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'morning, all. For those who might be interested, enclosed below is a list of basic Bible study aids that would help the average Christian to get a better 'grip' on the content (and contexts) of Scripture. All the works that I list have been designed for peoplewithouttraining in biblical or theological studies; consequently, they are very easy to digest and 'nourishing'

1. BiblesEnglish Standard Version (ESV), Reformation Study Bible. This is the one that I personally use at church. The ESV is a very good English translation, whilst the 'study helps' this edition provides are generally quite useful. The Reformation Study Bible is, in my opinion, a better choice than the popular NIV Study Bible.New Living Translation. The NLT is, perhaps, the 'best' general reading Bible currently available. Although it's quite interpretative, it does a very good job of illuminating often dark passages.

2. AidsNew Bible Dictionary, published by IVP. A good, basic Bible dictionary that provides quite a bit of contextual help.Eerdmans Bible Dictionary. In my opinion abetterchoice than the NBD above, although perhaps not quite as conservative in its judgments.New Bible AtlasorCandle Atlas of the Bible. Both are serviceable.NIV Exhaustive Concordance. Ideally a concordance should be matched to the Bible version one uses. Currently there isn't an exhaustive concordance available for the ESV, hence my recommendation of one keyed to the NIV.Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words. Scrap Vine's and use this one instead if you feel youmustattempt original language word studies.Know the Truthby B. Milne. A fairly comprehensive overview of Protestant systematic theology.Introduction to Biblical Interpretationby Klein,et al. A comprehensive guide to exegesis and theological hermeneutics.

3. CommentariesNew International Biblical Commentary series, OT and NT. The OT series is much better than the NT, but both are serviceable. In the NT series Matthew, Mark, Luke, Hebrews, Philippians and 1-2 Timothy and Titus are the 'stand-out' volumes.IVP New Testament Commentaries, especially Matthew, Luke, Acts, Romans, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1-2 Thessalonians, 1-2 Timothy and Titus, and 1 Peter.Tyndale Old Testament and New Testament Commentaries. Both series are very good. Anyway, that should be enough for now. Blessings, Ian
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I once had a Yesterday, Tomorrow and the Great Beyond but it disappeared somewhere many years ago...   But I still have a "Tracing Our White Ancestors (White Roots)" by Frederick Haberman which hasn't yet found the waste paper bin.. 

Actually without being hasty, I wonder if Didaktikon would like it ?? - it might be a helpful resource towards his THD ??

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Hi, Eric.

Thanks for the offer, but I have no need of the book. 11 years ago I spent about $450 buying one of every "resource" in the BWIF bookstore. I also have, or have access to, one of every publication produced by the RCI/RF since their inceptions. More than enough primary materials for my purposes

Blessings,

Ian

P.S. Ta for the email re: Osteen's wife. Can't say I was surprised, though!

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Does anyone remember that book that went around, the Protocols of Zion.

I read it once and it made me feel sick.  Then I loaned to someone in the Geelong assembly and never saw it again ( thankfully).

Then there was that other ridiculous book by Frank Nankerville - Jacob V Esau - now that was brilliant wasn't it?

Such hatred for Jews!  Such honour the Anglo's being something special! ( Instead of being the murderous raiding savages that they are and always have been)!

I hope none of you still beleive any of that crap - I mean subterfuge!

What other books can we add to the virtual bonfire?

I checked out the bible studies page - whoah - you've gotta be blind Freddy not to see through the anti-intellectual bias.
The following quotes came from the left banner of the bible study index page - how very very sad.....:(

"Studying the Bible as an academic exercise may be intellectually stimulating but, as the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day demonstrate, may not help us in seeing what is important."
            How Crass!  Be sure you revivalists - TURN YOUR BRAIN AND INTELLECT OFF PLEASE! 

"That said, a single verse or short passage often gets across a profound point in a succinct manner - and is therefore good to quote or remember in particular situations."
           ESPECIALLY WHEN IN NEED OF QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT.

"The Bible interprets itself."    -  THEREFORE REVIVALISTS NEED TO DISREGARD EVERY OTHER VIEW OTHER THAN THEIR OWN MISGUIDED ONE.

"There are also many new teachings that have sprung up since the Bible was written, and some churches undertake practices that are unknown to the Bible revelation".  RCI ARE ONE OF THEM!

"Recognise that God has set in the church those who will at various times expound and teach from the Bible."  AT ALL OTHER TIMES IT WILL BE RCI PASTORS PREACHING...

On Theology

The detailed study of the things of God is known generically as "theology". We have tended to move away from such a term...."  TOO RIGHT THEY HAVE!

"...not because it is intrinsically incorrect,..."  NO, NO, NO, NOT AL ALL....

"but because there are differing views of what theology entails, and different types of theologians. "  OK, GEE, HOW COULD WE HAVE MISSED THAT!  LET'S MOVE AWAY FROM THEOLOGY BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT THEOLOGIANS?  ONLY A REVIVALIST WOULD SWALLOW THAT ONE UP HOOK, LINE AND SINKER!

"While some have endeavoured to maintain a Bible-based approach, others have placed an equal emphasis on the church tradition that has evolved in the last 19 centuries since the New Testament was written. Unfortunately, this tradition can be a replacement of, and even contrary to, simple Bible truths.
         OH REALLY?  IS THIS THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK? 

"An overly academic approach, with little emphasis on the enlivening and enlightening role of the Holy Spirit can lead to dry formalism."  AGAIN - REVIVALISTS BE SURE TO TURN THAT INTELLECT OFF - YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN WARNED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.  BE SURE ONLY TO EVER BE LEAD BY YOUR EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCE, DON'T EVER THINK..........EVER.

My, my what a little perspective can do!

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Hi, Paul.

The quotes that you've provided from the RCI website were all from the pen of Pastor Geoff Beggs. And further, they were all written by him in response to criticisms leveled at his church by me Consequently, they are intentionally reactive; they certainly aren't proactive statements of RCI belief.

Blessings,

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Hi Mr K

Apologies in advance for the length of this post. I wanted to get some stuff off my chest :-)

IMO, unfortunately 'anti-intellectualism' isn't restricted to Revers, as flagged by Morgan's Kingdom Triangle - recomended by Ian in another thread (though Morgan puts it differently).

In my own experience, I wonder whether 'anti-intellectualism' in non-RF circles contributed to me staying in RCI/RF ... even though I accept full responsibility for my choices.

I visited a particular orthodox church a few weeks after my 'speaking in tongues experience' and the pastor there questioned my beliefs (good), and he suggested that I ask God for guidance about what the bible says (good) but didn't work through any of the scriptures - or suggest resources I could use (not good). Now it may have been that he perceived that I wouldn't listen, and I certainly could have searched stuff for myself ('though in the 70s the 'net was not the WWW we know today). Yet when I *did indeed* go through that process what I listened to was my ignorant interpretation of scripture combined with the 'feeling' that I was in a place of blessing from God. I remember clearly a 'crisis' 6 months after my tongues experience when I got fair dinkum about the process and resolved with myself that I would go wherever God wanted, even if it meant making a break with my friends and mentors, just as I had when I moved from the church I'd grown up in to RCI (then called RCA?). I've been through similar 'crises', with the same result periodically since then. But ... listening to my ignorant interpretation of scripture combined with the 'feeling' that I was in a place of blessing from God left me you-know-where.

Now, even when I *was* challenged with relevant scriptural information back in 2000 (Ian/Drew and PleaseConsider.info) I chose not to engage as I *knew* I was correct and I didn't want to waste time in a debate that I didn't believe would change anyone's opinion. Yet considering some of the resources on that website on and off (well, more off than on) led me to the position in April 2007 where there was one slim thread of justification I could find in the bible for the RCI/RF notion that speaking in tongues always accompanied receiving the Spirit. Then, thanks to the efforts of God through Ian, I found my concept of 'praying in the s/Spirit' demolished and therefore my acceptance of the RCI/RF understanding of tongues had to go ... and the next 8 months consisted (again on and off) of clearing away the debris of belief in a 'baptism of the Spirit evidenced by tongues'. (Yet other rubble remains ...)

All through these last 30-odd years I have maintained the belief that the bible was my rule of faith, yet *very* few of the many Christians with whom I debated presented anything resembling a challenge from the scriptures. Sure, I had rationalisations for many of the challenges, in particular 1 Co 12, yet the challenges were generally ones I found myself. I remember even convincing a person who had been taught that only the Twelve had spoken in tongues on the day of Pentecost, that it was really the whole 120-or-so by little more than asserting it with conviction! Meanwhile, I continued arguing that God would 'prove Himself when He meets you and you find that you speak in tongues just like they did on the day of Pentecost', despite what the bible said about fire, wind sounds and intelligibility of the languages!

So ... a sound presentation of the bible could conceivably have led to a shorter stay for me in Revivalism, and at least would have left me without one excuse.

So ... a rational defense of rational Christianity, is needed as much today as it was in the 1st and 2nd centuries, to deal with errant (and pseudo- such as some Rever) Christians as well as non-Christians. Sure, for example, there's an awful lot of we Christians who aren't able to construct arguments using propositional logic the way Ian can, but some of us can learn to, and others can and should be introduced to the reasoning more intuitively through material such as that of C S Lewis. A responsible approach to understanding and interpreting the bible, must - I believe - be encouraged and *taught* as *fundamental* to "devoting ourselves to the apostles' teaching". What a counter against "Revivalism" these are!!!

I suspect that given Australia's general approach to truth, Christianity here will need to have the guts to be more counter-cultural than it would have been in the '70's to do so. I gather that some are rising to the challenge. Christianity *can* use the intellect (as indeed the bible does) to point to God. It suits those in power for Christians to engage them on the basis of feelings (what *they* call faith) rather than intellect (which the bible seems to indicate as undepinning faith). Eg what type of Christianity gets the most publicity? God can use us to take "the world's" supposed strength - the intellect - and direct it rather to His purposes. From what I read, He's done it before.

DISCLAIMER None of this is to suggest that I believe that intellect alone will bring one to Christianity. I believe humility remains essential, and that a supernatural encounter with the risen Christ (eg Jn 3) underlies confessing and believing in Him.

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Hi Talmid

'Kingdom Triangle: Recover the Christian Mind, Renovate the Soul, Restore the Spirit's Power' (to give it it's full title)  was written by J P Moreland - not Morgan. I have ordered it and have also ordered two more of his books, 'The God Conversation' and 'Sealing the Secular City', after reading some of his articles and a little about him.

He had this to say in his notes relating to a journal article he'd written; ' For more on the gospel of the kingdom of God and its relationship to worldview thinking, inner transformation and spiritual formation, and the supernatural power of the spirit manifest in signs and wonders, see my book, 'Kingdom Triangle' (Zondervan 2007)

Have enjoyed reading about your on-going journey Talmid!

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Talmid, chaire.

'Yep', more informed, biblically and theologically-literate Christians are certainly what's needed nowadays. Consider, when Jude mentioned "THE faith that was once and for all time delivered to the saints...", he was speaking of propositional truth. Solid substance. Structured belief. When the early church leaders confronted heresy that threatened the very core of Christian truth, it was informed, intelligent and decisive theology that was employed to refute, rebut and correct those in error. Nothing else sufficed!
But, sadly, much of western Christianity today is little more than "happy, clappy" crappy A good many people seem completely content with having their ears "tickled" and their wallets "lightened"; but apparently have no interest whatsoever in worshipping their God with their minds. I mean, visit your average Christian book store and take a good look around. Heaps and heaps of "Jesus junk", "What Would Jesus Eat" garbage (the pun is intentional), and American consumerist-"Christianity" nonsense. But how much solid "food" is to be found on the shelves? One can wade through piles and piles of Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer and Cindy whats-her-name in the hope of finding a single, solid exposition on a biblical book!  What is wrong with this picture?

So, until the average Christian understands WHAT s/he believes, and WHY s/he believes it, pseudo-Christianity, consumerist Christianity, and cultic-Christianity will continue to flourish. And, until the average Christian knows enough to responsibly "defend" his/her faith, then he/she will continue to respond inappropriately to the challenges thrown up by equally ignorant people.

I would that more people would "...study to show themselves approved..."

Blessings,

Ian

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 Urch

Thanks for the correction. J P Moreland, absolutely ... I must have a memory that's a little "aural", and I wrote my piece at lunchtime at work, with the book at home, without checking the other thread (tsk tsk). I managed to get a copy during a 20% off sale not long after Ian recommended it.I imagine you'll love and be challenged by it.

I'll be interested in how you find the other books. So many references ... so much to learn ... so much else that's important ... :-)

I also found Chuck Colsons's "Faith: what Christians believe, why they believe it, and why it's important" a complementary read.

Brolga

Gotta agree with you there. I finally got a copy of that book by Fee and Stuart a few months ago. It sure makes the bible a more sensible read.
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Ian: 
1) I take on board your comments; "So, until the average Christian understands WHAT s/he believes, and WHY s/he believes it, pseudo-Christianity, consumerist Christianity, and cultic-Christianity will continue to flourish. And, until the average Christian knows enough to responsibly "defend" his/her faith, then he/she will continue to respond inappropriately to the challenges thrown up by equally ignorant people."
2) Luckily I ordered "Scaling the Secular City' and NOT 'sealing' it! Must have been a typo.

Talmid:
1) Will have a look at Chuck Colson's book if you're recommending it (not sure when I'll find the time but if I stop reading Cindy whats-her-face, I might have more time. LOL
2) I'll happily let you know what I think of the other Moreland books after I finish them

Brolga:
Had planned on visiting Koorong today to get Gordon Fee book that you suggested but couldn't get there.


So much reading to do and so little time (sigh) - an urchin's work is never done!
I have three large shelves of books I've bought since leaving rf 18 mths ago and have read most of them. But, to be honest, I feel I don't spend enough time in the Bible - sure I read it every day and/or night, but maybe I need to read AND understand it better? Oh well, I'm a WIP as are we all!
 
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Good evening, Ralph.

How to Read the Bible for All its Worth; by Gordon D. Fee, Douglas Stuart. a 'must get' for starters.

Indeed. Most church small groups I know of that get involved in teaching their people a little about hermeneutics use this book to provide a basic overview of the issues involved. And, as you know, so too does Tyndale College. Fee and Stuart's handy little volume has been through more reprints than I can count, which is a good sign of its  continued utility.

This is a book I've recommended quite a while ago on this forum, as it should be mandatory reading for all thinking Christians. So turn off the Hill$ong CD, put down Bobbie Houston's, "I'll Have What She's Having" (better still, toss it in the bin!), run down to your local Koorong store and buy a copy!

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Thanks Ian,
Once having learned the meaning of some of the "big" words (folks are dumb where I.....), the book has made played a big part in my approach to an understanding of scripture.

Urch,
It is not about how much reading we do, but getting the correct understanding from such. As I go through the various topics, I follow up from the Bible the scriptures that are quoted. I think the feeling of "not reading the Bible enough" is a result of Revivalist "works" we inherited. 

Ralph.
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Good morning, Ralph.

Well, it's not just about the act of reading, mind. Much has to do with the general quality of one's reading material. For example having, say, three shelves of books counts for very little, if the tenor of said books is crap! Better to have just one or two of a truly superior nature. The fact is that most people will ordinarily choose religious books based on their ecclesial environment and background. Consequently, Hill$ong-type "folk" (the "happy clappy Pente chappies") will read the likes of T.D. Jakes, Joyce Meyers, the Houstons and other "bottom-shelf" penny-dreadful authors. But those who are more biblically and theologically literate will tend to lean towards works that have less in the way of "fluff" and more in the way of serious "stuff". It's people of this sort who will balance out the usual "perceived-needs/self-help" material, with "real-needs/content-oriented" volumes.

Now I'm not suggesting that every serious Christian needs a personal library approaching 1,000 volumes of a very serious nature! But how many Christians don't have even one solid, single volume commentary? Or an introductory-level basic systematic theology like Milne? Or a primer on hermeneutics such as that penned by Fee and Stuart? I might suggest that one can dance around the lounge room, eyes closed and arms flailing wildly in the air listening to Darlene Z's latest "awesome" CD, but if one can't make basic sense of the book of Leviticus, for example, then what's the point, eh?

Blessings,

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OK Ian, so when did you come and look at my bookshelf??  

Do you have a spy camera? I read 'I'll Have What She's Having' only recently. LOL!

You know something though, someone said to me last week, 'I like what you've got and I want it too' - they had no belief in God or knowledge of Jesus at all before they got to know me. Should I tell them to go away then cos I 'haven't got it right' or should I say 'come back later when I have more knowledge' or 'I cant help you find God cos I don't know Him myself" (according to Ian anyway) ?   

Hmmm.... I guess I need to stop talking about God to unchurched people I work and/or 'do life' with then. What a shame, cos people keep asking me. But I bow to your experience/advice in such matters.

You are quite correct (as usual) I DO have many of the very books you mentioned, BUT I also have a burning desire to know more and to grow more. And, again, you're quite right - it's not about the 'fluff' it's about the substance.

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Urch,

OK Ian, so when did you come and look at my bookshelf??  Do you have a spy camera? I read 'I'll Have What She's Having' only recently. LOL!

No spy camera is necessary; I guess I can 'see' what you read in the substance of your various postings and musings around this place


You know something though, someone said to me last week, 'I like what you've got and I want it too' - they had no belief in God or knowledge of Jesus at all before they got to know me. Should I tell them to go away then cos I 'haven't got it right' or should I say 'come back later when I have more knowledge' or 'I cant help you find God cos I don't know Him myself" (according to Ian anyway)?

Really? And just when, pray tell, did I ever say that you don't know God? Eh? 

Hmmm.... I guess I need to stop talking about God to unchurched people I work and/or 'do life' with then. What a shame, cos people keep asking me. But I bow to your experience/advice in such matters.

Again, really? And just when, pray tell, have I ever told you not to talk about God to people? Eh?

You are quite correct (as usual) I DO have many of the very books you mentioned, BUT I also have a burning desire to know more and to grow more. And, again, you're quite right - it's not about the 'fluff' it's about the substance.

Yes. It is. Now it might be best that you go back and re-read what I actually had to say in my post, above. And while you're there, reflect on the ramifications of the same in your own spiritual life.

Blessings,

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All,

Given that we've been addressing "crappy" books of late, I thought the current discussion would be a perfect opportunity for me to provide a basic list of good reference books that I consider to be essential for the average Christian. Now the books that I suggest, below, certainly aren't the very best on offer. However, they are good, they are inexpensive, and they will provide the sorts of information that the average believer will need to consider as part of his or her study of Scripture. To whit I recommend:

The Reformation Study Bible (English Standard Version).
The NIV Study Bible (Zondervan, latest edition).
The New Living Translation, revised edition.
The Strongest Strong's NIV Concordance (Zondervan).
The Eerdman's Dictionary of the Bible, or The New Bible Dictionary (IVP, latest edition).
The IVP Dictionary of the New Testament.
The Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary (2 Volumes. The first addresses the OT, the second covers the NT).
Mounce's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (Zondervan. A far better alternative to Vine's Expository Dictionary).
Bimson's, The New Bible Atlas (IVP).
Shelley's, Church History in Plain Language (2nd ed., Word).
Fee and Stuart's, How to Read the Bible for All It's Worth (Zondervan).
Fee and Strauss', How to Choose a Translation for All It's Worth (Zondervan).
Milne's, Know the Truth (IVP); or Erickson's, Introducing Christian Doctrine (2nd ed., Baker Books); or Grudem's, Bible Doctrine (Zondervan).
The New Dictionary of Biblical Theology (IVP), or The Theological Dictionary of the Bible (Baker Books).
Evangelical Dictionary of Theology (2nd. ed., Baker Books).

The above volumes enable the believer to move directly from a Scripture passage, through background information providing the necessary range of contexts that inform us about the passage (historical, cultural, linguistic, geographical, and theological), to adequate commentary that exposits the meaning (and sometimes the significance) of the biblical text itself. The total cost of all of the above would probably be in the vicinity of $700.00; which must be considered to be a very cheap investment in one's education! I use many of these works myself, and I have taught from all of them in both church and tertiary settings. They certainly do the job.

Blessings,

Ian

 
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 Ian,

Getting a P&A on the list from the bookshop.  I will suggest to the bookshop to put together a "pack" if other would like it as well.

Talmid,

It's a good thing that Jesus knows how to keep His saved ones saved!  It is hard not to regret the time that was lost in RCI that could have been used more wisely, but I figure that God is using RCI as well.  I know that when I first really earnestly asked God to show himself to me, 3 days later I was witnessed to by an RCI person!  I figure that I needed the milk of RCI at the time, but now God has purposed to continue the journey elsewhere.  I am really thankful for the things that I have learned, both good and bad experiences.  It has shaped the way for how I live His life in future.  No regrets, just give thanks.

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Good afternoon, Paul.

Hmmm ... the "Baker's Dozen" book list for former Revivalists, huh? But it's your second point that really piqued my interest. I'm not too sure that, (a) I'd be giving God the credit for ending up in a non-Christian group such as the RCI; and (b) what the Revivalists distribute ain't the "milk" of the Word. "Poison", yes, nourishing "milk", nuh-uh!

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Hi Mr K

Thanks for the thoughts. There's some interesting theologising to work through regarding God's plan and my time in RCI/RF, but I *do* believe He's not allowed me to be tested beyond what I can handle. I'm not wallowing in self-pity, but I am going through what I consider to be reasonable grieving over apparent losses due to the impact of the choices I made.

From my perspective my time in RCI/RF is/was a better choice than many I could have made, such as choosing to become a heroin addict, and I do believe I learned snippets of God's Word and a little about Jesus because of my time there, and I do believe I have been 'blessed' by God whilst there. (I suspect many have learned much despite their time there.) I would further say that I know many people there who confess Christ (not tongues or 'the Holy Spirit') as Lord and saviour. Unfortunately though, RF doctrine as such doesn't seem to lead to Godly behaviour e.g. when one considers the actions of those in key positions, such as the Pastors Council. The 'salvation message' remains, sadly, another gospel. As I said, many, I believe, do bend the knee to Christ, but that seems to only rarely be given much emphasis in teaching. The word 'grace' is used, but the actions often say 'legalism'

Anyway, I'd best be off ...

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Hi Urch

I found Colson's book a good read, and particularly interesting given his experience at the White House and then in his Prison Ministries work - but I'm not as widely read as Ian. I'd focus on those books by Moreland, and look at Colson's book as a "lighter read" if you felt like a break. I reckon it would also be good for those who are wondering whether there's much point learning about doctrine, those asking themselves whether there's value in adding 'meat' to their diet.
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Good morning, Ralph.

Mmm, now there's a bit of food for thought. Calls to mind that I cried out to God at the time, for Him to reveal what He wanted from me and to show me which way to go. It was the next day that I was witnessed to by a member of Geelong Revival Centres. Never heard of them before that.

No doubt. But I've heard exactly the same sorts of comments from members of the Jehovah's Witnesses and Latter Day Saints! So I'm thinking that God must have a real sense of humour, eh?

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Good morning, Talmid.

Thanks for the thoughts. There's some interesting theologising to work through regarding God's plan and my time in RCI/RF, but I *do* believe He's not allowed me to be tested beyond what I can handle.

Yes, it's interesting indeed. For example, the theological conundrum of whether God was responsible for leading you into spiritual error and/or heresy to begin with!

From my perspective my time in RCI/RF is/was a better choice than many I could have made, such as choosing to become a heroin addict, and I do believe I learned snippets of God's Word and a little about Jesus because of my time there, and I do believe I have been 'blessed' by God whilst there. (I suspect many have learned much despite their time there.)

And it is here that I would largely differ from you. The Revivalist churches, I believe, actually inoculate people against the Word of God. Further, the Jesus that is presented by Revivalism isn't the Jesus that we see presented in Scripture. The Revivalist version is little more than a shade, an abstract figure; he isn't the Lord and Saviour who demands the sort of obedience of which Scripture teaches.

I would further say that I know many people there who confess Christ (not tongues or 'the Holy Spirit') as Lord and saviour.

Certainly, but there are also Christians in all sorts of non-Christian churches: JW's, LDS, Christadelphians, etc. The fact of individual Christian conversion among some within such groups isn't what's in doubt; however, the fact of the groups themselves "being" Christian (in an ontological sense) is. And, of course, Christianity (we must remember) is a corporate faith; it isn't a strictly individual belief system or practice. I lament the fact that the corporate nature of our faith is often underemphasised, but it is vitally important to grasp given that Christ himself chose to be represented via the corporate medium of the Church local and visible (never mind universal and invisible).

Unfortunately though, RF doctrine as such doesn't seem to lead to Godly behaviour e.g. when one considers the actions of those in key positions, such as the Pastors Council. The 'salvation message' remains, sadly, another gospel.

True, and this reality alone would place the various Revival groups outside the pale of what it is to "be" (again, ontologically) a Christian church. According to Paul, Revivalism (and those who preach it) is to be vigorously condemned; we are nowhere called upon to make an "apology" for groups that lead people astray. Just a thought.

As I said, many, I believe, do bend the knee to Christ, but that seems to only rarely be given much emphasis in teaching. The word 'grace' is used, but the actions often say 'legalism'.

Well, might I leave you with the following reflection? If such truly do "bend the knee to Christ", then why is it that they don't do what he commands?

Blessings,

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Date Posted:18/08/2008 11:57 PMCopy HTML

 Hello Ian,

But it's your second point that really piqued my interest. I'm not too sure that, (a) I'd be giving God the credit for ending up in a non-Christian group such as the RCI;

             Isn't calling RCI a non-christian group just as bad as them calling non-tongue speakers non-christians?  And wouldn't that affect the recognition of their baptism? ( I was welcomed into the Anglican Church by the bishop last week and they recognized RCI baptism).   I say this because when I was in a really bad way, stuck on drugs and alcohol, sitting in the Brunswick Spritualist Church in the middle of a meditation circle ( seance), I realized I might just be on the wrong tram, this is when I cried out for the God that I didn't yet know.
The results of that crying out were the usual revival characteristics of clean life, baptised in water for the remission of sins, and a very real and life changing descision to live for Christ.  Now that is supposed to be the work of a non-christian organisation?  I personally at this point still like to give thanks for that.  As for the doctrine and the other crap - well you have a point there, but I personally recognise that RCI assisted me in becoming a real christian right there and then when I made the descision to follow Christ.  So I personally give RCI credit for being a Christian group, albeit not a very good one.  

 and (b) what the Revivalists distribute ain't the "milk" of the Word. "Poison", yes, nourishing "milk", nuh-uh!

           Again it wasn't the best  - I know this now after coming out of there and receiving that which is far better, but, I wouldn't go so far as to say it was poison.  The rudimentary basics are there, and preached, just not practiced.  Now that is certainly sour milk indeed! 

In the end I cannot have a clear conscience and say that everything from the RCI was the worst thing that could have happened.  I wish I had become a Christian elsewhere, but who was sent to me when I really needed God?  RCI.  Strange paradox.  Now it was either Satan, God or just plain circumstance that my entry into Christianity was via RCI.  I owe at least that much don't I?


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Good morning, Mister 'K'.

Isn't calling RCI a non-christian group just as bad as them calling non-tongue speakers non-christians?

Not really. A Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. A Christian Church similarly follows the teachings of Jesus Christ but corporately. It is a fellowship constituted and empowered by God's Spirit so as to function as his witness "geographically". Now if such a person, or group, doesn't follow the teachings of Jesus; substituting what he had to say about salvation, about grace and about the irrupting Kingdom of God for the idiosyncratic teachings of a man, then precisely how could such a person (or group) be construed of as being properly "Christian"? There remains, after all, a core set of propositional beliefs, acceptance of which ensures that a group is Christian (these are encapsulated by the Latin phrase: quod semper, quod ubique, et quod ab omnibus; which means, "...what has been held everywhere, at all times, by everyone"). Revivalists then, are not Christian in the corporate sense of the word; correctly speaking they are Longfieldians
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And wouldn't that affect the recognition of their baptism?

In Christian Churches baptism is subsequent to "saving" belief, and is consequent upon it; it does not precede it. In Revivalist circles, by contrast, "baptism" very frequently takes place prior to saving belief, and is in no way consequent upon it. This being so, is Revivalist baptism even Christian?

(I was welcomed into the Anglican Church by the bishop last week and they recognized RCI baptism).

And this fact raises the following question: were you a Christian prior to being baptised within the RCI, or were you actually "baptised" in the hope (or "process") of becoming a Christian?

I say this because when I was in a really bad way, stuck on drugs and alcohol, sitting in the Brunswick Spritualist Church in the middle of a meditation circle (seance), I realized I might just be on the wrong tram, this is when I cried out for the God that I didn't yet know. The results of that crying out were the usual revival characteristics of clean life, baptised in water for the remission of sins, and a very real and life changing descision to live for Christ.

Indeed.

Now that is supposed to be the work of a non-christian organisation?

Do "good works" qualify an organisation to the use of the title, "Christian"? Or is fidelity to the teachings of Christ that which remains the sole qualification? I'll again use the example of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons). This is a group which does considerable good for people in the developing world. But are they Christian? Do they teach what Jesus Christ taught? And what of the Unitarian Universalist Church? They too do considerable good work in the US, but are they Christian given that teach that all religions lead to God, and other similar doctrines?

I personally at this point still like to give thanks for that.  As for the doctrine and the other crap - well you have a point there, but I personally recognise that RCI assisted me in becoming a real christian right there and then when I made the descision to follow Christ. So I personally give RCI credit for being a Christian group, albeit not a very good one.

Sure, but is your current level of understanding developed sufficiently to comprehend the theological issues that impinge upon the current subject? Reflect: the apostle Paul, in his letter to the Galatians, referred to those who preached a message contrary to the gospel that he preached, to be well outside the pale of the Christian Church. He quite plainly stated that they were eternally damned as a consequence, in point of fact.

...and (b) what the Revivalists distribute ain't the "milk" of the Word. "Poison", yes, nourishing "milk", nuh-uh!

Again it wasn't the best  - I know this now after coming out of there and receiving that which is far better, but, I wouldn't go so far as to say it was poison.  The rudimentary basics are there, and preached, just not practiced.  Now that is certainly sour milk indeed!

The "rudimentary basics", huh? Like: "saved by God's grace alone, through faith in Jesus Christ alone, as revealed by Scripture alone, and without personal striving or justification through works"? Or did you really mean, "...you must be baptised by full immersion in water and speak in tongues to be saved"?

In the end I cannot have a clear conscience and say that everything from the RCI was the worst thing that could have happened.

And who was saying that it was? All I suggested was that the various Revivalist groups aren't Christian churches that preach, practice and follow the Christian gospel. They aren't, and they don't smiley12

I wish I had become a Christian elsewhere, but who was sent to me when I really needed God?  RCI.  Strange paradox. Now it was either Satan, God or just plain circumstance that my entry into Christianity was via RCI.

And who is to say that it wasn't any of the above?

Blessings,

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For example, the theological conundrum of whether God was responsible for leading you into spiritual error and/or heresy to begin with!

This seems to be a an aspect of 'the problem of evil'. The theodicy you offered in another thread with God being  responsible for the possibility of evil, but me being responsible for the actuality of it sits well with me. I've intuitively accepted it since reading a little of CS Lewis some years back. Despite my Arminian slant, I'm not sure that I've ever believed that my free choice to be a mere instrumental cause through which God necessarily works, but since I haven't worked through this, I accept that it may have been a presupposition. I certainly experienced an 'aha' when you used the expression 'efficient cause of actions'.

From my perspective my time in RCI/RF  is/was a better choice than many I could have made,  such as  choosing to become a heroin addict, and I do believe I  learned snippets of God's Word  and a little about Jesus because of  my time there, and I do believe I have been 'blessed' by God whilst there.  (I suspect many have learned much despite their time there.)

And it is here that I would largely differ from you. The Revivalist churches, I believe, actually inoculate people against the Word of God. Further, the Jesus that is presented by Revivalism isn't the Jesus that we see presented in Scripture. The Revivalist version is little more than a shade, an abstract figure; he isn't the Lord and Saviour who demands the sort of obedience of which Scripture teaches.

Hmmm, from what I've read at Aimoo I've been involved in relatively innocuous parts of Revivalism, and where I am there's been a recognition by leaders they have preached 'the Holy Spirit' (even though they really mean 'tongues'), rather than 'Jesus Christ'. I can see what you mean about 'abstract figure' - hence my use of 'a little'.

If 'innoculate against the Word of God' means effectively put one's own thoughts (via proof-texting) ahead of listening to what the bible itself says (via working through context back to application) I'd agree.

I would further say that I know many people there who confess Christ (not tongues or 'the Holy Spirit') as Lord and saviour.

Certainly, but there are also Christians in all sorts of non-Christian churches: JW's, LDS, Christadelphians, etc. The fact of individual Christian conversion among some within such groups isn't what's in doubt; however, the fact of the groups themselves "being" Christian (in an ontological sense) is. And, of course, Christianity (we must remember) is a corporate faith; it isn't a strictly individual belief system or practice. I lament the fact that the corporate nature of our faith is often underemphasised, but it is vitally important to grasp given that Christ himself chose to be represented via the corporate medium of the Church local and visible (never mind universal and invisible).

Sure. As Lloyd used to say the fact that God blesses a member of the BLF, does not indicate that He is blessing the BLF itself.  I'm slowly coming to recognise my lack of appreciaton of corporate Christianity (and lack of appropriate actions).

Unfortunately though, RF doctrine as such doesn't seem to lead to Godly behaviour e.g. when one considers the actions of those in key positions, such as the Pastors Council.  The 'salvation message' remains, sadly, another gospel.

True, and this reality alone would place the various Revival groups outside the pale of what it is to "be" (again, ontologically) a Christian church. According to Paul, Revivalism (and those who preach it) is to be vigorously condemned; we are nowhere called upon to make an "apology" for groups that lead people astray. Just a thought.

I guess there 's some more stuff I need to let go of, but my intention was to state that RCI/RF was better for me in the sense that being part of a sporting club would be better for me than being a member of the Bandido motorcycle club.

As I said, many, I believe, do bend the knee to Christ, but that  seems to only  rarely be given much emphasis in teaching. The word 'grace' is used, but the actions often say 'legalism'.

Well, might I leave you with the following reflection? If such truly do "bend the knee to Christ", then why is it that they don't do what he commands?


Touche!

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 Way cool!  Longfieldism!  Gives new meaning to the term 'take a short walk....'  We could make up a new word for the dictionary like 'antilongfieldarialism'

My baptism... Hmmmm.....I wonder if this depends on if I made the descision to follow Christ at the time of the alter call before being baptized ( and if that in itself constitutes saving faith), or if I expected to be saved after being baptized because I was told that I would then receive the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues.  

Now there is the confession of faith before being baptized at RCI as well.( possibly a remnant from CRC days?) 

This still raises the question on even if the incumbent at RCI were to be persuaded by the wrong message to get into the baptismal tank, does the confession of faith still ensure that a reasonable step is taken to make sure that saving faith is effected?

Now I remember when I was baptized back in 1991, I was told by RCI that the baptism was for the remission of sins.
When presented with the confession of faith, I beleived it, therefore confessed it. 

Now I am supposing that under those circumstances that my baptism was correct.  Is there something that ex-rci folk should be thinking about in order to qualify our baptism?  Is there any danger in as far as not being under the remission of sins if not duly baptized correctly?

I get the argument on that if any organisation claims to be representative of the body of Christ, then they should be truly representing the message/doctrine of Christ, and are qualified/disqualified from the body as a corporate entity based on that.  I will give this a lot more thought.

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Paul,

My baptism... Hmmmm.....I wonder if this depends on if I made the descision to follow Christ at the time of the alter call before being baptized (and if that in itself constitutes saving faith), or if I expected to be saved after being baptized because I was told that I would then receive the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues.

What it depends on, the only thing it depends on, is whether or not you threw yourself upon Christ's mercy before you were baptised. If you were baptised so as to "speak in tongues", however, then I would be suggesting that your baptism might be invalid.

Now there is the confession of faith before being baptized at RCI as well (possibly a remnant from CRC days?). This still raises the question on even if the incumbent at RCI were to be persuaded by the wrong message to get into the baptismal tank, does the confession of faith still ensure that a reasonable step is taken to make sure that saving faith is effected?

And, 'what' precisely, is the "confession of faith"? Is it a statement whereby a sinner consciously accepts his or her depravity before God, acknowledging that he or she can be restored to a right relationship with the Creator through no other means than the crucifixion, resurrection and exaltation of his son, Jesus? If someone simply parrots the 'formula' being spoken, without first grasping the intent and the reality of what the formula points towards, then has one identified with Jesus and his sacrifice sufficiently enough for the baptismal act to be effectual? Personally, I wouldn't think so. And if the candidate was persuaded to get into the tank to (1) "prove" that God exists, or (2) receive the "Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues"; then again I would suggest that the preconditions for baptism hadn't been met, consequently, that the baptism itself was ineffectual.

Now I remember when I was baptized back in 1991, I was told by RCI that the baptism was for the remission of sins. When presented with the confession of faith, I beleived it, therefore confessed it.

Sure.

Now I am supposing that under those circumstances that my baptism was correct.  Is there something that ex-rci folk should be thinking about in order to qualify our baptism?  Is there any danger in as far as not being under the remission of sins if not duly baptized correctly?

See my explanatory comments, above.

I get the argument on that if any organisation claims to be representative of the body of Christ, then they should be truly representing the message/doctrine of Christ, and are qualified/disqualified from the body as a corporate entity based on that.  I will give this a lot more thought.

And so you should 

ps - I like the reworded reply better.

No doubt.

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All,

Given that we've been addressing "crappy" books of late, I thought the current discussion would be a perfect opportunity for me to provide a basic list of good reference books that I consider to be essential for the average Christian. 
 

Ian, I was just wondering about the Youngs Concordance. Is it of any use in bible study as it never really seems to get a mention as opposed to Strongs. Just interested ??????? 

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Hi, Glawrey.

Being an analytical concordance, Young's is actually quite superior to Strong's when it comes to exegetical utility. However, the lexicography that underpins the Hebrew and Greek 'definitions' is just as flawed as is the case with the latter, so neither should be the first choice of anyone. Much better to use a modern concordance (and translation), one that takes into account the significant papyrus discoveries of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

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Good morning, all.

I've had a few emails over the past couple of days seeking clarification about which books in my list were 'priorities' given that I had listed several as 'possibilities'. The simple answer is "the first" that is listed among the alternatives. Most of the email queries; however, centered on the issue of Bible Dictionaries so I'll try to succinctly summarise the issues, below.

I personally recommend the Eerdman volume over the IVP alternative if only one is to be purchased (although I would strongly suggest that both should be, given that they are complementary in breadth, depth and approach). The reason that I tip my hat to the Eerdman dictionary is that it contains roughly 5,000 articles and presents the general scholarly consensus (or 'centric') positions. The IVP dictionary, however, contains roughly 3,000 articles and approaches the subject matter from a much more conservative position. One notable strength of the latter over the former; however, relates to cross-references within the body of the dictionary itself: the Eerdman volume quite simply doesn't have any!

However, the general conclusions reached between the two dictionaries aren't all that dissimilar.  For example, the Revivalist who consults the Eerdman dictionary article on "tongues" will quickly discover that his or her beliefs on the subject aren't supported: the article quite clearly states that it was the 12 apostles who experienced the "manifestation of languages" described in Acts 2, and then distinguishes between the form of the manifestation in Acts from that in First Corinthians. Similarly, the article on "baptism" disavows the "immersionist-only" position staunchly defended within Revivalism. The IVP dictionary presents parallel conclusions on "tongues"; however, with respect to Acts 2 it ambiguously states, "When the assembled disciples were filled..." Noting this, it unambiguously comments that the "manifestation of languages" described in Acts differed in form from that discussed by Paul in his letter to the Corinthian church. James Dunn's article on "Baptism" reflects similar findings to what appears in the Eerdman essay.

I was asked why I didn't recommend "Smith's" dictionary. My reasons are simple: the research that underpinned that work is now well over a century out-of-date! Much was discovered during the 20th century; consequently, one should have access to the digested opinions of more recent Bible scholars.

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Hi Ian,

I have fallen in love with Theological Dictionary of the New Testament and BDAG. Also found me an "The Englishman's Greek Concordance of the NewTestament ninth edition 1908 in the Archives Bookshop in Chartlotte Street City... But BDAG cops the biggest flogging .....   and the ESV is excellent on the OT.

Also got a BHL on order from Koorong too !!!

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