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Date Posted：19/01/2008 9:20 AMCopy HTML Ok... let's see what's going on behind the scene of CAI... just to show you how poor people in CAI are lied constantly by the leadership... People like Michy, Lars, Drew, Andrew (yep Andrew, you've become a very good liar as one can see below again)... What about Sam Barber.??? Still there Sam, lost your conscience? Anyway... let's go back to that "VERY" anointed report from the last XMAS AGM in Switzerland [EMOTE]smiley-wink.gif[/EMOTE]: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .... "Then Andrew made an announcement which for all of us was a great joy to hear. The KG and RG had approached Pastor Scott and asked him to take up again the office of Pastor and Overseer of these Christian Assemblies International. Scott was very moved and accepted his position again...." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok... reading this, you think that ALL KG and RG asked the sexual abuser Scott Williams to take up his office again???? Well, here is an other side of the story from some elders of CAI who were asked their opinion on the matter: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Over the past few months Scott has been indicating to and encouraging a few senior officers to restore him and implicating that the brethren are a little slow in doing so. He also indicated that the Lord has shown him that he has been restored a month after everything happened and that the Lord never showed him to resign in the first place. Nevertheless on at least 2 occasions Scott "stepped back" out of his own accord consulting only with a few brethren which we were not part of." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am not inventing here!!!... This has been sent to the secretaries on the 23rd of December by some elders of CAI who were asked their opinion on the fact that Scott should be back as the Overseer and Pastor of CAI. No wonder why they refused Scott's "promotion"!... They had the gust to front the other KG / RG with some quite disturbing facts. No wonder why more people are leaving CAI!! This proves clearly - AGAIN - how Scott Williams is pulling the string of all the arse lickers officers like Lars, Drew, Andrew in order to do what he wants!!! [EMOTE]smiley-innocent.gif[/EMOTE] Those poor pharisees believe Scott like mad, but it will be a shock when they realise one day that the Lord who is "showing" things to Scott Williams is not Jesus Christ!!! Until then... give the money to uncle Scotty!!!... and of course to "VERY" humble Michy as well!!! [EMOTE]smiley-money-mouth.gif[/EMOTE] May the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy to all the CAI members as he did with us... and may He also hear our cries and do justice to all those who have been abused, lied and destroyed by Scott Williams. Amen! In the mean time, let's continue to spread the truth to all CAI members, so they realise how they are being lied to and abused by a bunch of wolves with white clothes! Sam R. |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：19/01/2008 12:33 PMCopy HTML what happened to the opposers (guess they are branded as "rebels" "reprobates" and "satanic") and who are they? Mark P. and Tomas B.?
Who ever they are: GREAT that some seem to have some conscience left and FINALLY spoke up! Lars, Andrew, Drew, Franz, Torben! etc: those boot lickers are just like the scum who promoted and helped thugs like Hitler or Stalin - you are certainly the worst material one can think of to build a CHURCH! Your bill is raising and your clock is ticking. Good luck! |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：19/01/2008 12:50 PMCopy HTML Isn't Franz now called "Fraser" - and I presume Andrew will soon be "Andrés".
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：20/01/2008 6:04 PMCopy HTML Was this xmas 2007. There most recent agm.
They refer to this visit to the chalette as the agm when an agm must surley be an official meeting which will last say an hour at tops. Are all members that go out to the chalette actualy present at the official meeting where office bearers etc would be nominated, in a proper fashion ie proposers seconders etc. |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：20/01/2008 7:55 PMCopy HTML The last post must have been translated through google or another translation robot on the web :-)
Anyway, yep this Xmas was in 2007... and the report from their "AGM" is from that time. AGM used to be in August... but I guess that they are so many members now that they can them anytime in the year :-) Have heard that Scott made the prophecy that falling brethren would stop from February 08 and then more people would get saved!! Another rubbish prophecy from Scott Williams the false prophet!... who, for instance, said during the Officers' meeting in Bradfield, that the Lord had shown him there would be growth from now on up to 2000 (or maybe 3000... can remember the exact number) and that after that there would be a big rebellion/persecution. Well, well... a few month later his prophecy appeared to be a false one!... as usual. But there are always boot leakers around who are ready to imagine old prophecies to remind the deluded false prophet Scott Williams that he is led by the Lord! (and which Lord? not Jesus Christ for sure) Are there any other prophets within CAI??? Any other people who are claiming gifts that only Scott can impart and proclaim for glory??? Have you never realised how Scott is always making sure he is THE ONE who is doing everything in CAI... and nobody can match his righteousness???? Well, what kind of rigtheousness does he have???... especially when one knows all the lies he is spreading around about himself and others!!! Did he also prophecied how many young guys he would get in his bed by then???? Maybe his Lord showed him as well!! What you sow you will reap Scott Williams!... and you have sown a lot of evil!... Can't wait to see you on Judgement Day Scott Williams, for as Heb. 13 clearly states, you will have to give an account on how you "looked" after us! And boy... I would not like to be at your place Scott Williams!!!!! Until then... enjoy your bloody title of Pastor and Overseer, because before God it isn't worth much! |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：20/01/2008 8:22 PMCopy HTML I never heard a prophecy of growing to 600 and then loads falling away. Unless it was made after I left.
2 I can remember: we would grow to about 1000 - and everyone now in the assembly (this was early 90s, we were around 300 as always), would have an "office". So when did the 600 prophecy come in? Another one - we were singing "Happy Day" at the chalet and Scott jumped up afterwards and "prophesied" that we would be singing this in air raid shelters with our kids dying and rotting around us and would remember that day at the chalet. Well, basically hardly anyone who was there is left, and I don't see myself sitting in an air raid shelter any time soon.... |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：20/01/2008 9:43 PMCopy HTML And then there was the other one where we would grow up to 3000 - then the big split (or test or whatever...) would come - oh - and yes the one where the assembly, once it reached 600, would grow quickly.
Have been more than once in a situation where Mr. Williams asked some officer to recall certain historical events, prophecies, teachings etc. - and most of the time he would quickly jump in an correct that person if the event was not recalled correctly. Thus he made sure that his version of whatever he wanted to recall was used ... In the "old days" it was compulsary for all of us to learn how to cook English breakfast, with bacon, egg, fried mushrooms and all the rest of it.... on woe behold if the wife could not match the English standard... then you press the fast forward button and a few years later the whole assembly ends up eating fruit for breakfast... or ends up on Atkin's diet - or whatever pleased the so called overseer. What a farce..!! Well... he built his own little universe and tries to keep it spinning - but how does the old saying go "What goes up - must come down." Regards - E.I.T.S. (eye in the sky) |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：20/01/2008 10:30 PMCopy HTML oh yes, it is remarkable that we had to cook english .... the rotten english kitchen, well known on earth as one of the worstest cusine in the world ... ha ha ha .... how stupid we have been !
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：20/01/2008 11:24 PMCopy HTML sorry, but the menus were not English. They were stodge put together by people who had not even tried them out. Proper English food is tasty, but it has to have been prepared properly and not just some random recipes pulled out of what were Aussie cookbooks and put together to form inedible 3 course meals.
The worst cuisine in the world by far is American........ |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 1:27 AMCopy HTML The worst cuisine in the world by far is American........ I am quite sure that the fine dining restaurants in New York, Chicago or San Fransisco would beg to differ with you.
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 1:41 AMCopy HTML I love it!!!! |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 3:15 AMCopy HTML Australia use to follow the English tradition of over cooking vegetables till they were tasteless. I remember my dad bringing home a steamer gadget and for the first time in my life my mother cooked tasty vegetables. My German grandfather made a potato salad that was superb. My sojourn in Engalnd intoduced me to gastly, vomit like, mushy peas, fish and chips cooked in pig fat, pies floating in gravy ("a pie floater"), jellied eel (in GREEN jelly), pudding that resembled building masonry, digestive buscuits that looked and smelled like the biscuits I used to feed my dog. No wonder so many English people have rotten, or false teeth, their diet is atrocious.
Unfortunately a few migrants brought some other bad items to Australia. Souvlaki...every few years the health authorities fine Greek restauranteurs for the selmonela on rotating lamb that has "matured". That is when the Greeks aren't out trying to brawl at the soccer or tennis. I think so many Greek women wear black in mourning for their dead cuisine. On the subject of cuisine...."Nouvelle Cuisine" is of course French for "stingy portions", lovely food if you like strange taste but artistic style. Any race reduced to eating frogs legs and snails has my sympathy. Old style Italian thin pizza with yummy stuff on it gave way to "Pizza Hut", American style sweet pizza that had air pumped into the crust so as to resemble a cushion. Italian Pasta is good if you know the different kinds and which goes well with the other ingredients. What is it with sun dried tomatoes? They didn't like the sweet juicy taste so they dried them till they were shrivelled and bitter? Warm salad? What a demented idea! Of course the English occasionaly try to mimic the better Continental chefs and usually get it wrong. Lisping, noncing, Jamie Oliver piles in so many herbs and garlic and sauces that the taste of the main item is drowned or dead and buried. Modern chefs include so much garlic, that the meat could be recycled leather shoe, and one wouldn't know because of the garlic kill. Turkish food is good and we frequented a place that had lots of choices, including a list of dips as long as your arm, plus fantastic main courses and mouth watering deserts. They then closed because their hygiene was so dodgy they managed to give food poisoning to a few hundered people. The same happened to a very famous Indian restaurant. It made the "Health Inspector" episode of Faulty Towers look like a Sunday School picnic. Slopping soppy food into your mouth with your fingers is NOT a good look! Spoons come in lots of sizes! How any self respecting German could fall for the Williams "Israelite Food" scam evades me. English sausages instead of wurst? What were you thinking? Stodgy pudding instead of strudel? I was sternly exhorted about the "Verboten Blutwurst" (bloodsausage or black pudding) by one of Scott's Gestapo. The exhorter was quite dismayed when I laughed off the theory that it contravened the "blood laws". So does most of the meat bought from a non-Kosher or non-Halal butcher shop. Scott wouldn't know the food laws if they were tattooed on Michy's backside cheeks. If Ree had made prisoners of war eat her food, she could have been tried in the Hague for war crimes. I might add, that she also put me off my food for a variety of other reasons. |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 7:15 AMCopy HTML sounds more like Scotland or northern England to me.... every country does of course also have its regions. The most disgusting food in Germany being from Bavaria, and the people there don't look too hot either. And yes, it's a generalisation; of course they do not all have blue-hued skin and fat guts.
As for fine dining in the US? They wouldn't know what it was if it hit them in the face. I went to a "Banquet" in the US. The starter was a salad - how innovative! The coffee was served before the dessert, was lukewarm and the salty chlorinated taste of tapwater was not masked by the flavour of the coffee. The Americans raved - they'd never eaten such gourmet food. The mind boggles. |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 7:16 AMCopy HTML forgot to mention the culinary Austrian delights of the chalet......ok admittedly the food at Cornwall resembled 1970s school dinners but at least we were not all running around farting all day.
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 8:31 AMCopy HTML
In defence of Austrian food I have to say, that the things served at the chalet in Reute don't resemble the cuisin I know from my mother. We might not have the most healthy food in the world (to much sweet dishes), but I remember lots of vegetables, little meat, potatoes and of course sweet main dishes (didn't mind them as a kid). And believe it or not, there are regional differences you might not imagine in a small country like Austria. Angelika |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 9:20 AMCopy HTML The problem here is that ASW placed too much emphasis and attention on himself. Now let's take a closer look at some of his claims:
- upper-class upbringing. Now, we all know that his father has never been "the main officer at the bla-bla-bla military school". Neither was he a fieldmarshal-Fuehrer-Generalissimums or anything of that kind. His family is hardly aristocratic. We used to say among my family and friends - "got no brains - go to the army" (sorry to those with the military background). - super education and exceptional historical knowledge. Just what was his education then? A humble teacher - that's hardly superior. I cringed most of the time he raved on about history, especially relating to Russia. Some of what he said was correct and accurate, but the vast majority made me smile. Do you remember the ravings about Anna Andersson who claimed to be Anastasia, the Russian Princess? Or that Alexei, the son of Nicholas II has survived and either 1) hid himself among the cossacks in Caucasis (the cossacks were eliminated in the 30s by Uncle Jo, so he could not have done that) or 2) immigrated to Canada (I am sure you might come across him or his descendants one day, George -))). - his clams of language abilities. Now those whos mother-tongue is German can correct me if I am wrong but take ANY talk he gave in German. In EVERY sentence he said he made mistakes - if you look closely at all the endings, der-die-das, placing of words in difficult sentences, his pronounciation etc. His Wortschatz/vocabulary was not the widest either. HIs wife's German was non existing... That all looks funny when you consider his demands that we Europeans must speak perfect, practically accent-free English. I leave the question as to WHY we have to speak English at all out of this discussion - just how good was his French? - he claimed to me that he "once upon a time" was fluent in Russian. Now Russian is probably one of the most complicated languages in the world, alongside with Finnish and Hungarian. By the time I met him he could only say "Privet-Do svodan'ya-Perestrojka-Glasnost'-Gorbatschow" in Russian. He could not understand anything I replied to him of course. -) - That brings us all to the claim of his extreme importance in the Christian world - but I won't comment on that one here -) - Food? Same here.. Whatever he ate and liked must by definition be the best, the tastiest etc. We all know that the British cuisine is, shall we politely say, "lacking" -) Shephards pie, fish'n'chips, although terribly unhealthy, are simply great. Sheeps' stomachs stuffed with meat and lard are in my view simply disgusting. German cuisine is much better if you leave pig's ears and some other horrible stuff out. Same with the French - leave the frogs and snales out. The bottomline is: what's wrong with being normal and eating simply what you liked? No, uncle Schrottie had a saying on that one of course. I remember nightmare public sessions in Scotland when German people were reprimanded and humiliated for keeping some German wurst in their fridges and drinking mixed Coke and orange juice. - If Schrottie's eating habits were supposed to be an example to us all: why was he so bloody fat?! His boyfriend was not the slimmest either, aparentlly. Anyway, I will get off the pulpit here -) Hi to everyone from beautiful Stockholm, Dima |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 10:36 AMCopy HTML
Give me a big bowl of scouse mmmm |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 12:22 PMCopy HTML What's scouse? Used to mean liverpudlian when I lived in the UK - or is this more shocking news about fallen wolves who have now turned to cannabalism. As for Scott claiming to speak Russian? How did you contain your laughter Dima? I remember at one HV Tomas Demirci's mum was trying to tell him something in Armenian and Tom's sister was translating when Scott told her she didn't need to anymore as he could understand. Yeah, right, he probably just didn't want to listen. I would also be interested in knowing how good his French really was, since he was apparently a French teacher? If his level of French as good as the French teachers in England then he probably speaks about as much as me! C'est tout!
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 12:48 PMCopy HTML Let's hope this fat swine dies before he repents - I wouldn't like to know that this piece of human shit made it into heaven!
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 2:08 PMCopy HTML As for Scott claiming to speak Russian? How did you contain your laughter Dima?
I didn't laugh at the time - I could not figure out what he was up to. I found it strange, but nothing more than that. I also found strange some of his obvious historical blunders in relation to Russia - I just thought "here goes another foreigner thinking that there are bears dancing Kalinka on the Red Square while drinking vodka and playing balalaika". He used to say that Cossacks are "obvious British Israelites"... Now had he known his subject he would have known that Cossacks were just ordinary Russian peasants, who escaped their slavery, settled in certain provinces of the then Russian Empire and who got privileges & freedoms for guarding Russian boarders. They are NOT a stock of people. It is kinda slaves escaping into areas where the government could not excercise control. Now there are two interesting questions I would like to ask to those who know the background: 1) in what assembly was Schrottie saved then, who was his pastor and "responsible" for him and what happened afterwards? Did he leave / break away / was released from under that pastors responsibility? I could NEVER figure out what exactly had happened there. There were so many stories told... 2) Schrottie boasted of his work behind the Iron Curtain when he was in West Germany. What's that all about? O yes, before I forget... He said (quote): "Concentrate on converting blond blue-eyed Russians, forget the dark-haired Edomite dogs". His boyfriend was not exactly a blond blue-eyed stereotype, wozz 'e? And another wonderful quote from one of his famous visits to Russia: "My job is not to convert people". Dima |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 2:40 PMCopy HTML well then he's certainly doing his job....
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 3:13 PMCopy HTML Another great quote from Scott:
"Your shit country..." - Talking about Scotland, and how Australia is so much better, the promised land etc etc etc..... No offence to any Aussies, but I spent a month there, enjoyed it but that was plenty for me. Maybe ok for some - or easier if you've grown up there and accustomed to it - but I personally found the heat debilitating, verging on oppresive and was generally glad to get home. But to be fair like lots of other CAI people, my apetite for Australia was already put off a bit by the fact that I was often told my own country was 'shit' and his was so glorious and wonderful. So I apologise to any Aussies for the sour apples. Scott, if Australia is so good then why the fuck are half the population living in Edinburgh? To the person who queried what scouse is; as well as being the name for someone from Liverpool it's also the name of a stew made there with meat and potatoes and stuff and whatever else you having lying around and want to throw in the pot. Liverpudlian equivalent of Scotland's 'mince n tatties'. ie, peasant food maybe eaten by sailors and probably also Irish immigrants who came to the west of Scotland and Liverpool etc. Personally I love it; quality stodge; if you ever get some I recommend you eat it with a spoon so that you can properly shovel it in in the least civilised manner possible. Experience the pleasant after-taste by not holding back on a huge burp once you've finished licking the bowl. Many a time I wanted to suggest that we serve this at a PH dinner night rather than the same old damn steak with pepper sauce!.. Scott's favourite and therefore EVERYONE's favourite! ico4u |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 6:18 PMCopy HTML Guys - this is funny! LOL. Regarding Australia - I am not really into beaches in a big way, neither do I like the heat. So it is not really the place for me either! It is "nice", but not the best place on earth. I far prefered St. Petersburg to any of the cities in Australia. And I agree with ico4u - mince and tatties are awesome! And my Canadian kids have all been converted too. In fact they also love Scottish pies and bridies too. Can't beat them! And haggis is fantastic. Love it. Washed down with some good old Irn-Bru of course. I often suggested to Andrew that he take all of the non-Scots on a proper crash course of Scotland. Go and visit Banockburn, get a fish supper and some pickled onions (with bru of course) for lunch, and mince and tatties for dinner while watching Braveheart. Now that sounds like a GREAT day to me! I remember one time during the officers talks upstairs at Cornwall that Scott was raving yet again how all of the Scots were raised as "gutter rats". I had had enough, and spoke up, told him it was not true at all. That my family was quite comfortably middle-class, my dad was a senior manager at his firm, and that we had learned as much manners at home as we had in the assembly. He backed down pretty quickly, mumbled something like "well, maybe not ALL the Scots are gutter-rats, but most are" and then continued on. It felt good to correct him! Just like one other fallacy floating around the assembly - that Hudson Taylor made all his missionaries learn the Gospel of John off by heart in fluent Chinese within 6 months or he sent them home. I corrected Scott loads of times on that one - but he never really took the point. Because if Hudson Taylor had demanded that, he would have been alone! What he did require was the before coming to China his missionaries learn Chinese, and within 6 months they would be able to fluently converse about and preach from the gospel of John. NOTHING to do with memorizing the thing whatsoever. Who could that? Superman perhaps.
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 6:45 PMCopy HTML "I remember one time during the officers talks upstairs at Cornwall that Scott was raving yet again how all of the Scots were raised as "gutter rats". I had had enough, and spoke up, told him it was not true at all. That my family was quite comfortably middle-class, my dad was a senior manager at his firm, and that we had learned as much manners at home as we had in the assembly. He backed down pretty quickly, mumbled something like "well, maybe not ALL the Scots are gutter-rats, but most are" and then continued on. It felt good to correct him"
WOW, wish I'd been there. That used to piss me off too, especially when people like Andrew started saying it as well. We were once in a restaurant and when the waitress came with the food someone wasn't paying attention and didn't immediately shout "yes" when she named the dish, so Andrew went mental at her about how we were all gutter rats. Yeah right... if it had been a restaurant of any class the waitress would have known who was having what but anyway.... As for manners in the assembly, what was all the bullshit about putting your knife and fork at "5 o'clock", even though it was actually 5.25... I never saw that anywhere else and do not come from a bad family either. xxx of my family does that and I haven't seen anyone doing it in a posh restaurant. However, I am still trying to break the habit after having it battered into me for so long. I think one of the ways Scott keeps a hold on people is because phrases such as "we teach you how to handle your money, act in public, treat your family, etc. etc." get bandied around all the time and you get brainwashed into thinking that if you weren't in the assembly you would be an absolute idiot with no money, unable to find a wife, hold a job, buy a house, etc. Which is just not true; otherwise the world outside the CAI would be in pieces. That was one of the things that made me leave in the end. I met up with some old friends I hadn't seen from school. xxx of them were in debt, they were all in stable relationships, they all owned their homes etc. etc. and had never been anywhere near the CAI. I felt like a child in comparison, always having to ask permission for every silly little thing. |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：21/01/2008 8:40 PMCopy HTML it tooks me more or less one year to be free from debts after leaving the cult. I had a lot of debts through a mixture of my own foolishness (I was too young as I came into the sect) and another foolishness paying money to such a swine, driving around etc ... you all know what I mean ... !
It is remarkable that I got a lot of GODS love and grace directly after the CAI. Jesus wanted to show His real love. - IAM FREE - Praise the Lord ! - The real Lord ! |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：22/01/2008 9:17 AMCopy HTML Thanks for your post, George! If you do not mind, I would add a couple of things, which I am a witness to:
Dima - Yeah, Scott always taught about Anna Anderson. Although he kinda disagrees with the guy in Canada being Alexei. I think John Whyte found a conspiracy web-site about it, but Scott mostly distanced himself from that as far as I know. He taught about that guy, allegedly Alexei, publicly to the cult in either a HQL or a separate message. I remember taking part in translating it. He never denounced it, although everybody in his right mind knows that this is a load of rubbish. Now, another thing he taught about Alexey was that he escaped, was taken and sheltered by the cossacks in Southern Russia and there he ended his days after the WWII. I heard that one personally. Not defending the man, but I have to say that his knoweldge of Russian history WAS better than average, though lacking in areas for sure. For example, when touring the Hermitage for the first time, he did ask to certain important rooms. And at least on the first visit to Russia, he was actually, on the whole, a very nice and interested guest. I was pleasently surprised. Well, George, you know that the average knowledge of a Western person regarding Russian history is very limited. Point here is that he claimed to be an EXPERT in Russian history. He knew certain things, no doubt about that, but that knowledge came from reading Traveller's Guides and watching kind of BBC documentaries. All of his visits to Russia that I experienced were horrible and far from pleasant. The anger of the lord he called it (I'm deleberately not writing "lord" with a capital L...) He did claim that he was fluent in Russian once upon a time.
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：22/01/2008 1:57 PMCopy HTML Amen to all that.
Not to blow my own trumpet, but I'm Scottish and have more academic qualifications than ASW could even dream about. And I'm not the only one who is/was in CAI. |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：22/01/2008 2:19 PMCopy HTML Dima, to answer your questions....
Now there are two interesting questions I would like to ask to those who know the background: 1) in what assembly was Schrottie saved then, who was his pastor and "responsible" for him and what happened afterwards? Did he leave / break away / was released from under that pastors responsibility? I could NEVER figure out what exactly had happened there. There were so many stories told... 2) Schrottie boasted of his work behind the Iron Curtain when he was in West Germany. What's that all about? Ken Kinnane, his brother Daryl, his sister Robyn and the father and mother (Jim and Dorothy) were in the Ballarat Assembly of the Revival Centre. Ken witnessed to his teacher Scott. Scott joined the Revival Centre. There was a power struggle between Jim Kinnane and the Pastor, Peter Kay. Jim rallied people to him, including Scott (hmmmmm rebellion I hear you say!). They formed a breakaway group and called it the Pentecost Revival Centre. They spoke with rancour about the Revival Centre, especially about Peter Kay. When Jim decided that we in the PRC should "go into all the world...." I was sent first, not by revelation or by the Spirit, but under command, to England. Scott started having "visions" and followed hot on my heels, well not really, he went on an ocean cruise and landed in Southampton, where I was commanded to collect him, because I was the "gopher". Go for this, go for that....... Scott stayed at my house at first, then he commanded me to negotiaite buying him his new VW Kombi Van, while he sashayed over to Munchen to scout out the place for the start of the Pfingsten Erweckungs Bewegung, later to become Christian Assemblies Europe, later to become Christian Assemblies Internation, later to become Scott & Michy's Gay Retirement Club. Up until my departure in 1981 from "The Blessed Isle" for return to the nice part of Australia (not the sticky, horrible, hot, north), Fuhrer Scott had not been anywhere near Russia. I have asked Wolfy and others about what happened after 1981 and they agree that his Russia years are "fairy stories". I have seen Scott speaking to French tourists, one of which complimented him on his French. He did teach French in Australia. But bear in mind, that it is only in recent years Australia had taken to teaching languages in a serious way. High school French in the 60s was atrocious. Because of my half German lineage I would have liked to have learnt German at school. Not possible. I was instead taught French by a woman who dressed like she had stepped out of a Bavarian Folk Festival. Her name was Mrs Steel-Smith (abviously Anglicised) and was as German as bratwurst. Half of the kids I went to school with were Jewish. One of my closest friends is a Jew from all those years ago.....yeah I know.....he must be nutty to still be my friend. We still laugh at how parochial Australia was then. It wasn't helped by the nutcases they allowed to be teachers! Such as ASW. I hope this answers your question and clears up the bovine excretement. John |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：22/01/2008 3:07 PMCopy HTML Thanks for your answer, John! Read it with great interest. You might know and therefore understand that there were so many stories told by ASW about his past and they were all so foggy and unclear, that I could never really understand the full picture. I never dared to ask myself either. Your answer puts some things into perspective.
One of the stories he told was that Jim K. was legalistic and he (ASW) was the one who brought life and converts into the group. I dunno about that one... He also bragged often that you and others in Britain were no good missionaries, "lived your own lifes", didnt preach to your work colleagues, died in your faith and therefore did not succeed as missionaries and therefore had to leave back to Aussie. Now looking back the only thing I can see that he either a) lied, or b) so grossly exaggerated things that they eventually became pure lies (e.g. Russia etc). May I ask you another thing, that puzzles me: why was the contact with hm cut from Australia? If you read the cai website, you might see why I am asking this question. ASW often told how ununderstanding, rude, ignorant and inconsiderate Jim K was when he visited Scott in Germany (e.g. ASW & family had almost nothing to eat, which I find in itself rather questionable, as Germany was a properous country at that time, etc etc). Why was the contact with his father cut? I presume (but that only is a presumption, nothing more) that his old man got to know that ASW was a bit of a poofter. Thanks in advance! Dima |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：23/01/2008 8:23 AMCopy HTML Dima,
Jim Kinnane always was a bitter, nasty man. Scott was always happy and gay (I use the old sense of the word...). Indeed he got more converts than anyone else. His comments about the English assembly were pretty accurate. I witnessed to everyone I knew. Not many did. After a some considerable time in Britain, I had reason to see my so-called pastor at his work. His close friend and colleague, didn't even have an inkling he was a Christian, let alone a pastor. The pastor was visibly embarrassed. I didn't "have to leave". I challenged the corruption, was put out of fellowship, asked to come back and by that time realised I wanted no part of it. I had on several occasions stood by Scott when he waivered. When my turn came he did nothing. Many years later he boasted how he was Second in Command of the PRC. Hmmmm, gutless or coniving or both. Scott had nothing to eat in Germany....cloth ears......you misheard him ! He had no man to eat ! Seriously, he left Australia with more than enough money. He got a job at Max Factor and then with the army as a swimming coach. He never went without. Besides, he knew we (my wife and I) would help if necessary. We had different people living with us for over half of the 5+ years we were in the Land of the Great Unwashed. In my last few years in The Land of Endless Whinging, I had a very high paid job. Freely I recieved, freely I gave. I am amused at his tales of woe. He had little to cry about. His handkerchief was drier than a Pommy's bathtowel. Jim Kinnane knew Scott was a trapdoor spider from the early days when he discovered him in bed with his son. I came into the assembly a little while after it happened, cica 1970. Scott told me about it in 1994 (after my "Prodigal" years). I and many others were young and naive in those early days. I am exceedingly wise in hindsight. I have perfect 20 20 hindsight vision. There was a large percentage of pastors who were effeminate, repented gays and closet gays (I found at later from a few of the poor sweet gals that married them). They were sent by Scott for training with Jim. What was that all about? God knows. Was Jim rude etc when he visited Germany in the early 80s? Probably. Did Scott drive him nuts with the shoes and socks and straight towels and goose-stepping and precise salutes and heel clicking and correct pronunciation of "Heil Scott der Fuhrer" routines. Undoubtedly! Jim was from Ballarat. A mannerless boor ! If you wanted to give the world an enema.....you would stick it in Ballarat. Scott had grown up with army people. These were people of the armed forces, soldiers......you know.....morons! There's an old quote about puting your son in the army or the clergy if he is a misfit. Australia has always put its army bases in the most ugliest, bleak and wretched of places, and populated them with like people. Like monastaries they are suited to folk who are best kept separated from the nicer folk, till you want them to die for some reason or other. From what I can fathom Scott had fallen out with his parents long before his Revival Centre or PRC days. Perhaps his father had caught him with a Drill Sergeant (bad pun). Who knows? Who cares? Here I am in nearing my "Götterdämmerung" years. I haves seen servants on horses, and princes walking as servants upon the earth (Ecclesiasties 10:7) There are current examples who post here....Satan's little helpers. Puffed up. To quote Plato "power should be confined to men that are not in love with it". Pray that we may all have peace of mind and and above all salvation in Christ. John |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：24/01/2008 8:58 AMCopy HTML John - thank you very very much for your answer! I read it several times with great interest! And the Scripture you qouted was very appropriate and fitting.
I asked that question several times - how come did ASW have nothing to eat in Germany having 3 jobs and only renting part of the house? That just does add up. Germany was and still is a very rich prosperous and pleasant country. Especially at that time. I believe it was one of his exaggerated lying stories. Think about it - a man had 3 jobs, not too many expeces given he rented part of the house, only one child and did not travel much. I can understand why Germans, whom I have experienced as nice tolerant people, could not stand him with his British ravings and why he had no friends there. Imagine somebody coming to your country who would start activelly slagging it off, its customs, food and traditions and would genuinly enjoy that?! I loved your comments about the pomms and the military people -) I laughed... Since my time in the cai I have become extremely critical of anything British or English speaking. I hope you understand what I am trying to say - I was force fed with all that BI stuff, was forced to "love" your country (which I actually think is very pleasant and nice, especially Melbourne), always heard about how wonderful anything British was and how awful anything German-French-European was. I was a very liberal, kinda american Democrat person before I got saved. I was mentally "raped" by the cult with Williams' racist anti-Semitic agenda, white supremacy and all that jazz. I cant wait till Obama becomes the next president in the States or prince Williams would start going out with an Indian girl -) Williams often raved about Nazis and all that... It would be ludicrous for me to defend them, given that a large part of my family got dispersed and perished in a ghetto, BUT: the idea of KZ (concentration camps) is actually british and not German, applied in the Bur war in SA... the atrocities the Brits have commintted in the colonies, slave trade, their disgusting policies in Palestine and Israel right after the war etc etc by far "uebertreffen" the nazi atrocities. When the Nazis bombed Britain they primarily target industrial or administrative centres, yet when the Brits bombed Germany they purposely bombed civilian areas causing thousands of deaths among innocent civilians (e.g. Hamburg or Dresden). Williams probably also forgot that the tube in London was built by French PoWs... Point being - there is nothing just black and white in this world - pure nice innocent wonderful Brits and just horrible awful Germany and Europe. Williams raved on about the EU... But he was biting the hand that was feeding him - had it not been for EU, he could never settle in Germany and the German guys could never settle in Britain. Before Sweden joined the EU, the Europeans cound not settle here, for instance. Of course it is not an ideal set up, we all know that, but still... Anyway, I will stop here. It is just that you touched certain strings in my soul that still hurt. I had to get them off my chest. I often think - why does the Lord not do anything to that con?! Well, why does He not do anything to the Pope? It is a rhetoric question. BTW, even still in cult, I had a feeling that Williams was extremely envious and jealous that you had become a wealthy man. I heard some of his remarks and comments... Take care and love in Him, Dima (khalizov@hotmail.com) |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：25/01/2008 1:03 AMCopy HTML Hey Dima
- great to read your posts... very informative and interesting... I knew you one time, but you stuck about a lot longer than I; so I don't know exactly your story. That is partly besides the point. We all have hurts etc... it'll take time to subside, but thankfully the forum is available and people can express their thoughts etc...! Anyway back to yourself you asked (rhetorically perhaps?) : why does the Lord not do anything to that con?! --- we my personal feeling is that God doesn't actually exist - ~He's as big a con as the Fat Sod Scott... (tough luck I suppose! ). Sorry, byt possibly this is why He doesn't do anything.... it'll be up to others/us/mystical powers/aliens ?!/a horrible incurable disease/nuclear bomb/ or a natural disaster to end Scott's tyranny and little empire of hate. Take care mate and keep working at it ! Life gets better anon1 |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：25/01/2008 8:43 AMCopy HTML Hi anon,
thanks for your post. If you wish, just drop me a line to my email (khalizov@hotmail.com) I still do believe in God and want to follow Him. I cannot deny the experiences I had with Him and His involvement in my life. This has NOTHING, absolutely nothing to do with the sect. I do believe He is real and He does exist. You dont - fair enuff. I believe He is much more complex and complicated than what the sect made Him out to be. Is it so that only those that speak-in-tongue-baptised-by-full-emersion are saved? Well, that would place the whole of the Salvation Army out of that, because they were not taught to be baptised. That would be 'a bit' cruel, wouldnt it?! There is another interesting question: why was the roman legioner (or whatever his title was) Cornelius, about whom Jesus said that "such faith have I not found in Israel" counted for righteous? He was a Roman - not allowed to worship with the Jews, yet he was still counted righteous. He helped to build synagogue and paid alms to the poor... Is that enough then to be righteous? I dunno. I am often asking myself these questions. I dont have any yes or no answers. I do not even know if they exist at all. I believe and the picture I get from the Bible that God is not a merciless cruel being, Who just want to trample us down like little ants for every minor mistake we make in our life. Why did God say "my yoke is easy and my burden is light"? History and my experiences in the CAI is the best proof that actually those who want to create rules, laws, conditions etc etc are themselves the biggest hypocrites and breakers of the laws, rules and conditions they themselves create. Anyway.... that's where I stand at the moment. I am glad and I thank God every other day that He did not let them (Williams, his boyfriend with their gang) destroy my life. But when I look at what they have done to the others I get shivers down my spine. My dad asked me once (he believes in Jesus): why do you think God allowed all that to happen? That's not an easy question to answer..... Hugs to you, whoever you are - Dima |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：25/01/2008 8:51 AMCopy HTML Hey Dima
- thanks for the post :-) wish you the best... (we all have our own paths), I for one can't accept a God at all at the moment, but I can understand you may still be able to. Great to read your well written postings ! Take care anon1 |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：28/01/2008 1:09 PMCopy HTML
"pleaseant" ?? Your a fucking fairy mate. "nice tolerant" ?? Your a real fucking poof mate. I suppose you are the specky geek from russia - how come you are so well educated about germany - ever lived there ? Or just read a book. Prick - germany is a fucking toilet - the people are so arrogant and still think that they know better |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：28/01/2008 2:05 PMCopy HTML seems that the place where you grew up must be a f***ing toilet - given the language you're using. :)
kind greetings from Germany, C. |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：28/01/2008 2:31 PMCopy HTML I think the French and the Italian cuisines are among the best couisines in the world. Then that Scott always "knows better" is only a perverted thing about him. But he never "knows better", I actually think and Scott is a liar, he lies all the time, I actually think too.
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：28/01/2008 4:11 PMCopy HTML "pleaseant" ?? Your a fucking fairy mate.
"nice tolerant" ?? Your a real fucking poof mate. I suppose you are the specky geek from russia - how come you are so well educated about germany - ever lived there ? Or just read a book. Prick - germany is a fucking toilet - the people are so arrogant and still think that they know better WOW! Is that a release day in the local looney bin? DK |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：28/01/2008 6:08 PMCopy HTML Hi guys! Please stop this! I've/We've had enough of "this country is better than that" and such sort of stuff in the CAI, leaving some people with inferiority complex just because they were not born in an anointed BI country. I also agree with Dima: I have been living in several countries and one of them is Germany. Felt very nice, was a real comfortable and "rich" life. Quite enjoyable indeed. Also met some real nice people there. (by the way - I'm not German. In case you think I "praise" this country for that reason) But know what? You find nice people in any country. So what's the point in "competing" which is the best. As said, I've had enough of this in CAI. Enjoy your life and get rid of CAI thinking! |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：28/01/2008 6:21 PMCopy HTML
Yep, I grew up in a real shit hole of a place - no doubt about it - but Germany is still full of know-it-all nazi arseholes - and so what if my language is a mess - what's that got to do with you ya hun ! |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：29/01/2008 1:53 AMCopy HTML I have it on good authority from some penguins with happy feet that Antarctica is the best place on earth. It also has many seals of approval and one can have a whale of a time. |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：29/01/2008 8:36 PMCopy HTML my dear fu...ing idiot!
It's late and it is time for you to go to bed. Maybe your mother has been hard to you. Maybe the evil sect brainwashed you ... you lost your brain ... how sad! greetings from an arrogant fu...ing German who wants to get rid of your spamming menatlity. Good that the most Germans and any other culture in this world are not like you! Bye forever! |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：30/01/2008 4:06 AMCopy HTML .....sorry but I can not but make a statement: Consider that people will visit this website to find out about CAI - members/potential members/relatives etc etc then read some of the posts - fighting which is the best country / best food / using bad language....etc etc Grow up! The only one you serve is satan = Scott Williams - as you bring down the level of this site to an extend that decent thinking humans will leave this site wondering if this is an Assylum-internal-web-chat! Then again you can just be selfish and go on on such a low level - but remember: " A person is only as big as his/her principles!" Jock |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：30/01/2008 1:22 PMCopy HTML So the predator and the beast Scott Williams is now again the self-appointed Fuhrer of the Fascist-group CAI. What a farse everything with CAI are! See you in hell, Scott!
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：31/01/2008 8:52 PMCopy HTML CAI is only nasty and evil shit!
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：01/02/2008 9:12 AMCopy HTML the bozo strikes again...
what's a "farse" by the way? Anyway - I will ask the moderator of this forum to allow only registered members from now on. Guess that could help. |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：02/02/2008 12:22 AMCopy HTML Let me assist Bozo's farse.......
I thought the famous clown "Bozo" was dead. Peradventure I can stand in his stead as his lexicographer..... A "farse" is what most church leaders develop, when they realise that people are gullible enough to run around like worker ants, feeding the leadership, helping to dress them in the finest clothes, eat the best food, have the nicest of lifestyles and live in the finest places, while they themselves are impoverished. "Farse" is a word that was formed by the union of "fat" and "arse". When the "New Religion Dictionary" is finished it with be cross-referenced with the word "Scottpersona". I might later define the definitions of "pentecostly" "eldershipwreck" "Pitversie Hearse" "Ree-arrange" "Cough-up Harbour"....etc. etc. John |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：02/02/2008 1:13 AMCopy HTML English has adopted some wonderful German words like:
zeitgeist the spirit or mood of a particular point in history putsch the violent overthrow of government shyster a crooked lawyer - from Scheißter a very fitting word when describing a lawyer There is also an English word "quisling", meaning triaitor-collaborataor created from the surname of the WW2 leader of Norway. What about creating one of those superb German composite nouns for Scott-like religious leaders? May I propose: Kinderbelästigerdiebhasspredigerverleumdernarzissttyrann. Grammatical and spelling corrections requested please.......adjectival composite nouns are a nightmare to construct for "ein alter Ausländer". John |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：02/02/2008 11:55 AMCopy HTML hehe - good on ya John.
so far I was rather into abbreviations: for instance C.A.I. can stand for Crap Artists International or, more specificially: Children Abusers International. have a nice Sunday, Carsten (Ex-Tyrannengläubigervollidiot) |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：02/02/2008 2:36 PMCopy HTML yeah, not bad, John ... think he could be called:
Luegenverbreitendergurutypverfuehrerenderhalsabscheidenderpedofilerrirresarschlochwichser can you still follow? Translation: lies-circulator-Guru-chap-abuser-cutthroat-pedofil-crackpot-arsehole-tosser |
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Re：The truth about Scott Williams "promotion"!! Date Posted：11/02/2008 6:40 AMCopy HTML Lots has been written above an much is very informative. Thanks, George, Dima, John and others!
Many of us were put under much pressure to become like the people in the countries we had been sent to as missionaries, however, when we did succeed we were called gutter rats as well, or lazy beach bums - how ironic! My children don't speak my mother tongue because I was taught to loathe my origins with fervour though my descent is hardly my fault, now is it? We were often told how grateful we should be to be living in Australia because everything is nice and easy. Truth be told - I love this country, never want to leave it again. But never in my adult life have I suffered such financial hardship as our family has since we got here. Basic living is expensive - especially when you try to follow all the instructions about what to buy/eat and what not - work hard to come by at times. Though we never squandered our money, we have been scraping at the bottom of the barrel for years -- much owing to bad decisions we made based on the fact that we weren't using our mental abilities the way God intended. Never mind, He is gracious and will help us through this as well! I followed some of the earlier discussions with great interest -- being female, of course, the food issue was rather intriguing. Sad to say but repeatedly I used to ring my friends in a state of panic when some of the men would come over on short notice and I happened to have forgotten to stock up on fizzy mineral water, apple juice, diet coke ... whatever was in favour at the time. What sacriledge not to have the things at home! I still remember a very lovely brother in Scotland dancing for joy about a shop selling his favourite condiment so he could finally have it on his table. I've made a batch of scones the other day and broke out in cold sweat at the memory of the public humiliation we used to receive if they weren't perfect -- quite obviously, a woman's salvation depends on the ability to cook a perfect scone. Okay, sorry, I'm being sarcastic. Dima, the scenario with the German sausage in Scottish fridges sounds painfully familiar. There were good things we were taught as well. This is what I'm planning to keep. But I'm hoping to be able to rid myself of all the bad stuff as time goes on and old wounds heal. Just my 2 cents here. |
