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Date Posted：26/02/2007 6:11 PMCopy HTML Hi I am new to this sight and I was wondering if there were any ex-Perth RC / RF people out there. I grew up in the Perth centre and left just at the split. I am 28 so was a regular at Youngies etc...
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：26/02/2007 8:13 PMCopy HTML It is very, very weird when I bump into ex RC /RF's - my hubby is a teacher and he worked for a year with Ashlee Mouritz, which was VERY VERY interesting for a number of reasons. Anyway we grew up together and of all of those kids he seemed to have his head screwed on the most when I last saw him as a kid myself. He is now talking about starting up an RF and becoming a pastor in Mandurah. He seems to have grown up to be a nice man and my hubby and him taught together for a year before my man moved schools. They talked about God quite a lot and Ash never once told my man that he was not a christian (he asked as he does not have good things to say about the RC / RF). Anyway I find it interesting. I always cared a lot for those kids - I'm glad he's happy although I wish that he was out of the church. For you were once darkness,
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：28/02/2007 4:19 PMCopy HTML
I have a funny story relating to the mouritz crew. Back in 1980 I worked for 12 months in Kalbarri WA with Tony Mouritz, he used to own the boat hire on the river. He was always telling me about his son and crazy daughter in law (who was a pastors daughter) anyway at my first Melb. Convention in June 82 I met some Perth people who filled me in when I said I had been in Kalbarri with Tony Mouritz and turns out his son is married to Alan Thomas's daughter. I've never met them them but he rang me up for about 10 years after he found out I was in the fellowship and had worked for his dad. Anyway I thought it was funny cause it was at the Kalbarri Tavern I got witnessed to. it is the glory of God to conceal a matter but the honour of kings to search it out.
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：28/02/2007 4:46 PMCopy HTML Reply to : set free
Yeah Ash is definately still there, but at least he is not being really pushy - he lives in Mandurah and thus is looking at starting church down there - prob why he isn't seen much around the Yangebub / Morley sceen. I hear that Katherine and David are still going but living over east. I know for sure that Andrew no longer fellowships and is not in contact with the rest of his family. It is really quite sad. I grew up with them and they were some of my closest friends untill I left 
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 8:52 AMCopy HTML Reply to : light and dark
he has blonde hair and is tall. Umm, i was only in perth for 5 months but have been in RF all my life. I wish it was more like 5 months. Nah, gotta be thankful for the lessons/trials i endured there, they've only helped me to be where i am now, so i've gotta be greatful for that. I know alot of you guys on this forum probably aren't at the stage of being greatful for your time there, but please don't think i'm belittling the hurt any of you suffered by saying this. http://www.myspace.com/theiheartrevolution
theiheartrevolution.com "THE REVOLUTIONARY EMPIRE OF GOD IS HERE - ADVANCING BY RECONCILIATION AND PEACE; EXPANDING BY FAITH; HOPE AND LOVE, BEGINNING WITH THE POOREST AND THE LEAST. IT"S TIME TO CHANGE YOUR THINKING - BE PART OF THE REVOLUTION... Brian D. McClaren (paraphresed) Heal my heart and make it clean Open up my eyes to the things unseen Show me how to love like You have loved me Break my heart for what breaks Yours Everything I am for Your Kingdom"s cause As I walk from earth into eternity |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 9:51 AMCopy HTML Hi Set free, like you i had been in the revers all my life (until i left) and am also greatful for life lessons learned both during and since. I have no hatred towards them, yes i get angry at the hurt they have/do cause, and there is still things we all deal with. However there are many fond memories of people, camps etc. I stay on this site to hopefully in some small way to help encourage those still in/left/ or on the way out as only and ex rever understands what you go through. You sound like yuo are getting it together and more power to you, may God continue to lead and guide you in all that you do
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 1:47 PMCopy HTML I'm not sure who "T & M P******** and their two daughters in Perth?" are, so i geuess that's a no!
Hey Earth, yeah I really have looked to the Lord to help me move on and not carry the hurt with me. I truly am SO much happier where I am now, whenever I feel down and I go to a worship session I feel the chains breaking loose every time I praise the Lord. One night in particular we were encouraged at a youth event to go to the alter (out the front) if we felt that anything was tying us down, i went out and i gave god all of my hurt, and asked him to take away the constant question of "why didn't the pastors in RF say things like this? I've been ripped off for so long!!". Anyway, that night the Lord took about 10,000kgs of my shoulders!!!! The hurt is definately fading as I turn to the Lord and proclaim that I will live wholly for him. Something interesting actually, a sister who never went to RF was telling a few of us the other night, that other ex RF people that have moved on to their church in the past have usually taken a long time to come to revelations and let go of their bitterness - but she said that we've all "got the picture" already as far as "salvation message" and other such revelations SO quickly! I believe it's because it was the spirit leading. I was in no mood to leave the RF. Didn't plan it at all. I honetly believed i had to suffer through it. The only reason i left was because on New Years Eve (down at good ol' Carrickalinga) I vowed to the Lord that I wanted to live fully for him again, and not let other poeple dictate my enthusiasm and I also prayed to be spiritled. The next week i was out of the RF. http://www.myspace.com/theiheartrevolution
theiheartrevolution.com "THE REVOLUTIONARY EMPIRE OF GOD IS HERE - ADVANCING BY RECONCILIATION AND PEACE; EXPANDING BY FAITH; HOPE AND LOVE, BEGINNING WITH THE POOREST AND THE LEAST. IT"S TIME TO CHANGE YOUR THINKING - BE PART OF THE REVOLUTION... Brian D. McClaren (paraphresed) Heal my heart and make it clean Open up my eyes to the things unseen Show me how to love like You have loved me Break my heart for what breaks Yours Everything I am for Your Kingdom"s cause As I walk from earth into eternity |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 2:02 PMCopy HTML "Set Free" I can certainly beleive that, "out a week later" as for myself, John Kuhlmann gave a talk about 10 years ago, saying that if we (The Revival Fellowship) didnt do the right thing, then the Lord would, raise up another church, well I thought I didnt want to stick around if that happened, I would rather have a strong fellowship with God before anything else, well just over 2 years ago it all happened. I was out. We dont have legalism where I am now. regards |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 2:16 PMCopy HTML How AWESOME is it to not have legalism!!!!!! Praise God.
i was just reading my notes this morning from talks I've heard over the last few weeks. One part said "God destroyed Legalism when He offered His Son as a sacrifice. If we put ourselves under law we're saying to God that Christ's sacrifice isn't enough to save us, we're proclaiming that it's our goodness that saves us." SO FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE http://www.myspace.com/theiheartrevolution
theiheartrevolution.com "THE REVOLUTIONARY EMPIRE OF GOD IS HERE - ADVANCING BY RECONCILIATION AND PEACE; EXPANDING BY FAITH; HOPE AND LOVE, BEGINNING WITH THE POOREST AND THE LEAST. IT"S TIME TO CHANGE YOUR THINKING - BE PART OF THE REVOLUTION... Brian D. McClaren (paraphresed) Heal my heart and make it clean Open up my eyes to the things unseen Show me how to love like You have loved me Break my heart for what breaks Yours Everything I am for Your Kingdom"s cause As I walk from earth into eternity |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 3:29 PMCopy HTML Does it usually take long to settle in to a new church? I went to a new church on sunday and have been twice in previous 3 weeks, i enjoy it and although i don't think i am bitter i feel like i am over the whole church thing, but I love God and do want to get closer to HIM. I guess in a way this is more a cry for help than a posting??? Anyway, who knows, who cares! |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 3:45 PMCopy HTML Hi we felt a little this way but I know believe it was a guilt thing from previous brainwashing at grc. Sort of felt a bit of a traitor, but this goes away when you realise why you feel this way. But saying this please pray about where you are going and watch for signs that it is a true place to worship God. I believe being a part of an organised church is better to keep you focused on the Lord as well as the social side and other benifets of being in a supportive group. But you need to be around honest and loving believers. Good luck! ¡uıɐƃɐ ʎɐqǝ ɯoɹɟ pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ƃuıʎnq ɹǝʌǝu
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 3:51 PMCopy HTML It does seem right but I don't know if I know what right really feels like anymore. Are friends important??? Thanks for your reply |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 4:55 PMCopy HTML Putting biblical references aside for a bit, why do 'Christians' feel compelled to be going to 'church' meetings? To me, it suggests a degree of insecurity that they must continually reinforce their beliefs with their peers. Why not determine from life's experiences, what you believe or don't believe or whatever and get on with life?
Do you see atheists gathering together each week in organised rallies to mull over their doctrines of atheism. Do they get up and testify to each other that last week an amazing fact proved to them that there is no God? Then sing a few 'there's no God' songs to drive the message home? Maybe have a talk on 'the joys of living without faith', followed by a nice cuppa together as they pat each other on the back for being good atheists. OK I'm being a bit fecitious. But really..... if God is so real in the lives of so many people, why do they need to constantly prop up each other's faith to maintain their belief? Personally, I do believe in a divine presence. But I don't need to gather together with a bunch of like-minds to feel at home with my beliefs. If God is the omnipresent spirit that he is attributed to be, then his presence can be appreciated anywhere and anytime. If we are created and instilled with a spirit of his making, then we need only to switch off the many man-made distractions, and tune in to the resonance of life that is there all along. If I may quote.... "Be still and know that I am God". To sit quietly and be at one with the present moment is getting closer to God than a hundred and one 'hallelujah meetings'. Getting to the centre of your being is where its at. If going to fellowship meetings is your thing... great! But if you are not honestly, truly convinced of your professed beliefs, then going along to feel more 'spiritual' is a crock. So 'Nahum 1v7' follow your own instincts as to what feels right for you, and chill! Dog. "for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2)
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 5:06 PMCopy HTML Reply to : set free
From what I've heard Jason left the RF a while back, and his mum Lou also left a couple of months ago, and goes to anther Pentecostal assembly (creating major waves with her RF loyal husband and ex pastor). "for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2)
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 6:49 PMCopy HTML
Hey Nahum, you're asking, who knows who cares? God knows and God cares! It is not easy stepping out of a cult, feelings that you didn't know that you even had can often begin to surface. This is all normal and will become easier - just give it time. If you can find a church that accepts people as they are - which after all is what Jesus did, you will find support and love. Just have to be sure that you watch the goings on carefully - after all who wants to go through all that pain again. I am thrilled with the church I am now attending, the praise and worship, the uplifting talks, the heartfelt prayer, the love and caring that the pastors show for the people - it just amazes me! To think - all those years I believed the (RF) oversight when they said that we shouldn't go to pentecostal churches cos they compromise - I can see now just how much they (RF)compromised the word of God by their own narrow-mindedness. Nahum - it's OK to cry for help, we all do at times and it's comforting to know that there are people who care. Love, Urchin Your unfailing love, O Lord, is as vast as the heavens; your faithfulness reaches beyond the clouds. Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your justice like the ocean depths.
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 7:59 PMCopy HTML Hi Nahum,
yes there are people who care, and as urchin said God cares. I and my wife looked areound a bit b4 settleing into a church and even then we asked lots of questions and observed for a long time b4 we felt that we could call this place home. Yes it was a big pento church and it suited us. other ex rever friends didnt go down that track some are doing what is known as house churchs where small groups of people meet/fellowship in others homes on a regular basis, both are good. to me its really the body of christ in action as the ear dosnt do what the little finger does however both are part of the body and have a function and purpose. Others I know are still un churched in any form and are still (like all of us) working through things). one thing i will say is that the scripture does say not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, iron sharpend iron etc. Over all just take it easy keep looking to God, dont be afraid to ask questions God is faithfull even if man is not earth5 |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 9:02 PMCopy HTML Reply to : earth5
Hi Earth5, Fair enough for you to do the Christian thing and provide the scriptural answer to the meeting thing. We have offered Nahum a couple of different perspectives, and Nahum can take or reject responses as he/she sees fit. There are very many alternative ways to live out our lives. My questions were honest ones that I ask of myself. With folk questioning the legalism and everything of Revival Fellowships, I was extending the notion to question whether we must feel compelled to follow the bible at all. I feel that going to meetings can be a security blanket for some, and whether or not they maintain Christian faith, not going is an option. Dog. "for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2)
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：04/03/2007 11:14 PMCopy HTML Ok. Thanks guys (girls)? I had a pastor from a different church tell me the other day he would challenge me on evrythind I ever beleived, well I guess what I have beleived over the years is not necessarily what I have beleived. We go to church, whichever church, in my case it was rci/rf and we are told what to beleive rather than seek for truth. Now every time I look for truth and answers there are barriers and judgements about everything. Not sure what I beleive. I beleive in God and Jesus, I don't beleive too many people. I think it is healthy to be challenged - a bit like the all bran ad. So, how about others, do you really beleive what you say you beleive??? There is a difference between beleiving and just doing. Apologies for getting a bit deep/depressive before |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：05/03/2007 6:36 AMCopy HTML
Hi Nahum Its been a number of years since i left the RCI then RF I had been there for around twenty years Dont be afraid to ask for help Even though i dont know you I LOVE YOU AND I CARE!!!!!!! your post hit my heart Friends are important they can give you support and love whether or not you attend another church regularly is a choice only you can make I would suggest you do but you might be thinking which one Woodcroft people who have recently are going through the same as you you may even be one of those. love chris |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：05/03/2007 6:51 AMCopy HTML Thanks Chris, I must be a bit negative here and say that you tell me that you love and care yet you remain anonymous. I am finding more and more that there are people who do love and care but they are like ghosts. All I am saying is contact me if you care, I am open for help but I don't know for how long??? I don't doubt your sincerity though |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：05/03/2007 7:40 AMCopy HTML Just thought I may not have been too good at explaining why I attend church. My belief in God is 100% and I dont go to church to strengthen my belief. I have had real experience with the Lord and have seen a healing of my son that was a miracle. So I dont need to strengthen my belief or try to convince myself of Gods existence. However I come from a family that all have met violent deaths and when I reflect on why they arrived at a point in life where for example many would like them to be dead or they themselves would want to die it all came down to very evil sins that they commited. I am lucky to have the Lord to guide me through the Holy Spirit and have kept out of trouble mostly. But for me I think of children. They of coarse believe in the existence of their parents but their behaviour can be not too good if they forget their parents can see them. I am a little like this. My morals and general behaviour is better when I attend church as it reminds me of what Christ done for me and why I should behave as best I can in thankfulness. When I am living this way I feel happiest and all aspects of my life work out better. ¡uıɐƃɐ ʎɐqǝ ɯoɹɟ pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ƃuıʎnq ɹǝʌǝu
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：22/04/2007 9:16 PMCopy HTML I'm from Perth too...(Yangebup)... I just wanted to comment on this thread incase some current Revivalite's jump on here- I noticed that when you type in 'Revival fellowship Perth' this thread comes up.... so in case you accidently got here- I wanted to encourage all the people reading this thread- to look around this site... .... You can read my testimony in the stories section... ...or u can look up all my writing- (I'm Shining for Jesus ) -warning# |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：12/06/2007 9:45 AMCopy HTML
Welcome to the forum H_W... Yeah... sometimes it can take a bit of 'too-ing and fro-ing' before you finally leave I guess. So many reasons can be behind that. Family still attending, the fear of losing all of the friends you have grown up with. If you don't really know any other way to live, it becomes a 'comfort zone'. Take the big step! There's a whole new wonderful world awaiting! Good luck on your journey. Regards.. Bindi " IF I COULD WISH FOR MY LIFE TO BE PERFECT, IT WOULD BE TEMPTING BUT I WOULD HAVE TO DECLINE, FOR LIFE WOULD NO LONGER TEACH ME ANYTHING."
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：12/06/2007 9:56 AMCopy HTML Reply to : h_w
Well its good to hear of another local RFer that is being liberated from the assembly! Welcome aboard here. Look around, read of others experiences and stories. You'll find that there CERTAINLY IS life after the RF. There are plenty of resources and support here to help encourage you. I'm not pretending its easy. It would have been about the hardest decision I ever made in my life, but one of the most liberating and a wonderful turning points of my life. Totally different to the suggestions they make that when folk leave they are 'throwing in the towel' 'back-sliding' and 'falling-away'. All those terms have the connotation of weakness and failure. This is nothing more than fear-mongering and ploy to keep folk in subjection to their influence. The truth is the opposite of what they say. It is the empowering action of a strong individual with the courage to go forward and take back what is theirs, their very own life. NOBODY has the right to treat us the way the RF has and control our life that way. How to leave?..... You have to decide that for yourself, the timing, what you do & say, the people you speak to etc, is all up to you. You'll need a big umbrella to shelter you from all the BULLSHIT they try to throw at you, but you can see through all that, I know you can! Keep in mind that it SUITS THEM for you to slink away quietly so that they can just carry on without too much interuption to their program. Then they can cross you off their lists and forget about you, and continue in their delusional elitist ways. It's easy for me to say maybe, but I'd love it if folk stood up tall and went around saying goodbye to folk they know and love, explaining that they are not coming back because............ and deflecting any attempts to stop you. Or getting up to give a testimony, and making the announcement and saying bye!..... wouldn't that rot their socks!!!!!! But hey, I'm not suggesting that you put yourself in the firing line that way. As I said, it is YOUR decision, and you have to decide yourself how to manage the transition to freedom. My warmest wishes are with you as you take that step. Hey recently a few ex-RFers got together for lunch and a yarn. It was great to get together and share, and we will do so again in the future. If you think you might like to join us, PM me and we'll keep in touch. All strength to ya! Dog. "for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2)
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：15/05/2008 9:52 AMCopy HTML I am going to be in Perth next week maybe I could visit some Perth COMPOUNDS ! Just to compare as I was in Sydney last week, Townsville on theWeekend, Melbourne at the moment and Perth next week.. Getting quite an idea what the patterns are when it comes to CULT HALLS..
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：03/12/2008 5:02 AMCopy HTML Hi all, |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：03/12/2008 6:08 AMCopy HTML Hi there rvi_long_gone, Were you and family with the very charismatic Alan C's breakaway group of Bunbury Redemption Centre which later folded with about 50-75% returning to the RCI fold under the leadership of Pastor RT (and dare I say it "Pastor" GT)? RCI Bunbury then becoming RF after the 1995 split still for a while under the old guard leadership of PRT. EV |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：03/12/2008 6:38 AMCopy HTML You know it EV!
And believe me I know of Alan C's "charasmatic" traits better than most. One very evil man. Our eventual leaving of RCI was due (partially) to the leadership, or lack of it, of RT. |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：03/12/2008 7:25 AMCopy HTML Yes rvi_l_g, so true. A very twisted "charisma" where AC was concerned. RT was very limited in his knowledge and understanding of scripture. I was told that once when he was rounding his Bunbury folk up for a 100% showing at camp, his words from the front were that "if you don't get to camp you should seriously consider your salvation". Ha! RT was as dangerous in his own way as AC. I have at times sat in a Bunbury meeting in sheer disbelief. If someone fell short his expectation or failed to toe the party line his talks were often loaded with innuendo. Not just the talks either but also the interpretation of the gifts were full of innuendo. Used to make me doubt that much was coming from God in all of it. He and GT are still around Bunbury still strongly asserting their influence. EV |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：22/06/2010 9:31 AMCopy HTML I watched Today Tonight last night and saw their story on Noel and RCI etc etc and happened to come across this forum today. Some of the stories have really run true, its a pity so many of them are no more than snippets and very focussed on the Eastern States.
I think some of the threads written by the ex-Perth people have been deleted from what I can gather, they seem pretty old now. Who knows - maybe I sat near Earthen Vessel with my mouth open in some of the same meetings listening to RT drone on on a seemingly endless spectrum of topics. A few years ago I found pages of the notes that I had written during his talks - I used to scribble down Rodisms because they were so hilarious, I clearly remember others being equally amused. My notes on RTs talk about Celestial Sex make me laugh just thinking about them - priceless souvenir. I also briefly present at the AC breakaway group - Redemption and Julibee groups. I also went to the Perth meetings at various locations. Odd bunch of people. Social misfits. It was interesting hearing about the Quirk family and the jokes about KQs eldest son. Poor kid. Imagine the pressure. The damage caused by RCIs doctrine and lack of compassion will always be a part of mine and my families history. Even my family members who never attended a meeting were impacted by me......but I am a stronger person for it. Any other survivors out there? |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：26/06/2010 2:55 AMCopy HTML I guess you could call me a survivor? I still go. RCI Melb. I can see the cracks. I can see the wrongdoing. I can see how the people are 'brainwashed'. I can also see that some new pastors are trying to get the right message in their talks. The problem is that their approach fails them. And the people are so indoctrinated that the message of Jesus is not understood or embraced by them. It seems that the joy and love of Jesus is foreign to so many! (But not all). Secretly, I go to another church as well. And do they celebrate the love of God and Jesus! I love it there, but when I don't attend RCI I feel a gaping hole in my Sunday. And I feel guilty. So I am enjoying both places at the moment. I have a very open mind. I keep to myself, connect with my friends there, and I choose to be happy with my life. I think that whatever church you go to, it's what you make from it. I take what I want, and discard what I want. I pray and connect with the Almighty Lord myself, and make my walk individual. Good on everyone who takes a stand for their beliefs!
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：26/06/2010 7:19 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest I guess you could call me a survivor? I still go. RCI Melb. I can see the cracks. I can see the wrongdoing. I can see how the people are 'brainwashed' etc etc etc Guest, You seem to be making heavy work of things, going to a whole lot of trouble comparing one church with t'other. The RCI isn't looking so good with all its cracks 'n wrongdoings etc. Just offering a suggestion that might help:- Perhaps if you were the print out your above post, sign it and hand it to RCI pastors you might be quickly relieved of the gaping hole you feel when not attending RCI meetings and the guilty feelings you experience when not there on Sundays. You would still be a survivor, but a survivor of a different sort. Certainly a lot freer to move between churches without guilt or deception. If as the thread title suggests, you are ex Perth, you would know for sure that the "spiritual butterflying" that you are doing has never been tolerated in RCI churches and would be punished. They are quick to quote from James 1 : 8 "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways" and it's got to be the Revival way only. The majority of churches in the wider christian community don't place the same regulations and punishments (being put out) on looking in at another church. Neither do they place the same conditions on salvation as RCI wrongly do. It's no wonder "the message of Jesus is not understood by them or embraced by them" and "the joy and love of Jesus is foreign to so many" in RCI. No-one is saved by Jesus sacrifice in RCI. They are saved the moment the hallelujahs are a syllable or two out and tongues heard and salvation declared. Anglicans, Catholics, Baptists, Lutheran and others who are saved by grace through faith are free to visit each other without it being a big deal and requiring such secrecy. Perhaps you also would be much freer outside of RCI. God Bless Epi |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：26/06/2010 11:42 AMCopy HTML I completely know that there will be trouble if they find out. But they won't because I make sure I keep to myself. Why do I stay? There's aspects I like. Plus I have family and friends there! It just seems so much easier to be a peacemaker. I just take breaks when I feel like it! I have been reading everyone's stuff for a long time now, and all I can say is that I am awfully sorry that RCI etc made you all feel that way. No human should make God's people feel so low. It is absolutely rotten. And we are God's people together! Our job is to love each other and forgive. I hope that no one suffers anymore loss or depression because of misled people who have made terrible mistakes. I like you guys. So I hope you all can see that not all at RCI are 'blinded'. I'm not. I have this determination that by staying at RCI, I can make a difference. I can represent the Lord somehow, by not saying a word. It's my goal! And I'm not from Perth. I've been a Melbournian all my life. Peace and love!
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：27/06/2010 5:09 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest I have been reading everyone's stuff for a long time now, and all I can say is that I am awfully sorry that RCI etc made you all feel that way. No human should make God's people feel so low. It is absolutely rotten. And we are God's people together! Our job is to love each other and forgive. I hope that no one suffers anymore loss or depression because of misled people who have made terrible mistakes. I like you guys. Hi again RCI Guest, I am not sure this should come under the thread here but I'm sure our proficient moderator will rectify it. Thanks for your apology and concern. Great that you like the guys here. Even if we don't quite see things the same way which I don't. I do however wish you well in your endeavours. I am thankful that I do not suffer depression, but do feel for those who do and for the many, in the Revival I was familiar with, who are and are suppressed from referring to it in testamony or conversation. As one not so long removed (voluntarily) from the Revival system, I had similar ideals to yourself - the desire/determination to stay and make a difference being one. Also I had family and friends there and to this day, buffited but still there. While I acknowledge that not all are blinded I do think almost all are blinkered. It is the system which needs change. Individual, new and innovative pastors can try to get the right message through in talks, but the system needs to change and it needs to come from the top, announced from the platform. Just think on the much publicised Synods/Councils/Conclaves of other churches which are convened to discuss and decide on ecclesiastical affairs and their much publicised outcomes. Outspoken individuals in Revival Churches can be easily squashed and destroyed. In my opinion one of the biggest handicaps in RCI and the breakaway RF is pride. Particularly elder pastors are the supreme authority and the system is such that they don't admit fault or failing and/or sin. Mistakes are always someone else's and never the leadership. Whether they realise it or not it is arrogance. There is no humility whatsoever. Also there is no recourse for anyone to dispute the leadership. I still recall as a new RCIer words from the platform to "obey the oversight even if he's wrong" and thinking, did Christ die for me to be under this dangerous rule. It took me a long time to take action and leave. God Bless you. Epi |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：27/06/2010 5:13 AMCopy HTML Sorry, forgot to sign in. The last post was from Epios |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：27/06/2010 12:49 PMCopy HTML Everything you said, is absolutely true and correct. I agree fully with you. The leadership has to change their approach. There's too much pride, not enough humility. The whole concept of 'take the log out of your own eye before you try to remove the speck from your neighbour's' is just non-existent. In the talk today, there was focus on an excellent scripture - 1 John ch 4 v 7 "Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love...v 11 Beloved, since God loved us so much, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God lives in us, and his love is perfected in us." How I adore these words. Very sad to see leaders talking about it but not embracing and showing it. Sorry about putting this in the wrong spot! Hopefully this can be fixed. (I am new to using forums). I like sharing my beliefs with people who are open to listen. You definitely can't do that at RCI. If you think differently, or speak differently, it is looked down upon. Or shot down. That, I do not like. Thanks for listening and responding! I hope that I can contribute here in a positive way. God Bless, everyone!
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：27/06/2010 3:31 PMCopy HTML Hi Guest,
Good to hear from you again. Yes, it is good to be able to share our faith and beliefs with others. We can learn so much from each other and what better topic than our Lord and Savious Jesus Christ. I'm sure you will contribute here well and in a positive way. May I suggest that you register a name. The Guests and Ex Members are many any it is becoming rather confusing distinguishing who's who sometimes. You can register any name ie "It's Me" if you want and you need not give away any more of your identity. You will need a password known only to you. It does make it easier to distinguish who is posting. If you are interested click on JOIN which is on the right of TODAY at the top of the website. God Bless to you too. Epi |
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：28/06/2010 10:31 AMCopy HTML Thanks for the invite! I will join up, mostly because I'd love to take part in some great discussions about the Lord! I enjoy it so much, and most people in my life aren't interested in talking about it with me. It's so good to know that there is a group of people who share the same passion. I wanted to join before, but I think the rules say 'no RCI people' or something along those lines. I have no intention of causing trouble, I just want to take part comfortably and share thoughts as fellow Christians. My name will be 'Faithful Shadow'. Talk soon!
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Re：Any ex-Perth people out there?? Date Posted：28/06/2010 11:00 AMCopy HTML I've tried to join up, but the submit key doesn't work. As soon as I can get it to work, I'm in!
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especially at the information that will hopefully challenge your beliefs in some of the doctrines that Revival teaches...
you may fall asleep...
