctrines I believed in Revival land, I may never have actually ever been Christian. I'm not an atheist either, but have once called myself so. 

What about people who have had loved ones die, even after prayer? What about people who haven't had every prayer answered and suffered misery and pain? Should they be measuring how much faith they have, or if their church is better than others'... or if god loves them more? If that's the way you're thinking at the moment, then It's just kinda nutty, doncha think?

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 2:35 PMCopy HTML

One of daughters was 8 months old and was burning  with a fever she just went limp in my wifes arms we had prayer for her and in a split second she revived and had no sign of the fever.This is just one of the many blessings my family have received. I lost my adiction to nicotine the night I was baptised I have had numerous healings I no longer  suffer from ecsma .I would be interested to hear what the Lord has done for you.

In Revival we attributed such occurrences as a “blessing”, but the Bible doesn’t distinguish this as being the case as far as divine healing goes. Yes, it is a "blessing" that those things happen,but there can be logical medical and/or phychological explanations also why this happens. Don't get me wrong, give the Lord all the glory for it anyway.  I advocate prayer for healing.
I remember certain physical experiences some had whilst operating “spiritual gifts in the church” such as severe pins and needles through their fingers arms and legs and a cramping up of the limbs. This was explained away as a “blessing” from the Lord. I had experienced this several times myself. (I know now there is a natural reason why this occurred, which is another story). A deception of Revivalist mindset.

“Blessing” according to Webster’s Dictionary

Definitions: Blessing

Noun

1. The formal act of giving approval: "he gave the project his blessing"; "his decision merited the approval of any sensible person".

2. A desirable state; "enjoy the blessings of peace"; "a spanking breeze is a boon to sailors".

3. A short prayer of thanks before a meal.

4. A ceremonial prayer invoking divine protection.

5. The act of praying for divine protection.

 

One meaning is the Old Testament word barak, usually translated “to bless,” indicates the action of pronouncing good things upon the recipient, as when God blesses the patriarchs and they bless others; with respect to blessings that result from covenant obedience; and as people return blessing to God in worship. However the OT does not portray a blessing as magical, but as a prayer offered to a sovereign God.

In NT the word (eulogia), in its most general sense means “speaking well.” But for the most part derives its meaning primarily from the influence of the OT rather than its Greek etymology. The word is used to refer to the blessings God bestows on others as well as the blessings and praise he receives.

Blessing God involves both words and thoughts that magnify, honour, and praise God’s nature, and attributes. Such praises are acts of  worship. Saying a blessing or offering thanks for food and participating in the Lord’s supper are examples of responding to God’s blessing by offering a blessing.

The ultimate blessing is salvation. (Scource; Mounce’s Dictionary)

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 11:16 PMCopy HTML

Hi, Spangler.

So were you (the "simple") setting out to confound me (the "wise")?

Blessings,

Ian

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Date Posted:18/07/2009 11:53 PMCopy HTML

Hi, Spangler.

So were you (the "simple") setting out to confound me (the "wise")?

Blessings,

Ian

Still praying for that mouth of yours Mr T.
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Date Posted:19/07/2009 12:18 AMCopy HTML

Proverbs 26:12 Ian. Tsk Tsk.
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Date Posted:19/07/2009 12:50 AMCopy HTML

Proverbs 27:2
2 Timothy 3:2

Are you boasting again, Ian. Pride, pride

pride (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pride)

  noun, verb, prided, priding.

1.         a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.

2.         the state or feeling of being proud.

3.         a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.

4.         pleasure or satisfaction taken in something done by or belonging to oneself or believed to reflect credit upon oneself: civic pride.

Synonyms:

1. PRIDE, CONCEIT, SELF-ESTEEM, EGOTISM, VANITY, VAINGLORY imply an unduly favorable idea of one's own appearance, advantages, achievements, etc., and often apply to offensive characteristics. PRIDE is a lofty and often arrogant assumption of superiority in some respect: Pride must have a fall. CONCEIT implies an exaggerated estimate of one's own abilities or attainments, together with pride: blinded by conceit. SELF-ESTEEM may imply an estimate of oneself that is higher than that held by others: a ridiculous self-esteem. EGOTISM implies an excessive preoccupation with oneself or with one's own concerns, usually but not always accompanied by pride or conceit: His egotism blinded him to others' difficulties. VANITY implies self-admiration and an excessive desire to be admired by others: His vanity was easily flattered. VAINGLORY, somewhat literary, implies an inordinate and therefore empty or unjustified pride: puffed up by vainglory. 5. boast.

Antonyms:

1. humility.

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Date Posted:19/07/2009 1:46 AMCopy HTML

 Pilinut

You'll notice that Spangler alludes to Ian being the wise and he being the 'simple' in post #13. Ian was noting that with tongue in cheek I'm sure, as per usual... cheeky, but not an 'attack' in comparison to your largish post aimed at Ian just now, espeically when Spangler set up this thread specifically to provoke Ian, huh?

I can't help but notice that this actual thread was actually written TO Ian, but very obviously in a bid to trigger something, and now you're jumping on the poor guy for being a little cheeky back. Responding in kind a little, but not a lot, I would think.

There are already other forums where petty Ian haters can gather and gripe. I suggest you go and stay there if all you're going to do at this forum is that exact thing EVERY time you post. 

 

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Date Posted:19/07/2009 2:02 AMCopy HTML

Some of you Guys just dont get it ,I dont care what you all think of me I have been Abused by one of noels henchmen this is nothing new to me.ian I Glorified God for what he has done for me and my family have you got a  problem with that?AND no ian I certainly dont think that you are WISE!I came to this sight looking for fellowship and some support mostly I see bitterness and hatred Im sure God is impressed.Jesus called us His FREINDS.Im sorry I wont post here again.I did not intend to cause offence.For those who know DONT forget your FIRST LOVE!
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Some of you Guys just dont get it ,I dont care what you all think of me I have been Abused by one of noels henchmen this is nothing new to me.

This really isn't abuse, you know? It isn't. Was the abuse the henchman gave you a spelling correction? Ease up... it was mistaken identity and if you can't appreciate that then that's up to you. You appeared on the board with a seemingly innocent question, but a loaded one I feel. You were setting up some subtle abuse yourself. No? Or were you genuinely interested in a theologian's view on the word 'Blessings' and how they compared with yours in order to measure a man... in a good way?

an I Glorified God for what he has done for me and my family have you got a problem with that?

No, no problem at all. In fact, that IS very encouraging to know and hear. You're out of that place and you can live a life of comparitive freedom. More power to you!

AND no ian I certainly dont think that you are WISE!

Then why enquire his 'vast knowledge' about the salutation he uses? Why quote that simple things confound the wise in reference to your communication with Ian?

I came to this sight looking for fellowship and some support mostly I see bitterness and hatred Im sure God is impressed.

It really doesn't seem that fellowship and support were what you were after by the looks of your opening query. It looks deceptive. I think the bitterness is with you, but I could be wrong. I'm not sure why you're so eager to 'see' bitterness and hatred. Life is as we perceive it or allow ourselves to. It's actually not that bad.

Jesus called us His FREINDS.Im sorry I wont post here again.I did not intend to cause offence.For those who know DONT forget your FIRST LOVE!

If you're saying you didn't mean to cause an offence and you were simply interested in understanding what Ian thought a blessing was, and you were genuinely interested in him listing such blessings then that's ok. I think a much more friendly approach would have been to tell us about all the blessings in your life and then invite others to share theirs, rather than poke at the guy who you probably know will entice others to gang up. Anyway, think about it and feel free to post again. People always say they won't post again, but knee-jerk hissy fits are normal reactions.

And remember, if you want to be a friend, you have to show yourself friendly smiley15
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Date Posted:19/07/2009 2:40 AMCopy HTML

Sabrina/Pilinut/Mannick,

Aren't you and Galien capable of following a fairly simple conversation? Clearly Spangler had in mind himself for the "simple man", and me for the "wise man" (hence my use of quotation marks); so my question was the obvious one to ask.

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You'll notice that Spangler alludes to Ian being the wise and he being the 'simple' in post #13. Ian was noting that with tongue in cheek I'm sure, as per usual... cheeky, but not an 'attack' in comparison to your largish post aimed at Ian just now, espeically when Spangler set up this thread specifically to provoke Ian, huh?

I can't help but notice that this actual thread was actually written TO Ian, but very obviously in a bid to trigger something, and now you're jumping on the poor guy for being a little cheeky back. Responding in kind a little, but not a lot, I would think.

Hmmm. Why do I get the feeling that some posters are more equal than others? Ian can say whatever he wants but no on else can without getting your foot up their bum. When I asked you on the cbox how that worked you said "I dunno". If Ian gets to demand, and demand is the word, from all and sundry what their beliefs and adherence to the word of God are, its only fair that Ian gets called to account for the shitty way he speaks to people. A little cheeky? Ian wouldn't know how to be a little anything, any more than I would. Even though he is clearly clever, it also takes a certain level of intelligence and cynicism to "get" Ian's humour. To most people he comes across as a self important knob would could care less about anything except looking clever.
There are already other forums where petty Ian haters can gather and gripe. I suggest you go and stay there if all you're going to do at this forum is that exact thing EVERY time you post. 

Oh you bored Moth Probaly due to the amount of times Ian has been told the same thing? I'm not an Ian hater at all, I'm just curious to know why a person of his intelligence continues to bait already traumatised people, a pastime he clearly enjoys and has no intention of changing.  It's like watching the bullies in the playground. It's pathetic.

Just remember that revival has done different levels of damage to different people. It would be very sad if a person came here for help and comfort and was further discouraged by thinking everyone who left revival has turned into exactly the asshole that the oversight tell you that you will. Success is always the best revenge, and caring for the souls of others is the depth of the obedience to god that Ian is so happy banging on about.

And as you said before you banned me from the Cbox moth, perhaps I can pat people on the head, but hopefully not make them feel like shit any more than they already do. I am starting to think this forum exists for the sole purpose of you, Ian and a few others laughing at people you consider less intelligent. Nice, very grown up, very christlike. Barf.
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Re:Blessings Ian?

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Hmmm. Why do I get the feeling that some posters are more equal than others? Ian can say whatever he wants but no on else can without getting your foot up their bum. 

Let's take this case by case if we must... check the above thread. People are seeking Ian out and yet again he's the focus... and he was beckoned into it. Ian's not a moderator or an administrator on the board, but may as well be. He was invited here by the moderator, so I don't see him as being someone to be butt kicked. He gets enough of that from some of the users here over the time.

When I asked you on the cbox how that worked you said "I dunno".

Still dunno... what should we do about it? In future, when I see Ian attacking someone personally and repetitively such as you seem to have, or others persist to do, then we'll but a boot into his bum, fairly and squarlie... Okies..? let's do it!

If Ian gets to demand, and demand is the word, from all and sundry what their beliefs and adherence to the word of God are, its only fair that Ian gets called to account for the shitty way he speaks to people. A little cheeky? 

In this case, yep, he's being cheeky. Who doesn't like being cheeky? You should have seen him before he started showing the cheeky personality. It was like talking to an ATM.  Ian is a full on regular here and he isn't going away. Aimoo is putting an 'ignore' feature back on the board like the old boards used to. Until then you'll just have to ignore him the old fashioned way. I don't really see the way he speaks to people as being shitty. I think many people are a bit overly precious and hate being called up and caught out.

Ian wouldn't know how to be a little anything, any more than I would. Even though he is clearly clever, it also takes a certain level of intelligence and cynicism to "get" Ian's humour. To most people he comes across as a self important knob would could care less about anything except looking clever. 

Ha, yep. Maybe some people do have not quite attained the level of intelligence to appreciate Ian. I'll take that as somewhat of a compliment. Unfortunately there hasn't been anyone to challenge Ian with 'anything' that might put him in his place theologically... now that'd be a fun conversation. So I guess that comes across in his manner after a few years. Revivalists aren't generally renowned for their scriptural prowess.

I'm not an Ian hater at all, I'm just curious to know why a person of his intelligence continues to bait already traumatised people, a pastime he clearly enjoys and has no intention of changing. It's like watching the bullies in the playground. It's pathetic. 

He always responds in kind. Maybe that's a personality flaw on his part? He could hold back a little? Perhaps. Could it be that he is actually flawed? God forbid :S

Just remember that revival has done different levels of damage to different people. It would be very sad if a person came here for help and comfort and was further discouraged by thinking everyone who left revival has turned into exactly the asshole that the oversight tell you that you will. 

Sad yes... maybe if we had professional counsellors on board and a whole different set of people to greet them here things would be different. We work with what we have, eh? This is just a forum and if you do show yourself friendly maybe people will respond in kind. We should all try it eh? Sif we act like this in real life? Heck, we wouldn't make it through a day alive. So let's do this one post at a time. Let's promote friendliness and adhere to the new rules posted recently.

Success is always the best revenge, and caring for the souls of others is the depth of the obedience to god that Ian is so happy banging on about. And as you said before you banned me from the Cbox moth, perhaps I can pat people on the head, but hopefully not make them feel like shit any more than they already do. 

I threw some water over your head yeah. You were pretty damn annoying... to me, but I'm sorry about that. I should've let you just keep having your say... what can it hurt?

I am starting to think this forum exists for the sole purpose of you, Ian and a few others laughing at people you consider less intelligent. Nice, very grown up, very christlike. Barf.

I'm not tring to be christlike myself... I'm me-like. Ian's just a talking Bible commentry... he's just not the go to guy if you're looking for any much other help than theology (on this board). 

What exactly do you think should be done? 
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this was on the chatbox yesterday

18 Jul 09, 11:22
Didaktikon: Glad. It's probably just Moth advising people that to join the CBox one needs to approach him with a request. Keep the nutters out, and all that!  Ian
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Reply to pilinut

this was on the chatbox yesterday

18 Jul 09, 11:22
Didaktikon: Glad. It's probably just Moth advising people that to join the CBox one needs to approach him with a request. Keep the nutters out, and all that!  Ian

Of which there are puh-lenty!
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Mothman,

Of which there are puh-lenty!

Ain't that the truth!

Blessings,

Ian

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Good morning, Spangler.

Okay, but have you considered that your approach might have been what led people to reach the conclusions they did? You claim that you came here looking for fellowship, which is fair enough, but what sort of fellowship were you seeking? Furthermore, you've since stated that you won't be coming back. But why? Is it because you believe you were misunderstood? That happens, it's part-and-parcel of two dimensional e-communication. What concerns me is that you apparently created your log-on ID with the intent of posting your very first submission, which just happened to present as a somewhat specious approach towards me. I responded by asking for clarification of your meaning (and intent), at which point  matters escalated somewhat, with the "usual suspects" deciding to spread their standard fare of invective.

I feel I need to ask you: what are you after? Is it fellowship? Is it answers?

Blessings,

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I was hoping to get some Testimonies of those who have gotten over the emotional and mental trauma that have received from the abusers that they have escaped from.WE should share our testimonies so others can be encouraged.
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Hi, Spangler.

Okay, that's certainly reasonable. I've not actually suffered too much in the way of personal emotional or mental trauma or anguish as a result of my time in the RCI, but I certainly am well acquainted with scores of people who have. Not only does Revivalism promote heretical beliefs, it also promotes social dysfunction. I'm of the opinion that the two are inextricably linked.

But what has such trauma to do with your comments re: Revivalist "miracles"?

Blessings,

Ian

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There are many labels many beliefs many religions wars are fought all in the name of God.We know the history of Northern Ireland ,the Jihad ,God deals with the hearts of men and it is men that are the problem .
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Spangler,

Guess what? It's also men (or more specifically a man) who is part of the solution.

Blessings,

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I read that Jesus was coming back to sort it all out.

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Spangler,

Do you think Scripture teaches us to just leave everything to Jesus, to "sort out"?

Blessings,

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Samson?Lust.Saul?became puffed up and rebellious.Solomon?Proverbs,Ecclesiastes etc.his wives turned his heart from God,David?had a man sent to his death so that he could have his wife.If you want to trust in man good luck.I would rather let the Comforter be my guide.
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Hi, Spangler.

Actually, the man that I had in mind was named Jesus. And this very same Jesus told us (his followers) to get out into the world in order to function as "salt and light" (in other words, as a purifying agency). My Saviour nowhere said, "...sit on your hands and wait for me, I'll sort things out when I get back".

Now this comforter of whom you spoke, would that be the Revivalist's "tongues" or would it be a reference to the biblical third person of the Trinity?

I guess I'm still trying to work out where you're coming from, and what you're after.

Blessings,

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 Hi Spangler,

I am exGRC, I have been out now for about 11 years, after having been in for 16 years.

It IS good to trust the Lord, but we also have to be pro-active with regards to our own lives as well.

I was speaking to a friend from a church very similar to the GRC about house insurance and the cost of it.

He said that he didn't believe in paying for insurance as he prefers to trust the Lord.

His house was burgled not long after that conversation.

It IS good to trust the Lord, but we also have to be responsible because we DO live in this world and sometimes things just happen.

One of the GRC elders pointed out to me a long time ago that accidents and illnesses can still be part of an overcoming walk with the Lord.

Cheers,

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Cheers Glad I have house hold insurance and comprehensive insurance for my car .Dont worry I have been through many trials.We are not of this world and are strangers and pilgrims passing through,We just have to treasure the right things.Ian I told you why I posted,fellowship and testimonies. 

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Hi, Spangler.

Thanks for addressing one of the statements in my post. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind addressing the question as well?

Blessings,

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Hi Spangler.

I was in the Wagga assembly for nine years. I was booted out in September of 1993. I had a bad breakdown after that. I wet to another pentecostal church for ten years. In the end I just left because I could not cope with the group behaviour of the people, which to me seemed not that different to what I had experienced in revival.

I'm pretty different from the average person. Im an introvert, which places me in only 30% of the population. I have an INFJ personality (myers briggs) which places me in 1% of the population. Added to that I am gifted, which means I have difficulty with authority, because I question the assumptions that the status quo of anything is built on. and I am a very independent thinker. I have also had multiple abuses in my life.

All this came to a head when I was booted out of revival. I loved the people in the assembly so much, like they were my family, but then I always love people that much because I believe that is the example of Jesus. I felt so betrayed, I could not believe they had booted me out because of who I was, and because I called them on the horrible way they treated people.  As always the assembly was my whole social network, and I was so shatterd that people would cross the road to avoid me. Also the pastor told me that god did not love me anymore, and I believed him. I didn't know then that pastors lie. I have had severe depression most of my life, so thios betrayal made me much worse than usual, and I developed obsessive compulsive disorder which was terrifying.  I could not eat, or sleep or drive my car for 2 months. I could not even have a conversation. I wanted to die.

At the end of that year I ventured into a CRC church. I cried every sunday for at least 2 years because of the pain I felt. I still missed my brethren in revival so much. The church had about 350 people in it. Had an okay pastor, an army guy. He got posted elsewhere, and another guy took over. The church was run by a group of three elders. The pastor and his wife had some kind of a dispute with the elders and the church fell apart. There were like 50 people left by the time the dust had settled. I kept out of it, I had enough on my pain plate already. I was so shocked by the way I saw people behave. Lying and bitching and finger pointing and taking sides. Made me very sad. Another pastor was sent in to sort things out. He was so kind, one of the only pastors I have ever really liked. But after a year he had to go look after his elderly parents and they sent another guy.

After about an hour of listening to the new guy, I knew the writing was on the wall for me in that church. Just another ego driven, self important hard hearted salesman of god knows what who could care less about anyone but himself. After six months, I left. I had been in the church 10 years.

I've had a lot of counselling, christian and secular. I finally found a counsellor three years ago smarter than me (thank god) who finally made sense and understood a lot of what I was saying. She was brought up in an evangelical anglican church so really got my issues with the church and with god. I am 48 now and have been a christian since I was nine, long before I ever hit revival. God has held my hand through everything. I have never had a happy life, the trauma I have been through has damaged me too greatly. I have never really been comforted by being a christian, but it has made me strong, and taught me that there is a better way to live than the way the herd generally follows. I have had some times when I have felt suicidal, but that is behind me now.

I noticed quite early that people do not treat each other well. Even in christian groups, the same patterns happen. There are those who want to be in charge, those who suck up to those in charge, the in group and the outliers. I worked in a christian school for five years, and saw all the same patterns there. It has made me feel as though humans are not capable of acting any other way, even though I believe Jesus gave us the perfect example of how to live the opposite way.

I am not entirely sure why even christians cannot step away from the ego driven need for power and status, the need for the approval of others, greed, selfishness, politics etc.  Jesus often said "you have been taught ______, but I tell you this". He tried to show us a better way where the crap people live by no longer operates. The kindgom of heaven is so far above the petty rubbish we still immerse ourselves in.

I don't go to church anymore, and I probably won't again. I can no longer trust christians not to act in the way I have outlined above. Perhaps my standards are too high, I have been told that often. I am more content though now and more able to accept myself and live without guilt than I ever have been before. I will always love god with all my heart soul mind and strength and my neighbour as myself (well probably better than myself but I am getting better at that too.

I won't ever let another religious organisation get in between myself and my god. It's just not worth it.



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Hello Galien,

Have you considered that church groups may take on a group dynamic and a group personality?

From my studies in group personalities, a lot of churches are considered as taking on a group myers briggs personality of INFP.  So even if the individuals are not of that type, in a group setting the group may take on INFP traits, and that could explain a lot about group behaviour in churches.

I myself am an INFP and have seen the groups I have been in contact with take on somewhat of a group personality trait.   So I am a little more forgiving of them. 

Would you concur?

Pax et Bonum.
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Yes Mr K, I would concur. I had read that also. It's not so much being forgiving, as realising that there seems to be a point where some people stop thinking for themselves, and descend into groupthink. Having been the victim of that more than once, I'll pass thanks. It also bothers me what people will do because an "authority figure" tells them to. Heard of the Milgram experiments?
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 I finally found a counsellor three years ago smarter than me (thank god) who finally made sense and understood a lot of what I was saying. She was brought up in an evangelical anglican church so really got my issues with the church and with god.


galien,

I do believe that is the most touching testimony I have  ever heard, I know what you meant by the above "someone smarter than me" I was "fixed" after many years when this girl , 3 years ago, fixed my heart problem.
Thank God for the ones "smarter than us" who can zero in and fix the problem.
 
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Good morning, Spangler.

Well, according to Scripture the Holy Spirit is another Comforter, Jesus Christ being the Comforter. Changes one's perspective a little, doesn't it?

Blessings,

Ian

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 The GRC Comforter is the Holy Ghost - Hymn 158 (probably now from 'old' GRC hymn book), first verse and chorus,

Oh, spread the tidings round,
wherever man is found,wherever human hearts and human woes abound;
Let every Christian tongue proclaim the joyful sound:
The Comforter has come!

The Comforter has come, the Comforter has come!
The Holy Ghost from heaven, the Father's promise given;
Oh, spread the tidings round,
wherever man is found-
The Comforter has come!

I love that hymn!

Cheers,

Glad
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