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Where does it state clearly in the Bible for a believer to be a member of the 'Church', a believer has to wear the qualifier "spirit filled" ??. In fact I can't find anywhere in the Bible the term "spirit filled"..

OK we know about Ephesians 5:18 but let's save the exegeses for later when everyone has had a chance to voice or have their say..

Blessings

Eric
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1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1Co 12:13  For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1Co 12:14  For the body is not one member, but many. 

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Tony,

Bollocks. In 1 Corinthians 12-14 Paul teaches that Spirit baptism into the Church results in a diversity of spiritual gifts within the one Body. And according to him such unity in diversity is a fact that is to be celebrated, not dismissed, as it is by the likes of you. What these chapters don't speak to, touch upon or describe; however, is your unbiblical category/distinction between 'Spirit-filled' and supposedly non 'Spirit-filled' believers, predicated as this mistaken belief is on the incorrect assumption that 'tongues' equals 'Spirit-baptised' equals 'Spirit-filled'. I find it particularly ironic that you Revivalists baulk at using the word 'Trinity' to summarise what Scripture does describe, but then quite happily trot out another unknown-to-the-Bible expression to summarise a distinction which Scripture doesn't describe, and nowhere teaches.

You fellows aren't 'big' on logical consistency with respect to theological reflection, are you? Still, such is hardly a surprising 'revelation' (ἔγκατα μωροῦ ὡς ἀγγεῖον συντετριμμένον καὶ πᾶσαν γνῶσιν οὐ κρατήσει. Sirach 21:14).

"The tongue of the wise dispenses knowledge, but the mouths of fools pour out folly." Proverbs 15:2

Goose.

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Sirach 21:14

 

The mind* of a fool is like a broken jar; it can hold no knowledge.

 

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*mind;  SYR Lat: entrails’  

 

Mmm, Interesting, Sometimes one does wonder where the brain is located

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What is the best church to go to post revival?

Also, what church do you and your family attend Ian?

MJ
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Jingles,

What is the best church to go to post revival? That which you should attend instead of 'Revival': a Christian church. Also, what church do you and your family attend Ian? A Christian church, of course.

"Why should fools have a price in hand to buy wisdom, when they have no mind to learn?" Proverbs 17:16

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What is the best church to go to post revival?

 

You could also say the church that has it’s principles based on the ‘Creeds’, ‘Nicene creed', etc.

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What is the best church to go to post revival?

Also, what church do you and your family attend Ian?

MJ


I chose our local Presbyterian Church as I felt after prayer, God had led me there. But as anyone who has been in revival knows, you can be tricked into what you think is God's will and what is something else! I like the democratic structure of the Prezy Church, as well as its focus on the Bible. We dont believe it contains the word of God, but IS the word of God. Also we see the importance of Jesus' teaching on social issues. You cannot be a Christian and not assist  your fellow man. Not all Prezy churches are the same, and they wont suit everyone. We have had several Baptist ministers preach in our church (There is something you wont see in any rev centre) and I have been very impressed with all of them. I would suggest visiting any orthodox church in your local area until you find where you fit in. Its not like rev centres where all sorts of tricks and guilt trips will be put upon you to stay. I guarantee you will be made welcome with no obligation to stay.
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What is the best church to go to post revival?

Also, what church do you and your family attend Ian?

MJ


I wouldn't be seeking advice from Ian Mr Jingles he won't even respond to your question. I think he goes to a Baptist Church.


The problem with seeking advice from people who have a BIAS is that their advice comes with baggage.

Luke 7:35

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"Why should fools have a price in hand to buy wisdom, when they have no mind to learn?"

 

I think there is a term for it; being a ‘Drone’ isn’t it?

 

Those that sit back and have others do the work and expect to be fed for nothing.

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Tony,

I wouldn't be seeking advice from Ian Mr Jingles he won't even respond to your question. I think he goes to a Baptist Church. As has been your demonstrated trait for as long as I've been responding to you, what you 'think' is invariably wrong. The problem with seeking advice from people who have a BIAS is that their advice comes with baggage. You seem keen to prove as much each and every time that you post your nonsense. Clearly there's an awful lot of unresolved Revivalist 'junk' in your particular 'trunk'.

"A scoffer seeks wisdom, and finds none, but knowledge is easy to him who has understanding". Proverbs 14:6

Goose.

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Ralph,

"Why should fools have a price in hand to buy wisdom, when they have no mind to learn?" Proverbs 17:16

I think there is a term for it; being a ‘Drone’ isn’t it? Those that sit back and have others do the work and expect to be fed for nothing. That's not what our proverb teaches. The general principle is that fools can't buy wisdom when they have no real desire or capacity for it. Metaphorically, the saying also questions the worth of any pursuit of wisdom on the part of a fool, who by virtue of being a fool is constitutionally unable to acquire it.

Jingles isn't interested in converting to Christianity, nor of seeking to fellowship in a Christian church. I thought the proverb quite apt, then, given the circumstances.

Blessings,

Ian
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Sirach 21:14<!--?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /-->

 

The mind* of a fool is like a broken jar; it can hold no knowledge.

 

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*mind;  SYR Lat: entrails’  

 

Mmm, Interesting, Sometimes one does wonder where the brain is located


What book are you quoting from ralf?It wouldnt suprise me if you loons thought that the apocrypha was the inspired word of God.
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Tony,

What book are you quoting from ralf?
You can't read, then? Or was the comment simply intended to be supercilious? It wouldnt suprise me if you loons thought that the apocrypha was the inspired word of God. Funny that you should mention as much, given that three-quarters of the world's Christians do consider the apocryphon, Sirach, to be canonical. However, I included the quote because: (a) the writings of Joshua Ben Sira do stand admirably within the pre-Christian, Jewish 'Wisdom Tradition'. And, (b) as an informed Protestant Christian I'm quite familiar with the work, and so I recognise it's value in developing one's understanding of sapiential theology.

You should try opening your mind a little. Were you to do so, I might be less inclined to point out that Proverbs 15:2(b) describes you rather well. You fellows are Revivalists for a reason, you know.

Goose.

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Ian,

My mind was on how my friend Tom comes across, always wanting to know about, but not making the effort to work and find
things out for himself. Your right, the verse is quite apt.

As a side note. I’m sure Luky doesn’t “listen” to even what is written on here let alone the scriptures.

 

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Tony,

What book are you quoting from ralf?
You can't read, then? Or was the comment simply intended to be supercilious? It wouldnt suprise me if you loons thought that the apocrypha was the inspired word of God. Funny that you should mention as much, given that three-quarters of the world's Christians do consider the apocryphon, Sirach, to be canonical. However, I included the quote because: (a) the writings of Joshua Ben Sira do stand admirably within the pre-Christian, Jewish 'Wisdom Tradition'. And, (b) as an informed Protestant Christian I'm quite familiar with the work, and so I recognise it's value in developing one's understanding of sapiential theology.

You should try opening your mind a little. Were you to do so, I might be less inclined to point out that Proverbs 15:2(b) describes you rather well. You fellows are Revivalists for a reason, you know.

Goose.

Ian
Thank you Ian you have finally confirmed what we already knew.
By the way my name isnt Tony,and no I am not a revivalist.

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 Hey Ralf what about Mr Hubbards books he wrote some good sci fi books as well,maybe the book of morman?Confuscius had some quotes.
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 Hey Ralf what about Mr Hubbards books he wrote some good sci fi books as well,maybe the book of morman?Confuscius had some quotes.
Honestly pal, I don't know what you're on about. What's your point?

I've had a look into all those books, they show for what they are; in ignorance like you.


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Good morning, 'Not Tony'.

Thank you Ian you have finally confirmed what we already knew. You're certainly welcome. I'm always willing to confirm that Christian Scripture, biblical and theological studies in general, and simple logic in particular disproves Revivalist theories and beliefs. By the way my name isnt Tony, and no I am not a revivalist. Really? You sounded and behaved exactly like him (arrogant, ignorant, uninformed about the subject matter, etc). So do you have a name, then? And if you're not a Revivalist, a claim about which I'm unconvinced, then what is your interest in/attraction to this site?

"We mourn for the dead because they have no access to light. We ought to mourn for fools, because they have no access to intelligence. In fact, we should go into deeper mourning for fools, because the life they lead is worse than death. The dead are at least at rest". Sirach 22:11

Goose.

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'Not Tony', once more.

Hey Ralf what about Mr Hubbards books he wrote some good sci fi books as well,maybe the book of morman?Confuscius had some quotes. I'll admit to being curious as to why you are targeting young Ralph, given that I'm the one who introduced the quote from Sirach. In any case why would L. Ron Hubbard's books be synonymous with/a valid parallel to, Sirach? The former is modern fiction, the latter was considered 'necessary reading' by Second Temple Period Jews and early Christians (the Apostle Paul certainly thought very highly of the work). And the Book of Mormon? What are the parallels there? Finally there is Confucius to consider. I've read a bit of Kong Qiu myself, and there is certainly some benefit to be gained from heeding much of the wisdom that he shared. However, when all is said and done Joshua Ben Sira and Kong Qiu wrote from two completely divergent worldviews, so I'll have to 'tilt' to the former over the latter.

In closing, you don't strike me as being a particularly well-read or educated person, never mind a deep and critical thinker. Perhaps it would be better for you to listen and learn, thereby exhibiting a modicum of what Scripture (and Sirach) calls wisdom, than to continue on as you have been thereby leaving us all in no doubt as to your foolishness?

"Trying to teach a fool is like gluing a broken pot back together, like waking someone out of a deep sleep. Explaining something to a fool is like explaining it to a sleepy person, when you have finished, he'll say, 'What was that again?'" Sirach 22:7 & 8

Goose.

Ian

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Ian is still a dick.

Oh and happy easter to those of you who still celebrate it
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'Not Tony',

Ian is still a dick.And that's the best rebuttal that you could marshal, huh? Oh and happy easter to those of you who still celebrate it. Well, you're nothing if not inconsistent.

Goose.

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'Not Tony',

Ian is still a dick.And that's the best rebuttal that you could marshal, huh? Oh and happy easter to those of you who still celebrate it. Well, you're nothing if not inconsistent.

Goose.

Ian
You have got the wrong guy,How come a bastion of truth as your self is best buds with a man who has a web sight which ridicules religion associates it with porn?
Whats the old saying?Birds of a feather flock together.

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What is the best church to go to post revival?

Also, what church do you and your family attend Ian?

MJ


I wouldn't be seeking advice from Ian Mr Jingles he won't even respond to your question. I think he goes to a Baptist Church.


The problem with seeking advice from people who have a BIAS is that their advice comes with baggage.

Luke 7:35


Tony,

If the 'baggage' as you put it amounts to sound and thorough theological exegeses that comes through refined academic theological establishment then I more than welcome a good solid sound rebuttal from Ian Thomason because you see exegeses is in many ways of no worth to me personally if I am not prepared to have my theological arguments tested.

People who deliberately choose to scoff at academic achievement and the absolute vital role and place that belongs to the academia within the corporate Body of Christ, should take note and lesson from history. Because Tony, if it wasn't for the Christian academic world we would not even have the basics of an English Bible to read.

Ian is doing me a great service in the area of textual criticism. Now Tony if the original autograph texts had survived and were available, then I would not need the service and help of a textual critic but as I have not the TC skills as it is not my area of specific specialization then I need someone with those specific skills to approach to consult with. Now Ian is allowing me room to explore TC so that I may have the knowledge base to approach such skilled persons. Doing thus lends great credibility to my own theological journey of discovery.

Eric


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'Not Tony',

You have got the wrong guy. Not according to your IP address. How come a bastion of truth as your self is best buds with a man who has a web sight which ridicules religion associates it with porn? I'm friends with all sorts of people. In any case my interest is in this site, and not with any other websites that regulars of this forum involve themselves with. Whats the old saying? Birds of a feather flock together. Those whose minds are open aren't afraid to test their ideas with those who might believe differently. Furthermore, Christians shouldn't be afraid of mixing with non-believers for fear of being 'tainted' by them (think of Jesus). This philosophy informs my practice, here. Clearly the more self-righteous of heretics tend towards thinking differently.

In closing I believe it a little inconsistent for you to be worrying about my Christian witness when you've openly 'thanked god for being an atheist' on another thread. So is it inconsistency or hypocrisy, do you think?

Goose.

Ian 
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"You have got the wrong guy,How come a bastion of truth as your self is best buds with a man who has a web sight which ridicules religion associates it with porn? Whats the old saying?Birds of a feather flock together."

Ian associates himself with little old sinners such as myself? 'Tis an honour, to be sure.

I'm not so sure, however, that he and I are 'best buds', but I'm happy enough that anyone thinks as much. I consider him friendly and a fine online acquaintance in this little microcosm of the Internet. We're hardly flocked feathers, as the only thing we seem to have in common is that I sometimes post at the same place as he... and as you. Nice going trying to dig dirt there dude. My only and best bud is a gorgeous brunette beauty (and is NOT Ian... and is female... and is not Christian... and neither am I... and how many ellipses can one have in a parenthesis I wonder?).

I did look at that offending religious-porn blog post recently and thought to delete it seeing as it's so offensive to some, although it is admittedly satire and not to be taken seriously. It gets a reaction, and any reaction is a good reaction as far as I'm concerned. Most intelligent Christians ignore or rebuke the silliness of such a blog, and Ian fits into the latter of the two. Actually most smart Christians don't visit my blog at all.

I've been revamping my blog to take away the anti-Christian element, and have been using it as a pop-culture site for movie reviews and the like. Take a look... hardly any porn!
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People who deliberately choose to scoff at academic achievement and the absolute vital role and place that belongs to the academia within the corporate Body of Christ, should take note and lesson from history. Because Tony, if it wasn't for the Christian academic world we would not even have the basics of an English Bible to read. 

Or perhaps Eric some people dont view academia with the same respect you do. Do you honestly think the same bitching and power plays don't go on there? It is one of the nastiest places on the planet. Intelligence + ego + corruption by power = most of the REALLY nasty things that happen in the world. I suppose you think politicians are honest and worthy of respect too. These people live in this world because they know where real power and "credibility" lie and they crave it with all their heart because what they want most in the world is the status, kudos and worship of others. That is to be expected I guess because that is what is most important to them, and most people are not only ego driven, but proud of that fact.

In my own naivety I always expected better from christians, that they would not be driven by the things most people are, but instead value humility, kindness, gentleness and be full of God's love. Apparently that makes me silly to expect better.Last time I checked however the fruits of the spirit do not include ego, need for others to see our "credibility", and a desire to laugh at others who do not see the world the way we do.

In my own journey though I have discovered that very very few christians really even care about who they are. As long as they can remain "credible" in front of others, conform to their own christian group and
not think too hard or ever have to actually examine their real motives and agendas they are quite happy thank you very much.

I had lunch with two beautiful christian friends on Saturday, and we discussed at length the reasons and possible remedies for the lack of true self examination or humiity in the church. It always comes back to the same thing, lack of interest in being honest with oneself. If we cant even get that right Mr Eric, what is the point of the rest of it?

Jesus told us to learn from because he was gentle and humble in heart. The ability to pull THAT apart to the last greek phoneme presents me with no trouble whatsoever. I learned as a child what that meant, both BE humble and gentle, and expect it from other christians.

Ian and I both make the same mistake, he thinks its okay to drop the gentle when he encounters what he believes to be wilful ignorance (anything outside his take on the way a person SHOULD think), I do the same when I encounter what I perceive to be wilful arrogance (anything outside my take on what constitutes humility). We are both wrong. 



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People who deliberately choose to scoff at academic achievement and the absolute vital role and place that belongs to the academia within the corporate Body of Christ, should take note and lesson from history. Because Tony, if it wasn't for the Christian academic world we would not even have the basics of an English Bible to read. 


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Or perhaps Eric some people don’t view academia with the same respect you do. Well I engage with the theological academic world on a very regular basis and I have studied alongside of Catholic, Salvation Army, Methodist/Uniting Church, Greek Orthodox, Baptist, Church of Christ, Assembly of God (Australian Christian Churches). Denominational boundaries just don’t feature, only defensible argument and thesis prepared and proposed by theologically matured scholars.  Do you honestly think the same bitching and power plays don't go on there? Why should it? You are referring to mature men and women of God deeply engaged in their learning. The Theological Academic world is a global enterprise that inter connects with various international tertiary institutions from Oxford to Fuller, Australian Catholic University to University of SE Queensland, University of Newcastle, Sydney College of Divinity, Morling TC, Australian College of Theology and of course without forgetting to mention Tyndale College.  And that is only a very brief listing but nevertheless provide a corporate objective purpose of orthodoxy in Christian theology and learning.  It is one of the nastiest places on the planet. Only if you happen to hand in a bad paper. Some tutors can become nasty meanies.  Intelligence + ego + corruption by power = most of the REALLY nasty things that happen in the world. Not in the theological academic world. I suppose you think politicians are honest and worthy of respect too. Only on Tony Abbott’s side of the fence.  These people live in this world because they know where real power and "credibility" lie and they crave it with all their heart because what they want most in the world is the status, kudos and worship of others. I suppose if you talking about Julia Gillard now.. That is to be expected I guess because that is what is most important to them, and most people are not only ego driven, but proud of that fact.

 

In my own naivety I always expected better from christians, that they would not be driven by the things most people are, but instead value humility, kindness, gentleness and be full of God's love. Apparently that makes me silly to expect better. Last time I checked however the fruits of the spirit do not include ego, need for others to see our "credibility", and a desire to laugh at others who do not see the world the way we do. No but being teachable with an open mind does have some expression of the fruit of the Spirit. After all the Bible is an objective address to all aspects of human life including the pursuit of learning.  

 

In my own journey though I have discovered that very very few christians really even care about who they are. As long as they can remain "credible" in front of others, conform to their own christian group and not think too hard or ever have to actually examine their real motives and agendas they are quite happy thank you very much. Are you referring to Ian ??

 

I had lunch with two beautiful christian friends on Saturday, and we discussed at length the reasons and possible remedies for the lack of true self examination or humiity in the church. It always comes back to the same thing, lack of interest in being honest with oneself. If we cant even get that right Mr Eric, what is the point of the rest of it?

 

Jesus told us to learn from because he was gentle and humble in heart. The ability to pull THAT apart to the last greek phoneme presents me with no trouble whatsoever. I learned as a child what that meant, both BE humble and gentle, and expect it from other christians.

 

Ian and I both make the same mistake, I hope not.  he thinks its okay to drop the gentle when he encounters what he believes to be wilful ignorance (anything outside his take on the way a person SHOULD think), I do the same when I encounter what I perceive to be wilful arrogance (anything outside my take on what constitutes humility). We are both wrong. I don’t think so.


Eric.



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 Ian,it is very brave of you to admit that you condone blasphemy and porn,Moth its not me that you have to explain it to, God is the judge,any way Ian what else are you hiding up your sleeve,have you studied voodoo,black magic,witchcraft how open minded are you?
Ian dont you have mirrors in your home?
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Ian, it is very brave of you to admit that you condone blasphemy and porn. Well that's certainly an interesting statement to be making, given that I've admitted to neither (you must have very strong legs, what with all that leaping to conclusions that you engage in). Moth its not me that you have to explain it to, God is the judge. Then you should stop judging, eh? Pete, in common with you, isn't a Christian. He's pointed out as much. However, if and when he becomes one, then I'm certain that he'll be prepared to lay bare his soul to the Creator. I hope the same is true for you, one day. any way Ian what else are you hiding up your sleeve, have you studied voodoo, black magic, witchcraft. Like Revivalism? Sure. One has to understand the inner machinations of any false religion if one is going to be able to refute it. how open minded are you? Quite, actually. Now ask me how tolerant I am of wilful ignorance and/or religious error. Ian dont you have mirrors in your home? One or two. How else would I know how tall and good looking I am?

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 Ian,it is very brave of you to admit that you condone blasphemy and porn,

Quite clearly... you're an idiot.

Moth its not me that you have to explain it to, God is the judge,

He can't be half as judgmental as you. And hey, 'I' didn't write the Song of Solomon. God is the author of those 'racy' love poems. Btw, Ian rebuked me for writing that particular post years ago, and rightly so.

any way Ian what else are you hiding up your sleeve,have you studied voodoo,black magic,witchcraft how open minded are you?

What's the next charge, idiot? Ian's a Nazi? A closet Justin Bieber fan? An Illuminai? You're an idiot.




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Pete,

Revivalists! You can't reason with 'em; you can't shoot 'em.

Blessings,

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Ian I always loved god with all my heart soul mind and strength, and parts of me still do love that internal construct. I could care less what you think, you are not inside my heart and mind. It is men like you that have made me doubt the reality of the holy spirit working in people, because I cannot see the fruit of humility in your life. You are one of many who do what you do to impress each other, sit in your little chairs there full of self congratulations and congratulations for eachother on what a great job you are all doing.

For starters, I have a sister with antisocial personality disorder that I have been looking after and cleaning up the constant mess she makes of the lives of every person she touches for pretty well the whole 47 years of her life. I ended up bringing up her eldest child because she was unable to do so. I know a lot more a personality disorders and mental illness than you realise. I am also a friend of the mentally ill and disabled because most people don't bother with them, there is nothing to gain socially by hanging around with those others consider the dross of society really is there? But then you would know that.

It has placed me in an interesting position to watch the reactions of those in charge of christian organisations to those who are in any way "different", those who fail to fit the mould, those who think differently. As we both know there is nothing more annoying to an organisational structure than those who will not comply. I sat and watched for years in an organistiaon supposedly based  on love and acceptance as student after student with behavioural problems or mental or emotional illness was treated like a liability and basically ignored and stuck in a corner while the powers that be searched and searched for a reason to "get rid of" the "thing" that would not comply. I saw this behaviour mirrored in churches time after time, and at no point could I reconcile in my mind that behaviour with what I believe jesus would have done, or what I believe he would want us, as christians, to do.

But human beings are respectors of persons, because their social acceptance and the appearance of righteousness are more important to them than just about anything. Credibility matters more than anything. I look at that man who ignored and illtreated those students, yet who stands in this community as a some kind of example, with pity. He hates anything that will not do what it is supposed to, and he does so because the mental illness of his own mother ans sister are such an embarrassment to him, he turns his face away. Tell me Ian, where is his heart, his courage, the stripping away of his pride so his heart can be filled with the love meant to be shed abroad in his heart by the holy spirit? That man, who is supposed to be an example who stood there and practially dismissed my own depression and emotional breakdown, even after he had watched me slowly dissolve in front of his eyes for months on end? I have seen exactly the same behaviour, over and over again pepetrated by uncaring leaders of churches for DECADES. For a long time I wanted to hide it from myself, but one semester at university studying organisational behaviour years ago when I was still in revival made it all quite clear. I wanted to trust, but what was before my eyes broke my heart.

It was never about the love of god at all. That is what the sign on the door says, but it is a lie. Love extends as far as conformity is offered. Anything harder than that has a tolerance period of three months tops, then the one who will not conform is basically ignored untill they just go away, or deliberately attacked so they can be thrown out. Even though everyone knows what goes on, the elephant in the room is ignored because that is just the way it is. It happened in revival, it happens everywhere, because there is no love. This world runs on pride, self interest and greed. The churcfh is no differnt no matter how wellthey try to hide it.

As far as I can see, the is behaviour is part of human nature but totally unconscionable for christians. Yet they continue to do it, year after year with the tacit agreement of everyone, even though at its base, it is completely unloving. WHere are the leaders of the churches, sobbing on their face in their prayer cloest, for their lack of love, their stupid pride??

As usual you and your ilk will take anyone you don't think conforms to social norms to your satifaction, label it bad sad or mad and do the best you can to get rid of it. You will do anything but love it from a pure heart Ian, because that will actually cost you something.
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Tracey,

Still keen to be judging something, about which you know nothing?

I find it rather telling that, whilst you refuse to 'answer the mail', you would continue with your pointless attempts at justifying what is nothing more than a fixated, antisocial and altogether psychologically unhealthy behaviour. Note, that on this forum you are the abuser, and not the abused.

Rhetorical as it may well be, pointless as it may well be, I'll ask of you the same questions that I've put to you so many times in the past. Who have you helped to leave 'Revival', Tracey? Who have you helped to make sense of their 'Revival' experience, so they can get on with living full and fulfilled lives? What do you do here other than continuously gripe about me?

"To an ignorant person, wisdom is as useless as a house gone to ruin. He has never even thought about the things he is so sure of." Sirach 21:18.

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Ian please keep those quotes coming.
I bet you are a fan of  Reverant Lovejoy.
 
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Ian please keep those quotes coming. You can count on it. I bet you are a fan of  Reverant Lovejoy. Nope. My favourite 'Simpsons' character is Professor John Frink. Followed closely by Moe Szyslak.

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Tracey,

Still keen to be judging something, about which you know nothing?

I find it rather telling that, whilst you refuse to 'answer the mail', you would continue with your pointless attempts at justifying what is nothing more than a fixated, antisocial and altogether psychologically unhealthy behaviour. Note, that on this forum you are the abuser, and not the abused.

Rhetorical as it may well be, pointless as it may well be, I'll ask of you the same questions that I've put to you so many times in the past. Who have you helped to leave 'Revival', Tracey? Who have you helped to make sense of their 'Revival' experience, so they can get on with living full and fulfilled lives? What do you do here other than continuously gripe about me?

"To an ignorant person, wisdom is as useless as a house gone to ruin. He has never even thought about the things he is so sure of." Sirach 21:18.

Goose.

Ian
You are the one who doesn't answer the mail Ian and you never will. Too busy being a game player. And of course everything I said in the last post is a lie, even though you know in your mind you have been watching your whole life. Those of you who continue to mete out the behaviour I specificed will continue to do so. No balls to face the truth. If you are ever on the receiving end of it Ian, watch all your mates head for the hills.

What I do Ian is challenge you to be better than this crap. But you won't will you?


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Tracey,

Full of assumptions, but never mind the facts, eh?

Once more: who have you helped to leave Revival? What do you do on this forum apart from continuously gripe about me?

"When an intelligent man hears words of wisdom, he approves them and adds to them; The wanton hears them with scorn and casts them behind his back." Sirach 21:15

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