Has Laurie bought the KJV-is-best line? I know John Joske was heavily pushing it both to his own assembly and amongst oversight for a number of years, but I've been out of that loop for a while.
 
It seemed at one presentation I attended that his "Lukisms" - incorrectly understood context, bulk quotes of bible verses, false assumptions, poor reasoning and ignorance - were seen as "learned" by many who listened. Fortunately John's assertion of KJV-is-best led me to question my own acceptance of majority-text-rules. If it were being promoted by him, someting was likely quite wrong with it! It didn't take too long for sound reasoning to push that idea out of my head.



(Message edited by Talmid On 09/08/2009 17:12:40)

Good morning, Talmid.

Indeed he has. In his "talk" Nankivell credited his information to Joske, so what we have is one man who is altogether ignorant of the subject himself, attempting to speak authoritatively via appeal to another ignorant man's "scholarship"! The heart of the issue, however, isn't what either man would have us believe. What's actually at state is a long-discredited (albeit relatively recent) KJV-only "take" on the subject of inspiration/preservation.

What I find remarkably ironic is that young Laurie clearly believes that his "tongues-experience" qualifies him to refute 99% of all Christian text-critics! In other words, he believes himself "qualified" to boldly state that the men and women who have spent decades honing the philological and associated technical skills are wrong in their conclusions based on their assessments of the evidence 

Bold indeed!

Blessings,

Ian

P.S. If there are any Revivalists out there who wish to become better informed about the subject, they could do worse than to part with $17.00 and buy the following book from Koorong: "The Text of the New Testament" by Harold Greenlee.


(Message edited by Didaktikon On 09/08/2009 18:03:31)

Morning Ianos,

According to my Nestle, the Apostle Peter uses the word "idias" which stems from "idios" meaning "one's own" or "belonging to one" or "personal".... In other words Peter is expressing the English equivalent of "subjective thought" in hermenuetical interpretation...

But dear oh dear me my glasses are getting a bit foggy with age. Perhaps I have the spelling wrong - perhaps the word might be better spelled  "IDIOT".. 

blessings didaktikos

Metanoia

Good afternoon Ian,

The stance that KJV, or any version for that matter is best, in Revival and AOG and many other Pentecostal Nicotine Patch style groups, is just part of the bigger picture of doctrinal control, as your comment about the "tongues experience" accentuates.

I can remember back to the early 70s when my wife and I were newbies, I got talked into stumble-mumble earlier than her (more gullible I hear you say?) and as a result she was persona non grata till she was babbling with the best (and worst). Before that, every time she had anything to say, she would get the "but you're no spirit-filled" treatment. If only everything we did or said after we were coerced into babbling was pure and accurate life would have been a bowl of cherries as the old song goes.

The AOG/Revival/PRC/CAI doctrinal "proofs" of 3rd World War, Numerics, Pyramidology, British Israel, Y2K, Various "in the spirit" activities (laughing, singing, barking etc), re-baptisms, spiritual gifts (so called), forbidding of drinking alcoholic beverages etc etc are so filled with holes, lies and mistranslations coupled with dodgy proof-texting that the only way clear is Ctrl/Alt/Del then shut down and ask God for a reboot of heart and mind.

One of my favourite scriptures is: "For in him we live, and move,and have our being" Acts 17:28. If we think that anything we do or accomplish is because of us only, without God, then we don't really acknowledge Him as being omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent and in control.

Christianity is not magic, but it has many so-called adherents that behave like amateur conjurers who get disappointed when their tricks don't work and no audience outside their peers wants to see the show. Nevertheless, there is nothing like wanting to belong, wanting things to be right and peer pressure, to keep them going. Ultimately, unless we have the bravado and resources for kidnap and detox, we ought not cease to pray that God enlightens them.

John

Hi, John.

Agreed. And I pray such a prayer for them each and every day. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Blessings,

Ian