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"Today, Palm Sunday, remembers an exciting event. Jesus entered the "King's city" before thousands waving palm branches, singing rousing warcrys, and cheering their hero king. No doubt it was intoxicating: the masses electrified by the moment. No one could be more popular.

The next day in the temple, filled with range, yelling at the top of his voice, Jesus damned what he saw. Violently, to everyone's horror, whip in hand, he turned 'church' into chaos. Jesus plummeted from favoured heights to outcast. By condemning what he saw, Jesus sealed solid his fate. In five days he was murdered. The very same crowds again cheering, but this time with ridicule as he died in agony."

No room for the whole piece here, written by Richard James from St Thomas, but I like his turn of phrase; placing events in time and space aids understanding.

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The next day in the temple, filled with range, yelling at the top of his voice, Jesus damned what he saw. Violently, to everyone's horror, whip in hand, he turned 'church' into chaos. Jesus plummeted from favoured heights to outcast. By condemning what he saw, Jesus sealed solid his fate. In five days he was murdered. The very same crowds again cheering, but this time with ridicule as he died in agony."

Same thing happened to Obi Wan just a few days after clearing the cantina on Tatooine. One minute he's all 'lightsaber and twists', the next he's just a still small voice in Luke's 'heart'.

Selah.

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That's right, film producers copy a lot from bible narratives. I've never seen a movie yet that's original in concept

Yep. You're so right. Pop culture is rife with it. LOST is full of Bible narratives this season. I heard that show KINGS was a modern adaptation of the books of I & II Chronicles too (although it never got past season 1).

It's because we resonate with the cultural archetypes.

I'm not trying to be dismissive or contentious but the archetypes predate the Bible. Light vs. darkness and the cosmic struggle owes more to the Zoroastrians in it's origins than the Jews. The Old Testament picture of Satan did not show him to be as powerful as he was later shown to be in the New Testament (compare Job to the Gospels and even Revelation). Some assert that was due to the Jews being more highly exposed to the other religions of the ancient Middle East during the Babylonian exile and so Satan came to be thought of as far more similar to those "agents of evil" than the original Jewish picture (again, see Job).

Of course by the Middle Ages, western culture had built Satan up into a kind of trickster demi-god (like Loki) who was only just slightly less powerful than Jesus, at least in the lives of men. Mormons actually believe Satan was Jesus' spirit brother in heaven, i.e. the literal children of 'Heavenly Father' and the two fight an ongoing battle today that was started in Heaven before our world was created.

Fascinating stuff.

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Hi Troy,

Isn't the key issue here, though, (if you want to debunk Xianity) the historicity of the crucifixion/resurrection event?

The evidence for Mann-made global warming is unequivocal.

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@Talmid - Well, I don't know if this is the room for an attempt to 'debunk' Christianity. I was even a little hesitant about posting what I did post above. I don't want people to think the prophecies of an "Atheist' board were coming true. Now that I think about it, I also don't want to be seen stomping over the crucifixion story during Passion week, a very holy time to many here. So no, I won't be doing that in this room, or this week. :)

@brolga - I don't believe that Moses did write Genesis, but the spirit of what you say is indeed true in that a lot of the language of Genesis seems to have been intentionally used with a view to show a very clear distinction between (and superiority of) the Hebrew god and this creation account from the gods and creation stories of their neighbours. But that opens up an interesting point, that the writers themselves were very aware of the similarities and set about to make their story distinct. So the differences are intentional. There are some great books on this topic of course, many written from a historical perspective, not faith. I heard a great audio series on it this topic. You can find it here (but cheaper here). Of course there are a lot of believers who don't believe the creation narratives of Genesis are literal and still believe in the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.

Anyway, Happy Easter! :)

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That's right, film producers similate a lot from bible narratives. I've never seen a movie yet that's original in concept

Sounds like you don't see many movies then, though it is difficult to write an original plot after people have been writing stories for thousands of years.

How about 'Up' where the old fella tied thousands of balloons to his house to move it to fulfill his late wife's wish. That's gotta be fairly original, but I suppose you can spin any analogy into it you like and give it a bible theme.

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How about 'Up' where the old fella tied thousands of balloons to his house to move it to fulfill his late wife's wish. That's gotta be fairly original, but I suppose you can spin any analogy into it you like and give it a bible theme.

Easy done. Balaam and his talking donkey...dude and his talking dog. Sorry, 'Up' is complete Bible. ;p

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Hi moth,

That's a fair statement, but you gotta admit the bible is probably the best scource to draw the "plot" from.

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That's a fair statement, but you gotta admit the bible is probably the best scource to draw the "plot" from.

You're funny Brolga. Jesus really is the answer for you huh?

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spitchips
Rank：Rookier III Score：2050 Posts：98 From：Australia Register：25/10/2008 4:59 AM	Date Posted：28/03/2010 8:43 AMCopy HTML "Today, Palm Sunday, remembers an exciting event. Jesus entered the "King's city" before thousands waving palm branches, singing rousing warcrys, and cheering their hero king. No doubt it was intoxicating: the masses electrified by the moment. No one could be more popular. The next day in the temple, filled with range, yelling at the top of his voice, Jesus damned what he saw. Violently, to everyone's horror, whip in hand, he turned 'church' into chaos. Jesus plummeted from favoured heights to outcast. By condemning what he saw, Jesus sealed solid his fate. In five days he was murdered. The very same crowds again cheering, but this time with ridicule as he died in agony." No room for the whole piece here, written by Richard James from St Thomas, but I like his turn of phrase; placing events in time and space aids understanding. Spitchips
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Thinking about Easter Date Posted：29/03/2010 1:08 AMCopy HTML Reply to spitchips The next day in the temple, filled with range, yelling at the top of his voice, Jesus damned what he saw. Violently, to everyone's horror, whip in hand, he turned 'church' into chaos. Jesus plummeted from favoured heights to outcast. By condemning what he saw, Jesus sealed solid his fate. In five days he was murdered. The very same crowds again cheering, but this time with ridicule as he died in agony." Same thing happened to Obi Wan just a few days after clearing the cantina on Tatooine. One minute he's all 'lightsaber and twists', the next he's just a still small voice in Luke's 'heart'. Selah.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Thinking about Easter Date Posted：29/03/2010 2:45 AMCopy HTML Reply to brolga That's right, film producers copy a lot from bible narratives. I've never seen a movie yet that's original in concept Yep. You're so right. Pop culture is rife with it. LOST is full of Bible narratives this season. I heard that show KINGS was a modern adaptation of the books of I & II Chronicles too (although it never got past season 1). It's because we resonate with the cultural archetypes. I'm not trying to be dismissive or contentious but the archetypes predate the Bible. Light vs. darkness and the cosmic struggle owes more to the Zoroastrians in it's origins than the Jews. The Old Testament picture of Satan did not show him to be as powerful as he was later shown to be in the New Testament (compare Job to the Gospels and even Revelation). Some assert that was due to the Jews being more highly exposed to the other religions of the ancient Middle East during the Babylonian exile and so Satan came to be thought of as far more similar to those "agents of evil" than the original Jewish picture (again, see Job). Of course by the Middle Ages, western culture had built Satan up into a kind of trickster demi-god (like Loki) who was only just slightly less powerful than Jesus, at least in the lives of men. Mormons actually believe Satan was Jesus' spirit brother in heaven, i.e. the literal children of 'Heavenly Father' and the two fight an ongoing battle today that was started in Heaven before our world was created. Fascinating stuff.
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Rank：Regular Rookier Score：5980 Posts：293 From：Australia Register：21/04/2008 10:04 PM	Re：Thinking about Easter Date Posted：29/03/2010 3:13 AMCopy HTML Hi Troy, Isn't the key issue here, though, (if you want to debunk Xianity) the historicity of the crucifixion/resurrection event? The evidence for Mann-made global warming is unequivocal.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Thinking about Easter Date Posted：29/03/2010 4:14 AMCopy HTML @Talmid - Well, I don't know if this is the room for an attempt to 'debunk' Christianity. I was even a little hesitant about posting what I did post above. I don't want people to think the prophecies of an "Atheist' board were coming true. Now that I think about it, I also don't want to be seen stomping over the crucifixion story during Passion week, a very holy time to many here. So no, I won't be doing that in this room, or this week. :) @brolga - I don't believe that Moses did write Genesis, but the spirit of what you say is indeed true in that a lot of the language of Genesis seems to have been intentionally used with a view to show a very clear distinction between (and superiority of) the Hebrew god and this creation account from the gods and creation stories of their neighbours. But that opens up an interesting point, that the writers themselves were very aware of the similarities and set about to make their story distinct. So the differences are intentional. There are some great books on this topic of course, many written from a historical perspective, not faith. I heard a great audio series on it this topic. You can find it here (but cheaper here). Of course there are a lot of believers who don't believe the creation narratives of Genesis are literal and still believe in the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Anyway, Happy Easter! :)
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Rank：Forum Oracle Score：41550 Posts：1881 From：Australia Register：27/02/2004 11:21 PM	Re：Thinking about Easter Date Posted：29/03/2010 4:54 AMCopy HTML Reply to brolga That's right, film producers similate a lot from bible narratives. I've never seen a movie yet that's original in concept Sounds like you don't see many movies then, though it is difficult to write an original plot after people have been writing stories for thousands of years. How about 'Up' where the old fella tied thousands of balloons to his house to move it to fulfill his late wife's wish. That's gotta be fairly original, but I suppose you can spin any analogy into it you like and give it a bible theme. Instagram and Twitter: @mothpete
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Thinking about Easter Date Posted：29/03/2010 5:13 AMCopy HTML Reply to MothandRust How about 'Up' where the old fella tied thousands of balloons to his house to move it to fulfill his late wife's wish. That's gotta be fairly original, but I suppose you can spin any analogy into it you like and give it a bible theme. Easy done. Balaam and his talking donkey...dude and his talking dog. Sorry, 'Up' is complete Bible. ;p
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Thinking about Easter Date Posted：29/03/2010 5:16 AMCopy HTML Hi moth, That's a fair statement, but you gotta admit the bible is probably the best scource to draw the "plot" from.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Thinking about Easter Date Posted：29/03/2010 6:15 AMCopy HTML Reply to brolga That's a fair statement, but you gotta admit the bible is probably the best scource to draw the "plot" from. You're funny Brolga. Jesus really is the answer for you huh?