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This one will set you free...You know how the RCs use that verse "Abstain from all appearance of evil" to burden people even further by saying, "Not only don't do evil but don't do anyting that may be misconstrued to be doing evil" such as going to a pub even while you don't drink, etc?Well guess what?That verse doesn't mean that at all!!!It acutally means 'abstain from all appearance of evil' in the sense of 'abstain for all evil whenever and wherever it appears'. In other words, 'abstain from all evil at ever appearance' or abstain from all evil wherever it shows up.'Think about it, you cannot be held responsible before God for how other people misconstrue your actions. If you did that then you would always be explaining everything. And Jesus didn't bother doing that when they called him a drunkard and 'friend of sinners'. He just rebuked his critics and went on being holy inspite of how they misjudged him.So the RCs have got this one all wrong (AGAIN!!!)and simply use their misinterpretation of the verse to control people even further and burden them with something the writer of the verse never intended. Look the verse up in the NIV and see what it says.
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I didn't know that. I can do as I want as long as it only look like I'm doing things wrong in the eyes of god and his followers and not really doing any thing wrong. ALL RIGHT!

Did you know that those fleeing Egypt did not cross the Red Sea but they crossed a place that was full or reeds which means that they had to cross a swampy place with fresh stagnant water and not salty water?

Did you know that most Rabbis do not believe that there was a fight between David and Goliath? They do no believe that there was a person named Goliath.

Did you know that the it was not a camel that was not able to go through the eye of a needle but that it was a rope that was not able to go through the eye of a needle?

I think we should all use this post to correst the bible writters and the bible readers and of course those who preach the bible.

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"I can do as I want as long as it only look like I'm doing things wrong in the eyes of god and his followers and not really doing any thing wrong."

Umm...  You're way off mark there man. I think you're missing the point here completely. You shoud get a bit of a grip. Reading a verse in context is different to not reading it in context (too simple?). Here's the verse. It says to test things, keep the good, avoid the bad and stay away from evil when it appears. No one has said (paraphrasing you here) "do what you want because to others it will look ok" - WTF!

(KJV) 1 Thess 5:22  - Abstain from all appearance of evil

(NIV)21Put everything to the test. Hold on to what is good. 22Stay away from every kind of evil.

"Think about it, you cannot be held responsible before God for how other people misconstrue your actions.  If you did that then you would always be explaining everything.  And Jesus didn't bother doing that when they called him a drunkard and 'friend of sinners'.  He just rebuked his critics and went on being holy inspite of how they misjudged him." - Mr J


Furthermore, no one is trying to undermine the bible and correct the writers. No one is challenging the truth you hold in the good book by explaining away David & Samson (oops, I mean Goliath).

We were always told by well-meaning students of the bible that the 'eye of the needle' was a small gateway and that the only way for a travellor to get through was to take his luggage off the camel. Whether that's true or not is irrelevent. It throws a new perspective on a scripture and I'm sure the author would have been delighted with the interpretation.

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Did you know that those fleeing Egypt did not cross the Red Sea but they crossed a place that was full or reeds which means that they had to cross a swampy place with fresh stagnant water and not salty water?

If this is true, how did the entire Egyptian army, that was chasing them, drown in this swampy place?

Exd 15:4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.

 

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I didn't know that. I can do as I want as long as it only look like I'm doing things wrong in the eyes of god and his followers and not really doing any thing wrong.

Moron.

I never said you shuould do anything wrong in the eyes of God.

Now you can hang on to a misreading of King James style English (which wouldn't have been misread in its day by the way) and continue to live in ignorance of what the Bible says.

Or actually try to understand what the translators were trying to say and then visit the Greek text and see what the original writer was actually saying.  Then you can change your theology to be based on what the Bible actually says.

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Reply to : AnonymousDid you know that those fleeing Egypt did not cross the Red Sea but they crossed a place that was full or reeds which means that they had to cross a swampy place with fresh stagnant water and not salty water?If this is true, how did the entire Egyptian army, that was chasing them, drown in this swampy place?Exd 15:4Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath hecast into the sea: his chosen captains also aredrowned in the Red sea.
Don't take my word for it as you did the pastors. Look into it yourself you have google right?  Do you really think god did all was said of him in the bible??????? do you really think that the world was flooded? Do you really think that a group of people would wander around in the deser for 40! years? REALLY?  I know those people would have lastet less than a month before they found comfort in some town. People are lazy as you have proven by not doing your home work. Do you googleing and get the answers for yourself.
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Reply to : AnonymousReply to : AnonymousDid you know that those fleeing Egypt did not cross the Red Sea but they crossed a place that was full or reeds which means that they had to cross a swampy place with fresh stagnant water and not salty water?If this is true, how did the entire Egyptian army, that was chasing them, drown in this swampy place?Exd 15:4Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath hecast into the sea: his chosen captains also aredrowned in the Red sea.Don't take my word for it as you did the pastors. Look into it yourself you have google right? Do you really think god did all was said of him in the bible??????? do you really think that the world was flooded? Do you really think that a group of people would wander around in the deser for 40! years? REALLY?&nb

Look up google? So everything that's written up on the internet is the absolute truth? Perhaps when you are dying, it will also bring you back to life!  The all conquering, almighty google! Let's bow!

 

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Reply to : AnonymousReply to : AnonymousDid you know that those fleeing Egypt did not cross the Red Sea but they crossed a place that was full or reeds which means that they had to cross a swampy place with fresh stagnant water and not salty water?If this is true, how did the entire Egyptian army, that was chasing them, drown in this swampy place?Exd 15:4Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath hecast into the sea: his chosen captains also aredrowned in the Red sea.Don't take my word for it as you did the pastors. Look into it yourself you have google right? Do you really think god did all was said of him in the bible??????? do you really think that the world was flooded? Do you really think that a group of people would wander around in the deser for 40! years? REALLY?&nb

I am not in RCI, but have a sister who has been in there for almost 15 years.  We are praying for God to show her the truth.

I don't take your word, nor any pastor's word for anything.  The only thing that matters is what God says about something.  God can't lie.  I included Bible quotes to show you what really happened.  The Bible has always been proven CORRECT. 

Yes, the world was flooded.  The rainbow is covenant symbol from God that He will never flood the earth again.

Yes, they wandered for 40 years because of their grumbling and for not trusting God. 

So, you choose to believe Google over God.....hmmm Google did not create the world, google does not keep the universe going, google can not save you.  I choose to believe God in all things.  I would not want to be you when you stand before God after your death and He decides your eternal destiny......just something to think about.....eternity is a long time to be in torment over a wrong decision on earth...

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Reply to : AnonymousReply to : AnonymousReply to : AnonymousDid you know that those fleeing Egypt did not cross the Red Sea but they crossed a place that was full or reeds which means that they had to cross a swampy place with fresh stagnant water and not salty water?If this is true, how did the entire Egyptian army, that was chasing them, drown in this swampy place?Exd 15:4Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath hecast into the sea: his chosen captains also aredrowned in the Red sea.Don't take my word for it as you did the pastors. Look into it yourself you have google right? Do you really think god did all was said of him in the bible??????? do you really think that the world was flooded? Do you really think that a group of people would wander around in the deser for 40! years? REALLY?&nb
the world as you say was NOT the whole planet it was where noah lived that area only-Mt ararat?? and the rainbow is a sign that floods like that verocity will never happen again. and im sure back in bible days they were not lazy! you forget they had to walk or ride a donkey to get anywhere. i would think that they were even far healthier than man today! google is all heresay and i agree its not all factual just like alot of things!
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the world as you say was NOT the whole planet it was where noah lived that area only-Mt ararat?? and the rainbow is a sign that floods like that verocity will never happen again. and im sure back in bible days they were not lazy! you forget they had to walk or ride a donkey to get anywhere. i would think that they were even far healthier than man today! google is all heresay and i agree its not all factual just like alot of things!

Google is a search engine... come on people get with the program (pun intended). It's a look-up device to help find information of all types, from millions of sources, including every version of the bible. "So, you choose to believe Google over God..."  Google doesn't have any content of it's own.. heck, you can use Google to search through the bible.

Thou shouldest abstain from all appearances of evil whence Google image search doth not hath "safe search" option ticked.

I agree chazychick. Was the whole earth flooded completely, 5000 years ago? "No", geologists would answer (and not just the crazy athiest ones either). Were many parts of the world under water at some stage that are no longer. Yes. The bible also says that Cain was banished from the Earth (and cripes, even though I hate to quote Lloyd Longfield, here I go: "Cain wasn't an astronaught"). The idea that pygmies and aboriginals and asians and caucasions and etc were all descended from the eight people on the ark 5000 years ago is just nonsense. The "answers in Genesis" mob, with their young earth and worldwide flood theories, clutch at straws and make christians seem like naive nutters.

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1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Appearance
A-1 Noun Strong's Number: 1491 Greek: eidos
properly "that which strikes the eye, that which is exposed to view," signifies the "external appearance, form, or shape," and in this sense is used of the Holy Spirit in taking bodily form, as a dove, Luk 3:22; of Christ, 9:29, "the fashion of His countenance." Christ used it, negatively, of God the Father, when He said "Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form," Jhn 5:37. Thus it is used with reference to each person of the Trinity. Probably the same meaning attaches to the word in the Apostle's statement, "We walk by faith, not by sight (eidos)," 2Cr 5:7, where eidos can scarcely mean the act of beholding, but the visible "appearance" of things which are set in contrast to that which directs faith. The believer is guided, then, not only by what he beholds but by what he knows to be true though it is invisible. It has a somewhat different significance in 1Th 5:22, in the exhortation, "Abstain from every form of evil," i.e., every sort or kind of evil (not "appearance," AV). This meaning was common in the papyri, the Greek writings of the closing centuries, B.C., and the New Testament era. See FASHION, SHAPE, SIGHT. Cp. No. 4.

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See! If you scratch the surface you will find people have their own view of god and his power and his word. this is why people leave different churches not just the GRC when they get to an understanding that what they are reading or hearing is not what they want to believe. If it's their own belief or someone elses that they take to heart does not matter.  If someone can prove to me that for 400 days there was a lake that was contained in just one small place the height of the top of mountains and did not spread through the world I will believe the bible.  I know when you are lost in a desert with not work and nothing to do but eat and sleep your body slowly looses it's health and vitality. The first day you are strong with the vision of a better life. And the second day you think " WHAT THE HELL HAVE I DONE?" The third day you decide to turn back but the elders tell you to believe in god the forth day most people are dead from dehydration and lack of food. The fifth day the birds of the air are eating you and the sixth day you are droppings. 

 People back then did not have it as well as we did. They did not have the medical treatments  the clothing the shoes they wore would not last for 40 years. The resolve of people would not have lasted forty years.  It's all a fairy tale. A STORY! I know most of you take the bible as truth as the word of GOD but it's a book of stories that may or may not be true. Most people of the world do not believe in the bible or google. They believe in their god and their books of lies. They believe that they are right!  Are they wrong. How do you know you are right? Why did you leave your church? Why did you want to get out. Was not god there or was he accross the street? Just scratch the surface and you see how people's belief are different.

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See! If you scratch the surface you will find people have their own view of god and his power and his word. this is why people leave different churches not just the GRC when they get to an understanding that what they are reading or hearing is not what they want to believe. If it's their own belief or someone elses that they take to heart does not matter. If someone can prove to me that for 400 days there was a lake that was contained in just one small place the height of the top of mountains and did not spread through the world I will believe the bible. I know when you arelost in a desertwith not work and nothing to do but eat and sleep your body slowly looses it's health and vitality. The first day you are strong with the vision of a better life. And the second day you think"WHAT THE HELL HAVE I DONE?" The third day you decide to tu

ok! u can survive on water alone for a bit but there would be berry shrubs that could be eaten. just watch jack absalom in the desert. point is we adapt to our society and in those days it was a healthy lifestyle-foodwise, they took cattle with them and probably found and hunted wild animals? the ark was found atop of mt ararat!   i know what you are trying to say though. and when it say s god created man in his likeness that was adam! there were the darker skinned races before him thats who cain married a woman from the land of Nod! i think im correct on this one as i aint been told it was wrong yet.

man has naturally progressed and became wiser and wiser. we are lucky i guess that god gave us free will and when exercised needs to be respected.

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Reply to : AnonymousSee! If you scratch the surface you will find people have their own view of god and his power and his word. this is why people leave different churches not just the GRC when they get to an understanding that what they are reading or hearing is not what they want to believe. If it's their own belief or someone elses that they take to heart does not matter. If someone can prove to me that for 400 days there was a lake that was contained in just one small place the height of the top of mountains and did not spread through the world I will believe the bible. I know when you arelost in a desertwith not work and nothing to do but eat and sleep your body slowly looses it's health and vitality. The first day you are strong with the vision of a better life. And the second day you think"WHAT THE H

ok! u can survive on water alone for a bit but there would be berry shrubs that could be eaten. just watch jack absalom in the desert. point is we adapt to our society and in those days it was a healthy lifestyle-foodwise, they took cattle with them and probably found and hunted wild animals? the ark was found atop of mt ararat!   i know what you are trying to say though. and when it say s god created man in his likeness that was adam! there were the darker skinned races before him thats who cain married a woman from the land of Nod! i think im correct on this one as i aint been told it was wrong yet.

man has naturally progressed and became wiser and wiser. we are lucky i guess that god gave us free will and when exercised needs to be respected.

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I agree with everything you have mentioned, except the part where you write "and became wiser and wiser". Man has gained and continues to gain KNOWLEDGE and in this point of time, this knowledge is accumulated exponentially. However, I believe, man has not grown wiser and wiser - just read some of the threads posted on this site!!

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Reply to : AnonymousSee! If you scratch the surface you will find people have their own view of god and his power and his word. this is why people leave different churches not just the GRC when they get to an understanding that what they are reading or hearing is not what they want to believe. If it's their own belief or someone elses that they take to heart does not matter. If someone can prove to me that for 400 days there was a lake that was contained in just one small place the height of the top of mountains and did not spread through the world I will believe the bible. I know when you arelost in a desertwith not work and nothing to do but eat and sleep your body slowly looses it's health and vitality. The first day you are strong with the vision of a better life. And the second day you think"WHAT THE H
The Ark was NOT found on top of Mt Ararat, sorry. It's never been found, they thought it was but turned out not.  I'm wondering if you're just sprouting stuff you used to hear or still hear, depending on whether you still attend, or if you've looked into this stuff yourself.  When it speaks about God making man in his own image and you go on to talk about darker skinned people, are you for real.  So now we're being told that God is a white man.  What a pile of crap.  What about the possibility that scripture means with a spirit and soul that will converse with him, nothing to do with looks.  It's all open to interpretation and your interpretation is too narrow for me.
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People to and fro among churches because they are not content or do not believe are are not convinced...no Spirirual intervention

Really dark skinned races ? very few believe this Muslem invented theology.

Cain ....Scripture simply says Cain went to the land of Nod? and knew his wife. Didn,t say he found her there .

And you believing the Bible no amount of miracles including one raised from the dead would cause you to beieve ....because you choose not to

Also eye of the needle....for RCI/RF the eye of the needle gate was built in the 16th Cent. soooo....doesn,t not refer to camels kneeling at a "late" gate they got that one wrong too.
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$%*'`[crazychick]%*'`@this all really interesting stuff hey??? is there someone out there that can gather all the common stories told to sunday school kids from the bible eg; dark skinned races before adam and eve, finding the ark-although i did hear that on the news a few years ago, wandering the desert 40yrs etc. to be honest i thought the bible was fact and written by different people annointed by God. but i should say i still believe in God, and the hell/heaven thing cany help it i guess.
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