damn, didnt get to finish my writings. a house mate came back from a RF meeting, and i got paranoid about him seeing it, so i cut the previous message short.

I currently live with 4 RF members. I really want to move out of this house, and get away from RF ramblings and arguments. Whatever I bring up from the bible that is against RF theology, they get real vocal and defensive about it. Even if they agree that a certain teaching is unscriptural, they will support it anyway eg- the alcohol issue. Basically they all say that if a person has objections about anything in the RF they shouldnt worry about it.

As everything except for [tongues needed for holy spirit, therefore needed for salvation] is considered a "side issue", they think you should not worry about it, or question the oversights teachings.

Ive been crying the last few nights about how bad the RF is, and how much of a waste of time going to that church was. i dont cry too often either. flat mates have been telling me ive been sleep talking pretty loud the last week (i decided to stop going to meetings on the 4/09/05). i think it could be from all the psychological pressure that ive been under since leaving. apparently ive been saying "Fu%& off" repeatedly during my sleep. I barely swear during my waking hours...

Something that really annoyed me about RF legalism is: 'not allowed to go out with or marry anyone outside of the fellowship'. I can't believe I didn't use to care about that. In Perth, it meant id have to find my wife from a selection of 30 or so similar aged (5 years either way) ladies, "in the Lord". When expressing concern about this, I was told to travel interstate to find a woman. Ridiculous. I was told im not even allowed to find a chick from any Pentecostal church, or even from other churches that have the same salvation doctrine! So I questioned them, "aren't chicks that go to other churches and speak in tongues in the body of Christ too?" answer: " they may be in the body of Christ, but they aren't living in the truth, even if they do have the same salvation teaching" absurd.

I hate that damn church. controlling my life and stuff.

please respond to my message, coz I really need to chat to a Christian person (thats not a Revivalist) about my issues.

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Hi, welcome to the board.

We have ( as a church ) dumped: BI, the pyramid, no alcohol rule, marrying Pentecostals in other churches. These are not just side-issues. They go against scripture. They are part of a legalistic bondage system. A pastor has no right to tell you you can't marry another person who's filled with the spirit just because they attend another Pentecostal church. BI is crapola through and through as is the Great Pyramid and the wine Jesus made was wine. oikos means wine not grape juice. And the Hebrew word for wine in Pslam 104:15 is the same as the the word for the stuff Noah got drunk on.

Then there is the Lording it over God's flock that goes on there, abusive shepherding and merciless attitude to people who fall.

I was saved in the ARC under John Kuhlmann in 1979. Left in 1980 and went to the GRC branch in Adelaide. We've been pastoring in Manila since 1987. We got kicked out in 2000 for challenging BI. (Brett Warren's letter on the Geelong Revival Centre page) and most of the people in the churches here wanted us to stay on pastoring. Noel Hollins predicted that we'd collapse in six months - well, guess what? we didn't, but they will if they don't get rid of all the rotton doctrines and practices in their churches. They better do something about the rotton wineskins cos they're ready to explode.

Don't turf out the baby with the bathwater. The gift you got from God was good and with every good gift comes certain resposibilities. You made promises to God at some stage in your life - you should keep them. Baptism is entering into covenant with God and breaking covenant with God is serious.

our email add is shwarren@i-manila.com.ph if you want to contact us.

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damn, didnt get to finish my writings. a house mate came back from a RF meeting, and i got paranoid about him seeing it, so i cut the previous message short.I currently live with 4 RF members. I really want to move out of this house, and get away from RF ramblings and arguments. Whatever I bring up from the bible that is against RF theology, they get real vocal and defensive about it. Even if they agree that a certain teaching is unscriptural, they will support it anyway eg- the alcohol issue. Basically they all say that if a person has objections about anything in the RF they shouldnt worry about it.As everything except for [tongues needed for holy spirit, therefore needed for salvation] is considered a "side issue", they think you should not worry about it, or question the oversights teachings.Ive been crying the la

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Hey i know where your at! i too was living with people from the revival centers before i left the group, and all it did was do my head in, i strongly surgest u get your own place, or share with other christians from A NORMAL CHURCH. One of the biggest lies in the revival centers is that all other Churchs's are wrong. I believed this for 16years, but when i left and had a look at other penticostal churchs, i soon relized that what they said was a load of crock S..t.  So take your time, it has taken my 2 years to get my head strait and to stop judging other churches. How you heard of a australia Christian band, Sons of Kora? His name is MATT , his a arwsome guy, His also a pastar at a Baptise church i go to, ( OHHHHHH Baptise church, i can just see you all ex-revivalist shaking your heads!!!!}  LAST night he spoke on the hypocrisy of churches like the revival center his ph no is 0352431733, ps give him a call and explain you sitiualtion, his great to talk to, and very helpful, will give u some great Advice, my email add is robertharrison25@yahoo.com.au  would love to hear from u, take care,

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Hmmm, there are so many well-read experts... and many are quick to form a new creed of beliefs as if it's something that has to be written in blood and clutched tightly to their bosoms (can I say bosom on this site?). In the churches I have been visiting people don't argue about these various statements but rather enjoy sharing and discussing. I would rather argue because it's much more fun... LOL. I've found that all the genuine integrous christians are too busy lending a hand to people in need rather than arguing about how many patterns of seven exist in Mark. 

The golden rule is to keep the main thing the main thing...and the main thing isn't tonguebabble... it's treating the people around you with love and respect and care and giving a shoulder to cry on if needed. That's the spirit of God. An hour of tongues won't feed the kids next door who's mother is in hospital with a brain tumour. Rather than pray for them, make 'em a bloody lasagne and give it to them...

Pet issues some argue over... and my opinion for its two cents worth:

• BI... is there some truth behind it even though it may seem racist or partly mythical? I dunno.
• Pyramidology (probably crap re the religious tie-in, still mysterious though)
• Alcohol - if you drink even just a little too much, people can die on the roads. It all tastes like crap to me but some people like it. I won't judge anyone by their meat or drink. Isn't that what the bible says?
• Numerics - I love it still,  It works for me. gemetria doesn't always add up for me but the surface meaning of numbers is pretty obvious eg. 7=good 13=bad 6=sin 12=government etc.
• End times - Jesus may or may not be returning soon. Pretty much 'nuff said. The people of New Orleans feel it's soon. The people living in multimillion dollar mansions on the hills near the beach from me don't give a rat's. And I think Revelation was a warning about the sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD. Life?... just get on with it.
• Tongues - Russian circus gymnasts can do greater miracles than this and no one says nothing!
• Salvation - it's not a moment, it's a continuum. The moment I got saved was when some weird skinny dude heard me say hallayhallayoo instead of halay-loo-ya... yeah right... everything changed then!

2 days ago, 11/08/05, I decide to get a carton of Cascade Premium Light Beer, (didn't want to get full strength, coz I haven't drank for months). And anyway, I come home and put the carton in my room, and I chuck a six pack in the fridge. I felt like a beer, coz I like the taste, not coz im an alcoholic. So im drinking a warm light beer in my room, watching tv, and two RF flatmates charge in like there is a fire in the room, and they're like "do you know who's beer that is in the fridge?" and im like "its mine" and they're "like why did you buy it "

Me: coz i felt like a beer, and the bible says alcohol is a blessing. theres nothing in the NT that prohibits christians from drinking in moderation.

RF Soldiers: you have to move out in a few days!

Me: coz of the drinking?

RF Soldiers: yeah

Me: I am not a part of the RF anymore though. Alright, seems you guys are so offended by my drinking, I won't drink anymore. can I still stay in the house?

RF Soldiers: you have to move out, coz the bible says "not to be unevenly yoked with unbelievers"

Me: So im an unbeliever now? just coz i dont think a person needs to speak in tongues to be a christian, doesn't mean im not a christian.

RF Soldiers: you've left the truth. you'll have to move out. This house is for people that are in the Lord!

Me: Please give me a few weeks to move out. I don't have a job and I have hardly any money.

RF Soldiers: Not our problem. We will talk to you on Wednesday (3 days time)

        Later that night: Pray to God, and thank Him for bringing me out of the RF with His mighty hand.

Monday: 12/09/05    Eat breakfast, then about a 40yo flat mate says: how are you this morning?

Im like: good. Why do you think Ive got a hangover? (In a joking manner)

Flat mate: well, im not sure how many cartons you drank last night. (very serious manner).

Me:             I Look at him with disbelief.

then one flatmate (ive never seen anyone in RF more "spiritual" than this guy. Never misses a meeting or outreach; prays in tongues for half an hour at 6.00am ish before work, another half hour before bed, plus before meetings etc) anyway, he says he doesn't hate me. and

Me: ok thats cool. but do you still think im an unbeliever?

Mr Spiritual: if you believe what you said last night about the neccessity of tongues for salvation, then yes.

Me: therefore you believe I am going to hell?

Mr Spiritual: thats what the bible says.

Me: thats what the Pastors say, the bible says im still a christian, despite not going to the RF.

Mr Spiritual: you've still got the chance to repent and come back to fellowship.

 Me: im never going back to the RF.

          After Mr Spiritual goes to work: I pray for him, coz the bible says to pray for those that persecute you.

        At night time: chat to a "worldly" friend about what happened. He offers his house for me to stay at, without me even asking or suggesting that I wanted to stay at his house. My "worldly" friend just showed a simple act of love/caring, that my housemates could never show to anyone outside of their RF. Makes me think my "worldly" friend (an atheist) is more christian than the Revival Fellowship brethren.

Thanks you guys   your comments are always good for a laugh! and supportive too.

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Boy, when i read your story, i can imagine what happened and it made me laughed....... coz it's so funny......hahaha....lol   Not about you but about those "spiritual than thou" "soldiers".

More like NAZI soldiers.. ya know these guys haven't changed much since Lloyd tried to purge his secret society of all the sexual sinning 'dross'. even though the RF left RCI and said, "uh, Lloyd... you're a nutter", they still fear rubbing shoulders with those that are seen as less than 'perfect'. So self-righteous and small minded.

I wish I could go back to the RF so that I could leave all over again... good times...

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On 60 minutes recently,they showed how binge drinking amongst the younger set is getting out of hand,in England they shut the pubs at 3am,so to help the binge drinkers the Government is proposing a 24 hour opening to help their problem to the full,I dont want to have to answer to having in some way encouraged my ex alcoholic brother and sister by drinking alcohol,binge drinking is increasing in England,America and Australia.Romans chap 14 verse 21 states It is right not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that makes your brother stumble.Alcohol is more of a problem than drugs,

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And food addictions are as big or bigger problem as alcoholism.

I used to be buliemic. Binge eating was a bigger problem for me than binge drinking - in fact I hardly drank at all. Gluttony and drunkeness are both sins. Should people stop eating because millions of people globally are dying from obesity and over-eating? In saying that alcohol is not forbidden by scripture I'm not advocating drunkenness or even flaunting your freedom to drink if someone has got scruples about it because both those attitudes are wrong. I was healed of buliemia and have no problem if a table of goodies is in front of me.

Check out the obese people around you. There are some dangerously obese people in the church but do people cut back on the rich foods when they're with that person? Next time you're at Mackers with an overweight brother or sister maybe you'd better steer them out of there.

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Reply to the alcohol/no alcohol debate.Certainly there are other matters more important within the churches that the alcohol debate,so in order to settle the matter can we agree that some may want an alcohol free zone and others may prefer the alcohol,you should be able to accept the view I put forward as it is scripture and I will acknowledge the view that you have adopted,the issue is not to have any ill feeling towards the brethren,not to try to get each other to accept and adopt their singular view of what is required by God.So in closing I will say keep doing what you do and we will continue to do what we do,and may we both rejoice in the Lord.

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I have no problem with that. I believe that's what Romans is talking about anyway.  It is a matter of personal choice though and not something which should be made a rule in the church and to say that the Bible forbids alcohol is not accurate and goes beyond scripture.

Eve went beyond what God said to Adam concerning the tree of knowledge and it didn't stop them from sinning. The RCI have gone beyond what the Bible says about church discipline and it doesn't stop people from fornicating. My point was only this: don't put a yoke on people and then say, "Thus saith the Bible." We were in bondage for a long time and Christ broke that yoke. Unfortunately it is true that some people who have been "under law" for a period of time sometimes swing the other way and become lawless. A friend of mine had a dog that she used to chain up all day and when he had a chance and got off his chain he went a bit crazy and tore off down the street. It reminded us of some people we knew in the church.

Yeah, so anyway I'm really happy about leaving the Revival Fellowship. Pastor K____ from perth called me up, and said to me that im still his brother, because ive still got the spirit. I couldnt believe it! But he says im not a brother in the sense that ive left the truth. so overall, i dont know if ex RF cult members are officially classed as brothers or not.

The Pastor thinks im a brother, but my Super Self Righteous Flatmate has determined that im going to hell if i dont come back to fellowship.

ITS AMAZING HOW RF CULT MEMBERS HOLD TOTALLY DIFFERENT BELIEFS TO OFFICIAL CHURCH DOCTRINE, OR WHAT THE PASTORS SAY!

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On 60 minutes recently,they showed how binge drinking amongst the younger set is getting out of hand,in England they shut the pubs at 3am,so to help the binge drinkers the Government is proposing a 24 hour opening to help their problem to the full,I dont want to have to answer to having in some way encouraged my ex alcoholic brother and sister by drinking alcohol,binge drinking is increasing in England,America and Australia.Romans chap 14 verse 21 states It is right not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that makes your brother stumble.Alcohol is more of a problem than drugs,

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Hey Chartdoctor...

Pubs opening till 3! if only!!  We get the bell for last rounds at ten to 11 and then totally booted outta there 11 on tha dot-

From the research they have conducted they found that in european countries where pubs are open later there are less binge drinkers.. they have put this down to the fact that English people are binging before 11 to get as many in before closing and decided that opening later will basically make em go slower.... anywayz thats what they are thinking...

Also, they are talking about restricting UK citz. from buying canibus in Amstadam coz the UK are moaning about how UK kids get the train over there and stock up on drugs and come home... Amstadam are sick of their bitching.... hehe

2 things the English will always be - Whigers & Bingers

And Partially Free - since this is your post - I'll just quote from the BOOK OF STRe - Reality Bites "Should have taught me love but it showed me what hate is"  - you should listen to some of his blends and read some of his lyrics 1st verse of reality bites is good.

My motto since I left  has been - Walk in love & trust in God.    - and I can finally do that (trust God) now that I am over the complex of thinking that he is my enemy just watching and waiting for me to fail so he can send me to hell.

God came to give us life and that more abundantly above all that we can even think to ask----  Satan came to deceive -deception = Bullshit, RCI = Bullshit, = deception = ****** ...well, I don't want to say that directly

HAHA, I wonder what RCI/RF's would say if they knew that one of the biggest churches in Australia and now London have there midweek meeting (house meetings) in the local pub... and friday night is called "Publife"  (Hillsong London)

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Mae, no matter how you want to argue it, if your cult said you could drink then you would or at least you wouldn't argue against it.  The thing is, NONE of these ideas are yours.  They are imposed upon you by the cult and you, like a good little cult member, regurgitate them here.  We've been where you are Chartdoctor (RF member) but you have yet to be where we are (ex-RF member).

from what i've read you all seem more intent on bagging a church group and blaming them for your own problems.  if you wanted to leave then leave - why go kicking and screaming?  it only makes yourself look bad.

seriously, if you beleive/d in god then why are you like this?

you blame the rf for being single minded, undoctrinal and cruel - sounds just like you guys who post here.

we all have a brain, can all make our own decisions - why blame a church.

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Hi.I am in the process of leaving the revival fellowship in Perth.I have spent the last 7 days studying the new testament to see if there is a definite connection between tongues and salvation, and I am simply not convinced.The 'Revival Centres Verse by Verse' was very helpful. I still believe that they may be right about the tongues needed for salvation, but overall I think it is unlikely.Things I hate most about the RF include (but not limited to):False Teachings about-The Great Pyramid, British Israel, Not allowed to drink alcohol, Thief on the cross sent to hell, Racist Adam and Eve account, etc.

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Hi 'partially free'

I think you are doing the right thing by moving away from the RF and out the the 'fellowship house.' Since I left over 3 years ago I have studied the bible about tongues and have come to the conclusion they are NOT NECESSARY for salvation. There is no mention of tongues without some other miracle,eg. 'they spoke in tongues AND PROPHESIED. Does this mean that you are only saved when you speak in tongues and prophesy?  The RF will tell you, "look at Corinthians,  it explains the gifts",  NOT EVERY ONE WILL PROPHECY!  Even the RF know you do not need to prophecy for salvation. Its a shame they do not also carry the same principle to tongues.

There is NO OTHER OTHER WAY TO SALVATION EXCEPT THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. JESUS is our SAVIOUR,The HOLY SPIRIT is our COMFORTER,GUIDE,SMALL STILL VOICE,COUNSELLOR, HE WAS SENT TO EMPOWER US,GIVE US STRENGTH AND ENCOURAGEMENT.ETC.NOT OUR SAVIOUR!  John14:6  Acts 4:12  1Tim2:5

As far as we can tell ALL the RF speak in tongues ( who knows how many are made up by 'the people'?)  If this was a sign of the HG  why is there an amazing LACK  OF LOVE for outsiders AND insiders who are struggling? (RF dispense conditional love-"we will love if you do what we say and believe what we believe") This is dysfunctional behaviour  even in secular life!!!

I have been to many churches whilst looking for my spiritual home, which I have now found.( During this time of searching in these so-called 'ungodly/compromising'  churches, God was actually showing me the amount of nonsense I had picked up from the RF ) I may add here that nearly all these churches showed more love for Christ and for their brothers and sisters than the RF.

"Those who have not the Spirit of Christ are none of his.'" The spirit of Christ is also his NATURE, we are to be 'Christ like' or take on the nature of Christ. Before any one says that this passage is refering to the Holy Spirit, let me add that the Holy Spirit is a GIFT of God. How do you know you have the Holy Spirit ? It is a PROMISE of God that ALL who ask him will recieve. God CANNOT lie. Luke11:13  Acts2:33 (and acts 2:38 that the RF love so much, but note the words 'shall' and 'gift') 2Tim1:1

As for drinking, I see no problem with it. John came drinking and they killed him. Jesus came drinking and they killed him. RF come tongueing and they kill me! The wine at the passover, if it was just 'grape juice' where did they get the fresh grapes from?  The season for grapes was long over! Rom 14:2-4  1Cor:9:4  1Cor10:29-32

Just one thing to be careful of is being a stumbling block for your brother of course. This does not mean YOU can't drink, it simply means that if  a brother comes around or you are with one who you know does not drink, then ABSTAIN yourself (when with them) so they do not stumble.The Meat offered to Idols was ok for food to Paul, he knew that it has not changed or that the 'gods' they offered it to were not real, it was just cheaper than other meat. It is the same  principle with drinking, as long as we don't get drunk its ok. How do you know when you have had enough?  I personally only drink occassionaly and then only one or two drinks  in a day.To drink or not to drink, that is the question. The answer is its UP TO YOU.

Remember in all this God still loves you, and will guide you to where HE wants you.             

Caution: amazing spitiual growth is about to occur hold on tight!

Yours in Christ Bobbinacotton

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There is no mention of tongues without some other miracle,eg. 'they spoke in tongues AND PROPHESIED. Does this mean that you are only saved when you speak in tongues and prophesy?  The RF will tell you, "look at Corinthians,  it explains the gifts",  NOT EVERY ONE WILL PROPHECY!  Even the RF know you do not need to prophecy for salvation. Its a shame they do not also carry the same principle to tongues.

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Well said. I enjoyed your post. There seems to be some debate in RF in recent years as to what prophesy actually is. It's traditional to be done 2 or 3 times during the 'gifts' in the latter part of the meeting just after the 2 or 3 tongues interpretation. Some say it means to praise but when used in the gifts it is meant to be the (infallible?) voice of God speaking through the user of the gift. However the prophesy in this case is the exact same gift as the interpretation of the tongue. So in essence, during the gifts there are 3 tongue messages and 6 prophesies that are not prophetic at all.

Some are questioning this voice gift ritual and wondering if they are being robbed of the prophetic nature of the gift but don't know how to apply it. It's a scary thing to implement such a thing. What if the prophesy doesn't come to pass. I don't blame them for not changing. In other churches i've seen prophesy used well to the point where I'm really scratching my head at the inside knowledge the visiting prophet had. I supposed it to be a pretty neat parlour trick but other times hmmm...

First all my APOLOGIES for missing the word 'NOT' from my last post, as I am aware John did not come drinking!!

In reply to heandShe.       If you are talking about visiting prophets giving a 'word' from God. I would offer a word of caution here. I have had a visiting person in our house group ( not RF.) and she gave a 'word' after the talk. I noticed she only gave it to the brother who gave the talk and myself.

First she told the brother God is going to use him, ( obvious? he had just given a talk on wanting God to use us more!) and some other minor things which he mentioned he was doing during his talk. The 'word' She gave me was on a subject I was talking about when she came in, which she missed was in my PAST! The other brother asked me after she had gone what my thoughts where, I told him what I thought of 'my word' and then told him to check his notes and memory on what he told people about himself during his talk. Then he realised she was just offering what she believed we wanted to hear.

I believe God does give us words from our brothers and sisters BUT I dont believe they know about it too often. ( otherwise they may get the idea God has given them a 'gift' and get all puffed up about themselves.) I know I sound sceptical about all this but the only words I have heard have been total rubbish!

When given, or on hearing a word/prophecy I believe it is wise to ask yourself a few simple questions: was it done as a show? was it uplifting? was it something that only God would know about you? Is it of value? Was it giving God glory? 

We all have our own decisions to make on these matters, and I pray that God through his Holy Spirit will guide us all.

Bobbinacotton 

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I believe God does give us words from our brothers and sisters BUT I dont believe they know about it too often. ( otherwise they may get the idea God has given them a 'gift' and get all puffed up about themselves.) I know I sound sceptical about all this but the only words I have heard have been total rubbish!

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A healthy septicism yep. Now when a travelling prophet addresses an audience of 600 people and says that somone in the rear end of the hall has lower back problems... he's probably got a good chance of finding someone who will think he's the bees knees.

All the same tricks are used by your friendly neighbourhood tarot card reader etc. Read you audience, profile them by their dress and locality and mannerisms, know the data and statistics of common ailments etc. A talented prophet or astrologer can be very convincing. Lying is an art and anyone can do it well with some practice.. some do it so well they actually fool themselves into thinking they actually have the gift.

Sometimes these magicians (both christian and non) hit the mark. Sometimes they hit the mark with astounding accuracy. Odds are you're going to get it right every now and again, but, in all honesty sometimes the weirdest stuff does happen and you wonder what they are tapping into to get the results.

Please note:  Partially Free has since returned to RF

PtLord

Praise the Lord for that.   

Well, it will be interesting to see how long he/she lasts though.  Fingers crossed for Partially Free's full freedom.

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Praise the Lord for that.Well, it will be interesting to see how long he/she lasts though. Fingers crossed for Partially Free's full freedom.

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well, i've been in TRF all my life, was born there, and still fellowship in the perth fellowship.

what i wanted to say was that this whole forum is just for people to have a bitch about the rci and rf, i came on here expecting a healthy and controlled forum, but am getting quite the opposite so far.

i know that i'm going to heaven, despite whatever rules and regulations you guys don't like, but i'd rather have these rules on me and go to heaven than to be in the state that it looks like a lot of members are in atm.

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Re-edit... my intial kneejerk reaction was past 2 a.m. and was pretty damn messy...

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i know that i'm going to heaven, despite whatever rules and regulations you guys don't like, but i'd rather have these rules on me and go to heaven than to be in the state that it looks like a lot of members are in atm.

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I can imagine what it would be like to have been brought up in that environment, taught from a very young age that your church was endowed with the only true interpretation of the bible. Would be hard to leave once that idea has set itself in so deeply. Meh, as long as you're happy. Gotta do whay ya gotta do eh? Enjoy it if you are.

Funny how you seem to be able to guage the state of a 'lot' of members on the board. Is that your supernatural gift of discernment or just huge lashings of indoctrinated judgemental elitism you adopted? Is it the spirituality and therefore eternal life of the 'members' that you fear is in danger?

I really don't need you to answer that but if it's a healthy and controlled discussion that you're hoping for then I say more power to ya. Whatever your interpretation of heaven is, it's most probably a fun safe place to look forward to and I'm glad you feel assured you're getting a place in it's mighty court.

Your post reminds me why I'm so glad I got my kids out of there before they grew up under fear and law. Sure they might have set themselves up for heaven and the greatest urban legend return of Jesus in a great Lord of the rings moment... but I think they're going to develop a much healthier realistic long life here on earth. I'm relieved they don't have to feel the guilt that comes with not getting enough pamphletes out on street corners or manipulating enough friends to come to the meeting to sing Jehavah Jirah. Or the guilt from not praying enough, or reading enough, or witnessing enough, or fellowshipping enough, or using the voice gifts enough...Enough, ENOUGH!

This life is more than just a read through (Red hot Chillies)

I've seen plenty of people who were born and raised in the RF who have gone through their teenage years and finally grew a brain that wasn't overly washed by the Revival mindset. They are realising just how much of their life has been wasted by planning for eternity while forgetting their own future. Trying to be more like Jesus and forgetting to be themselves.

Revivalists don't really care about their fellow man. They are only the cattle they hope can be herded into their gates to feed their own ego and hopefully find favour from a God who commands more people be cloned and controlled.

Everyone has their own version of truth and heaven... I'm sure you'll get your version of it in this life or the next.

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Is it true that the Perth RF's Pastor Hounslow has a brother who is now an AOG evangelist and they don't really talk since the brother left the RCI (now RF)?  There's the love of God in action!  Sounds like the "same old same old" Revival Centre bullshit  to me!

Hmmm... some interesting points.

From what I perceive, the attitude of the RF has changed since the split occured. Especially over the past few years.

I can see Lloyd Longfields mindset and how controlling he was, but over the past few years in the RF the focus has changed. It's about being the good samaritan, going out and associating with "worldly people", because after all that's your best opportunity to let your testimony shine and preach the gospel.

I have lived my life according to the bible, sure there are some guidelines, but what you do in your household is up to you. Also, I have been very successful in life, I've completed a degree (something which very FEW RF'ers do), gone on made my millions. But have never lost my focus on God.

No one has ever forced me to witness, pray, read etc... I simply look at the bible, it says to read, pray, etc.. SO I DO IT... I don't know why people get so caught up in that "THE RF/RCI SAYS TO DO THIS THIS AND THIS..." It says it in the bible for goodness sakes.

Anyway, good luck. Israel is doing some scary stuff lately hey???

Hmmm... some interesting points.From what I perceive, the attitude of the RF has changed since the split occured. Especially over the past few years.

They keep saying that things are changing but that the ship doesn't 'turn on a dime'... which is sort of an admission that something is wrong with the ship in the first place. Everytime I meet someone they say, "OH, we're really full-on now, things have changed". I remember prattling on like that too when talking to ex-members... that and statements like, "have you seen what's happening in the Middle East"? I think the split (which was the only actual exciting event in the last two decades there) made them realise how easy it is to turn into a church of nutters - moreso.

I can see Lloyd Longfields mindset and how controlling he was, but over the past few years in the RF the focus has changed. It's about being the good samaritan, going out and associating with "worldly people", because after all that's your best opportunity to let your testimony shine and preach the gospel.

I adored Lloydy... hung on every word like a demented Beatles groupie. It was just a matter of time before we found out he was a Sith Lord. In the past few years I've seen the RF church pandering to the public trying to get some better PR by updating the music and encouraging members to argue less during street witnesses. They're trying to be hip and 'with it' lately to trick more 'worldlies' into thinking they actually care. That's a bit harsh actually, I'm sure theres heaps of empathetic souls in the RF who really do care about people, it's just that they're so bloody arrogant with their self appointed truth.

I have lived my life according to the bible, sure there are some guidelines, but what you do in your household is up to you. Also, I have been very successful in life, I've completed a degree (something which very FEW RF'ers do), gone on made my millions. But have never lost my focus on God.

That's interesting. In my last few years of Revival life quite a few long-time members of our assembly took up the challenge to get various degrees: M, M, Me, A, K, W, K, B... hmm - eight of us... funny thing is, every one of us left the church and pursued other churches and lifestyles. I think Uni broadened out minds and made us look outside of the box long enough to make us realise we actually were in a box.

No one has ever forced me to witness, pray, read etc... I simply look at the bible, it says to read, pray, etc.. SO I DO IT... I don't know why people get so caught up in that "THE RF/RCI SAYS TO DO THIS THIS AND THIS..." It says it in the bible for goodness sakes.Anyway, good luck. Israel is doing some scary stuff lately hey???

I don't buy into that whole 'do exactly what the bible says, or else' stuff anymore, but hey if it works for ya then more power to ya. Yeah Israel is fucked up atm... should I give up Sunday arvos at the beach and get back to the pew in case the day burns as an oven? Sorry, being cheeky. I'm sure you're just bringing up Israel as a side issue to make small talk.

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I don't buy into that whole 'do exactly what the bible says, or else' stuff anymore, but hey if it works for ya then more power to ya.

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In that case less power to u. 

You can definitely keep your theory of not believing you have to do exactly what the bible says.

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Reply to : HolyandSinfulI don't buy into that whole'do exactly what the bible says, or else'stuff anymore, but hey if it works for ya then more power to ya.In that case less power to u.You can definitely keep your theory of not believing you have to do exactly what the bible says.

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Yeah shocking hey? Imagine someone not wanting to do exactly what the bible says? Makes my head boggle! I'm sure there are more like me who hold to that 'insane' idealogy. Do my views make you insecure about your beliefs or are you just simply a twat? Religion has certainly helped out the world over last 2000 years.. not! "In that case less power to u" - Ha ha, I'm the nice one here, being all accepting and positive towards you and your right to believe what you like... hehe, that simple courtesy is certainly not going to be reciprocated by your religious ass is it? Gee surprise surprise... a Christian who has no well wishing for someone who doesn't follow their beliefs. A Revivalist nonetheless! Wow you do exactly what the bible says and follow Jesus' example huh. What would Jesus do to people like me?

...apparently he would kill 'em all...

"And as for those who were against me, who would not have me for their ruler, let them come here, and be put to death before me. " (Luke 19:27) Well what do you know, God is love (quote Mr J). haha, I bet you'd love that hey? Kill 'em, kill 'em all. I humbly thank you on behalf of everyone here for your input on this thread. May your god continue slaughtering innocents until the end of time.

Should we do exactly what the bible says? Nah, see... people like the Mormons and Jehovah witness and Revivalists spend all their lives defending an interpretation of what they think the bible says and end up missing out of living. I'm sincere when I say that I wish you well pursuing the lifestyle of your choosing, and if it works for ya then that's good 'for you' . Used to hate it when people said 'for you' to me.

What about the following gems:

• (Prov 20:30 NRSV) Blows that wound cleanse away evil; beatings make clean the innermost parts.
• (Luke 18:28-30) Jesus says you will be rewarded if you abandon your wife and kids for for the "kingdom of God".
• (1 Tim 2:9 NRSV) also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes

Random Simpsons Quote

Doctor on Panel - "Uh, what are you doing?"
Marge - "Um...I'm praying to God."
Doctor - "Um hmm, and this ?God', is he in the room right now?"
Marge - "Well, yes. He's everywhere."
Doctor - "Mm Hmm."
Marge - "I'm not crazy!"

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Reply to : HolyandSinfulI don't buy into that whole'do exactly what the bible says, or else'stuff anymore, but hey if it works for ya then more power to ya.In that case less power to u.You can definitely keep your theory of not believing you have to do exactly what the bible says.

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Well, let's do EXACTLY what the Bible says shall we?

Let's kill all homosexuals!

Let's not wear any cloth woven with two kinds of thread!

Let's stone adultuerers and fornicators!

Let's dash the heads of babies on stones!

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Whoops!  Forgot to login.  The post above was mine.

...of course

PS- How is that doing exactly what the Bible says working for you?

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Reply to : HolyandSinfulI don't buy into that whole'do exactly what the bible says, or else'stuff anymore, but hey if it works for ya then more power to ya.In that case less power to u.You can definitely keep your theory of not believing you have to do exactly what the bible says.

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"If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal.

If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane."

.....Robert Ingersoll

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Reply to : AnonymousReply to : HolyandSinfulI don't buy into that whole'do exactly what the bible says, or else'stuff anymore, but hey if it works for ya then more power to ya.In that case less power to u.You can definitely keep your theory of not believing you have to do exactly what the bible says.Yeah shocking hey? Imagine someone not wanting to do exactly what the bible says? Makes my head boggle!I'm sure there are more like me who hold to that 'insane' idealogy. Do my views make you insecure about your beliefs or are you just simply a twat? Religion has certainly helped out the world over last 2000 years.. not!"In that case less power to u" -Ha ha, I'm the nice one here, being allaccepting and positive towards you and your right to believe w

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Oh please, lets not get smart here - you know what i mean!

You just to way too many conclusions about me in your post - my goodness, defensive or wot!

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You 'jump' to way too many conclusions

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Quick to react and yeah pretty defensive, I'll admit to that call. Just took the excuse to prattle on a bit as you can see... lol. Doesn't take much. That's the nature of this beast. It prattles on.

Still, I like the thoughts Avenger came out with concerning the Butterfly Effect 'mingling with the world' has on the Revivalists. I think people are a bit more educated and dubious today in Australia to fall for the ol' tongues doctrine jive. I'm told by some that we've just exited the 'knowledge' age off from the information age. We have vast amounts of knowledge and information at our fingertips and we are learning from a very young age hot to access it. What we now need to do with this information is use it wisely... thusly the people who label such things are calling this the 'wisdom' age (go figure).

It is certainly the mission of many a Revivalist to convert the world around them into their lifestyle and church. I've never see too many people streaming into the place over the last two decades. Our assembly seemed to grow mosty due to people moving in from other places; kids born and grew into it; 'simple people'; or people that have serious medical conditions and have tried everything else.

I hope Revivalists treat people as people and not just as possible converts who are to be shunned if they can't be 'turned'. They need to drop the word 'worldlies' from their vocab. It is a vile and condescending mindset.

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I used to f/ship there, and YES that is true. Pr D. Hounslow basically has disowned his brother, Keith (if my memory serves me).I see all the typical nonsense in that fellowship, but it has certainly become a bit more 'liberal' over the last several years, and some people are actually thinking for themselves. I'm happy to not be in the fellowship, but actually get on quite OK with some members if I see them, and they don't treat me like $hit. Things have changed

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Pastor Hounslow would have to be one of the devisive men ever under the asbestos clad roof of 1 Fiona Street Morley.

Some of the control-freak games hes used to play with us in 'young peoples' in the 80s and 90s were unbelievable.

Whenever he got on his high horse, Darryl would have this catatonic stare about him.

...and such a bloody hypocrite.

The only one more hard core than he was ironically his son Chris Mulholland. Chris moved to Melbourne and became even more reserved extremist and ironically very pro RCI mantra regarding immorality.

So Perthites...do I know any of you...do any of you know me?

How are some of the old regulars going there? Is W&M Cooper still attending? How about W&R Edwards? I really liked WayneE...he always came across as a cool bloke trapped in a Revivalist cloak...

Its nice to hear they have loosened up a bit at Perth but thats because Alan Thomas is no longer around. He was one heavy handed dude in Perth.

Yes, Dean, I remember you.  Have sent you a PM.

For what its worth, I thought you were a fantastic houseleader.  Sometimes I think we were the only sane ones in those lounge rooms on a Friday night.

I've read a few recent posts and it has brought back a lot of memories, some good, some not so.

Yes, Pr Darryl Hounslow was not a nice man to deal with.  He was great at giving talks but as a person he was not much short of a nasty little bully.  I got to the point where I just could not stand the Saturday night gatherings and just stopped going.  I felt like we were naughty school children and yet I never really fitted in with the other YPs. I just refused to be brainwashed into thinking that playing leaderball and doing other such lame activities, was more spiritual and "edifying" than staying at home and chilling out.  Perhaps this is what separated me from the others. 

Also, that thing you mentioned elsewhere about MH being forced to put out for her husband.  That itself is bad but the fact that I knew about it years ago just shows how gossip was rife there.  Especially if you were related to the oversight.  There was no control over discussions of what are meant to be private matters.  I really liked PA but the fact that his grandchildren were able to broadcast the goings on in my private life and those of others is reprehensible.

Anyway, nice to see you on the forum, Deanoz.