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I submit my Question to Didi firstly.I was interested to hear your comment on Bevere, having now completed 'Under Cover' I found it an interesting read. But I did take you comments as a good reflection of the care to be taken with such popular works.Today I've started reading a 2nd volume to Frank Violas book 'Rethinking the Wineskin' (have you read it/). It's title is 'Who's your covering'. From the outset he warns just as you did Authority especially with respect to such terms as 'covering' headship. It appears he holds a very different opinion to Bevere.

it is the glory of God to conceal a matter but the honour of kings to search it out.

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Hey, Frank.

How goes the blue funk?

I submit my Question to Didi firstly. I was interested to hear your comment on Bevere, having now completed 'Under Cover' I found it an interesting read. But I did take you comments as a good reflection of the care to be taken with such popular works.

Sure, but what's the question?

Today I've started reading a 2nd volume to Frank Violas book 'Rethinking the Wineskin' (have you read it/). It's title is 'Who's your covering'. From the outset he warns just as you did Authority especially with respect to such terms as 'covering' headship. It appears he holds a very different opinion to Bevere.

Most of your post above consisted of statements, the only question being had I read Viola's book, "Rethinking the Wineskin." The answer is, 'nope'. Be cautious. Frank Viola has earned something of a reputation for being somewhat 'hostile' towards what he labels 'institutional churches'. The fact that he has received no formal theological training, coupled with the reality that he was unable to find a mainstream Christian publishing house willing to bring his works into print, should induce just enough healthy scepticism to stay safe as one approaches his material.

I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, in fact, it's probably a whole lot healthier than the nonsense that's regularly preached in your own church, but be cautious just the same

Blessings,

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com

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I guess the question related to what sort of character Viola was. As you had given warning on Beveres background and style.

I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, in fact, it's probably a whole lot healthier than the nonsense that's regularly preached in your own church, but be cautious just the same

Blessings,

Ian

Oh Didi! your so aweful

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Frankie,

Oh Didi! your so aweful

Or honest

Blessings,

Ian

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Frankie,

Oh Didi! your so aweful

Or honest

Blessings,

Ian

Well many things come to mind

FG

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Sorry about the crappy stuff on Saturday.

Didi I am 1/2 way though the second volume of Viola's work ' Who's your covering' would be a bit simplistic I dare say for you, but it is a valuable read to me.

He quotes a lot of greek and mentions your mate Gordon Fee I was wondering if he;s your alias.!!!

Anyway I suppose I'm being lazy in asking you about Fee as I could head off and google him the same as Viola and get the story. (by ther way google enlightened me- It's not you.).

At any rate what is it about Fee that would recommend to me for example?

it is the glory of God to conceal a matter but the honour of kings to search it out.

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'morning, Frank.

Sorry about the crappy stuff on Saturday.

Don't 'sweat it', that sort of stuff is water off a duck's back to me

Didi I am 1/2 way though the second volume of Viola's work ' Who's your covering' would be a bit simplistic I dare say for you, but it is a valuable read to me.

Sure.

He quotes a lot of greek and mentions your mate Gordon Fee I was wondering if he;s your alias.!!!

Lots of people 'quote' Greek, Frankie, including your RF pastor mates! Chucking down the odd Greek word on paper is no indication that a person has even the vaguest clue about the language and what it means. You should already appreciate this fact. But as for my alter ego being Dr Gordon Fee, 'nope'.

Anyway I suppose I'm being lazy in asking you about Fee as I could head off and google him the same as Viola and get the story. (by ther way google enlightened me- It's not you.).

There you go!

At any rate what is it about Fee that would recommend to me for example?

Several things. For starters, he's about as Pentecostal as a person can get. More importantly, however, he is in the front rank of world-class biblical scholars; one of the few who operates at the very highest levels of NT Greek textual criticism and exegesis. Further, he writes with practical aims and purposes in mind: he's a scholar whose commitment and focus is towards the Church rather than simply the academy. His monographs, commentaries and journal articles are academically rigorous, and pastorally profound. Further, I've been a student (and remain a friend) of one of his doctoral students. So in a way, he's something of my academic Grandpa!

Blessings,

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com

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He quotes a lot of greek and mentions your mate Gordon Fee I was wondering if he;s your alias.!!!

My Gammer has a lot to be desired!

The above comment related to the likeness of Violas style of writing to your own. I was commenting on if he might be your alias not Fee.

Anyway thanks for the reponse.

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franks ghost
Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6310 Posts：302 From：Unknown Register：04/02/2007 9:55 AM	Date Posted：04/10/2007 11:53 AMCopy HTML I submit my Question to Didi firstly.I was interested to hear your comment on Bevere, having now completed 'Under Cover' I found it an interesting read. But I did take you comments as a good reflection of the care to be taken with such popular works.Today I've started reading a 2nd volume to Frank Violas book 'Rethinking the Wineskin' (have you read it/). It's title is 'Who's your covering'. From the outset he warns just as you did Authority especially with respect to such terms as 'covering' headship. It appears he holds a very different opinion to Bevere. it is the glory of God to conceal a matter but the honour of kings to search it out.
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Rank：Noobmeister Score：421 Posts：13 From：Australia Register：29/08/2007 7:54 AM	Re：Bevere & Viola (authors) Date Posted：04/10/2007 12:31 PMCopy HTML Reply to : franks ghost Hey, Frank. How goes the blue funk? I submit my Question to Didi firstly. I was interested to hear your comment on Bevere, having now completed 'Under Cover' I found it an interesting read. But I did take you comments as a good reflection of the care to be taken with such popular works. Sure, but what's the question? Today I've started reading a 2nd volume to Frank Violas book 'Rethinking the Wineskin' (have you read it/). It's title is 'Who's your covering'. From the outset he warns just as you did Authority especially with respect to such terms as 'covering' headship. It appears he holds a very different opinion to Bevere. Most of your post above consisted of statements, the only question being had I read Viola's book, "Rethinking the Wineskin." The answer is, 'nope'. Be cautious. Frank Viola has earned something of a reputation for being somewhat 'hostile' towards what he labels 'institutional churches'. The fact that he has received no formal theological training, coupled with the reality that he was unable to find a mainstream Christian publishing house willing to bring his works into print, should induce just enough healthy scepticism to stay safe as one approaches his material. I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, in fact, it's probably a whole lot healthier than the nonsense that's regularly preached in your own church, but be cautious just the same Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6310 Posts：302 From：Unknown Register：04/02/2007 9:55 AM	Re：Bevere & Viola (authors) Date Posted：04/10/2007 12:50 PMCopy HTML Reply to : Didaktikon I guess the question related to what sort of character Viola was. As you had given warning on Beveres background and style. I'm not saying it's necessarily bad, in fact, it's probably a whole lot healthier than the nonsense that's regularly preached in your own church, but be cautious just the same Blessings, Ian Oh Didi! your so aweful it is the glory of God to conceal a matter but the honour of kings to search it out.
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Rank：Noobmeister Score：421 Posts：13 From：Australia Register：29/08/2007 7:54 AM	Re：Bevere & Viola (authors) Date Posted：04/10/2007 12:56 PMCopy HTML Reply to : franks ghost Frankie, Oh Didi! your so aweful Or honest Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6310 Posts：302 From：Unknown Register：04/02/2007 9:55 AM	Re：Bevere & Viola (authors) Date Posted：04/10/2007 3:02 PMCopy HTML Reply to : Didaktikon Frankie, Oh Didi! your so aweful Or honest Blessings, Ian Well many things come to mind FG it is the glory of God to conceal a matter but the honour of kings to search it out.
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6310 Posts：302 From：Unknown Register：04/02/2007 9:55 AM	Re：Bevere & Viola (authors) Date Posted：07/10/2007 9:20 AMCopy HTML Reply to : Didaktikon Sorry about the crappy stuff on Saturday. Didi I am 1/2 way though the second volume of Viola's work ' Who's your covering' would be a bit simplistic I dare say for you, but it is a valuable read to me. He quotes a lot of greek and mentions your mate Gordon Fee I was wondering if he;s your alias.!!! Anyway I suppose I'm being lazy in asking you about Fee as I could head off and google him the same as Viola and get the story. (by ther way google enlightened me- It's not you.). At any rate what is it about Fee that would recommend to me for example? it is the glory of God to conceal a matter but the honour of kings to search it out.
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Rank：Noobmeister Score：421 Posts：13 From：Australia Register：29/08/2007 7:54 AM	Re：Bevere & Viola (authors) Date Posted：07/10/2007 9:48 AMCopy HTML Reply to : franks ghost 'morning, Frank. Sorry about the crappy stuff on Saturday. Don't 'sweat it', that sort of stuff is water off a duck's back to me Didi I am 1/2 way though the second volume of Viola's work ' Who's your covering' would be a bit simplistic I dare say for you, but it is a valuable read to me. Sure. He quotes a lot of greek and mentions your mate Gordon Fee I was wondering if he;s your alias.!!! Lots of people 'quote' Greek, Frankie, including your RF pastor mates! Chucking down the odd Greek word on paper is no indication that a person has even the vaguest clue about the language and what it means. You should already appreciate this fact. But as for my alter ego being Dr Gordon Fee, 'nope'. Anyway I suppose I'm being lazy in asking you about Fee as I could head off and google him the same as Viola and get the story. (by ther way google enlightened me- It's not you.). There you go! At any rate what is it about Fee that would recommend to me for example? Several things. For starters, he's about as Pentecostal as a person can get. More importantly, however, he is in the front rank of world-class biblical scholars; one of the few who operates at the very highest levels of NT Greek textual criticism and exegesis. Further, he writes with practical aims and purposes in mind: he's a scholar whose commitment and focus is towards the Church rather than simply the academy. His monographs, commentaries and journal articles are academically rigorous, and pastorally profound. Further, I've been a student (and remain a friend) of one of his doctoral students. So in a way, he's something of my academic Grandpa! Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Rank：Poster Venti I Score：6310 Posts：302 From：Unknown Register：04/02/2007 9:55 AM	Re：Bevere & Viola (authors) Date Posted：07/10/2007 10:19 AMCopy HTML Reply to : Didaktikon He quotes a lot of greek and mentions your mate Gordon Fee I was wondering if he;s your alias.!!! My Gammer has a lot to be desired! The above comment related to the likeness of Violas style of writing to your own. I was commenting on if he might be your alias not Fee. Anyway thanks for the reponse. it is the glory of God to conceal a matter but the honour of kings to search it out.