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Metanoian
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(Date Posted:12/07/2009 02:51:21)

Food for thought:

Am reading a book by Tom Wright, Bishop of Durham called “Surprised by Hope.” This book deals with Eschatology and on page 39, Wright makes this point:

“ ..do we have immortal souls, and if so what are they? Again, much Christian and sub-Christian tradition has assumed that we all do indeed have ‘souls’ that need ‘saving,’ and that the ‘soul’, if ‘saved’, will be part of us that ‘goes to heaven when we die.’ All this, however, finds minimal support in the New Testament, including the teaching of Jesus, where the word ‘soul,’ though rare, reflects when it does occur underlying Hebrew and Aramaic words that refer, not to a disembodied entity hidden within the outer shell of the disposable body, but rather to what we would call the whole ‘person’ or ‘personality’,  seen as being confronted by God. As to immortality, 1 Timothy 6:16 declares that only God himself has immortality, and 2 Timothy 1.10 declares that immortality has only come to light, and hence is presumably only available, through the gospel. In other words, the idea that every human possesses an immortal soul, which is the ‘real’ part of them, finds little support in the Bible...”

 

any comments ???


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RE:More from Bishop Tom Wright
(Date Posted:12/07/2009 02:58:58)


My understanding, which fits in with what it seems you have read, is that we only have imortality if "In Christ", and that those who dont will not be eternally tormented but simply cease to exist. Some of the terms used for hell in the NT mean the grave.

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(Date Posted:12/07/2009 17:57:58)

Reply to prezy (12/07/2009 02:58:58)


My understanding, which fits in with what it seems you have read, is that we only have imortality if "In Christ", and that those who dont will not be eternally tormented but simply cease to exist. Some of the terms used for hell in the NT mean the grave.

Ok as Ian states, Tom Wright likes to go down new paths and in someways He is a theological daredevil but what is a challenge without a risk ??..

Wright's context of his work is the full person resurrection ( i.e. complete body, mind and soul) and he challenges a lot of traditional nonsense that has build itself around Christian thinking eg Dante's Divine Comedy and other medieval thoughts, platonic influences etc. etc.. Resurrection, according to Wright is "coming to bodily life again after bodily death" (2007:57).

What he is challenging with, is a fresh look at "life after death" and the lack of teaching on the resurrection from the dead of the complete person in the church today.. I will add further later.

Metanoia

my english spelling is getting as bad as D....... 's (must be the cold weather)..

(Message edited by Metanoian On 12/07/2009 18:16:23)
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RE:More from Bishop Tom Wright
(Date Posted:12/07/2009 18:23:13)

Some amazing discoveries have been made by looking at things from a fresh perspective. Some monumental stuff ups too, like the tongues only salvation nonesense. Look forward to your future posts. Nice to see something new and interesting on here. The general climate of this forum has been less than pleasant or interesting of late in my opinion.

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Re:More from Bishop Tom Wright
(Date Posted:12/07/2009 19:34:27)

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Reply To Seguidor
(Date Posted:12/07/2009 20:37:34)

Reply to Seguidor (12/07/2009 19:34:27)


 

Ralph.


Ralph, I just found out what an "ossuary" is link 

Apparently when Jesus was laid in his tomb, his body would have been wrapped carefully with linen and spices ( to kill the smell of decomposition ) and later on down the track when the body had decomposed, they would have gathered his bones and lay them reverently in a small box called an ossuary... but of course the Gospels clearly affirmed that this never eventuated.. but I have to agree with Wright's position in that the resurrection is what separates Biblical Christianity from every other religion and Christianity really does centre on this one unprecedented event. Perhaps it was the Christian belief in the resurrection as Tom suggests that precipitated persecution because the event was seen as a real threat to secular Roman authority and superstitious religious Roman society.

But I am a little perplexed why the resurrection event is not such an important consideration as an object of hope in the 21st century church as it was in the early churches

Metanoia
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Re:More from Bishop Tom Wright
(Date Posted:14/07/2009 07:03:18)

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