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Anyone seen the impressive website for the 2008 RF International Convention?  

http://convention.revivalfellowship.org/   

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:27/04/2008 6:50 AMCopy HTML

Whoopi-Doo!.:nuts:

(Sorry, couldn't help myself.)
Poor souls, basking in a spiritual orgy of deception.Cry

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 There are among its members some pretty cluey IT guys that will donate their skills and time to produce some good PR stuff for them.  They are nowhere near as 'behind-the-times' as they used to be in terms of marketing.

Not that changes the cult that they are!
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:27/04/2008 9:31 AMCopy HTML

True, I wonder if they had the same talent among them in the first century. Probably didn't need to.Undecided
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:28/04/2008 2:36 AMCopy HTML

Reply to Brolga.

The talents are definitely directed in a different way than in the first century.  The claim that Revival is the closest you will get to the early church defies belief.

The planning and staging of conventions is becoming slicker and more grand by the year.  With various capital cities now hosting this annual event, there is a danger (dare I say, a certainty) of rivalry (one-up-man-ship)  This year is Perth's glory.

Epi

Ps.    I believe Darwin was approached to host this year's convention but decided they simply couldn't afford it.
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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 DELUSION  (Wikipedia)

A delusion is commonly defined as a fixed false belief and is used in everyday language to describe a belief that is either false, fanciful or derived from deception.
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:29/05/2008 6:50 PMCopy HTML

 RF International Convention - 7th, 8th, 9th June 2008

The big event draws nigh and the first contingent of Revivalists and visiting Revivalists should soon be hitting the streets of Fremantle, yea, to make proselytes of the people therein.

Yea, with their loins girded, yea, and their feet shod, yea, and clad with zeal as a cloak, yea, even taking with them the shield of Revival, yea, and boldly making many utterances.

Take upon ye new tongues and signs and wonders, saith them all, and yes, even the helmet of salvation according to us.  Thus saith them all to the people of Fremantle!

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:30/05/2008 2:48 AMCopy HTML

 RF Convention 2008

BEWARE oh ye of Fremantle.  Walk not thither past that place where they lurk, and entereth not.  Drink thou not of the cup of bondage lest thou forget thyself and be snared.

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:30/05/2008 3:39 AMCopy HTML

Thus saith the oversight: 

The 2008 convention is being held in a HOTEL, saith the oversight
It is alright to go into a hotel when WE say it is, saith the oversight
But under no circumstance are you to go into a hotel without our permission, saith the oversight
Or you will be PUT OUT, saith the oversight

What a joke! What an oversight!
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Wonder how many of the 'party faithful' they'll get to attend?
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:30/05/2008 7:31 AMCopy HTML

 Reply to Guest   (Wonder how many of the 'party faithful'  they'll get to attend?)

I'm sure the local RF have been strumming up business over the past weeks and months to get all and sundry hyped up for the big event. I'd say most people would want to get where the action is, catch up on all the goss. from the eastern staters and perhaps get a spiritual high if someone gets into the tank.  Also, there's plenty of glitz attached to the event to be a big attraction for the 'party faithful' to get excited about.

While on the subject of glitz, the last time it was held in Perth (2005) there was a shortfall the locals were slugged a $40 levy each, which I heard most paid, and Perth people were told by their leader it wouldn't be held there again for a very, very long time!  


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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:30/05/2008 12:56 PMCopy HTML

Reply to Guest,

(The 2008 convention is being held in a HOTEL, saith the oversight.
It is alright to go into a hotel when WE say it is, saith the oversight.
But under no circumstances are you to go into a hotel without our permission, saith the oversight.
Or you will be PUT OUT, saith the oversight.)

How true is the above.    Hmmmm, a HOTEL.  But what of the appearance of evil?

 "Abstain from ALL appearance of evil."        1 Thessalonians 5:22.

This is just too much.  It's just not according to Revival philosophy.  Who's to say that some poor saint with a long suppressed penchant for the taste of an ale might slyly slip into the bar for a quick tipple while the meeting's in progress.  This, seeing the convention is in a hotel, being a real temptation.

"We put no stumbling block in anyone's path, so that our ministry will not be discredited"     2 Corinthians 6:3

Dear me.  We've been quoted the appearance of evil and the stumbling block so often.  Seems like double standards to me.

On entering the then RCI one of our first instructions was not to set foot in hotels and to rid our house of all alcohol,  as some saints have had problems and no-one wants to put any stumbling block or obstacle in our brothers' way.  We thought that was fair enough, and obeyed.

Strangely, the oversight who spoke to us on this matter was later seen by a saint (and reported) in a hotel partaking of the substance with workmates, and with a cigarette in hand, no less.  He was duly put out, but unfortunately his marriage broke up.  He is now happy in another church where there are no rigid rules on having a drink and it's not a big issue.

Nevertheless, a Hotel, really RF this defies belief.

Oversighted  

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:30/05/2008 2:01 PMCopy HTML

Has anyone any amusing, oddball and entertaining stories to contribute from conventions past?

Soon after our entry into the RCI we heard of the convention which was then held in Melbourne each year under the leadership of Pastor LL.  There was much talk about the upcoming convention and we were continually asked if we were going.  As we had younger children we had decided that neither would attend but a lady living close by was going and asked if we would mind having her teenage child for six days.

The six days became ten days which became two weeks,  then two and a half weeks and three weeks went by without any contact whatsoever.  She and two others had simply gone without trace arriving back after three weeks extended holiday in which time they took bus trips and short flights halfway around the country.  One apparently had an interest to follow up and the others went along for the ride. The pastor had to phone around to get them back.  One was a Sunday School co-ordinator so there was much consternation in the ranks at her disappearance as the organisation of Sunday School was not being run decently and in order.  

That was our first experience of a Revival convention.
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:30/05/2008 2:33 PMCopy HTML

 Oversighted,

YES funny ain't it!

Maybe some ex revvers ought to call in for a beer that weekend!

Dog.
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:30/05/2008 3:17 PMCopy HTML

 Hi Dog,

(Maybe some ex revvers ought to call in for a beer that weekend!

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That suggestion brought a laugh.  What a scenario.  I can think of a few who would be in it.  Of course,  there would be much saintly horror at the unfruitful works of darkness in their midst, but I bet there could be a few saintly ones who would wish they too could come over and have a beer or two at the bar.

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:31/05/2008 1:41 AMCopy HTML

 Well in fact.........

We ex-revvers are the predecessors.  About a year ago, a bunch of us went to that same hotel for our get-together.  Had a few and lunch together.


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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:31/05/2008 2:09 AMCopy HTML

 And we had fun to hey dog, it was a great time and a good meal to boot

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:31/05/2008 4:33 AMCopy HTML

Actually, here's a real shocker for ya all..........

Recently, I was invited to the home of a long time & current RFer for a small function.  Mostly RFers there, and a few others, including the non-RF partner of the hostess.  I was offered a beer, that I gladly accepted & enjoyed.  Apart from a few sideways looks, without event.

Really, despite the RF nonsense, there are some members that are much more open-minded, and have a more universal conscience.  Its just that they are in the RF comfort zone, (I guess) and until some issue directly challenges their associations, they stay.

Dog.


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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:01/06/2008 11:58 AMCopy HTML

Hey dog, not that much of a shocker actually!  Some RF people are more tolerant than others whilst some are totally and utterly intolerant. 

The funny thing is that nowhere in the Bible does it say ' thou shalt not drink alcohol' and yet RF says ' thou shall not drink alcohol - and if you get caught you will be put out' (depending on who your related to of course!) 
In Adelaide a couple years back, a whole heap of young married ladies took to going to clubs and drinking. They were eventually sprung and the funny thing was that not all of them were in trouble. Some were put out, others were covered up depending on who they were. Bit confusing - double standards!

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:01/06/2008 6:31 PMCopy HTML

 (Some RF people are more tolerant than others whilst some are totally and utterly intolerant)

Hi Urch,

Most that I have known would frankly be too darned scared to admit to being tolerant of alcohol or anything which would conflict with the views of the leadership.

The double standards that come from some being put out and others covered up depending on who they were, well it's those confounded rules again and so many of them.  They are bound to be broken and when they're broken by those in the lower ranks they will be dealt with severely, and even put out.  However, when it involves the leadership, friends and family (and they can break rules too) well there's a big temptation, indeed a tendency, to cover up.  The head pastor of each state has all the power and is accountable to no-one.

Hopefully this daring venture into having their convention at a hotel will help ease the inhibitions of some who would previously not have set foot in a hotel or gone within a faint sniff of alcohol.

Epi
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Hi Epi, Urch

IMHO a tendency to double standards is a natural result of at least two aspects of our human (from a Christian pov - fallen) nature: 1) we judge others with a harsher standard than we judge ourselves ; and 2) we just don't see all the facts.

What's culpable is that accountability to fellow RF members (part of biblical concept of submitting to one another, I believe) isn't, I gather, built into most RF leadership culture and structures.

Also IMHO, the head pastor of each state only has the power given to him by the the other pastors of that state and the authority ceded to him by the Pastors Council.
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Also IMHO,  the head pastor of each state only has the power given to him by the the other pastors of that state and the authority ceded to him by the Pastors Council.
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Hi Tally

So, are you saying that in effect, the head RF pastor of each state is answerable to other RF pastors in the state?  I've seen cases where regardless of what other pastors may say, the head pastor will have the final say in a matter and even if the other pastors disagree, they have no choice but to submit to the head pastor.

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Urch

Under current arrangements, as I understand it, no the organisational requirement for submission is strictly one-way, as you suggest.

But ... if there's enough courage ...

... ultimately ... a pastor can stand up and say, "This is not right. I will not do it." The majority could stand up and say, "No." There may well be consequences in terms of disaffiliation, and there seems to be a general misunderstanding of verses such as Hb 13:17 , but there's always choice, as per the events of 1995. (In Australia we don't even have to worry about firing squads Wink) There would be fewer consquences if the state pastor is out of favour with the Council, but that's another story.
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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For there to be courage there must first be conviction!  I have heard  of at least one pastor standing up for what he believed to be right - not usually over doctrinal matters though.

How effective is the council and who is the official 'head' or chair these days?

Urch

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:02/06/2008 8:28 AMCopy HTML

 Hi Urch and Talmid,

With reference to the last four posts.  When the head pastor of a state goes to the Pastor' Council he can submit or omit whatever he chooses and no-one would be any wiser.  I know some errant assemblies have come to notice, but on the whole, with the preoccupation with perfection, would a state pastor want to be sprouting any extreme difficulties he might be having managing the groups under his control.  You only have to hear the report from the front on return after the Council had gathered on one of their trouble shooting missions, it invariably goes something like:- "the pastors council meeting went very well and everything is truly wonderful." 

Like Urch I also have known the odd pastor stand against the leadership, sometimes with dire consequences.  Most others, even if they agreed with this pastor would not consider it a wise move to risk the ire of the top.   I have also seen the opportunity grasped to discredit a pastor and have him removed - by fair or foul means, usually foul as the end justifies the means.  Can't have division, and if you disagree with the leadership that is division and that person must be cut off. In one case the ex officer and his family were asked to LIE if asked by others the reason for his stepping down.   A certain brutality can come to the fore when one who is of a strong and controlling nature feels thwarted.  Might sound dramatic but I have witnessed it first hand.

From its inception in, when was it, 1958,  there's been a history of autonomy - the pastor is never wrong attitude and if you are to strongly lead you can't be weak or admit mistakes.  Pastor LL being the overall head.  This self government still exists in many areas (not all - there are some really lovely smaller assemblies). 

With the events of 1995 there was safety in numbers there. It wasn't a lone voice.  They had done their homework well and they had their backing.   I had been told on good authority that there were other issues below the surface besides the morals one.  A complaint from one pastor's own lips was that he and others were indignant and hostile at Pastor LL's grooming of his son to lead the RCI.   This is subtly occurring today in RF churches.

Epi



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Re:2008 RF International Convention

Date Posted:02/06/2008 11:46 AMCopy HTML

 I've seen cases where regardless of what other pastors may say, the head pastor will have the final say in a matter and even if the other pastors disagree they have no choice but to submit to the head pastor.
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I agree Urch.  It's how I've seen it also.

Epi
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Re 2008 RF International Convention.

The meetings at the annual Pastors Convention in Fremantle, W.A., have been, and are well and truly in progress as I write.

In my opinion an excellent course of action would be for the entire time, with all the pastors together, to be spent in reading and rereading scriptures relating to RF doctrine;  prayer and asking God to reveal his will.  Perhaps during the prayer times, instead of full on pounding God in tongues equal time could be set aside to LISTEN TO WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY.  No need to ask God to "confirm His word".  If the heart is in it God will speak and they will know, if they have ears to hear.

Revelation 3:6  (to the seven churches)
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches"

Who knows, God might tell them to change their thinking.  If they have any brains, their name also.

Epi
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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 Yes they have some good IT people alright - I studied with Phil McKenzie, he is very intelligent in the Computing arena- no question. Nice guy. Shame he's still in a cult.
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Yes, I believe there are brilliant IT minds in RF, however, with all their technological brilliance I wonder if many have looked beyond the surface of Revival doctrine on salvation.

Saved by grace through faith might be just too simple, hence enter Revival with their "but there's more and it's right here in scripture in black and white and we only can show you how to press in and receive and you'll be part of God's elite".

Keep posting Deanoz.  I know there are people in there who have doubts.  Although the programming is to give no credibility to those "backslidden" -  there might be someone doing it tough inside and quietly checking out this forum, especially as RF don't offer much consolation to those having difficulties.  There counsel often being to get on with their walk and go out and witness to 7 people per week and they'll get a buzz if someone comes along (and keep that person occupied nurturing the babes) 

Some, hopefully, might get up and walk out.

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Hi Epi

I spoke to a young woman a couple of weeks ago and she told me that she'd been on this forum checking things out for a year or so before she finally left. She'd been 'born into' RF/RCI over 20 yrs ago, Dad's in oversight, all family in. She'd tried to leave a few times but it was hard to make the break at 16-17 yrs old. She's now gone on to great things, attends church, has a very practical and wise outlook on life and is married to a lovely young man.

It makes my little urchin heart so glad to see people move on and live happy, well-balanced lives after leaving as it can be quite a traumatic experience for us all.

God bless you Epi

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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Hi Urch,

Thanks for posting about the young woman. It's heartening to hear as it does require bravery to come out when all family are still in.  

We don't deliberately slam RF/RCI etc just for the sake of it (even though they do have some funny little ways) but it's good if someone can be challenged to look deeper at their doctrine and challenge it and the control and pressure they (Revs) place on people. 

God Bless

Epi
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Good evening, Deanoz.

Yes they have some good IT people alright - I studied with Phil McKenzie, he is very intelligent in the Computing arena- no question. Nice guy. Shame he's still in a cult.

Yes, a 'paradox' of Revivalism: ostensibly intelligent people who believe and support sheer lunacy! One thing that I always tell Revivalists who approach me for help is this, Revivalism not only affects what you believe, it also affects how you believe. Put simply, Revivalist 'folk' are conditioned not to think too long or deeply WRT certain aspects of the religious beliefs and practices. If and when they do; however, then the fun really begins!
Foot in mouth

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P.S. I have a theory as to why this occurs too: Revivalists are conditioned to accept emotional experience as being definitive of "truth" and/or reality. Challenge the validity of that "experience", and you're actually challenging their entire construct of what is real. Pretty sad, really
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Hi Guys
You all seem pretty wrapped up with us still
It makes me think you still have a place in your heart for us
As for the comments on alcohol. You're quite right it doesn't say not to drink alcohol anywhere in the bible.
It does however say not to be drunken two completely different things. So why not have a drink?
Well it comes back to people who have struggled with alcohol before they came and are now greatful to have
been relieved from it. So why should we re introduce it to them
I know of some people who do enjoy a glass of wine with dinner

Just a thought

Jarrod


What location are you all from?
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Re:2008 RF International Convention

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Hello, Jarrod J.

Ian T here

You all seem pretty wrapped up with us still. It makes me think you still have a place in your heart for us.

I'm sure that some of us do still have that very special "heart place" for you. Otherwise we wouldn't overly concern ourselves with the fact that you're right now headed for a "Christless eternity", as some are wont to put it.

As for the comments on alcohol. You're quite right it doesn't say not to drink alcohol anywhere in the bible.

Indeed it does not.

It does however say not to be drunken two completely different things. So why not have a drink?

Why not, indeed?

Well it comes back to people who have struggled with alcohol before they came and are now greatful to have been relieved from it.

Bollocks. It comes down to legalism, pure-and-simple.

So why should we re introduce it to them.

Who says that anyone is? The simple fact of the matter is that Scripture actually commends alcohol in moderate use, and then as being a gift
from God. Those who can't consume the stuff in moderation should abstain. Those who can, however, are not directed to do so.

I know of some people who do enjoy a glass of wine with dinner.

So do I. But if some of those people who you know are RF-ers, well then, they're apparently in "rebellion", aren't they?

Blessings,

Ian

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You all seem pretty wrapped up with us still

Yeah, I myself am deeply fascinated by the Revival 'animal' and hold interest in studying these sort of unhealthy belief systems. I think I'd be the sort of guy who would always be fascinated by sharks should one bite my leg off.

It makes me think you still have a place in your heart for us

Absolutely we have a place in our heart for you, and all members lost in Revival.

As for the comments on alcohol. You're quite right it doesn't say not to drink alcohol anywhere in the bible.

I'm glad you can admit that. In fact, Paul said not to let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink.

It does however say not to be drunken two completely different things. So why not have a drink? Well it comes back to people who have struggled with alcohol before they came and are now greatful to have been relieved from it. So why should we re introduce it to them.

What if someone has struggled with obesity before 'coming along'? Should you enforce a diet on them and forbid chocolates at suppers? The key is in moderation of indulgence, not in the forbidding of it, perhaps that's why Paul said not to let anyone condemn it - truly a wise guy.

I know of some people who do enjoy a glass of wine with dinner

Really? Wow, wild brave souls!
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 Oh snap.

I was writing my reply while Ian was, but it's fun to see a couple of opinions and how similar (or disimilar) they are, and surely JJ apreciates some attention from we Revival enthusiasts.
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Hiya, Batmothman.

I was writing my reply while Ian was, but it's fun to see a couple of opinions and how similar (or disimilar) they are, and surely JJ appreciates some attention from we Revival enthusiasts.

Indeed! But I had to stifle a chuckle at Jarrod's rather weak attempt to reason away RF legalism viz. the moderate consumption of alcoholic beverages. Actually, I think I engaged the young rooster on the Brisbane RF Forum a few years ago, when I methodically took apart a piece of unbiblical drivel on the very same subject written by a (then) Melbourne pastor

Anyway, just like the Pharisees whom Jesus castigated in his day, the RF seem overly keen to "build a hedge around the Law" (if I may be excused for alluding to the Talmud).

Blessings,

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 Jarrod J. if a person has been "relieved", as you put it, of alcoholism then there should be no problem with that person being exposed to people consuming the stuff. To your way of thinking, they are either healed or not, right? These counter-intuitive rules revivalists swallow without any question make you look soooo stupid. Your post made me so glad I left Revivalism and proud to be a happy Atheist.

Furthermore - do you really need a blanket rule to have the common sense/decency to not put an alcoholic in front of a bottle?


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Hi Guys
You all seem pretty wrapped up with us still
It makes me think you still have a place in your heart for us
I know of some people who do enjoy a glass of wine with dinner
What location are you all from?
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Hi Jarrod, I'm from Adelaide, and you?  I take it you are still at one of the revival groups then?

If you know of people in your fellowship that drink alcohol with dinner, you should dob them in to your oversight (ha ha). It is strictly forbidden to drink even a glass of wine - as I'm sure you know. Do you ever ask yourself WHY all these rules are in place, and why people feel the need to 'break' them?

Yes, I for one, do have a soft spot in my heart for all revival folk. I was one for a large part of my life but I can tell you something, my walk with God only started after I left!  If only I'd known then that I could have such a close relationship with God - but I had no idea.

May I ask why you decided to post on this forum if you're still there? Surely you're content enough? Or maybe not!

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Hi Urchin, I am still in rf. To tell you the truth I don't really care what people do at home or in their  own time.
The rules are there as a guideline as any rule and it's bound to be broken.

I break the rules as well who doesn't (honestly) but I just don't go bragging to every one
I quite enjoy hevy concerts which are often played in compromising places who cares
I can live up to that. Things have changed at rf quite alot of late and ther is a lot less restriction to the yp
Iam erally happy that you have a close relationship with god and my parents have the same response as yourself
They too have a stronger walk with god now they have moved on.
I am pleased with my relationship with god and content to stay where I am but I still like to communicate with
old members and hear of your experiences.

call me a bit rebellious but that's me
All pastors know where I stand and I have never had any trouble.
Just stand up for what you believe in


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Urch, if I may?

Hi Urchin, I am still in rf. To tell you the truth I don't really care what people do at home or in their  own time. The rules are there as a guideline as any rule and it's bound to be broken.

Okay, Jarrod, so you only care about public appearances, then? How things are "perceived" by the assembly, but not how things really are? Interesting

I break the rules as well who doesn't (honestly) but I just don't go bragging to every one I quite enjoy hevy concerts which are often played in compromising places who cares I can live up to that.

Who doesn't break the rules? Well, I guess those who believe them to be "scriptural" and, therefore, binding. Clearly you don't, then?

Things have changed at rf quite alot of late and ther is a lot less restriction to the yp.

Hmmm. Sounds like the greatest change of late has been in the standards of honesty and integrity displayed by the "Youngies" themselves 

call me a bit rebellious but that's me. All pastors know where I stand and I have never had any trouble. Just stand up for what you believe in.

I don't think I'd call you rebellious, necessarily, but given your admissions I might be inclined to call you hypocrite. How does that sit with you?


Thanks for the frank admission regarding what you believe ... er ... don't believe in, Jarrod.

Blessings,

Ian

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Jarrod: I am still in rf. To tell you the truth I don't really care what people do at home or in their  own time.
The rules are there as a guideline as any rule and it's bound to be broken. I break the rules as well who doesn't (honestly) but I just don't go bragging to every one.I quite enjoy hevy concerts which are often played in compromising places who cares I can live up to that.

Urchin: Hi Jarrod, have you ever stopped to wonder why such rules exist? e.g. not going to rock concerts in compromising places etc. I'd like to suggest that these rules exist because the RF does not understand about equipping and encouraging the YP. They think that the safest thing is just to 'forbid' them to go to certain places & do certain things. In fact, if the  oversight 1) got the gospel message correct and 2) equipped people to live their lives for GOD instead of for RF(fear of the rules & being 'found out') and 3) let people live their own lives without interferring in every single thing they do and 4) encourage them to have a close relationship with the living God and realise that it is to Him (only) that we are accountable - then there would be no need for these pathetically silly 'rules' that literally everyone breaks at some time or another. The Pharisees had their rules, laws and their religion which prevented them from entering into true relationship with God, it's a shame that RF cannot see the similarity.

Jarrod: Things have changed at rf quite alot of late and ther is a lot less restriction to the yp.

Urchin: Yes, I've heard that many things are changing and there is 'less restriction for the yp' but I believe that this is only going to make the situation worse, not better.

Jarrod: I am erally happy that you have a close relationship with god and my parents have the same response as yourself
They too have a stronger walk with god now they have moved on. I am pleased with my relationship with god and content to stay where I am but I still like to communicate with old members and hear of your experiences.

Urchin: Does it strike you as peculiar that many people only really 'find' God once they move on from RF?  If you are 'pleased' with your relationship with God (I notice you use a little 'g' rather than a capital 'G'??) that's good but is God pleased with it - that's what really matters! It's Him that you have to stand before one day.
Why do you enjoy communicating with us 'old members' (backsliders), surely you get more than enough fellowship with your current friends. Be careful Jarrod that your main reason for staying in RF is not because of your circle of friends. That is one reason that I stayed longer than I should have - my closest friends (for over 20 years) in RF said they couldn't see us any longer because they would be 'unequally yoked with unbelievers' cos we go to a different church to them. How very, very sad for them, but it's only what they were told by their oversight!

Jarrod: call me a bit rebellious but that's me. All pastors know where I stand and I have never had any trouble. Just stand up for what you believe in

Urchin: Jarrod, being rebellious to an organisation is one thing but being rebellious to God is DEATH - please think deeply on this as I'm truly saying it in love.
Yes, your pastors may know where you stand, but I've seen this happen time and time again. If  your parents have left rf (as you said) then you would be considered to be a 'trophy' - a person they want to keep, hold on to and hold up as an example of one who knows that they're in the only true church etc.  Therefore you won't get ín trouble' no matter what you do cos they want to use you as a trophy. Does it feel good to be 'used' ?

I truly hope that you don't take offence at what I've said, I have a real heart for revival people especially the younger ones and I pray for them often. Don't do as I did and spend over 20 years in a place that only cares about its reputation and indeed, sacrifices people for the sake of the organisation - when you can have an awesome life and relationship with the living God'

Regards, Urchin


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