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Reply to : franks ghostReply to : BrolgaReply to : franks ghostReply to : Brolgavery dry humour on this not so dry topic (well it's a dry argument for some).Thanks Frank. Just looking for a bit of attention I suppose.I've been caught out again, attention seeking, I'm all washed up.That's all. You sunk me on that one. Have a good bay, oops, day

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If you guys dont dry up the Mod. will pounce.

Heres a thought,  Someone ,  an un-believer, was washed up on a desert  Island, and a bible floated ashore,and reading it he was convicted , cried out to the Lord, asking Jesus to save him. He died before any one could rescue him, so he was never baptised.

a)  Was he saved?

b) Did he recieve the Holy Spirit ?

I know what I believe.  

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Reply to : chris7Hi, Chris.Do the scriptures nominate anybody as being "saved" either before or after baptismYes, they do (but I know you can search these out for yourself). Anyway, the consistent biblical pattern seems to be: (1) the gospel is preached, (2) people either accept or they reject the gospel message. (3) Those who accept then trust/believe in Christ (which equals 'justification'--a forensic act on the part of God). Following on from this belief/acceptance, believers then (4) submit to being baptised. Ergo, baptism isalwaysan activity that follows belief. In the NT itneverprecedes the same.Now there are quite a few biblical images that baptism invokes. In the NT sense, however, theprincipleone is of identification: first with Christ, and second with his community of followers.Blessings,

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Firstly to break free           i am very sorry if you felt that i invited you and all of the others grudgingly into this thread   there was no grudge in it at all     it was only that you had all previously contributed to it and i wasnt sure that i would be able to access a computer for a few days     i didnt realise that it was obviously against some protocol or other to invite people   once again SORRY

Back to the thread

To Sott

I am sorry i couldnt find any individual who was said to be saved either before or after baptism.   The only one name that i could find who was saved is in the new testament but refers to the old testament

1st Peter 3.18

For Christ als suffered once for sins the just ( Jesus ) for the unjust that he might bring us to God being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the spirit., by whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly were disobedient, when once the divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared, in which few ,that is eight souls were saved through water.   There is also an antitype which now saves us,  baptism, not the removal of the dirt of the flesh but the answer of a good concience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Once again Sorry Guys   And once again   Love you all    Chris

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.Hey guys I had my 24th wedding anniversary yesterday, thats gotta say something for Mrs Frank don't you think.Still checking in daily to see you guys.

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Hey you COPYCAT ! ! !    We had our 25th wedding anniversay on the 23rd also - so I beat you by a year, ha ha! 

Congrats to you and Mrs Frank, from Mr & Mrs Sea Urchin, LOL

sea urchin and FG bet ya both had our 25th dec 2006

well done to both of you guys

Blessings

Earth5

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sea urchin and FG bet ya both had our 25th dec 2006well done to both of you guysBlessingsEarth5

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Congratulations to you guys and gals  Me and Mrs Old Holborn celebrated our 55th on the 1st of March.! Now thats perseverence ( on her part) lol

Blessings

it is so nice to hear about marriages that last, congratulations to all of you

to Break Free thank you for your congrat's

To Old Holborn, we pale into insignificance to you and your wifes 55 years, well done my friend YAHOO

earth5