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Reply To Glad%2Dto%20be%20out
(Date Posted:18/09/2009 22:51:58)
Hi, Glad.
Thanks, but it's probably not necessary. Galien will no doubt eventually do what all 'catty' types do when they finally realise that they simply can't sustain their arguments with anything approaching facts: 'spray' the place with a foul stench and leave 
Hmmm. Still, lots of people have pointed out to her that she's mistaken, and she's still here, so maybe the ModGod might wish to clean up this thread and give it a new home after all? But I don't think the ex-GRC whiners will appreciate you placing this space under a GRC header 
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:18/09/2009 23:51:08)
 Ah, but Ian, you and Galien have been using the GRC site to spar in, SO, I thought a dedicated thread would be good. Seems that not many, if any, GRCers, ex or otherwise, are using the site anymore. The ModGod can get rid of it if he/she likes. -- I think that I was just a bit bored, miserable weather here and all that. Cheers, Glad 
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:19/09/2009 00:32:52)
As I posted the other day, even after a cannibal ate Galien, she would disagree with him. Still, she sure makes me appreciate my wife even more!
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 02:39:08)
John,
As I posted the other day, even after a cannibal ate Galien, she would disagree with him. Still, she sure makes me appreciate my wife even more!
Glad to be of service. And do you know, there is a school of thought which believes if two people never disagree, then one of them is probably superfluous.
Luv u long time
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 05:48:05)
Galien,
Glad to be of service. And do you know,
there is a school of thought which believes if two people never
disagree, then one of them is probably superfluous.
However the Bible talks of people who are in agreement are of, one accord, or in the case of marriage, the two are one flesh. No superfluity mentioned in the Bible. No sireee. Jesus spoke of He and the Father being one. Jesus talked of Him being in us. He spoke to Peter and the other disciples, of looking out for one another.
That is why we are to meant to fellowship.....church....ekklesia...that's the way He wanted it. It's the way it's meant to be. Without it we are vulnerable and undernourished. We are told not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, it's a commandment.
You know commandments, they are the things God tells us to do, they are good for us to obey, because He knows more than us what is good for us.
Jesus went as far as to say that if we love him, we will keep his commandments ...... if we love him ....if.....
His commandments are not grievous are they?
You wouldn't be silly enough to disobey Him because it didn't suit you, would you?
John
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 15:37:50)
However the Bible talks of people who are in agreement are of, one accord, or in the case of marriage, the two are one flesh. No superfluity mentioned in the Bible. No sireee. Jesus spoke of He and the Father being one. Jesus talked of Him being in us. He spoke to Peter and the other disciples, of looking out for one another.
You know John there is life, and there are concepts OUTSIDE the Bible, and I am not afraid of them. Looking out for one another. Now there is an interesting concept. I am yet to see that on a deep level int he church, only the odd rare occasion.
That is why we are to meant to fellowship.....church....ekklesia...that's the way He wanted it. It's the way it's meant to be. Without it we are vulnerable and undernourished. We are told not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, it's a commandment.
I don't believe it is a "commandment". The very fact the bible mentions some people were already avoiding fellowship even back then speaks volumes. People in groups are painful John. Some people can handle it, some can't . Can you imagine me in a church with an Ian? Been there, done that. What is the point of me constantly arguing over the very need for top down heirarchy in the body of christ BEFORE we even get close to anything else? Humans and their need for pecking order annoy the hell out of me. I simply cannot abide the politics. For me it cheapens god, all the more when people use the word of god to justify it. You and I know full well I would get kicked out of every church I went anywhere near. They are not changing their ways of doing things and my distaste for stupid human behaviour isnt changing either.
You know commandments, they are the things God tells us to do, they are good for us to obey, because He knows more than us what is good for us.
As I said, the word commandment is not in the verse that says it. To me a commandment is something we MUST do, and as I have said before, I know what I need to do to maintain the small shreds of sanity christians have kindly left me. But christians don't care about that stuff, my heart, soul and mental health are side issues, as long as I do what I am told, that is the only issue really isn't it? Have you any idea how many people there are in this life permanently alienated from chrches because of exactly that attitude. I know many christians of longstanding - over 20 years - who are SO tired of the bull in churches they won't go back. It isn't just me. Churches will use you up and spit you out, they have become like corporations. The people don't matter, just what they can do for the organisation.
I believe that the god I know and love would not reject me for protecting my own mental health. If he does, then he has been an illusion these last 40 years. If he were to reject me, then thats okay too. I have no interest in a god that is that small. But as I have said John I believe he is much bigger than to have his equilibirum disturbed by where my bum sits on a Sunday. We are judged on the content of our heart, and I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
He knows my heart, NO ONE else does, think what you will.
After having had my soul raped by revival, I will NEVER let another human being take away my confidence in my lord and my god again, no matter how you lot try. Imagine the consequences for me if I were to allow you to do that.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 16:21:44)
Galien,
The passage, "... do not forsake the gathering together of the assembly..." in Hebrews 10:25 is an imperatival statement in Greek. In other words, it is a command; it's not optional; it's something that we must do! If you bent the knee to Christ, and submitted to decent Christian teaching (i.e. the kind that one finds in an orthodox church), then you'd learn enough to avoid making so many biblically ignorant and generally stupid comments (of the sort that fly in the face of the facts).
And as for your quip to John about the very real likelihood of you being booted from every church that you'd enter, you might like to consider that out-and-out rebellion generally results in eventual dis-fellowshipping. Such is perfectly biblical a thing for churches to do, as such protects the sheep from the horns of the goats. The fact is that you'd need to be brought down a 'peg' or several in order to learn that it's not all about you, that your opinions aren't necessarily valid, and that Christianity and Christian fellowship remains on Christ's terms, not yours.
Ian
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Reply To Didaktikon
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 16:26:24)
Reply to Didaktikon
Galien,
The statement, "... forsake not the assembling of yourselves together..." is an imperative in Greek. In other words, it is a command; it's not optional; it's something that we must do!
Ian
so the name is "Tracey" ... so Tracey which part of Aussie are you from ? and which revivalist group did the dirty on you ?
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 18:37:51)
Meta,
so the name is "Tracey" ... so Tracey which part of Aussie are you from ? and which revivalist group did the dirty on you ?
I'm from Wagga, and it was a revival centre.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 19:30:23)
Hi Tracey
Did you do your time in the Wagga Revival Centre "under" (so to speak) Cor Smit, with the Burketts as his henchmen?
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 19:40:54)
Thommo,
Did you do your time in the Wagga Revival Centre "under" (so to speak) Cor Smit, with the Burketts as his henchmen?
Sure did. 1985 to 1993. I still have nightmares about Leigh Burkett. And yes Coarse Wit and I were great mates as you can imagine. I am still pretty friendly with Leigh's sister Kellee, but as for the rest of the Burketts what has happened to them since leaving has been pretty bizarre.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 20:06:42)
Tracey
From memory Cor was a nasty misogynist with short persons syndrome. I had a bit to do with the Wagga mob when I was a little tacker, I found them all to be strange! I remember a guy called David Raply(sp?) What happened to the Burketts post Revival?
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 20:45:04)
Tommo and all,
Why is it do you think that the Revival groups change people so much? It's like a bending of the mind in the name of unity. I've seen lively, happy, vibrant people come in and in a very short time they are quite changed into rather sombre human beings. All those meetings, and the Revivalist only associations are definitely a ploy to get into the mind.
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 20:57:08)
Thommo
From memory Cor was a nasty misogynist with short persons syndrome. I had a bit to do with the Wagga mob when I was a little tacker, I found them all to be strange! I remember a guy called David Raply(sp?) What happened to the Burketts post Revival?
That about covers Cor. He is back terrorising them again in Wagga. In early 1993 he was sent to Canberra but no one knew why (of course). I have heard rublings regarding improper dealings with children, but who knows? Leigh Burkett took over, at the time he had very bad neuralgia from being hit in the head with a brick (no I didn't throw it but the temptation was almost overwhelming at times). He was addicted to painkillers which made his behaviour quite strange and he was already a dictator and completely full of himself. He is a worse misogynist than Cor ever was. He was the one who put me out, and called me a swine complete with pig noises in front of the whole assembly including my children and husband. He was removed from pastorship which was then given to Shane Burkett. About 18 months after I got kicked out about 60 people left the assembly including Shane and I don't think he has been back to church since then either. Shane has a successful insurance business now but he has always thought he was a cut about the rest so I tend to avoid him if possible. Bryant's marriage broke up, he has had some pretty heavy issues but they are not really for public discussion. He is finally getting his life back on track now, which is a good thing.
David Rapley moved to Canberra I think. I have had a glimpse of him on facebook recently. He is a nice fella, don't think he still goes to church at all but his mum does, she is back in Wagga in the assembly here last I heard.
How long have you been out for Thommo?
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 21:04:51)
Hi Epi
Interesting point - I guess it's about conformity. I found, over the years, that anyone I liked or got along well with ended up leaving. It's only with the benefit of life experience that I realise I am drawn to confident, strong minded people for friendship... it would seem that anyone with those character traits is either moved on for one reason or other or leaves because they see through the Revivalist B.S.
I think it is a fascinating study in group mentality to look at Revival Cults... It would seem to me that the doctrine creates the culture which in turn reinforces the doctrine. For weak people the notion of I am right and everyone else is wrong must be very appealing, particularly at the beginning when most new converts are at a low point in their life.
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 21:14:56)
Thommo,
I think it is a fascinating study in group mentality to look at Revival Cults... It would seem to me that the doctrine creates the culture which in turn reinforces the doctrine. For weak people the notion of I am right and everyone else is wrong must be very appealing, particularly at the beginning when most new converts are at a low point in their life.
Unfortunately it isn't only common to revival cults, but many organisations both secular and non secular. Many people seem to get right off on the whole I'm right, everyone else is wrong, particularly when they can justify using the word of god.
Strangely enough I always thought the whole concept of having to be right was one of the things god diminished in a person as they went on in the things of god. Doesn't seem to work that way though. People will be people.
Some seem to love to sit by in self satisfied smugness knowing they are safe and secure in the knowledge that either they are right, or they are on the right side. I'm sure the gentlemen who flew those jets into the twin towers felt just as justified, and "right". Fundamentalism is a dangerous and evil thing, no matter where one finds it.
Once what you believe becomes more important than the way you treat others, then what you believe ceases to have meaning.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 21:20:22)
Hi Tracey
Been out for nearly a decade. My parents and in-laws are still involved so I keep abreast of the various things going on in the church. I am able to have great academic discussions with my old man about it but we always agree to disagree, its not an issue for us though, he can see I am happy.
I guess you can lump the Burketts in with a lot of others whose lives are not the better for being Revivalists. It is interesting that yet another person I liked (david rapley) has moved on. (refer to previous post in response to epi)
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Reply To tommo
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 22:36:18)
Hi, Thommo.
I'm looking forwards to visiting the Wagga RF from time-to-time next year. Cor and I have at least one discussion that we need to finish.
Blessings,
Ian
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 22:47:10)
Hi Ian
I'd like to be a fly on the wall for that discussion with Cor. You are based up in that neck-of-the-woods I assume. Did you ever visit the Albury RC when it was run by Pastor Bruce Mitchell, I think he has retired now but one of his underlings Bob Angus is still about up there running a Rev Fellowship, I think you might enjoy a chat with him, he was a real revival hard-liner.
I put your answers to my questions about the "anti-alcohol" rant to good use (without revealing my source) as you can imagine, in typical revival fashion, it was not taken under consideration but rather objected to without base.
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Reply To tommo
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 23:02:33)
Hi, Thommo.
I knew Bruce Mitchell from his Toowoomba days, but I can assure you that Rob Angus isn't interested in talking with me. In dividing his time between his duties as an Albury City Councillor, and pastoring his "flock" of 6 to 7 "sheep", he's likely kept busy enough
I take it that you're not surprised at the outcome and short shrift given the biblical context to the entire "wine" debate?
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Reply To Didaktikon
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 23:08:35)
Thommo,
I should add, Angus was very vocal in objecting to Albury Council allowing a "strip-club" to be established at a local brothel, and rightly so! However, he sought support from the Christian ministers and churches of Albury in his efforts to have the proposal rejected, never once letting on that he believed them to be less "Christian" than the brothel/strip-club owner!
Certain members of the Albury "Minister's Fraternal" used to question why it was that Angus kept aloof from their association. Not anymore.
Blessings,
Ian
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 23:15:32)
What? Galien is a female?
Ah...it must be cos I am not part of the ex-grc group I find a lot of what is written here either in code or very difficult to decipher.
Clearly I have not been reading closely enough, as I thought Galien was a bloke...LOL! Sorry Ms. Galien.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 23:25:13)
Hi LSlurper
Given that this is a Revival Churches discussion forum, are you an ex or current revivalist? Whats your story?
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 23:34:39)
LS
What? Galien is a female?
Ah...it must be cos I am not part of the ex-grc group I find a lot of what is written here either in code or very difficult to decipher.
Clearly I have not been reading closely enough, as I thought Galien was a bloke...LOL! Sorry Ms. Galien.
Hehe, some people think I have more balls than most men, so it may be hard to tell. I don't experience myself that way at all but apparently I come across that way.
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RE:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 23:40:37)
Ian
I'm looking forwards to visiting the Wagga RF from time-to-time next year. Cor and I have at least one discussion that we need to finish.
Should be fascinating. You have SO much in common.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:20/09/2009 23:41:24)
Galien,
How droll.
Ian
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site
(Date Posted:22/09/2009 02:43:16)
Tommo: "Hi LSlurper
Given that this is a Revival Churches discussion forum, are you an ex or current revivalist? Whats your
story?"
Er...Tommo as explained previously (so 'cuse me for repeating myself!) I am a sibling to 2 current and very long term grc members who basically left our family to join the cult about 10 years apart. They are both married to other grc members and only one of their huge number of offspring has left.
So yeah, I know grc to a certain extent - as a younger sibling I was the target of many many conversion attempts over the years. Not sure what exactly took place, but I have only recently become aware that my 2 siblings will not go out of their way to speak to me, although they will communicate with other family members. We now all live in the same town, but we do not 'visit' so to speak. At a recent non-GRC family gathering they attended (which they don't normally do) one sibling and one child would not acknowledge me. It was horrible.
As I have never been a member, I do not know the background to things hinted to or mentioned cryptically here....and I certainly did not know Galien was a female - as I don't know any of the people behind these handles. I read here to try and help understand some things I have wondered about for almost 40 years.
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