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This is a post for those who love the people in RCI and who want RCI to continue and grow and change for the positive.  This is NOT a post for negative comments, but for encouraging Simon Longfield to get on with the massive task he has ahead of him if he is to properly administer the RCI and re-ignite and re-enliven it.

Simon,

I have met with you on many occasions, and I know that you are an intelligent and caring person, and I am convinced that you are as honest as the rest of us, and sincerely care for the RCI and it's members.

Since leaving the RCI, I have been opened up to the wider church community and the Ex-Revival community and let me assure you that a lot of the negative comments in this website and elsewhere are also coupled with fond memories and goodwill also.  We are very concerned with the current condition of RCI, and you are the only one who can turn this around. 

I can only pray for you and encourage you to be brave and visionary and make some positive changes to RCI, because if you do not, the flame might go out altogether.

I encourage you to please update the music.  Those choruses are really awful once you have experienced the better theology and sound of Hillsong, Nikki Chiswell and other really good worship music that most of the rest of Australia have moved on to.  Those choruses are really cringe-worthy.

I encourage you to seperate the Longfield Trust and other venture from RCI, and start making available openly and transparently the church financial records, not begrudgingly or by appointment or by having to ask someone to see them, but make them available in the airlock for all to take home a copy at all times, and also make copies available at the yearly accounting periods.  The congregation should not have to ask, they should not be left wondering, they should be able to take copies whenever they want to without having to ask for it, or be in any fear of ramifications for wanting to see the chuches records.

I encourage you to make better application of confession in the RCI.  There are so many folk in RCI that are racked with guilt that they just should not be.  There are older members of the church who are carrying the burden of guilt for silly things that they did 20 years ago - stupid things like flashing brown-eyes and things they did when they were young, and they do not have a clear conscience before God..  How on earth can the revival flame keep burning when the congregation have a burden of guilt on their shoulders?  They should not have to tell a house leader or Pastor any confession in order to have a clear concience to God.  They should be able to on a weekly basis be able to confess to God all things on their conscience and have their concience sprinkled clean.  In the 14 years in Revival I did not experience the cleansing of my conscience until I left and went to another church.  I had in that 14 years in RCI hear from people every week of their conscience being burdened. 

I encourage you to ease up on the strictness of the RCI guidelines.  Many of them are just uneccesarry.  Guidelines should be exactly that - guidelines, not strict enforcable rules that need to be enforced by threats and such.  Many RCI folk have replaced thier own rational volition and excerise of self control to the legalism of guidelines.  It took me 18 months after leaving RCI in order to excercise self control in all areas of my life when I became no longer subject to the legalism of the guidelines. 

I encourage you to put Brittish Isreal to the back-burner just as you did with numerics.  I also encourage you to open up the bookshop with more soundly structured materials, and encourage the congregation to grow and learn and be guided by the Holy Spirit, rather than being fettered with the guideline of not having any material outside the bookshop.

I encourage you do this quickly before things get worse.

Yours sincerely and in the love of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit,

Paul Miles.

Anyone else who wishes to positively encourage Simon Longfield, please post here.

Please show the love of Jesus when doing this in this post, and leave bitter arguments to other threads and posts.

I invite you Simon, to answer if you want to. 
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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

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To Dear Ian,

For what it’s worth, thought it timely to put some thoughts down for you to “please consider”:) 

Firstly, in response to "there are none so blind as those who refuse to see", well this is as applicable to you as it is anyone else.  I encourage you to bare this in mind as you blindly continue to refuse to see the rest of what I have to say.

So you know the scriptures back to front from a man’s point of view but what about from the Lord’s point of view – without the discernment of the Spirit you CANNOT understand His Word and it’s purpose.  Furthermore you are missing the point - the Lord is more than scripture!  His plan goes far and beyond what was recorded and written down in words.  If you had the Spirit you would know and understand this and would not hold yourself in such high regard.  You proclaim to be an expert on the interpretation of different languages like the Greek and the Hebrew? – well here’s one for you; “fool” - it’s English and describes you perfectly, look it up....!

In response to your retort to the question put to you:  Do you speak in tongues? ... “given that "tongues" is such an insignificant issue with respect to my personal spirituality, the answer is largely moot!”  What has your personal spirituality got to do with salvation?  We were all born with the ability to hone into our own ‘spirituality’.  The Holy Spirit on the other hand (I can only assume this is what you are loosely referring to) dwells inside us and guides us – the Holy Spirit is given to us and therefore is not actually a part of what makes up our personal spirituality or inner awareness.

Well, do you speak in tongues... yes or no?  Whether or not you were once a Revivalist has nothing to do with this!  I would have thought someone of your supposed learned abilities would be able to answer a simple yes or no question.  Whilst tongues is not the be-all and end-all, consider tongues as proof/ evidence of the Holy Spirit – it’s just one part of the complete package if you will.  You impudently use the evidence of scripture to prove your point of view at any given time.... yet you and others are happy to proclaim your salvation to the world without any evidence or proof received from God that you have actually been granted it?  Come now....:(  And no, this is not what I know to be true based on what I was spoon-fed in RCI.  Reading the scriptures independent from any organisation or individual, I cannot deny the context with which tongues is referred to in the bible, neither can I deny the gift of tongues that I have received and my ability to communicate with the Lord in both tongues and in English.  Without the Lord providing me with the gift of tongues, how would I know that which I have received?  I say again, tongues is not the be-all and end-all, nor should it be regarded as more important than the other manifestations of the Spirit.  The way I see it, someone may say they speak in tongues therefore they are saved (broadly RCIs mentality), however unless they demonstrate all of the fruits of the Spirit in their daily walk, they fall short – tongues alone does not guarantee salvation.

Ian, you’re a hypocrite, pure and simple – no better than the revival leaders you condemn.  Before I left RCI I knew SL fairly well (was never in his inner circle though, thank goodness) and over the years his arrogance became quite apparent to me, especially during the last couple of phone conversations I had with him – it was sad.  By comparison, you and SL are much more alike than you would like to admit – both caught up in you’re status as human beings and the title that has been bestowed to you as custodians of the scriptures.  My 8 year old daughter has a better understanding of Christ than you could ever hope to gain through your knowledge of the scriptures, and do you know why?  It’s because she sees the Lord’s will and her relationship with her God through the eyes of a child....isn’t that (scripturally) the way we are instructed to read and implement His Word? (Refer Mark 10:14&15 and Matthew 18:1-6).  So it is you who needs to take a good long look at yourself – take your learned ‘literary professor’ hat off and put on the hat of a child.  The Lord is returning for the meek and the humble... not the person who claims to know more of the scriptures than everyone else.  Besides, knowing the scriptures is one thing putting them into practice is another – you clearly don’t have a grasp on either.

Many innocent people enter this website searching for answers.  You have simply taken advantage of their vulnerability and have preyed on them – it doesn’t take a genius (or a university lecturer?) to see the irony in this.  I have been reading much of what you (and those who support you) have posted on this site for some time now, however until now I have been able to walk away shaking my head and dismissing much of the dribble as nothing but verbal diarrhoea.  Well my conscience has finally gotten the better of me and I now feel compelled to speak up for many of those out there who, like me, have just stood back with amusement.  This is what I know to be fact - you are no more than a person who pervades the domain of intellectual speculation and diffuses himself through the channels of moral activity.  As such, you are causing more damage to those who seek your advice than they ever could have received from attending any revival church – and that’s saying something given the hurt and damage that I have personally experienced and have witnessed from those who either left or have been put out of RCI.  Your arrogance and foolishness beggars belief and you are as much an antichrist as the Pope himself.  Still blind and refusing to see....?

You say you are not a Longfield to warrant not setting up your own church, but in fact this forum is your own way of holding such a position.  You cowardly hide behind a flimsy facade as you preach false doctrine to those who logon to this website.  By not even taking on the responsibility of having a personal face to face relationship with those in your cyber-flock you demonstrate a lack of accountability for what you say and do.

Finally, have a read through 2 Timothy 2:14 through to chapter 3:9 and tell us, no more importantly try to convince yourself, how this does not apply to you.  Read it, read it again and if having read it a third time you are not pricked in your heart to change your behaviour, then there sadly is very little hope for you – and no, not even the “Lord’s grace” will save you from yourself.

Regards,

CV
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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

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Hi CV

As someone who has been helped by God through Ian ... Wow what a rant ...

Might I point out that Mk 10:13-16 and Mt 18.1-6 are talking about an attitude of humility, not the degree to which we bring our minds to the task of worshipping God. Scripture clearly encourages us to be both wise and mature, not childish.

Oh ... and might I suggest you think on  the implications of Jude's epistle. Eg, where does one discover "the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints" (ESV)?
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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

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Good morning, "CV".

Given that it's proven to be something of a slow morning thus far, I thought I'd respond, off-hand, to certain of your concerns, expressed both here and on the "Chat Box".

I suppose it best to begin with a few comments relating to accountability, given that you made the rather silly claim that I stand aloof from any and all forms of such. In stating as much, perhaps you were giving evidence of ignorance concerning what Scripture teaches on the subject? If so, then understand that according to Holy Writ, I shall be held accountable to God, and by him, for each and every word that I utter during this life. One can't appeal to a "higher Court", I hope you would agree?
Second, I'm accountable to the owner and moderator of this site, at whose discretion I continue to provide my input. You see I was personally invited to contribute here (were you, by the way?); the moderator being concerned that there was far too great an anti-Christian influence, and not very much of an intelligent Christian voice getting an airing. Third, I'm actually accountable to each and every person who goes to the trouble of tapping away at his or her keyboard, here. Anyone can challenge what I offer, anyone can attempt to rebuke or rebut my views. If what I post is "twaddle", then all such a one has to do is conclusively demonstrate "where" and "why".

So much for accountability.

Next, I'd like to address your particularly silly claim that I somehow over-rely on Scripture. Well, I'm proudly biblical in my beliefs, "biblical" being an adjective that describes an approach that is strictly in accordance with what we find revealed in Scripture. And in following such a direction I stand comfortably within the teachings of Jesus, and within the received tradition of the apostles. After all, wasn't it Paul who stated, "All Scripture is breathed out by God, and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work"? (2 Timothy 3:16, 17). Did you happen to notice those "trigger" words that I bolded for your edification? Second, you claimed that one must be somehow "spiritual" in order to understand what Scripture teaches, by which of course, you clearly meant a "tongues-speaker". Blah! I disagree. God chose to inscripturate his Word in human languages, mediated as it was through specific human cultures, and then at certain points in human history. Consider, if I were to say to you, "stand on a chair!", you would know exactly what was required of you, even if you didn't fully understand why you were being directed to do so. So too is the case with Scripture. And we can research the structures and meaning contained within the various biblical languages. We can research the particular cultures, their contexts, and the historical situations in which biblical revelation occurred. Scripture, then, is "perspicuous". However, a "fuller" level of understanding requires that a person is actually predisposed towards doing what Scripture directs. And, funily enough, I just happen to be such a person.

Moving on, you've claimed that I'm arrogant. Perhaps. Or perhaps it's simply the case that I'm remarkably confident (even comfortable) in my understanding and knowledge of the subject matter. But even if I am arrogant, so what? Would my purported arrogance change the truth of what I present? Wouldn't such continue to be be true anyway? Bloke, given my very extensive history in dealing with thoroughly obtuse, ignorant and arrogant Revivalists, I tend not to "pussy-foot" around issues of considerable import. To the contrary, in fact, I prefer to get right to the point and often in such a way that is calculated to make a significant impact! And for the record my methods work, bro', they've borne fruit in the lives of hundreds of former Revivalists. But the obnoxious? Well, they simply continue being obnoxious, and I have no particular interest in them.
But those who are seeking answers, they generally find them rather quickly.

Finally, you've claimed that I'm a hypocrite. Well, that is quite a charge, fella, and yet you've not provided a single shred of evidence to support your claim, nothing whatsoever that suggests that I don't "practice what I preach". So much for that claim. You also stated that I present "false teaching". Based on what, exactly? Would it be your wide-ranging, comprehensive and detailed knowledge of Scripture and theology?!
Yeah ... okay. Give it a rest, as you wouldn't recognise "sound doctrine" were I to smack you between the eyes with an open Bible! All that you have to appeal to, the only thing that you can appeal to, is your inherited and uncritically ingested Revivalist nonsense. Sadly, though, you present as being too thick even to realise as much.

In summary, yours isn't a "clear vision", my friend, simply an altogether "queer vision".

Comprende?

Ian

     

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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

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Quote:  If you had the Spirit you would know and understand this and would not hold yourself in such high regard.  You proclaim to be an expert on the interpretation of different languages like the Greek and the Hebrew? – well here’s one for you; “fool” - it’s English and describes you perfectly, look it up....!



Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

As I hear it, I'll repeat it, Its up to you if you believe it! Allegation big and small, soon revealed before us all. outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

Date Posted:22/10/2008 5:57 AMCopy HTML

Wow.  So much to add yet so little further time I am willing to waste.  Hmmm, should I waste my breath?  Maybe one last time for good measure.  I will part ways by saying a few final things.... again, for what it’s worth.

Firstly to Ian, in all seriousness I don’t think you are reading from the same book as I am – maybe we just have a very different interpretation of the same scriptures.  Your version of Scripture however, sounds very much like something derived from the Wonderful World of Disney; looks good, sounds good, a crowd-pleaser, warms the cockles of your heart, but is nothing more than make-believe.  We are just going to have to agree to disagree – a cop-out I know, but I can’t see there is any other way to ‘resolve’ our differences.  I, for one, have better things to do than continue to fuel your ego.  I have already invested way too much of my valuable time wading through this cesspool – time I could have better spent watching paint dry.

To outaegypt, if Ian was actually my “brother” in the Spirit, you would be justified in sending me a warning from Matthew 5:22.  I thank you for this message anyway.  A pertinent reminder that we all need pay attention to during those times when we feel ourselves getting a little hot under the collar (passionate) about things.  I have taken this on board and will take care in future.  Perhaps your friend Ian could also take heed of this message – I don’t think referring to someone as “swine” is any better than calling them a fool, do you?

For those of you who have happened upon this website looking for the Truth; turn back, go and look into His Word for yourself, seeking the Lord’s guidance along the way.  Don’t take another man’s interpretation of the scriptures as ’gospel’.  The Lord knows your heart and if you truly seek the Truth, he will reveal it to you.  If you seek salvation, ask the Lord for it and you will receive.  How will you know that you have received?  Well, that’s the ‘million dollar’ question – whilst I know the answer to that question, let’s just say the Lord will answer that for you Himself with signs following.  All I will say is that what you receive you will not be able to deny!

Allow me to refer to a very small but powerful passage written in Paul’s letter to the Phillipians (Chapter 4:8 - NIV):

Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable – if anything is excellent or praise worthy – think about such things.

It’s a shame there is precious little of these praise-worthy characteristics to be found in this website.

A warning for all those visiting this website, I refer to 2 Peter 2:1-3 (NIV),

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.  They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves.  Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories.  Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping...

And for those on this website who shall remain nameless, a scripture for you to consider whether this applies to you:  2 Peter chapter 2 continues... (verses 12 – 14)

... But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand.  They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight.  They are blots and blemishes, revelling in their pleasures while they feast with you.  With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed – an accursed brood!

Food for thought perhaps?  Anyway, as I said, I have wasted too much time as it is with you people.  My work is done here.  I bid thee farewell.

Blessings, (wink, wink)


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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

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Well, well.

Sadly, "CV", it's not particularly rare that I witness such a profound degree of ignorance concerning the contents of the Bible; neither is it rare to find Revivalists such as yourself "talking up a storm", but failing to produce anything of substance. Nowadays I simply take it for granted.

You know as well as I that if the discussion turned to Scripture, to exposing its meaning in a lock-step fashion, laying it bare for all to see and judge, that you'd be "outed" for what you are in a heartbeat. And it's for this reason, and no other, that you avoid engaging me as you would the plague. Instead you engage in that which you learned so well: ignorantly dismissing anything that doesn't revolve around your misguided and simplistic beliefs about "tongues".

You, my deluded friend, are a Revivalist par excellance. I'm even betting that you were "Oversight" too.

Hoo, roo.

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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

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Yo CV

Just on the off-chance that you might be curious about responses to your post ...

In a nutshell, IMO, you've plied us with platitudes and regaled us with irrationality. You've accused Ian of teaching false doctrine, yet refused to take the opportunity to specify what it is you take umbrage to, 'though I'm guessing it's that you think speaking in tongues is a sign that universally accompanies receiving the Spirit. Similarly, you've refused to demonstrate that any of the doctrine in Ian's posts is non-Scriptural.

I refused to directly engage the points made by Ian for around 6 years. I hope you don't wait that long.

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What an anti-climax! And here I was thinking that someone with a bit of 'wit' about them (unlike GWM) was going to put their Revival doctrine to a bit of old time bible scrutiny to see if it floated. Pity he doesn't have time for that... obviously he usually charges by the hour.

I bet this is the fella that claimed to read through Ian's recent document on 'Revivalist dogma and the book of Acts', but was unable to actually respond to anything in it directly. 

The sad part is that he seems one of those types that actually had the 'balls' to leave the Revival circle of churches,(maybe because he's sharp enough to see it as the cold controlling organisation it is, or whatever) but then get stuck in a frustrated rut because they're so indoctrinated with Lloyd's doctrine to actually see the simplicity in the mainstream Christianity that has been rolling on before, during and after their 'Revival'.
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This will show you blokes that RCI are not the only ones that preach Acts 2 38 salvation doctrine, RCI dosent have the monopoly on this. I think there needs to be another area on this forumn set up for Folk wanting to leave rci and needing help without coping interigation on their personal beliefs.

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Good morning, Fordka.

There are two points to consider with respect to what you've suggested. First, what the Revivalists preach isn't, in fact, what Acts 2:38 actually states. Consequently, their's isn't an "Acts 2:38 salvation message" at all. Properly speaking, what the Revivalists propose is an aberration of Peter's summary to the Jews at Pentecost. Second, you are perfectly correct in stating that Revivalists aren't the only ones to preach the "repent, be baptised and speak-in-'tongues'" nonsense. The United Pentecostal Church beat Llongfield to this "punch" by about 20 years! There are also a myriad of groups similarly as small as the three, principle Revivalist fellowships. However, what all of these groups have in a common is a "message" that never, at any time, existed in the history of the world (never mind the Christian Church) prior to about 1930! In other words, it's rubbish!

Revivalists do need to have their beliefs "interrogated" (as you put matters). They do need to be confronted with the fact that not only is what they believe thoroughly unbiblical, it's also thoroughly novel. In short, Revivalists need to be confronted with the truth. What they don't need; however, is to be falsely led into thinking that what they've always accepted is "fact". That they can simply move from one doctrinally dysfunctional group into another.

Revivalists need to be directly, intentionally and unambiguously confronted with their heresy, and given the opportunity to recant of it, and repent from it.

Then, and only then, can they approach Christ so as to be saved

Blessings,

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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

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This will show you blokes that RCI are not the only ones that preach Acts 2 38 salvation doctrine, RCI dosent have the monopoly on this. I think there needs to be another area on this forumn set up for Folk wanting to leave rci and needing help without coping interigation on their personal beliefs.

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Hmmmm.  Acts 2 38 salvation doctrine?  Also known as a message.  But ultimately we are talking GOSPEL aren't we?

There seems to be 2 gospels here.  The mainstream orthodox gospel, and "Acts 2:38" gospel.  They are clearly not the same thing.  One of them is the true gospel, and the other is a false one.  So before we go to interpreting the bible from Hebrew and Greek, with all the training needed to do this correctly, let us get the gospel right to start with.  It is the gospel that is simple to share with others, and unfolding the scriptures to be done with study.

So - if your gospel isn't correct, then any unfolding of scripture is going to be just as incorrect as it will be based on the incorrect gospel.

So - What is your gospel?


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“The United Pentecostal Church beat Llongfield to this "punch" by about 20 years!”

Excellent Ian, thanks for that Ill look them up, I also hear the AOGs believe that to live a good and holy life that you should receive the Holy Spirit, with the initial evidence that you will speak in tongues. and get Baptised by full emersion,  So Ill look them up as well

Excellent guidance brothers Job well done  (nice try Mr K)  :)

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Hi fordka

You're naiivity is showing :-(

The UPC and fellow oneness pentecostals split from the AOG's b/c of fundamental differences over their views re s.i.t. amongst various other matters. So, just how will you decide which is for you?

Personally, I'd recommend the apostles' doctrine as preserved in Scripture. Now if that *does* guide your thoughts, you'd be well advised to "interigate" whether *either* of those groups understands s.i.t. in the same way as the apostles did.

Of course if you fancy yourself as a snake-handler the choice is clear ...
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Hi, Fordka.

I think you need to re-read my response, specifically my comments regarding the UPC. It wasn't a recommendation (I sort of have this private rule about not recommending heresy).

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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

Date Posted:26/10/2008 5:00 AMCopy HTML

Reply to ClearVision
  if Ian was actually my “brother” in the Spirit, you would be justified in sending me a warning from Matthew 5:22.
Perhaps your friend Ian could also take heed of this message – I don’t think referring to someone as “swine” is any better than calling them a fool, do you?

 Anyway, as I said, I have wasted too much time as it is with you people.  My work is done here.  I bid thee farewell.

Blessings, (wink, wink)


ClearVision


I wasn't going to bother to respond.....how ever...... 

Once some bodies attitude has set to nasty, words are of little use. 
And as you say you've wasted enough time and sent your parting farwells. 
Your judgmental arrogance  of thinking you have made valid points will bring you back- they always come back-even if just for a secret peek!!
I wasn't actually defending 'my Friend Ian', I don't know him therefore I'm not willing to judge him unlike yourself.
The point was directed at your attitude and willingness to chance being BBQed just to indulge yourself of a dummy spit. 
I suppose the biggest difference between 'swine' and 'fool' is scripture, (small thing- I know) although from your comment obviously the weight of scripture is optional, interchangeable and an idle threat to be ignored unless of course it serves your purpose at the time.

Fair thee well....... Not that you will  return to read any response of course!
As I hear it, I'll repeat it, Its up to you if you believe it! Allegation big and small, soon revealed before us all. outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

Date Posted:15/12/2008 2:02 PMCopy HTML

Reply to Episkopeo (29/06/2008 22:28:14)
 I think when one guides themselves there is no longer need for guidelines.

Reply to Sir-Loin,

I think the RCI world leader, deputy world leader and other pastors are having trouble guiding themselves.  They flew in the face of their own guidelines with the recent Duker affair.

Episkopeo

and all the people said:
amen!
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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

Date Posted:19/03/2009 9:54 PMCopy HTML


Simon

The Duker situation is not going to go away.

maybe you could get him to give his "testimony" on Sunday saying that he used to be a big bad property developer and he lost  a lot of other people's money including a large number of RCI members but now he has been "saved" and is truly repentant and it won't happen again blah blah blah.

I am sure that you and your fellow pastors, all highly intelligent men, will be able to rationalise the small matter of he allegedly being saved during the time he was implementing his poor investment decisions.

Maybe his baptism was invalid because he may not have been fully immersed or whatever.

I am sure that you get the idea.

Mole 
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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

Date Posted:23/04/2012 8:05 AMCopy HTML

 what  a total waste of space!
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Re:A message for Simon Longfield

Date Posted:23/04/2012 8:17 AMCopy HTML

Hello, Guest.

what  a total waste of space! The fact that this thread reached 70-odd individual posts would suggest otherwise :P

Ian
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