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Anyone selectively using the bible to support their own fear and prejudices (and the GRC is full of them) might want to check out a few of the other requirements in the good book.http://www.liberator.net/articles/AdamsKen/BibleJustice.htmlNow the bible is a package deal right? Otherwise why are these scriptures in there? Who are we to say which scriptures can and cannot be ignored?This one is even more comphrehensive: http://www.biblelaw.com/A particular favourite:'Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.'NB. NEW testament. Lets see you interpret your way out of that one!
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Re:Bible laws (adultery etc)

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'Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Ah shit!  

LOL!!!!

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Anyone selectively using the bible to support their own fear and prejudices (and the GRC is full of them) might want to check out a few of the other requirements in the good book.http://www.liberator.net/articles/AdamsKen/BibleJustice.htmlNow the bible is a package deal right? Otherwise why are these scriptures in there? Who are we to say which scriptures can and cannot be ignored?This one is even more comphrehensive: http://www.biblelaw.com/A particular favourite:'Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.'NB. NEW testament. Lets see you interpret your way out of that one!

you know i never did get that one. i may look upon someone and think that they are very goodlooking guy or beautiful woman. so does that mean ive committed adultery millions of times along with being a lesbian??

please explain?????? looking but not touching are 2 different things i thort.

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I've always thought that scriputre about lusting after has already committed adultery, meant that it would be an absolutely do-able thing given the chance, more than just  the "Whooaahhhhh" factor. Any comments.....?
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The verse is meant to show that no-one is without sin, that sin is in the heart.  Jesus was showing the Pharisees that they couldn't think they were without sin just because they didn't carry out the act.  Rather that all people sin in their hearts all the time.  The Pharisees thought they could attain salvation through works, but Jesus said that wasn't the case. 

 

 

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The verse is meant to show that no-one is without sin, that sin is in the heart. Jesus was showing the Pharisees that they couldn't think they were without sin just because they didn't carry out the act. Rather that all people sin in their hearts all the time. The Pharisees thought they could attain salvation through works, but Jesus said that wasn't the case.

ohhhhhh, i see now- ive seen the light. lol

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The verse is meant to show that no-one is without sin, that sin is in the heart. Jesus was showing the Pharisees that they couldn't think they were without sin just because they didn't carry out the act. Rather that all people sin in their hearts all the time. The Pharisees thought they could attain salvation through works, but Jesus said that wasn't the case.
I totally agree, and very well put.
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I've always thought that scriputre about lusting after has already committed adultery, meant that it would be an absolutely do-able thing given the chance, more than just the "Whooaahhhhh" factor. Any comments.....?

I think the advice given to us in the scriptures is generally a 'how not to hurt people' type of advice.

Adultery is more than slapping body parts together with someone you shouldn't be. The body parts and the exchange of fluids can lead to complications... sure... but even if safe sex is practiced it's still a terrible thing to do to someone you love. What I'm saying is that the act of cheating on your spouse is a terrible tragedy and betrayal of trust. It is more than poking bits of flesh around (is anyone enjoying these comments?).

yeah, I'm sure if you're male (and females too...) you've probably looked upon an adult film star and lusted a bit. And given the opportunity you may even act on it (the flesh is weak) -I'm glad there's no film stars living next door... or am I?. Law says we crossed the line and should be stoned with big heavy things other than drugs. Grace says 'okay you're human... you just hurt someone you love deeply by selfishly doing the hibbidy dibbity with another... you've betrayed someone and you're a bit of a dick for doing it... move on, Jesus loves ya."

It's not the physical sex... it's the mental anguish you give to the person you've promised to love. It sucks for them. If we can we should really avoid hurting each other that way. If it was only the thought of sex with another that equated as full-blown woopda then I must be beyond the 70 times seven forgiveness. But we live and learn and then keep on living.

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Adultery is more than slapping body parts together with someone you shouldn't be. The body parts and the exchange of fluids can lead to complications... sure... but even if safe sex is practiced it's still a terrible thing to do to someone you love. What I'm saying is that the act of cheating on your spouse is a terrible tragedy and betrayal of trust. It is more than poking bits of flesh around (is anyone enjoying these comments?).

Agreed.  Even though I am not a Xian anymore, I don't cheat on my wife...because I love her.  And I also love my son.  Most non-Xians feel the same way about adultery.  Even non-Judeo Xian based cultures frown on adultuery.  But one must ask...what if you have an 'open' marriage?  You know, those kinky couples who agree together that sex with other people is acceptable.  Is it still wrong then?  If everyone is really ok with it and noone gets hurt, is it still wrong?  Is it the rule itself that has created the sin?  Is it because we have been raised to think of adultery as a betrayal that we react so strongly against it when we hear of it.

I saw a documentary on National Geographic channel about a sexually promiscuous tribe who really don't seem to have a problem with sex outside of marriage.  They marry but they also share the love around and don't 'seem' to have a problem with it.  What I am asking is, is that immoral?  No one gets hurt and it's just a fact of life for them.  I guess I am again asking, is it the rule itself that has labelled it as immoral?  If the rule was never there then would it be wrong?  If we were raised in a culture where adultery was acceptable for both men and women, would it still be immoral?

No, I am not searching for excuses for immoral behaviour, but it is an interesting question...for someone who doesn't hold the Bible as the final authority on morality.

 

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Mr Jonah,

Very interesting thoughts.  Perhaps it cultural hey?  Maybe we make our own decisions as a couple and what we say goes.  I think most people would have a problem with the jealousy side of things, knowing their partner was getting it on with someone other than themselves.  I remember that documentary,  it was remarkable how accepted and normal the behaviour was.  Maybe it's all about conditioning.  Can you re-program yourself though, or does it need to be a conditioning from birth.  These are pretty huge emotions we're dealing with here.

 

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well what an interesting thread everyone. I can see both sides of the stories above, and think its more cultural for both societies, dont you agree? with the modern society adultery has been instilled in us,and it is probably a white aristocracy thing, whereas the humble tribal clans know of nothing else and look at this arrangement exactly at how we look at ours...

anon previously said looking and not touching etc, well i agree! there is nothing wrong with thinking people are beautiful, maybe when people act on these thorts they need to question what is happening within their lives as to why they want to stray. it takes 2 to tango and it takes 2 to make a marriage work.....

maybe there is not just one soulmate????

people what do you think? maybe some of you could share your feelings if this has happened in your life? personal i know but as a GRCer  im curious because many many years ago i had these feelings.

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Surprise, surprise.... i knew people would find a way around it.

Facts are that is says in black and white, if you lust after another woman you are an adulterer.

Adulterers cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Bible fact is it not?

My point here was that the Bible is full of laws that if applied literally, make EVERYONE a sinner and un-deserving of heaven.

Therefore if you are going to tell one group of people they are going to hell because the have 'backslid', you'd better make sure YOU never find anyone but your partner physically attractive, work on a Sunday, or violate any of the bible laws just as important as the ones that NHH brainwashes everyone with week after week.

Just think, one wet dream and you're going to hell.
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Surprise, surprise.... i knew people would find a way around it.Facts are that is says in black and white, if you lust after another woman you are an adulterer.Adulterers cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Bible fact is it not?

I'm not a Xian anymore and so I have no reason to defend the faith.  But I do think your confusing Revivalism with Xianity.  To the revivalist, it is all about measuring up, whereas Xianity seems to preach that Jesus paid for the sins of the world and mankind can do nothing to contribute to that.  So yes, according to Xianity, we are all sinners and cannot meet God's standard.  But Jesus, according to Xianity, meets all the requirements through his atonement.

This isn't a duck and weave.  As I said, I have no reason to defend the faith.  But if you're gonna have a dig at the Xians then at least understand what they believe.

Now if you want evidence against Xianity, come on down to the NOT CHRISTIAN ROOM and I'll show you what I got.

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Reply to : EmporersNewClothesSurprise, surprise.... i knew people would find a way around it.Facts are that is says in black and white, if you lust after another woman you are an adulterer.Adulterers cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Bible fact is it not?I'm not a Xian anymore and so I have no reason to defend the faith. But I do think your confusing Revivalism with Xianity. To the revivalist, it is all about measuring up, whereas Xianity seems to preach that Jesus paid for the sins of the world and mankind can do nothing to contribute to that. So yes, according to Xianity, we are all sinners and cannot meet God's standard. But Jesus, according to Xianity, meets all the requirements through his atonement.This isn't a duck and weave.&nb



I see your point and completely agree that much of what is in the bible can and SHOULD be interpreted rather than applied literally and without context.

But having had certain scriptures quoted at me by GRC folk in order to make sure I knew i was going to hell, I just thought it was interesting to note publically that there are scriptures such as these, that when interpreted literally, indicate that noone is above biblical-condemnation.
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I see your point
enc, may i ask how old you are
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