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Date Posted:25/06/2009 7:03 AMCopy HTML

Having popped back into this forum after a couple of years away, I have been appalled to see what it has turned into. When first here I was able to speak with other revival centre survivors and have pretty reasonable  conversations.

Now I find it has turned into something else altogether. It is one thing to have an invited "expert" to refute the doctrine of tongues in a a bid to draw further people out of the revival mess.

It is another thing altogether to have said "expert" demean and abuse already abused people.

My time in the Revival Centre has left me with severe post traumatic stress disorder. God only know what it has left other survivors with.

I wonder if it is just always the case when you put a pack of humans together, one or two have to rise to what they believe is "the top". A position where it is okay to treat people badly because you think you have the right. A place where you thinkyou wield power, and at times you do because some others with no inner security of their own place you on a pedestal and then worship you.

Nothing gives us the right to treat other people badly. Not a degree in anything, not the fact we are holding a gun, or run a church. Why do any of us need to be abusers at all? Why would we even want to be? Haven't we been through enough already?

I thought the whole point of following Christ was to do things differently. Not need to be the best, not need to show how great we are, not need to be ego driven and glory in the worship of others. One of the reasons I no longer attend church is that I cannot find a group of humans that can rise above this tired old way of doing things.

Thank you to the people here with whom I have managed to have a reasonable conversation.

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Date Posted:05/08/2009 6:13 AMCopy HTML

U didnt answer the questions Ian. Who do you model yourself on if not Jesus/ Who was Jesus talking to? Well come on mr bible man it can't be that hard can it? Or like the JW's are you looking up one of your little books to explain it to you?

Just because the old razzzle dazzle works on a lot of people here ian, doesnt mean it works on me.

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Date Posted:05/08/2009 6:18 AMCopy HTML

Galien,

Now, now. What's good for the "goose" is good for the "gander". That is, unless the "goose" is a hypocrite. I responded fully to your question concerning the passage from Matthew. You, however, have not responded to my question. The one asking why you believe Christ's obligation for Christians to be in corporate fellowship isn't binding on you. You're nothing if not consistently inconsistent!

Whom do I model myself on? Easy question with an easy answer. Given that I'm not possessing of a divine nature, in accordance with Scripture I try to model myself on the apostle Paul (check out 1 Corinthians 4:15 and 16).

Goose.

Ian

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Date Posted:06/08/2009 5:37 AMCopy HTML

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Galien,

Now, now. What's good for the "goose" is good for the "gander". That is, unless the "goose" is a hypocrite. I responded fully to your question concerning the passage from Matthew. You, however, have not responded to my question. The one asking why you believe Christ's obligation for Christians to be in corporate fellowship isn't binding on you. You're nothing if not consistently inconsistent!

Whom do I model myself on? Easy question with an easy answer. Given that I'm not possessing of a divine nature, in accordance with Scripture I try to model myself on the apostle Paul (check out 1 Corinthians 4:15 and 16).

Goose.

Ian



From the NRSV 2 Corinthians 3:15 - 18

"But their minds were hardened, Indeed to this very day when they hear the reading of the old covenant, that same veil is still there, since only in Christ is all set aside. Indeed, to this very day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their minds; but when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And all of us, with unveiled faces, seeing the glory of the Lord as though reflected in a mirror, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord, the Spirit..

Sorry Brother Ian, YOU DO have a Divine nature living within and constantly at work within you producing Christlikeness in your life and God is showing Jesus to the world through your daily life.. And you are his child !! Yes sanctification is indeed a process as well.

bless you dear brother

Metanoia

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Date Posted:06/08/2009 7:23 AMCopy HTML

Metanoia

"And all of us, with unveiled faces, seeing the glory of the Lord as though reflected in a mirror, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord, the Spirit.."

Thank you for this refreshing interlude. "With unveiled faces" is a worthy aim in this life. It suggests so much to me. Nothing to hide, openness, confidence, assurance.

Chips

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Date Posted:06/08/2009 10:18 PMCopy HTML

Eric,

Thanks, but not really what I had in mind with respect to stating that I do not possess a divine nature. There's quite a bit of difference between me possessing a divine nature, and a divine nature possessing me

Blessings,

Ian

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Date Posted:06/08/2009 10:46 PMCopy HTML

Why does one need to have a divine nature to emulate Christ? Its not rocket science.
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