Hi Bindi

I am grateful to you and others that come on here and tell your experiences. 

We learn from these experiences and become a stronger and better person because of it.  It is just unfortunate that we do go through these bad times.  Just as you ,I am separated from my husband, and yes he is a lazy couch potato, hopeless with managing money, expects everybody to do things he should be doing, plus other things I won't mention yet and yes he is a member of the GRC.

I lived in this situation with him for almost 14 years and I also went through depression (what a horrible dark place to be in) I was referring to the depression but I guess I could say that about the GRC as well.

I now have my life and my freedom and I am blessed because I can still follow the Lord with others that have left the GRC in that simplicity and pureness of salvation that the Lord has given me/us.

regards

Hi anonymous!

Thanks for your reply to my 'story'. It is so comforting to know that there are other women out there who have experienced similar situations and know what it feels like! THANKYOU! I SINCERELY hope and pray your life and mind get stronger and stronger. I have no idea how long you have been 'out of fellowship' from the GRC but I assure you... there are many wonderful caring people out there in the big,wide world of 'unsaved' people, and 'saved' people for that matter,  whom are only TOO willing to guide you and help you in any way. Keep the Faith and be strong!

KIndest regards...

What amazes me is that you put up with the marriage for so long. You need to put your foot down and get them to sort their job situation out. Pray about it and ask God to fix the situation.

As for the help. Did you speak to people in your church about it and tell them? Maybe they didn't know what was going on and thought that you had been removed from meetings coz you did a bad thing??

Everyone has problems and people look for excuses and scape goats. You need to get over them and deal with them there and then!!

By the way, you are committing adultery if you left your husband UNLESS he adulterated himself first.

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What amazes me is that you put up with the marriage for so long. You need to put your foot down and get them to sort their job situation out. C Maybe they didn't know what was going on and thought that you had been removed from meetings coz you did a bad thing??Everyone has problems and people look for excuses and scape goats. You need to get over them and deal with them there and then!!By the way, you are committing adultery if you left your husband UNLESS he adulterated himself first.

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 Silly Billy AKA Anonymous...

I'm not sure if you are replying to MY message. ( The first posting here ) Or the reply message.

If its me ( bindi ) you are refering too, then you obviously did not read my story fully.

"You need to put your foot down and get them to sort their job situation out....."

I spent MANY years talking and having councelling sessions with our pastor to try sort this situation out. ( My marraige ) and nothing changed. I DID put my foot down! SEVERAL times! But, when you are deeply engrossed in these kinds of churches, you don't put your foot down TOO much as you are a 'woman' remember????  Supposed to be subservient to your husband, the weaker vessel...etc...etc.

thought that you had been removed from meetings coz you did a bad thing??

what bad thing did I do except finally leave a hopeless situation??  Bad in the churches eyes maybe, but not bad in my eyes! It was either get out or commit suicide!! You really have no right to stand in judgement of me without knowing the full circumstances. But thats OK, although you are totally ignorant to what sort of life I led, ( time and space does not permit me to tell the full story here ).  I respect your right to say what you like in response to my post. FYI....I was removed ( along with my husband mind you ) from the fellowship because they felt it was a 'bad testimony' on the church.

" You need to get over it and deal with it there and then!!! "

I DID deal with it! I left and moved on to a better, healthier and happier life!

" By the way, you arecommiting adultery if you left your husband.... "

You misunderstand the meaning of 'adultery'. Adultery is committed when you have sex with another man when you are married. NOT when you have 'left him'. ( Look it up in the dictionary if you don't beleive me   I didn't get kicked out because I committed adultery my dear. I got kicked out because I would not turn away a man who was helping me around my house! lol!!! Hey... I have no problems in admitting that I am now with a lovely, caring, devoted man. Yes... eventually, after 18 months of knowing him, ( and after being seperated from my husband for approx.. 2-3 years ) I DID ' commit adultery'!!! Ummm Arrrrr! God forbid I should find love!!! I knew what real love was with this man because he saw me through the toughest times in my life after leaving the church and yet he NEVER demanded anything from me except friendship! NOT many men around these days that would stick around these days after being with a very spiritually and mentally screwed up woman for that long! So, if your 'job' here is to try make me feel guilty, sorry, you failed! Ive had it up to the back teeth with people trying to make me feel guilty! Hahahahaha!!!

Anyways... thankyou for comments. Like I said.. if you were responding to my post, then may  I suggest you read the WHOLE post BEFORE commenting????

Regards... Bindi.

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By the way, you are committing adultery if you left your husband UNLESS he adulterated himself first.

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Oh do fuck off.

Legalistic freakin silly bitchy.

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Oh do fuck off.Legalistic freakin silly bitchy.

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BEST POST ALL YEAR! 

I whole heartedly agree with you.  People who say in legalistic bullshit on the forum should be banned.

Bindi, you go girl!!!  Thanks for sharing your story!

Hi Bindi, enjoyed your story.

WRONG!!!!! Within the first 6 months he lost his job and became a 'couch potato' and got us further and further into debt. I had always wanted to be an 'old fashioned' wife and mother and look after my husband and children

Men! Give 'em an inch and they'll take a lightyear. It'd be great to be old fashioned and live in a world that allowed many of us to live off one income. My income seems to pay for the petrol and milk... It'd also be great if we could be even older fashioned and have many wives and concubines! David and Soloman and other bible heroes were allowed! Not fair... then we could really be couch potatoes. Makes you think about when the rules for adultery and etc changed.

despite several 'councelling' sessions with our Pastor and my husband being 'put-out' of fellowship' a couple of times, nothing changed. I was basically told to 'pray about it' and 'overcome' it!

'pray about it'. Man I'd hate to look under the carpet of these pastors... they sweep so much under them that they'd look like the Himalayas. It's the advice stupid people give you when they're too lazy, stupid or inexperienced to know something constructive and helpful. Sort of like Silly Billy's advice - "pray about it and let god fix it". Sounds like a lot of people sittin' on their asses to me...

Oh and speaking of silly Billies...

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 Reply to : silly billy [Anonymous]By the way, you are committing adultery if you left your husband UNLESS he adulterated himself first.Oh do fuck off.Legalistic freakin silly bitchy.

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The notion that a divorced woman would have to wait until her ol' man inserts his penis into another woman's vagina before she is free to pursue another suitor is completely ridiculous and not what Jesus said. (should start a new thread) Let me illustrate my point by quoting the J-man himself: He said "If a man even looks at a woman to lust after her, he has committed adultery". The penis has been taken out of the equation here.. That's if you're one to believe anything Jesus said. I'm sure you try SB.

Wise guy Jesus was smart enough and spiritual enough to know that it isn't the slapping together of body parts that annulls a relationship... it's all about the heart attitude baby. It's all about the heart, and It doesn't sound to me like Bindi's ex had his heart there at all. That's up for a wife to decide and it's certainly not up to you or any pastor to judge. You Christians should be more like Jesus! Now he was a christian who knew where his towel was at.

Sheeesh, rubbing uglies allows a rightous annullment and remarriage... pfft. Of course, even if you can't find the loopholes for remarrying before an ex does the hippidy dippity with someone else, you can always ask for forgiveness for your 'mistake' and move on..

moth

Hi there Moth! Thanks for your post here! Had a really good giggle!

It'd be great to be old fashioned and live in a world that allowed many of us to live off one income.

Ohh.. to be able to do that! lol! ( Damn... I just KNEW I should of married a millionaire! ) I didn't and I still haven't got one, but Im as sure as hell ( pardon the pun ) happy with the man I got! Holes in his britches and all! lol Riches has no holding over pure happiness and love. Im still working hard! But not resenting it one bit because Ive got a man who works just as hard. And he is housetrained too! Does cooking and cleaning etc!

It'd also be great if we could be even older fashioned and have many wives and concubines! David and Soloman and other bible heroes were allowed! Not fair...

NO! Its not fair! I wholeheartedly agree! Having a 1000 women around this house would be GREAT help to me as well! Damn this place would be spotless! I could talk my fiancee into delegating certain chores that I hate doing onto someone else! LOL!

Thanks again! Darn.. I have to go to work now!

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What amazes me is that you put up with the marriage for so long. You need to put your foot down and get them to sort their job situation out. Pray about it and ask God to fix the situation.As for the help. Did you speak to people in your church about it and tell them? Maybe they didn't know what was going on and thought that you had been removed from meetings coz you did a bad thing??Everyone has problems and people look for excuses and scape goats. You need to get over them and deal with them there and then!!By the way, you are committing adultery if you left your husband UNLESS he adulterated himself first.

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I also am confused whether your reply is towards bindi's story or my anonymous reply to her, as far as I am concerned Bindi gave her story in all honesty and posted it as an encouragement to others who may be in a similar situation and her outcome being that she is no longer in that situation and HAS MOVED ON.

As for your comment about committing adultery,  I haven't, I have left a very bad relationship and anyway it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS and it is not your place to judge.

If you had experienced what we have,  your thoughts and comments would not be so shallow and callous.

Question:  Are you a male troll from the GRC?

Reply to : anonymous

You go girl! Thankyou for your support here! I wouldn't be suprised if he/she is a troll!

Doesn't it just annoy the heck out of you when people pass ignorant judgements??? Poor them. They obviously have not gained wisdom with age and experience in life. Don't misunderstand this next sentence... Im not trying to preach here but I thought it might be of help to those who stand in judgement of women like us!!!..... I have a scripture to quote  that I held on to and it helped get me through when I felt so condemned for not 'putting up' with my life with my situation. Its the scripture I thought might find me a 'way out'.

" If a man provides not for those in his own household, he is WORSE than an INFIDEL. " I can't remember where in the bible it is but the meaning for 'infidel' according to the dictionary is   "One who does not beleive. One who has no religion."

I rest my case!!!!

You know what this same sort of thing happened to my mother.

what I basically think, and no offence to anyone on here, is that if a person wasn't born into the church or if they were not brought into it forcefully by parents at a young age then THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM.... in the head, in the body, somewhere.

I mean RCI is not a place a happy go lucky person would chose to go to HAPPILY & JOYFULLY worship God. (the chorus session is boring and the words to the songs are totally contradictory to what they preach "my hidden sins, my sins blah blah, can all forgiven be" (whatever!) - the talks are depressing and make you wish you were never born, made you hate yourself and feel suicidal)

They go there when the have a NEED - A PROBLEM.

They have a healing NEED, a NEED to be loved (because no one else will), a NEED for friends (cause they can't make their own) a NEED for family (coz theirs is fcuked up), a NEED to get away from their "circle of friends" who are on drugs (because they had no brain to chose the "right type" or they were too weak themselves not to start taking drugs) a NEED to find a women (coz in a "Worldly" situation where WOMEN ARE SMART and NOT THE WEAKER SEX and there are so many choices rather than just the 100 single men who meet in a green hall in Box Hill every Sunday NO ONE IS STUPID ENOUGH OR DESPERATE ENOUGH TO DATE THEM AND THEY KNOW IT)

My mum is still with this lazy, nasty man because it has been drilled into her head that she will go to hell if she divorces him - bullshit in bullshit out right?

doesn't she realise she is already living in hell?

Well I hope RCI/RF are happy.

interesting post!

I was in a similar position with my husband bindi. Slack arse, stood down from the oversight coz he was a lazy slutty prick.

I told him to shape up or ship out. He didn't shape up and ended up baning the neighbour. I immediately divorced him.

I should mention that i was praying that the situation get sorted, i demanded god sort it out.

Now the pig has a couple kids and has moved on again. He can burn in hell..

As long as you did the best you could and gave the problem over to God, then that's all anyone can ask of you. Its a shame about not having help.

But as that other cum-guzzler said "get over it", I do tend to agree..

Move on.. put it behind you.

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Reply to : bindiYou know what this same sort of thing happened to my mother.what I basically think, and no offence to anyone on here, is that if a person wasn't born into the church or if they were not brought into it forcefully by parents at a young age then THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM.... in the head, in the body, somewhere.I mean RCI is not a place a happy go lucky person would chose to go to HAPPILY & JOYFULLY worship God. (the chorus session is boring and the words to the songs are totally contradictory to what they preach "my hidden sins, my sins blah blah, can all forgiven be" (whatever!) - the talks are depressing and make you wish you were never born, made you hate yourself and feel suicidal)They go there whe

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I feel so much for your mother!  I so wish I could talk to her! Your right... being in that organization has made very a many person sick with condemantion, self-hatred etc. Not a healthy enviroment at all as far as the 'natural' side goes. Everyone walks around with smiles on their faces and talks about how wonderful life is and yet, if you could be a fly on the wall in their houses, you know damn well life aint so grand!!! I was one of those pathetic hypocrites!!!! BIG smiles! lots of laughs! Go home and would be a screaming heap on the floor! If I could be so bold as to quote a few lines of a poem I wrote in the midst of my desperation.. ( I wrote heaps of poetry as a way of venting my feelings seeing as though no one else seemed to listen! ) " Living a life that on the surface to others seems to be one of peace and contentment. The facade of a smile and humour has all around deceived. Inside, in the very eyes, if you look you will see that the soul is of one who is tormented...." ( written in 1998 ) THATS how it is for most folk in these churches!!!!! God! After reading some of the posts in this website, I feel like changing my career path and studying psychology/councelling... particularly helping to rehabilitate ppl involved in cults! ( Maybe I could be of some benefit to my own damn self! ) lol

As for ppl only joining an organization such as these because they needed something in their life, I must beg to differ. Some most certainly do. And good luck to them! But others dont. I certainly didnt. I was happy with my life. I only came because there was a challenge being offered to me. Proof! I took it up and God won! Hense the reason I stayed for so many years! I dont disbelieve or dispute what happened to me. I never will. I still believe to this day what the scriptures say... MY problem is with the organizations and the way they feel they have a right to dictate what you can and cant do with your life! You should be able to go to meetings, enjoy that, then go home to your OWN life without the fear of ppl in these churches reporting your every move OUTSIDE of the meetings! Its so sad to live in fear of your brethrens judgements! NOT someting God likes Im sure!

I hope your mother eventually 'see's the light'!!! and gets what she so rightly deserves! LOVE!

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interesting post!I was in a similar position with my husband bindi. Slack arse, stood down from the oversight coz he was a lazy slutty prick.I told him to shape up or ship out. He didn't shape up and ended up baning the neighbour. I immediately divorced him.I should mention that i was praying that the situation get sorted, i demanded god sort it out.Now the pig has a couple kids and has moved on again. He can burn in hell..As long as you did the best you could and gave the problem over to God, then that's all anyone can ask of you. Its a shame about not having help.But as that other cum-guzzler said "get over it", I do tend to agree..Move on.. put it behind you.

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Interesting words you use there anon! Sounds like your still bitter with your ex? Im not! I actually get on better with him now Im not with him! lol No animosity towards him at all because Im not emotionally involved anymore. Anyways... Im nopt good at holding grudges! Maybe you should heed to your own advice dare I say??? Move on! Get over it! Please.... Im getting a little tired of repeating myself on these posts...I DID get over it! ( As far as my husband was concerned! ) I DID move on! ( We broke up years ago! ) MY 'overcoming' here has to do with the rejection I have felt from the church I belonged too! NOT my ex!!! THATS what this website is for! Talking about your experiences with these organizations!

Sheeeeesh!

NEED for challenge perhaps?

;-)

nah, I am just kidding...

 

I just wish there was a way to warn women about these type of men.

could you say "if they wanted to be a pastor they were obviously power hungry ego trippers"?  

when you don't know if they are just hard working men who always want to be on top of things... you would think a great career, good head for the family....

how do you tell the difference?

should you always marry your equal?

should a women marry below?  make the man work hard to keep her?

but then the man my mother married, he was just a lazy fcuk to start with. 

 

sorry, my mum's lost 15 years and counting in misery is something I don't think I will ever get over.

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Reply to : bindiNEED for challenge perhaps?;-)nah, I am just kidding...I just wish there was a way to warnwomen about these type of men.could you say "if they wanted to be a pastor they were obviously power hungry ego trippers"?when you don't know if they are just hard working men who always want to be on top of things... you would think a great career, good head for the family....how do you tell the difference?should you always marry your equal?should a women marry below? make the man work hard to keep her?but then the man my mother married, he was just a lazy fcuk to start with.sorry, my mum's lost 15 years and counting in misery is something I don't think I will ever get over.

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Reply to : flavaxceylonReply to : bindiNEED for challenge perhaps?;-)nah, I am just kidding...I just wish there was a way to warnwomen about these type of men.could you say "if they wanted to be a pastor they were obviously power hungry ego trippers"?when you don't know if they are just hard working men who always want to be on top of things... you would think a great career, good head for the family....how do you tell the difference?should you always marry your equal?should a women marry below? make the man work hard to keep her?but then the man my mother married, he was just a lazy fcuk to start with.sorry, my mum's lost 15 years and counting in misery is something I don't think I will ever get over.Hi Flavaxceylon! Couldnt agree more with you. If only there was a way.. D

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ok i'll give it a try, she's a bit of a hard nut to crack with all this RCI/RF stuff ... but aren't they all?

I did copy the post and email it to her though

By the way I am so happy for you that you managed to escape and find out what REAL love is.

Congratulations!

Enjoy it and have fun :-)

bindi

i have a question to ask. was your sex life good with your husband? Were you guys doing it tough?

i'm not being perverted, i am very serious. the 2 biggest causes of marriage breakups are SEX and MONEY..

To BINDI

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bindi

 I have a question to ask. was your sex life good with your husband? Were you guys doing it tough?

I'm not being perverted, I am very serious.

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Don't even answer that one, Bindi.  It's none of anon's friggin business.  Anon sounds like one of the typical

depraved arseholes in oversight who got their cheap thrills from discussing  in such a self righteous sordid manner. 

 the  details of any members sex life.  I  have seen many a male member of the RCI pretend to be sweetness goodness and light 

 before they got married and then change into a total dead head several months later on.  Matters are generally made a million times

worse when the couple goes to oversight for help and tries to follow their appalling advice. 

 Anon I suggest you get your facts right on marriage break up statistics  and read the following book

His needs, Her needs  by Willard Harley , Jr

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bindii have a question to ask. was your sex life good with your husband? Were you guys doing it tough?i'm not being perverted, i am very serious. the 2 biggest causes of marriage breakups are SEX and MONEY..

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It could only be an oversight or pastor that would ask that kind of damn question!!!!! Freakin' hell! Forget about the damn sex life matey! There is alot more to a marraige than just sex!!! If all is well in other areas of a persons relationship, then generally the sex is great! BUT... for most women, they need to feel respect and love for their partner in order to make love to them. You think that all is OK in a marriage if the sex life is great??? . I spent my days working fulltime, coming home and doing the household chores as well as maintenance on the home, and looking after the kids. Tell me... if you were in MY shoes.. would you find your partner sexually appealing? BTW.... Im damn well makin up for lost time now! LOL!

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i'm not being perverted, i am very serious. the 2 biggest causes of marriage breakups are SEX and MONEY..PastorK#@$N?????? Is that you???? It could only be an oversight or pastor that would ask that kind of damn question!!!!! Freakin' hell! Forget about the damn sex life matey! There is alot more to a marraige than just sex!!!

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Oh for crying out loud, this is fascinating. Is this Dr. Phil or Dr. Dill? Gee BindiGal, why didn't you think of that eh? It's all about sex and money. Perhaps you could have turned to prostitution and got paid and laid at the same time. Kill two birds with the one stone?

How old are you 'anon-hello'? I'm really curious to know - pretty simplistic naive stuff goin down with that post. Where are you getting your marriage counselling skills from? McDonald's placemats? Yeah sex is great and money is good, but it's when respect is lost that marriages fall apart, and respect has to be earned. Signing a form and commiting to a marriage doesn't give room for anyone to use and abuse their partner. That's simply not in the contract.

Respect your man... cherish your wife. For a marriage to work it has to have more than one person involved.

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Reply to : bindii'm not being perverted, i am very serious. the 2 biggest causes of marriage breakups are SEX and MONEY..PastorK#@$N?????? Is that you???? It could only be an oversight or pastor that would ask that kind of damn question!!!!! Freakin' hell! Forget about the damn sex life matey! There is alot more to a marraige than just sex!!!Oh for crying out loud, this is fascinating. Is this Dr. Phil or Dr. Dill? Gee BindiGal, why didn't you think of that eh? It's all about sex and money. Perhaps you could have turned to prostitution and got paid and laid at the same time. Kill two birds with the one stone?How old are you 'anon-hello'? I'm really curious to know - pretty simplistic naive stuff goin down with that post. Where are you getting your marriage coun

Reply to : bindii'm not being perverted, i am very serious. the 2 biggest causes of marriage breakups are SEX and MONEY..

Hmm... yes.. I DO recall replying to this original post sent by ANON and declaring my sex life was NOT good in the end. I also stated that he got our family into much debt.

Gee BindiGal, why didn't you think of that eh? It's all about sex and money. Perhaps you could have turned to prostitution and got paid and laid at the same time.

Moth... where WERE you when I could have done so badly with your wisdom and advice??? hahahahahaha!!! I could of got us outta debt AND at least had SOME kind of decent intimacy in my life!  Great advice... but too little, too late now!

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Hello to all!I came to the, what was originally, Revival Centres, back in 1989.( Later became Revival Fellowship )I was not a 'desperado' but had always been 'God conscious'. A friend had come to witness to the guy I was sharing with. ( not a romantic liason! ) And I immediately made a dash to the kitchen as I did not want to be 'bible-bashed'. However, I overheard her telling him how he could have an actual 'tangiable' experience with God which immediately had me intrigued. I went in and asked questions myself to which she opened the Bible and showed me the salvation message. I went to a meeting, not wanting to be 'brainwashed' nor 'hypnotized' but wanting to know if what she was showing me was real. I got baptized and was filled with the Spirit. What a literal 'mind-blowing' exp

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EVERY BODY IN THIS FORUM SHOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS IN SAYING THE RF IS A CULT, AND THEIR DOCTRINE AND PASTORS TAKE PEOPLE OUT OF FELLOWSHIP INDEFINATELY.

AND SAYING IT IS ALL RF PASTORS WHO SAY PEOPLE CAN'T TALK TO THEIR FAMILIES, ETC ETC AREN'T LOOKING AT ALL THE FACTS.  FAMILIES HAVE BEEN SPLIT BECAUSE RCI PASTORS TELL THEIR CONGREGATIONS THAT IF ANY OF THEM ASSOCIATE WITH RF, THEY WILL BE KICKED OUT.THIS WAS PART OF THE REASONS THE RF PASTORS DISAGREED WITH THE RCI PASTORS!!! BECAUSE YES, IT IS WRONG! YES, THE SCRIPTUES SAY IT'S WRONG.. DON'T YOU GET IT!!??!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT RF IS SAYING!!!

RF AND RCI ARE WORLDS APPART. UNLESS YOU KNOW FIRST HAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE (WHICH I CAN ASSURE YOU, I DO), THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW. YOU HAVE NO REASON TO DRAG DOWN, AND BADMOUTH A CHURCH AND GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVEN'T MET, OR A CHURCH YOU HAVE'T ATTENDED.

RF HAS MOVED FORWARD IN LEAPS AND BOUNDS, AND ACCEPTED THAT RCI WILL NEVER SEE THE ERROR IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING. BUT IT MOST CERTAINLY ISN'T FAIR TO HAVE POSTINGS AND FORUMS SUCH AS THESE SUPPOSEDLY EXPOSING THE TRUTH.

IF YOU LEFT A CHURCH, WELL THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.. DO YOU REALLY THINK IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN GOD IS GOING TO PAT YOU ON THE HEAD AND SAY, WELL DONE - I LOVED YOUR POSTING RUBBISHING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MY OTHER CHILDREN, JUST BECAUSE YOU NEVER REALLY GOT IT AND LIED TO YOURSELF EVERY SUNDAY WHEN YOU DRAGGED YOUR PATHETIC SELF INTO THE SERVICE?

I HIGHLY DOUBT IT.

GOD IS THE GIVER AND TAKER OF LIFE.

NOTICE THAT THE PEOPLE IN RF ARE ACTUALLY HAPPY.. AND YOU HAVE NO GREATER PURPOSE THAN TO SIT HERE AND COMMENT AND DRAG EACH OTHER INTO A DEEPER SORRY STATE.. HOW PATHETIC.  IF YOU REALLY DON'T LIKE CHURCH OR RCI OR RF THAT MUCH, RUBBISHING IT IS NOT THE CORRECT WAY OF DEALING WITH IT!

GO TO ANOTHER CHURCH THAT YOU FEEL HAS WHAT YOU WANT. GO TO COUNCILLING. GO ON A HOLIDAY. DO SOMETHING, RATHER THAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT, AND CONTINUE TO BE SELF DESTRUCTIVE AND FEEDING THE SELF DESTRUCTION OF OTHERS.

GOD IS ALWAYS WATCHING YOU, HE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE READING, WRITING THINKING AND SAYING TO OTHERS.

TELLING OTHERS A CHURCH IS A CULT AND BADMOUTHING IT.. THEN SHARING THIS WITH MANY MANY OTHERS WILL END YOU IN SOME PRETTY FIERY PLACES IF YOU'RE WRONG.

NO CHURCH IS PERFECT, EACH HAS IT'S LIARS, CHEATERS, ETC ETC. BUT SERIOUSLY, GET A GRIP ON REALITY. READ REVELATIONS, UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR TIME IS SHORT, AND YOU'RE WASTING IT BEING HERE RIGHT NOW. YOU SHOULD BE ON YOUR KNEES, BEGGING GOD TO SORT YOU OUT, AND TAKE YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.

NATIONS WILL RISE AGAINST NATIONS. WELL. I'D SAY THAT THE MIDDLE EAST WANTING TO RULE THE WORLD WOULD BE SUMMED UP THERE..

THE EAST WILL RISE AGAINST THE WEST. HMM, I WONDER WHAT THE EAST IS UP TO .. OH YES THAT'S RIGHT, LOOKING INTO ANYTHING THEY CAN FOR CHEMICAL WARFARE.. (LOOKING BACK THROUGH HISTORY, THIS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THE WEST HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE POWER IN THE WORLD)

DON'T FOOL YOURSELF ANY LONGER, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH LONGER NOW. QUIT WASTING YOUR TIME, AND MAKE GOOD USE OF IT.   I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN MAKE IT ANY CLEARER FOR YOU.

Reply: to Jem

Wow Bindi, you do seem to be attracting attention with your story! and Jem, you really should unlock your Caps Lock key... it's quite rude to scream in capitals throughout a post. You may be new to it all, so there you go, a learning experience. I've been looking forward to replying to this post tonight, wanting to put the crazy Revivalist in their place... meh... how stupid am I? I just watched the interview with Terri Irwin and now I'm thinking, "Who the frak cares", just live your life and enjoy it how you wish... but nah... I'm gonna put my two cents in now anyway.

EVERY BODY IN THIS FORUM SHOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS IN SAYING THE RF IS A CULT, AND THEIR DOCTRINE AND PASTORS TAKE PEOPLE OUT OF FELLOWSHIP INDEFINATELY.

Yes, 'cult' is too harsh a word sometimes, but no need for caution as It does fit the criteria. But... that criteria does put every church on a sliding scale - a continuum if you will... and to much of mainstream christianity, your cluster of churches do come across as cults (not that I'm saying the mainstreamers are to be praised). To the normal folk of the planet... uh-huh.. you guys are nuttier than a Cadbury Picnic.

AND SAYING IT IS ALL RF PASTORS WHO SAY PEOPLE CAN'T TALK TO THEIR FAMILIES, ETC ETC AREN'T LOOKING AT ALL THE FACTS.  FAMILIES HAVE BEEN SPLIT BECAUSE RCI PASTORS TELL THEIR CONGREGATIONS THAT IF ANY OF THEM ASSOCIATE WITH RF, THEY WILL BE KICKED OUT.THIS WAS PART OF THE REASONS THE RF PASTORS DISAGREED WITH THE RCI PASTORS!!! BECAUSE YES, IT IS WRONG! YES, THE SCRIPTUES SAY IT'S WRONG.. DON'T YOU GET IT!!??!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT RF IS SAYING!!! RF AND RCI ARE WORLDS APPART. UNLESS YOU KNOW FIRST HAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE (WHICH I CAN ASSURE YOU, I DO), THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW. YOU HAVE NO REASON TO DRAG DOWN, AND BADMOUTH A CHURCH AND GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVEN'T MET, OR A CHURCH YOU HAVE'T ATTENDED.

I don't think anyone is contesting that here? RF is certainly more leniant than their ol' daddy. Kudos has to go to the RFers for seeing the insanity in Lloyd's time of madness. They inherited much of the Revival ways, but I can appreciate your defence of the Khulman clan. Not sure what you're rambling about... sure, many of us were in RCI and RF for long enough to know the subtle differences. They both smell pretty much the same. They both taste like chicken but one happens to be a duck. The room you're posting in doesn't differentiate between the four major tongues-based churches in question. Perhaps that is your beef? Gosh, I must be hungry... I keep talking food.

RF HAS MOVED FORWARD IN LEAPS AND BOUNDS, AND ACCEPTED THAT RCI WILL NEVER SEE THE ERROR IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING. BUT IT MOST CERTAINLY ISN'T FAIR TO HAVE POSTINGS AND FORUMS SUCH AS THESE SUPPOSEDLY EXPOSING THE TRUTH.

The RCI as a whole will never see the error, admit it or change it... very true. But then neither will the RF or the GRC or the CAI or the JW or the LDS of the 7DA... get what I'm saying here?.. they're all on the overly controlling mind sucking freedom stealing cult continuum. How does it feel? Blissfully ignorant I'm sure.

IF YOU LEFT A CHURCH, WELL THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.. DO YOU REALLY THINK IF YOU GET TO HEAVEN GOD IS GOING TO PAT YOU ON THE HEAD AND SAY, WELL DONE - I LOVED YOUR POSTING RUBBISHING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MY OTHER CHILDREN, JUST BECAUSE YOU NEVER REALLY GOT IT AND LIED TO YOURSELF EVERY SUNDAY WHEN YOU DRAGGED YOUR PATHETIC SELF INTO THE SERVICE?

Yes, I just asked him... and he told me he wouldn't use the word 'pathetic'.. cause He's very loving and forgiving. He said well done my good and faithful servant to me... in my head.. where god lives. I'm taking up suicide bombing next (that's a joke FBI if you've found this site on your net crawling word searches)

I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. GOD IS THE GIVER AND TAKER OF LIFE.

That's your opinion though. Do you completely doubt it or just highly? haha, that's facetious of me. He does like to flaunt his give and taking power.. but then so do serial killers. Anyone can take a life... Doesn't make them any more lovable and great in my opinion.

NOTICE THAT THE PEOPLE IN RF ARE ACTUALLY HAPPY.. AND YOU HAVE NO GREATER PURPOSE THAN TO SIT HERE AND COMMENT AND DRAG EACH OTHER INTO A DEEPER SORRY STATE.. HOW PATHETIC.  IF YOU REALLY DON'T LIKE CHURCH OR RCI OR RF THAT MUCH, RUBBISHING IT IS NOT THE CORRECT WAY OF DEALING WITH IT!

Do you have another suggestion?  As I said, I don't think it's the RF that get the brunt of negativity here. Actually happy? How does it feel again? Blissfully ignorant I'm sure, but hey, If you're happy and you know it clap your hands.. clap clap. Good on you... that's good for you - if it feels good, do it I say. I am thinking perhaps this forum isn't one you should be reading. It's for ex-members and those contemplating joining.

GO TO ANOTHER CHURCH THAT YOU FEEL HAS WHAT YOU WANT. GO TO COUNCILLING. GO ON A HOLIDAY. DO SOMETHING, RATHER THAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT, AND CONTINUE TO BE SELF DESTRUCTIVE AND FEEDING THE SELF DESTRUCTION OF OTHERS.

Baby cakes. I can call you baby cakes can't I? This is the counselling... talking about it is very beneficial to some. Freedome of speech and all that.

GOD IS ALWAYS WATCHING YOU, HE KNOWS WHAT YOU'RE READING, WRITING THINKING AND SAYING TO OTHERS. TELLING OTHERS A CHURCH IS A CULT AND BADMOUTHING IT.. THEN SHARING THIS WITH MANY MANY OTHERS WILL END YOU IN SOME PRETTY FIERY PLACES IF YOU'RE WRONG.

He's reading the forum? Now? Cool! *Moth waves at the ceiling* - I wonder if he watches us on the toilet as well? Surely we get some privacy. I can't help it... I just have to find that concept very funny. He's making a list, he's checking it twice, he's gonna find out who's naughty and nice. If I believed in the concept of Hell as you do and believed in the doctrine as you do I might feel some reverence and fear. I don't - so I won't. You have no power over me oh Goblin king of the Labyrinth.

The rest of your post is gold. I'll get back to it later. Thanks for posting... love it.

Reply: to Jem Part 2

I edited part one Jem... go back and read... I'd hate for you to miss anything

NO CHURCH IS PERFECT, EACH HAS IT'S LIARS, CHEATERS, ETC ETC. BUT SERIOUSLY, GET A GRIP ON REALITY.

Reality is a mental construct... deal with that and you're right no church is perfect... but it's the Revivals in particular that 'we' have had experiences with. Should there be no detractors or critics? I say there should.

READ REVELATIONS, UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR TIME IS SHORT, AND YOU'RE WASTING IT BEING HERE RIGHT NOW. YOU SHOULD BE ON YOUR KNEES, BEGGING GOD TO SORT YOU OUT, AND TAKE YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.

Golly! Grab a coffee and read that back to yourself. It's this sort of condescending attitude that reeks like crap throughout the Revivals. The 'we are sooo right compared to everyone else' attitude. "Take our heed while we point the bone at you". Amazing and so so typical of these types of self-centred churches. Guess what? You don't hold the only interpretation of Revelation. The world just possibly may not end like or when you think it will. You didn't even get the title right (that's a subtle dig, but see what I mean? You don't know it as widely as you might). there are many views of Revelation that seem right to those that take hold of them.

NATIONS WILL RISE AGAINST NATIONS. WELL. I'D SAY THAT THE MIDDLE EAST WANTING TO RULE THE WORLD WOULD BE SUMMED UP THERE.. THE EAST WILL RISE AGAINST THE WEST. HMM, I WONDER WHAT THE EAST IS UP TO .. OH YES THAT'S RIGHT, LOOKING INTO ANYTHING THEY CAN FOR CHEMICAL WARFARE.. (LOOKING BACK THROUGH HISTORY, THIS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE THE WEST HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE POWER IN THE WORLD)DON'T FOOL YOURSELF ANY LONGER, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH LONGER NOW. QUIT WASTING YOUR TIME, AND MAKE GOOD USE OF IT.   I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN MAKE IT ANY CLEARER FOR YOU.

uh huh - uh huh... I remember running around with pamphlets full of these nostradamous type ramblings. I just wanted to shake people by the lapels and tell them the End is NIGH... how could I make it anymore clearer to them? I was wasting my life away.. but I intend to make the most of it now. You seem to have a lot of fear about what your God will do to you if you slip up... and you want to instill that fear into others. Frak off and save it for the poor saps you encounter during your street witnessing.

Don't sweat it honey buns, because... remember what the good old book says about worrying and fretting about the unknown future in matthew 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

EVERY BODY IN THIS FORUM SHOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS IN SAYING THE RF IS A CULT,

But they are...

AND THEIR DOCTRINE AND PASTORS TAKE PEOPLE OUT OF FELLOWSHIP INDEFINATELY.

Who said that?  They put people out...but they don't share the RCI lifetime ban.

AND SAYING IT IS ALL RF PASTORS WHO SAY PEOPLE CAN'T TALK TO THEIR FAMILIES, ETC ETC AREN'T LOOKING AT ALL THE FACTS. 

Well lets have a look at some of the facts then shall we?  If you click on the links and are patient then you will hear the audio.

The following sounds are from an infamous Adelaide Revival Fellowship meeting at the Vogue (15/2/98), in which one of their 'pastors', Darryl Williams, says some controversial things.

• People have left us they've left us and formed their own groups - Darryl starts by lambasting the groups (Cornerstone, etc.) who have recently left the Adelaide Revival Centre.
• How dare they leave us! - How could someone dare leave the Revival Fellowship?
• Don't see them anymore (long) - Darryl seems to be very upset over the groups that have left and orders his followers to stop any association with these people.
• Don't associate with them - the usual cult tactic of shielding followers from any detracting voices. This is an element of mind control.
• We don't go to their weddings (long) - a list of "do nots".
• This is a fellowship second to none! and I think we're the best - another indicia of a cult, the superiority complex.
• Undermining God's prescribed way of things - DW moves on to the Web sites and compares us to the Jew's overlord Antiochus Epiphanes, who placed idols in the Temple of Jerusalem.
• The Internet hates us - completing all the indicia of a cult, Darryl plays the persecution 'us / them' card. In response, the idea that we hate the Revival Centres is nonesense.

RF AND RCI ARE WORLDS APPART. UNLESS YOU KNOW FIRST HAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE (WHICH I CAN ASSURE YOU, I DO), THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW. YOU HAVE NO REASON TO DRAG DOWN, AND BADMOUTH A CHURCH AND GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVEN'T MET, OR A CHURCH YOU HAVE'T ATTENDED.

Hello?  What?  We are mostly ALL ex-members!

Anyway, let's have a look at an RF pamphlet called  SEPARATION.  I have put the entire text in so I cannot be accused of taking them out of context.

SEPARATION

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 2 Corinthians 6:17

Separation.  Let us consider a few scriptures and what they mean to us today  

Matthew I 5:14
The Pharisees were blind leaders, who led others into a ditch. Who are the modern Pharisees? They are those who wou1d argue against and kill Jesus Christ and the message He gave to us. It is our understanding surely, the denominational churches, who are political, word1y and compromising, are the modern Pharisees. The order by Jesus Christ Himself to His disciples is simple 'Let them alone' Surely that means that we don't waste time and effort with them, but rather get on with our calling of spreading the powerful gospel.

2 Timothy 3:1-5
This message is to us - in our time - the last days. It describes the terrible social, moral and religious attitudes that have contaminated modern society. Some even have a show of religion. God's directive to us is "from such turn away"

Revelation 18:4.
This message is for those caught up in the evi1 religious system described in chapter 17. It is the Roman Catholic church and her children. This is not a modern, prejudiced view. It has clearly identified since the Reformation. God's command: 'Come out of her people that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not her plagues.' The temptation to some Spirit filled today is to ignore God's command and stay in the Catholic church' or her daughter, Protestant churches under the "charismatic" banner. In the Bulletin magazine dated September 2, 1997, in an article "Hail, Mary", we read "Many Catholics who were once in the charismatic movement have migrated to Mary as the Holy Spirit's more interesting spouse" They disobeyed God's Word and have paid the price.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18
We are not to have fellowship, communion, concord or agreement with the world. Verse 17 - 'come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you.'

Romans 12:2
Don't absorb the world's fashions. We must keep the world out of the church. We must not go out to the world- nor allow the world to come in to us. We must not confuse spiritual liberty with thinly disguised fleshly liberty. God te1ls us to dress modestly (1 Timothy 2;9). The world's dress fashions can be immodest and our children persecuted for not following. We must fol1ow Christ - not follow the world.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 - "withdraw Yourselves from every brother that walketh disorder1y".
One example is of lazy peop1e, who do not work, but are busy-bodies (Verse 11). Some people have jobs, but are busy-bodies and are disorderly. Many churches, including Pentecostals, are disorderly in doctrine and practice, and will influence us away from scripture if we fellowship with them. God's command: "withdraw yourself" some ignore God's command, claiming that this passage only refers to people who are lazy. Ignore God's advice and you will be enticed off into the confused mess called Pentecost.

Romans 16:17-18 .
If the previous passage does not refer to compromising Pentecost, this passage surely does. Individuals and families have been enticed away from good scriptural fe1lowship because they refuse to obey these verses. MARK THEM - identify those who cause divisions and offences. The most obvious are former members who left over personal grievances. Their doctrine and practice are not what we have learned from our bibles. Identify them - don't be sentimental about old fellowships. AVOID THEM - their motives are not pure.

2 John 8-11 (amplified v.8)
take care, look to yourselves that you may not lose (throw away or destroy) all that we and you have laboured for, but that you may (preserve until you) win and receive back a perfect reward in full. (v.1O) if anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine (is disloyal to what Jesus Christ taught, do not receive him - do not accept him. do not welcome or admit him - into your house) or bid him Godspeed or give him any encouragement.

Titus 3:9, 10,11 (Amplified)
"but avoid stupid and foolish controversies and genealogies and dissension's and wranglings about the Law, for they are unprofitable and futile. (As for) a man who is factious -a heretical sectarian and cause of divisions - after admonishing him a first and second time reject him from your fellowship and have nothing to do with him. Well aware that such a person has utterly changed...."

 Let us sum up God's directions "Let them alone" "have nothing to do with" "turn away" "avoid them" "come out" "do not accept him" "touch not" "do not welcome or admit him into your house" "withdraw yourself" "avoid" None of these terms are aggressive. We do not need to be rude, hateful of insulting. We simply let other churches go their way and we go the way we believe God has called us. Some ignore these clear Bible directive, thinking "they can handle it". We can never handle disobedience to God's word.

Reply to : jem

In a matter of 5 minutes I wrote this little poem for you... so, enjoy!

"Here we all gather like wounded soldiers of war.

In walks this JEM to scourge even more!

" Leave us alone!"

The cries can be heard.

"Can't you see we've been broken?"

"Now you add MORE to our hurt?"

We've been manipulated, brainwashed, lied too and used...

cast out, scorned upon, spiritually battered and bruised.

You have no place here it seems.

So return from whence thou came!

You see, we have no hatred for the people there...

Its the institutions that we blame!

 14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

 20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

All us ex-members have the signs following. We all have the ability to speak in tongues... and we cast out as many devils as current members do. So far I have not been harmed by any deadly drink and I picked up a snake in a zoo once.

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Yes, and people without backbone, to to what the Lord wants you to do...you live in Verse 14-19 of Mark 4. You should be in verse 20. But now, others has to pay the price for your weakness...you are in unity with the devil, but not with the Lord.

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Yes, and people without backbone, to to what the Lord wants you to do...you live in Verse 14-19 of Mark 4. You should be in verse 20. But now, others has to pay the price for your weakness...you are in unity with the devil, but not with the Lord.

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Yes, and people without backbone," to to" what the Lord wants you to do...

What??? God wants us to wear tu-tu's now?????? Are we supposed to prounce around doing ballet to please God??? Or are you refering to Dorothys dog toto?? Does the dog have the answers??? I live in the land of Oz... Where the hell is the wizard when I need him? Ive got two dogs but their neither af them are named toto... " Toto... Ive got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore..." Damn!  "There's no place like home! there's no place like home!" Hahahahahaha!! I love it! As for the backbone coment... I thought it was due to my trade that my back was bad! I never knew! Thanks for setting me straight! ( Pun intended! )

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Yes, and people without backbone, to to what the Lord wants you to do...you live in Verse 14-19 of Mark 4. You should be in verse 20. But now, others has to pay the price for your weakness...you are in unity with the devil, but not with the Lord.

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Well yes, my dear. I try! the Dog.

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Man, your head has SERIOUSLY been messed with!!!!the Dog.

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