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See "the age" - 'preacher who preyed on his flock' article.
The whole thing is very sad really, i sort of feel for Glen too, i mean
read Simon L comments " he will be kicked out if found guilty" where is
the love of God in that, i mean yea sure he needs to be dealt with, but
for "the Church" to punish him further is horrendous, this is up to the
laws of the land, the church should be there to council him and his
family ( not to say what they should be doing for those burnt by this
whole horrible thing) but no push them away let it not tarnish there
precious reputation, what a joke and a sad indictment on the christian
church as a whole.
To those that have been burnt by this whole
thing I am so sorry that you have gone through this and i pray that you have
restitution.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsn1LaduWoI (copy & paste into URL)
How much of this interview sounds familiar?
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Unlike You Would Never Guess ("YWNG") the Mole was more than happy for one lousy carol to replace the usual 35 minutes of choruses and testimonies. There was about an hour of carols after to communion service.
The Mole considered the quantity of sandwicdhes and cakes on offer to be similar in quantity to the food provided in the parable of the loaves and fishes. Perhaps YWNG was caught up in a management meeting and only got out after the plebs had had their fill.
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To you'd-never-guess
How utterly tiresome the constant misinformation (Lies) are on this site. Have
the courage to speak the Truth and stop peddling the endless
distortions to suit your anti RCI agenda. I am sure most readers would
much prefer to be correctly informed.
There was a Christmas
Meeting - a la Two not one communal Carols, a brief message, and
strange as it may seem it relates to an event over 2000 years old so,
you want a new slant ?? Now that would be controversial ! Then Communion including the Spiritual Gifts as in a normal meeting. Followed by a smaller ( 1 hour) Carols Concert, maybe not everyone's "thing" but well rehearsed and performed with dedication. Then,
afternoon tea - as in sandwiches by the multitude and an abundance of
cakes, pavlovas etc. Enough that were plenty of left overs. These
are the facts, do with them what you will, but stop being a purveyor of
dire, "look how they are sinking" messages. Be honest - it's a fine virtue.
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Reply to Guest (26/12/2008 02:25:04)
To you'd-never-guess
How utterly tiresome the constant misinformation (Lies) are on this site. Have the courage to speak the Truth and stop peddling the endless distortions to suit your anti RCI agenda. I am sure most readers would much prefer to be correctly informed.
There was a Christmas Meeting - a la Two not one communal Carols, a brief message, and strange as it may seem it relates to an event over 2000 years old so, you want a new slant ?? Now that would be controversial ! Then Communion including the Spiritual Gifts as in a normal meeting. Followed by a smaller ( 1 hour) Carols Concert, maybe not every one's "thing" but well rehearsed and performed with dedication. Then, afternoon tea - as in sandwiches by the multitude and an abundance of cakes, pavlovas etc. Enough that were plenty of left overs. These are the facts, do with them what you will, but stop being a purveyor of dire, "look how they are sinking" messages. Be honest - it's a fine virtue. Its a pity you were not concerned "like the rest of us are", about the main issue at hand". I apologize for missing the extra carol, and must have arrived late as DTM mentioned to the feast. And yes your sister did a fine job singing the carols :) YNG
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The following is taken from Sitrep. One can only conclude that either these rules are for the flock only and don't apply to pastors or they are no longer valid. Pastors are above the law after all. BUSINESS IN THE CHURCH An alarming increase of business within assemblies by Church members is apparent. Only a small number of those who co-opt others do well. This can cause a conflict of attitude and interests between members. Optimistic and unattainable claims have broken down relationships in certain cases. Some are already a force within the Church and many have changed their priorities due to business. The church is led by shepherds and should not be challenged by its members. Many organisations use Scriptures to push their business into the Churches. In Matthew 21:12 we read: "And Jesus went into the temple of God and cast out all that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers...And said unto them, It is written my house should be called the house of prayer, but ye have made it a den of thieves." Those engaged in this type of business should be taken aside and individually acquainted with the policy. They should agree to disassociate themselves from this practise as soon as possible. WORKING FOR WAGES We are not allowing Assembly members to work for each other except for normal type positions that pay a wage. The practice of employing members on "money upfront" commission only and "pyramid type" schemes can engender troubles, cliques and distorted loyalties . Many have been disillusioned, disappointed and have departed. BUSINESS VENTURES No member should enter into any business arrangement in the church without first seeing the oversight! This is a simple practice and will guard against the increasing number of venture offered. The assembly should not be treated as a captive market place. Any Pastors who are unsure of any particular aspect of this policy should ring.
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Fled,
The 'SITREP' has been defunct for years.
Blessings,
Ian
email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Hi, Eric.
Basically one has to subscribe to the ABS in order to access their data (it does cost, however, most universities already subscribe so if your college has an inter-library understanding with UQ or Griffith Uni, you should be able to get access, gratis).
It's been my habit to check the 'stats' after every census. To say that the RCI and the RF are in serious decline would be a considerable understatement!
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Ian
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In the Supreme Court SL when being questioned on the rules and regulations placed on the members of the congregation, SL said that there were no rules enforced but people are guided by their own hearts. So if that was the truth, are people now putting themselves out of fellowship? because people are still being put out. How long are people going to turn a blind eye to the distortion of the truth that comes from these mens lips. Better to stand alone with Christ than to stand with falsehoods such as these.
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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The sitrep information on Business quoted in a previous post was later on included in the guidelines that were formatted under various headings by a fanatical area leader. These guidelines were then read out at house meetings so that all members were aware of them. They were liberally quoted and enforced throughout the 90's. This area leader was Glenn's mentor and those guidelines were frequently cited by both of them when they were giving some poor member a dressing down for some pathetic infringement or for putting them out of fellowship.
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Even Lloyd is in damage control, trying to distance his son's name SIMON LONGFIELD from the Dukers affairs. He does not want his son's name, the Head Pastor of of RCI Simon Longfield even used, he is very much attempting to control conversation. Good luck with that!
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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There is a whole realm of the Dukers Dealings that is about to be revealed,
makes the accusations and findings made so far pale into insignificance by comparison.
This is the beginning of the end to this whole affair.
cultivation leads to cultevasion -
don"t reap what they sow!
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Brisbane Sun will be running an article on the latest victims to fall prey to a further property Scam by Glenn Duker a former Pastor of Revival Centres International Gold Coast, Lorilea Duker and Matthew Duker who is currently a Pastor of Revival Centres International Melbourne.
Sunday 25th January 2009.
Out of area can order through local News Agency.
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Just be aware though that there is another paper called the "Brisbane Sun" and it had this cut and paste on its website so I hope you are referring to Sunday Mail..
The
final 2008 edition of the Brisbane Sun was published in December
2008.
Our
office is now closed for the summer break. The office re-opens at 9am,
Wednesday, January 28, 2009.
The
first 2009 edition of the Brisbane Sun will be published on
Wednesday, February 11, 2009.
The
first 2009 edition of Travel Monthly will be published on
Wednesday, February 11, 2009.
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Reply to Disciple (22/01/2009 15:05:36) Just be aware though that there is another paper called the "Brisbane Sun" and it had this cut and paste on its website so I hope you are referring to Sunday Mail..
The final 2008 edition of the Brisbane Sun was published in December 2008.
Our office is now closed for the summer break. The office re-opens at 9am, Wednesday, January 28, 2009.
The first 2009 edition of the Brisbane Sun will be published on Wednesday, February 11, 2009.
The first 2009 edition of Travel Monthly will be published on Wednesday, February 11, 2009. Heres the web link for it, if this is the one your on about, http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/sundayLook forward to seeing it. From what I know most folk need cold hard evidence, and most are just still waiting so I also look forward to seeing the transcrips once OOE gets them. Im_out
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Here comes another one.... Another person who is owed about $600K. also has Melb. mob and Bikie connections. AVO's have been taken out by the Dukers and they are 'trying' to hide, after some unauthorized demolition work was carried out on a fence and security system removed at the property Lorilea is staying at in Sandrington. Brighton is a decoy address and Glenns where about's is known but undisclosed.
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Reply to outaegypt (24/01/2009 07:29:46)
Here comes another one....
Another person who is owed about $600K. also has Melb. mob and Bikie connections.
AVO's have been taken out by the Dukers and they are 'trying' to hide, after some unauthorized demolition work was carried out on a fence and security system removed at the property Lorilea is staying at in Sandrington.
Brighton is a decoy address and Glenns where about's ;;is known but undisclosed.
Having just watched all of Underbelly, I would think at this point in time the Supreme court would be the least of Glenn and Mathews problems, Id be doing the Tony Mokbel, or Skase disappearing over seas trip at this time. (Any one care to help, spare yacht, and holiday house in Malta etc ). I did a quick search on Google and nothing new came up, though there are other articles written about what we know already. If I was going to Boxhill Rci or Frankstone, Id be worried, who knows who will turn up looking for them. No matter how tough you think you are, or how bent your past, Im glad Im out of there.
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Pastor Matthew Duker will be available for comment at the Sunshine Coast Assembly today. Where he is enjoying a Holiday at other peoples expense.
Will Pastor Simon Longfeild continue to lie in Court and give his support to these fine Christian People, or will he retract his fabrications and start putting the blame where it has always been- with the Dukers.
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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THE SUN HERALD TOP OF PAGE is WRITTEN POWERED BY BRISBANE TIMES. Sunday 25,2009. Front page has 3 Little Nippers waving flags -Your guide to Australia day. Major Heading front page SURROGATE MUM TOLD TO PAY. Page 9. PREACHER'S PREY COUNT LOST MILLIONS.
Have you got your glasses on Eric?
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Reply to CAGD (24/01/2009 21:26:44) THE SUN HERALD TOP OF PAGE is WRITTEN POWERED BY BRISBANE TIMES. Sunday 25,2009. Front page has 3 Little Nippers waving flags -Your guide to Australia day. Major Heading front page SURROGATE MUM TOLD TO PAY. Page 9. PREACHER'S PREY COUNT LOST MILLIONS.
Must be two different versions of the same paper. Major headline says "Hospitals Fail Health Checks" ... and page 9 has "Mystery over Coles Artist "
so I must have a NSW edition being issued here in QLD - crazy .
Are you able to scan the article and email it.. Meanwhile I will drive up to Sunnybank and try a service station there
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Have you got your glasses on Eric?
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Attention All.
I have located the article from the newspaper and scanned and converted into a "pdf" document which you will need an "Adobe Acrobat Reader" to read.
I have sent two copies out to a friend or two and if you would like to acquire it can you "PM" me with your board ID and an email address eg "brolga - brolga@gmail.com" and I will forward it on to you... If I have doubts about your legitimacy of ID, I may email you privately or check with the moderators for confirmation.
Be aware that the file is large at approximately 2 megabytes in size and therefore I urge you to make sure you have emptied your email box,
To my friends whom I have already emailed this to, can you email me back confirming the attachment got to your email box ok and also would you mind passing on to any emails addresses you might know please..
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Reply to Im_out (25/01/2009 01:16:55) Hi Eric, stupid question, is there a web address from the paper you can put up? It obviously may not be up there today but probably in a few days time, then we can get it up here. As you may or may not know especially with the hits at over 4500, I know that a lot of Rci folk in Melbourne are looking on here. They really are being kept in the dark about this whole sad episode there is a huge cover up in the assembly. Not that I am aware off... I was sort off counting on everyone getting a copy and then emailing on to whoever they know or have association with and then thus let it get around under its own steam. If I used my own web space, I would invite the attention of some clown like VS trying to take me to court. The news item is in the public domain once it is openly published but I would still require permission from the newspaper to blog it on a website somewhere especially on a server with an Australian address. Unfortunately the paper article needs to be scanned and presented as it is published in order to avoid issues such as plagiarism and slander... But I am happy to pass it on to whomever because if the article is presented exactly as it is then we can still focus on the issue of accountability.... But if someone else would like to blog it somewhere say for example on a server in a country such as Germany then be my guest.
But in the meantime I am happy to pass on to anyone without my comments or opinion so I am not held accountable for accusation of slander.
So if you want it, just PM me.. and what you do with it is your own business..
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The Sun-Herald January25, 2009. Preacher’s prey count cost Millions by Kate Dennehy. ANGRY investors say they have lost Millions of dollars after their dealings with Gold Coast Solicitor and former Preacher Glenn Phillip Duker. At least 25 people attribute the loss of a total of $9Million to their involvement with Companies associated with Mr Duker,38, and his wife Lorilea Duker. The schemes included property joint ventures, loans and buying million dollar homes on the Gold coast, The Dukers through at least 30 companies have run complex schemes in Queensland, Victoria, NSW and Possibly Western Australia. The latest scheme allegedly involved buying homes from Gold Coast residents and borrowing through vendor finance more than the agreed amount with the seller. The excess was allegedly paid to one of Mr Dukers companies. Mr Duker is understood to have offered vendors about 70% upfront the rest owing was held as vendor finance to be paid later with Interest. He then mortgaged the properties for their total value. This meant that if the company were to become insolvent the seller would be unable to recoup the outstanding money. The Dukers allegedly used signed contracts as equity to borrow for more property “on selling” properties before the paying the balance of the debts or the interest. In such cases where the banks are not paid what is owed on either the first or second mortgage, they can repossess the properties and sell them, usually at much less than they are worth, and the seller has no way of recouping their money. Ian Hosking, a design Manager said he and his wife Samantha had lost about $600,000 on theur Sorrento home. The Hoskings listed their home for $1.65 Million in 2007. Mr Hosking said they had sold to the Dukers for an initial payment of $1.1million and a second mortgage of $500,000 with interest payable annually. In July the Hoskings saw their old house Advertised for sale for about $900,000. We realised something was wrong because the house was still worth in excess of the original purchase price. Me Hoskings said The Agent said it was being sold as mortgage in possession. He said the Dukers blamed the down turn in the property market for the low price. Mr Hoskings then learnt the Dukers first Mortgage was for $1.45 million,90% of the purchase price. We then became aware of many other properties in the same situation. Mr Hoskings said. Lynnette Orloff said she lived in her car or with friends after losing her Carrara house and the other Assets following her dealings with the Dukers. Ms Orloff who buys properties to renovate before selling said the Dukers were living it up on investors money. I’ve lost everything while they’re living like Millionaires and it looks like no one can touch them. Ms Orloff said she suffered a nervous break down and Im on anti depressants. Broadbeach builder and renovator Craig O’Brien said he and his wife had lost about $700,000, after Mr Duker failed to honour the sale of their Broadbeach Waters house. The banks had repossessed the property and sold it but the O’Briens had received nothing from the sale. Mr O’Brien said he had learned last year that the Dukers lived in the exclusive suburb of Brighton, and he had Mr Duker followed. “They were paying huge rents, sending their kids to private schools and both of them were driving brand new BMW’s.” he said. “They employ a nanny and fly interstate regularly staying in 5 star resorts..” Mr Duker reportedly works as a Solicitor at a St Kilda Rd firm In Melbourne. He and his wife were recently employed by Settle it Legal. A conveyancing company he originally set up in Surfers Paradise, where the office no longer operates. Mr Duker is a former Pastor of the fundamentalist church Revival centres International, which has branches around Australia including 5 in Queensland. Many investors in the Dukers failed RVP Group- of which Mr Duker was a Director were also members of the church. The RVP Group went into Liquidation in June. Banks took out caveats on the Dukers personal property. The RVP scheme involved the Dukers buying properties in their own name or on behalf of RVP. Solicitor Michael Hayter ,of Gillis Delaney Lawyers, last year acted for RVP Liquidator Bruce Gleeson in the NSW Supreme Court. Mr Hayter said Mr Duker had not advised the joint venturers to seek independent legal advice or explain that they could be liable for any mortgage shortfall. He said mr Duker also had failed to tell them they were liable for GST worth hundreds of thousands of Dollars , which RVP had claimed. Mr Gleeson confirmed last week that more than 25 creditors in Queensland, NSW and Victoria are owed more than $6Million by the failed company. He is recommending the Australian Securities and Investment Commission take further action against the Dukers. “Creditors of RVP are also pursuing Mr Duker under personal guarantees and have indicated they intend to make Mr Duker bankrupt if he does not pay them or alternatively declare himself bankruptcy himself” he said. Mr Duker has said he has no assets or money to pay creditors, Mr Gleeson said. The phone number the liquidator had for Mr Duker has been disconnected.
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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(Date Posted:25/01/2009 18:25:37)
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Reply to CAGD (28/01/2009 06:41:53) www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/preachers-prey-count-lost-millions/2009/01/28/1232818498952.html
Just a quick question. Can this fraudster face a jail term for all this ?? When you sum it all up, what you have is straight out theft of people's personal property namely their homes. What good is it if all he gets is a bankruptcy and in 10 years time when the bankruptcy is cleared he is still a free man that can't be touched... This really is not justice at all and the Revival Centres International have now brought themselves under a terrible reproach for having tried to cover it all up.
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Lets face it how many murderers, rapists, repetitive drink drivers.... the list goes on, walk free? The law can be an Ass! Christopher Scase ring any bells. Does it mean he is not guilty if not convicted? Where there is smoke there is fire and if back burning contains the spread that's the course of action that will be taken. There are a people committed to stop him and reveal every lie associated to this fiasco. So I suppose everybody else who knows that information given in Court was a variance on the truth feel they can sit in the boat and pray about it, nothing quite like apathetic justification to float your sinking boat.
The world holds this man and the arrogance of it's Pastors in contempt, the church sticks it's sorry head further and further in the sand hoping it will go away. Was OJ Simpson a straight up case the evidence was over whelming. As is the evidence against the Dukers. There is no quick answer, it certainly is in the too hard basket. So do we, like the church and it's silent members allow him to continue? wipe our hands of it sit back and lets see what happens? Turn a blind eye because it doesn't involve us financially or effect us so it's not our problem? I dont think so and neither does the growing list of his victims. In the past 3 weeks the debt owed to people was at 6 million today it is closer to 9 Million. Another victim of the same scam came forward yesterday after seeing the News Paper Article. These are not numbers these are peoples lives, childrens rooms- Family homes. These are not business deals gone wrong these are fraudulent deception. But who cares? Everyone should.
Some major back burning is on it's way.
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Yes it is just a case of sitting back and seeing what transpires over the next few months. We really are in no position to discern and prejudge. But there will be a "major backburning" as you say and I reckon you are right because the Court Judge is the one who will have to make the decision if there is a case for prosecution for transgression and infringement offence of Australian Crown law.
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Reply to Disciple (28/01/2009 21:14:34)
Reply to CAGD (28/01/2009 17:46:12)
Yes it is just a case of sitting back and seeing what transpires over the next few months. We really are in no position to discern and prejudge. But there will be a "major backburning" as you say and I reckon you are right because the Court Judge is the one who will have to make the decision if there is a case for prosecution for transgression and infringement offence of Australian Crown law.
So I suppose everybody else who knows that information given in Court was a variance on the truth feel they can sit in the boat and pray about it, nothing quite like apathetic justification to float your sinking boat.
Sitting was not quite the point I was aiming to promote, too many that should be jumping up and down are clinging to exactly what you said above. Affirming permission to do nothing is not the message to be reinforced -quite the opposite, to those ones that do know and say nothing -it is such a wrong position for them to be in. And it will incur judgement. Like failing to plan is planning to fail, so is doing nothing is doing something, saying nothing is silent support.
Of course like possibly yourself, if you know nothing there's not a whole lot you can do! Other than pray and support people affected if you know any. So Yes, Sit back, relax and pray.
And Yes, the law will be the judge, that judgement is only an avenue to assist the material wrongs that have devastated people and hopefully aid their recovery, and to stop this continuing. Ultimate judgement is what counts, our accountability before God for our actions.
But more than encouraging people to sit apathetically or be arrogantly nonchalant is the responsibility for those that know wrongs have been said and done, my point would be it's time to make a stand for whats right and stop being intimidated by fear of what will happen to you.
To speak the truth in the knowledge of adversity is a great test of faith- it certainly separates the sheep from the goats.
Was Christ persecuted for truth or did he sit back waiting to see how it panned out.
The church if it were a church of God and following his word is also charged to Judge within- regardless of the names involved.
It seems the church policy(a man's addition) and submission to heir-achy(to men) has replaced the loyalty that should be to God alone and following his Word.
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Today I had a letter read to me - (will post if I can get hold of a copy).
Mr Glenn Philip Duker has declared bankruptcy, owing a debt of $34 MILLION to Creditors.
Yet again all his worthless personal guarantees and promises meant nothing.
If only ASIC had applied the Enforceable Undertaking that was discovered in the Court Examinations, instead of being swayed by the verbal guarantees given by the Pastors of Revival Centres International (some of whom are said to have received "preferential" payments, before the other creditors).
ASIC contacted and spoke to the Pastors, they assured ASIC that he was a good man who would pay back his debts.
ASIC 's choice of action, was to proceed with the Enforceable Undertaking of RVP and prosecute Glenn Duker .
The Pastors encouraged ASIC to give him time to trade out so they could get their money back.
The debt could have been stopped three to four years ago, at under $3Mil.
At the RVP liquidation the Dukers declared a small number of creditors owed a debt of $3 Mil. It was corrected to be $6 Mil by the additional 15 creditors that RVP failed to mention- Now it's at $34 Mil and over 30+ creditors.
This number will grow as more creditors are alerted to this latest bankruptcy claim.
As CAGD aptly said above-These are not numbers, these are peoples lives, children's bedrooms and Family homes!
Pastor Simon Longfield said 3 years ago "if we keep him in the fellowship we will be able to control him and 'encourage' him to pay people back" - well done your encouragement has amounted to a further $30+ million of debt and devastation.
The financial and emotional devastation, being conned by a company run by so called Pastors, the injustice of people chasing a man who is in hiding so he can not be served his due summons. Those who have been hurt are not even allowed their right to fight for justice, families have been destroyed, people are suffering depression, nervous breakdowns, people have been hospitalized- how long before the pressure on these people lead to a successful suicide?
How can the people in the Church not care about the part their RCI Pastors have played in aiding this situation?
Instead of Pastor Victor Samoilenko telling Pastor Ian McGregor to "shut up, mind your own business and pull your head in", (McGregor confronted Victor as he lied to him about having business Ventures with Glenn) Victor should have followed his own advice!
It should have been handled by the proper legal channels, never in the church, the Pastors involved tried to control it and hide it.
Didn't work too well for the Catholic church either.
What happened to we stand at the door of the church on this one?
This should never have been allowed to continue, more people should have spoken up.
The fear of retribution should never have been a consideration.
Simon supported Glenn, in doing so they supported and affirmed his delusion allowing him to continue to financially defraud people.
Pastor Simon Longfield was warned this would blow up and the Church would be implicated if he continued to involve himself.
From all indications that is now the case.
It is bad enough that 3 Pastors were Directors of RVP (Matthew and Glenn Duker and Steve McCauley) + 4 other Pastors including Victor, Members and members families were involved financially and have lost money and some have further been left with illegal GST tax debts claimed by Glenn but then to add to it the Senior Pastor of RCI publicly verbally affirms his supports for these "good Christian men" and 'allegedly' perjures himself in court.
Simon Longfield in Court is said to have sworn he had no prior knowledge of problems with Glenn Duker doing business in the church until June 2005-
How many in Frankston Assembly remember hearing Pastor Ixx Pxxxx complaining about his particular financial problem and concerns back in 2000 with the Dukers, and Pxxxx warning Simon to do something to stop Glenn involving further church members and Simon did nothing.
Rxxxxxx Gaxxxxxxxxx complained continuously to Simon in 2004 until Simon put pressure on Glenn to release him from the Title of his Joint venture to shut him up.
RG has a bit of memory loss on how he got released and how much he complained.
Maybe a subpoena might jog his memory.
Rxxxxx Fxxxx went to Simon in 2002-2003 and there are others.
Even non members of the Church have contacted Simon and complained about what his "good Christian"appointed Pastors (Glenn and Matt,also a director of RVP Group Ltd, have done to them.
It will be interesting if these and others involved are subpoenaed.
Honesty and Accountability- interesting concept.
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Disciple wrote:
Just a quick question. Can this fraudster face a jail term for all this ??
You can bet that ASIC will have him in the gun and he will be prosecuted.
Whether he is convicted will depend on the evidence that ASIC can produce for the Court.
If convicted he will face a custodial sentence which may not be as long as you think he deserves!
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Well,
I've just read Mr Duker's 'Notification of Bankruptcy--Debtors Petition', and was somewhat dismayed to note that his automatic discharge from bankruptcy date is set at 23 January 2012! Given the extent of the debts owed to creditors contained therein (including a debt of $2,000,000 owed to 'Duker Investments'), I doubt that he will be able to make good on his promise to repay in full (so well done, Simon). Finally, of the $34,287,411 ('yes', you read that correctly) that he owes, there doesn't seem to be any RCI pastors listed among the claimants. Is anyone surprised by this?
Very, very sad.
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Reply to Didaktikon (01/02/2009 18:46:20)
and was somewhat dismayed to note that his automatic discharge from bankruptcy date is set at 23 January 2012! Ian
Bankruptcies normally last for three years but can be extended for 5 years on objection by the trustees ( and 8 years if he leaves Australia and fails to return) .. However bankruptcies remain on Veda Advantage credit files for seven years and although he may get ultimately discharged from his bankruptcy, never the less the ITSA bankruptcy record will always be available through the courts etc. The VA file will stop him obtaining any credit from banks etc for seven years but I think if he tries to obtain any credit while an undischarged bankrupt without disclosing it, he could face a conviction and possible jail sentence..
sad so many have been hurt while Simon Longfield and his sidemen did nothing about it all.
Still what happens now with the ASIC ? will he still have a case to answer ??
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Reply to Didaktikon (01/02/2009 18:46:20)
Well,
I've just read Mr Duker's 'Notification of Bankruptcy--Debtors Petition', and was somewhat dismayed to note that his automatic discharge from bankruptcy date is set at 23 January 2012! Given the extent of the debts owed to creditors contained therein (including a debt of $2,000,000 owed to 'Duker Investments'), I doubt that he will be able to make good on his promise to repay in full (so well done, Simon). Finally, of the $34,287,411 ('yes', you read that correctly) that he owes, there doesn't seem to be any RCI pastors listed among the claimants. Is anyone surprised by this?
Very, very sad.
Ian
Hi Ian, is there a chance you could get an actual copy of this letter up here, like the news paper was put up?? A lot of folk I know who are still caught up in the organisation will still class this as "hearsay", and as you know the whole thing is being controlled, covered up, swept under the carpet and made light of. The folk I know need actual documentation, as this will cut through all this. Thanks Im out
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Hi Oout of Egypt...The fact is once you have filed for bunkruptcy, you are no longer in debt. It is not a case of waiting for 3 years at all.. Go to [link] (ITSA) website and you will have it fully explained. What it simply means is that for three years you are under the financial control of a "trustee" and you are severley limited on what you can and can not own eg your car must not be worth more than $6300 etc. etc. But I would like you to go to that website and have a good poksie around. The reason being is that there is a loophole there that refers to money that has been obtained by fraudulent means prior to the banruptcy. Simply it could mean that perhaps if the ASIC finds evidence that is pointing to misuse of investers investments then the three year automatic discharge rule may not necessarily apply. Anyway have a look and see what you think
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Hi Fremde
Better still "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Matthew 16:26)
Absabloominlutely!!
I must say - those who are forced to rely on the legal system to get justice might be a long time waiting.
Working alongside lawyers has left me with little confidence that the truth will always be told, that those in the right will be vindicated or that monies are ever fully repaid. Who was it said 'The law is an ass'? - from Oliver Twist I think.
That's not to say we should not strive for justice, especially in light of the huge financial losses in the Duker fiasco, for example. The fight is all the more justified if we fight on behalf of those who don't have the means to fight or who have lost heart themselves.
But, as we fight, we shouldn't lose sight of our treasure already found, our peace already bought, our eventual salvation assured.
Waxing lyrical Chips
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Thanks John, your honesty is appreciated and encouraging. Being deceived has little to do with intellect, especially when it's from a position of trust. Chippy said The fight is all the more justified if we fight on behalf of those who don't have the means to fight or who have lost heart themselves. (I like your waxing Lyrical!)
For this very reason some of the ATO Credit debts have been cleared for 3 people so far in the RVP Liquidation, and for others who thought they were alone and confused they are now supported and seeing they are part of a much bigger picture, it may not change their financial situations immediately but emotionally it's huge and it gives hope.
The more awareness to the latest Liquidation the better, hopefully more people will come forward- He may have declared $34 Million but you can bet like we heard in the last Liquidation (RVP) there are more people that have no idea he is Liquidating- thats apparently what happened the last time, more creditors came forward having no idea RVP was Liquidating them joined forces took control of the Liquidation. I hope the same happens again.
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Heres the artical and here is the web link for those that need it. Sundays Melbourne Age http://www.theage.com.au/national/bankrupt-former-pastor-may-owe-creditors-40m-20090207-80ge.html?page=-1Bankrupt former pastor may owe creditors $40m<!-- Insert Article Content --><!-- Article Details --> - Michael Bachelard
- February 8, 2009
A FORMER fundamentalist church pastor who lost millions of dollars in investors' money through questionable property deals has become one of Australia's biggest bankrupts, going to the wall owing a massive $34 million. But the real figure owed by Melbourne churchman and lawyer Glenn Duker could be even higher, up to about $40 million, because other debts that he personally guaranteed do not appear on his bankruptcy notification. Insolvency experts say this probably puts Mr Duker among the 10 biggest bankrupts in Australia in the past decade. Mr Duker, a former pastor with Melbourne-based Revival Centres International, threw in the financial towel on January 9 after seven years of living a rich life while losing millions of dollars of other people's money. His church, Melbourne-based Revival Centres International, however, stands by him. Its deputy leader, Vic Semoilenko, told the flock in December that it was "sad that people (complaining about Mr Duker) could be so bitter, and it was sad that people could make so many errors and then want to blame others for their errors". Mr Duker has listed his largest creditor as the National Australia Bank's low-doc loan company, Homeloans Ltd, which is said to be owed $12 million (though Homeloans Ltd disputes that it would have this exposure). Other commercial lenders are owed more than $1 million each. Mr Duker also owes his mother $1.4 million, and his family's investment company $2 million. Many of the bad debts were accrued after the Australian Securities and Investments Commission abandoned action against Mr Duker and his former property development company, RVP Group, in 2007. ASIC accepted Mr Duker's promises to repay money owing to investors. Some did receive their money back, but others were left short, and only those who threatened legal action were repaid. One Victorian victim said she was forced to sell everything after Mr Duker reneged on a personal guarantee of $150,000. RVP Group, like most of Mr Duker's other companies, is now in liquidation, and the liquidator believes it traded while insolvent for much of its life. Other companies are under the control of his wife, Lorilea. It is now clear, however, that, as an individual, Mr Duker continued borrowing and spending other people's money on property throughout 2007. Former Sydney Swans player Craig O'Brien sold a $1.3 million Surfers' Paradise home to Mr Duker in mid-2007, but agreed to lend part of the sale price back to him, as long as it was repaid with interest. Mr Duker quickly tried to offload the house, then the bank eventually sold it at a loss to recoup their loan to Mr Duker, and Mr O'Brien saw no return. He claims he is owed about $700,000. Mr Duker foreshadowed his bankruptcy to Mr O'Brien a year ago in a text message that also said, "Sorry for your loss." Mr O'Brien said the Dukers were living last year in a Brighton house, "paying huge rents, sending their kids to expensive private schools and both of them were driving brand new BMWs". Asked for comment on the bankruptcy, Lorilea Duker told The Sunday Age: "I really don't have time at the moment and I'm really not interested." Mr Duker began his investment business in 2002 after he was inspired by disgraced property spruiker Henry Kaye. Bankruptcy means he can no longer be sued by creditors, but his trustee, Dennis Turner of accounting firm PKF, said he could investigate whether any money had been hidden away in recent years.
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And the truly sad thing? Simon Longfield and the RCI continues to defend and support this man, as they believe that he's been misrepresented! The he's been the victim of a vendetta!
How does one respond to this sort of delusion?!
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Its deputy leader, Vic Semoilenko, told the flock in December that it
was "sad that people (complaining about Mr Duker) could be so bitter,
and it was sad that people could make so many errors and then want to
blame others for their errors".
And how does Victor Samoilenko justify this sick remark ?? I would be very bitter if someone duped me out of my home and possessions.. I think it sad that so many people have been fooled by VS for so long. Perhaps this explains why his little group in Townsville has the highest rate of membership turnover in the whole RCI..
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How could the NAB Bank, his own mother and his own company have a vendetta against him? Delusion, delusion, delusion! We all know it is more than that!
With so many other creditors on the list, as well as reputable large Banks and other financiers such as GE Money, Deputy Commissioner of Taxation, Esanda, Westpac, Citibank, Ray White, Origin Energy, BCC, AMEX, ANZ (the list goes on) it is very clear who "has made the errors", what Duker has done and what Longfield has done, and what Samoilenko has done, what ASIC did not do but should have! They need to be held accountable. This was no accident.
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Victor and Simon have continuously placed blame on the victims instead of the instigator. If Simon and Victor can convince people these victims are bitter, they then feel justified in slandering them to further point people in the wrong direction for where the fault lies, to attempt to cover their own wrong doing in involving them selves and the church. A strong current that has always been picked up from "the bitter Complainants" as Victor called them, is the hope that Glenn would come to the realization of his wrong doings, repent and fix it. They have felt Dissapointment, devistation and at times Anger, who wouldnt? that would be a more honest discription but not hatred and bitterness as Simon and Victor has encouraged people to beleive. This family was in the Assembly for about 17 years, as a house leader and from 95 as an Area leader, Simon admitted he tried to find some one to speak against them and he couldn't. Simon told the reporter they wernt regular they didnt come very often. Again another slight on truth. They did not put their money in business deals and couldn't handle it as Victor said in his talk, the issue is they lent GD money when he begged them for help and Signed Loans for him, he asked them for help as a brother and friend, they asked for 100% personal gaurentees; they were worthless to the banks, they didn't expect to be so viley deceived by their own Pastor, what they can be blaimed for is naivity.
What a wicked web we weave when we practice to deceive. Lloys always said Cob webs, cob webs-Kill the Spider!
So many lives have been trapped in this web.
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Mr K asked in Chat box about the names crossed out on the Glenn Duker Liquidation notice. These are said to be private individual peoples that have been duped, there are no revival centre people on this liquidation notice. Unless people are trading under an entity which would conceal their name.
M & G Lago, Glenns In-laws are listed as owed $1,453,000.00. There are a lot of creditors not declared that should have been on this list. The final debt will be larger than the $34 Mil Declared.
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Allegation big and small,
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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/national/expastor-joins-list-of-10-biggest-bankrupts/2009/02/12/1234028166542.html Ex-pastor joins list of 10 biggest bankrupts By Michael Bachelard | February 12, 2009 - 9:51AM
A FORMER fundamentalist church pastor who lost millions of investors' dollars through questionable property deals is one of Australia's worst bankrupts, owing at least $34 million. The total owed by former Gold Coast lawyer Glenn Phillip Duker could hit about $40 million, because some debts he personally guaranteed do not appear on his bankruptcy notification. Insolvency experts say Mr Duker, now of Melbourne, is among the nation's 10 biggest bankrupts in the past decade. Mr Duker is a former pastor with Revival Centres International, which has branches in Queensland. He threw in the financial towel on January 9 after seven years of living a rich life while losing millions of dollars of other people's money. His church, however, has stood by him. Its deputy leader, Vic Semoilenko, said in December it was "sad that people [complaining about Mr Duker] could be so bitter, and it was sad that people could make so many errors and then want to blame others for their errors". Mr Duker has listed his largest creditor as the National Australia Bank's low-doc loan company, Homeloans Ltd, which is reportedly owed $12 million. Homeloans Ltd disputes this exposure. Other commercial lenders are each owed more than $1 million. Mr Duker also owes his mother $1.4 million, and his family's investment company $2 million. Many of the debts were accrued after the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) investigated Mr Duker and his former property development company, RVP Group, in 2007. ASIC accepted Mr Duker's promises to repay debts to investors. Some received money back after threatening legal action, but others were left short. One victim, who lives in Victoria, said she had been forced to "sell everything" after Mr Duker reneged on a personal guarantee of $150,000. RVP Group, like most of Mr Duker's companies, is in liquidation. The liquidator believes the company traded while insolvent. Other companies are under the control of his wife, Lorilea. Former Sydney Swans player Craig O'Brien said he had sold a $1.3 million Surfers Paradise home to Mr Duker in mid-2007 but had agreed to lend part of the sale price back to him. Mr O'Brien said he had seen no return and was still owed about $700,000, after the bank had eventually sold the house at a loss to recoup its loan to Mr Duker. Another Queensland victim of the Dukers' scheme, Lynette Orloff, said she had spent $100,000 on legal fees fighting the Dukers and could not afford any more. Asked for comment on the bankruptcy, Mrs Duker said: "I really don't have time at the moment and I'm really not interested." Some of the Queensland victims will discuss possible legal action at a meeting with a Gold Coast lawyer tomorrow. WITH KATE DENNEHY
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
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Reply to outaegypt (11/02/2009 23:28:43) http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/national/expastor-joins-list-of-10-biggest-bankrupts/2009/02/12/1234028166542.html When it is all said and done, the Revival Centres International have only themselves to blame for the mess and reproach that they are now buried in.
To those who are current members: It is high time for you to rethink and re-evaluate your continued membership involvement with such an organisation that is obviously not being conducted in a true Christlike way. There is no need to fear the thought of leaving the Revival Centres International and you will certainly find when you take those first steps upon walking out the RCI front door and you decide to "shake the RCI dust from your feet" that God has not abandoned you or forsaken you in any way. In fact you will find God prospering your journey away from the Revival Centres to new levels and newer and higher heights in ways that would not be possible by remaining behind...
blessings Eric
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
Date Posted:13/02/2009 2:00 AMCopy HTML
What Disciple has said above is so true, I have been a Dedicated RC Loyal for so many years but what I have come into now with my Relationship with the Lord surpasses any thing I thought I had before. There is an oppression of expectation and control that you don't dare acknowledge whilst within but once you leave and find the Lord in a healthier relationship/environment you realize what a burden of lack luster life you lived with unknowingly for all those years. And don't let any one tell you 'if your relationship with God is lack luster it's your vision thats the problem', it's not -it's the crap diet your being fed, you've been eating the same regulation regurgitated slop for years. Take a moment to be honest at least within yourself. Do you feel on fire, excited,fulfilled, Joyful, free, Spirit led or are you obligated, confined and trapped in a regulated, repetitious cycle, honoring Men that hold position and power that do not reflect the God of the bible. So many are shown to be self seeking and self serving, everything opposite to what the Lord is. These men no longer reflect the Image of Christ. They are tarnish by greed, lies, money and power. I've wasted most of my life serving an institution and giving my loyalty to men- not that I realized at the time. For the later half of my life I want to fully be of use to the the Lord and be about his work in whatever capacity that comes into my life.
Don't stay a caterpillar break out of the cocoon and become a butterfly- the Lord has begun a good work in you but you are bound by a cocoon that will not set you free or develop you to what the Lord would have you become.
Is it easy? No, there's a lot to overcome and sort through.
Will you fall away? Not if you are committed to the Lord of the Bible. God should be your strength not the organization. Will you miss the past life? For sure, there is a grieving. Our past stays with us but our future is ahead. Phil 3:13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended(understood); but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, Will you regret it? Never
Is it Worth it? Hell yes!
Don't be held back any longer from the full potential that God has for your life.
It is like stepping into the light not realizing you've been sitting in the Dark.
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
Date Posted:13/02/2009 5:03 AMCopy HTML
Reply to outaegypt (12/02/2009 20:00:37) What Disciple has said above is so true, I have been a Dedicated RC Loyal for so many years but what I have come into now with my Relationship with the Lord surpasses any thing I thought I had before.
My experience of leaving the Revival Centres reminds me of Romans 7 and 8. You can be bound in legalism without the power to do anything about it. But if you have been truly regenerated by the Holy Spirit then Romans 8 comes clearly into the picture and God empowers you to make the choice that you have the Heavenly right to pursue and one totally free with legalism's ugly head totally bruised and crushed under the heels of your feet. God promises you complete victory over any form of legalism including the RCI brand of legalism.
blessings
Eric
ps To the RCI pastors reading this post. This is not an attack on the RCI but rather is a stern rebuke of its sad practices that do not conform to true Biblical Christianity.
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
Date Posted:05/03/2009 9:44 PMCopy HTML
Reply to Uncoolman (05/03/2009 04:39:53) A talk given by Victor Samoilenko giving 'his' account of his court visit
I am appalled that Victor Samoilenko just brushes aside the whole sordid business as if nothing is wrong. Barristers don't just put words into peoples mouths. Usually it is an effort to get to the truth that Barristers need to ask the awkward questions and to admit to contempt to the court process is just plain sad. He also stated that the newspapers have got the story wrong. Well he better put a sock in it because a $35 million bankruptcy petition with the ITSA is no laughing matter...
What is also strange is his admission that no one sent him to Townsville to start a work and it appears that he is affirming the fact that he is self appointed as a "pastor". And also when you listen to the recording, the man appears to have no sense of reality . He really appears lost...
"The Revival Centres International" - there go I but for the grace of God.
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Eric
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
Date Posted:05/03/2009 10:35 PMCopy HTML
Hi, Eric.
Given that Vic Samoilenko had apparently been making use of Duker's services for his own personal financial benefit, it would hardly do for him to not brush aside concern for/outrage over the matter, eh? Sadly truth often becomes a rather 'rubbery' commodity when one has behaved in a matter that is unbecoming one's position or station in life, and faces public exposure.
Blessings,
Ian
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
Date Posted:06/03/2009 9:22 AMCopy HTML
The hypocrisy is unbelievable, and folk are still being told that not to believe every thing they read in the papers and that its all exaggerated. I must share this, someone said to me, that THE REVIVAL CENTRES ARE THE EXCLUSIVE BRETHERN OF THE PENTICOSTAL WORLD, I found this really meaningful especially after my sons football match, when in speaking to one of the fathers, about God, Death and the Recession etc, when he told me that he went to an offshoot of the Brethren. I told him about the way RCI was run etc etc etc, he then commented that if we were looking for somewhere to go he reckoned we would fit in ok with them as they were not that bad. Gives you something to think about doesn't it when they say that.
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Re:Rci pastor has been uncovered
Date Posted:06/03/2009 12:39 PMCopy HTML
Duker recently being named as one of Australia's top 10 Bankruptcies, shows the depth of deception used to be able to Create a $40 Million debt in such a short period of time. Its an opportunity needing to expose the truth of the man and the church that has publicly supported The Dukers and publicly demeaned his victims. (Victors talk posted above) It is said to have developed into such a huge, appalling case.
Makes me think of one of those choruses you never want to here again...... "There's no hiding place down here, there's no hiding place down here. I went to the rock to hide my face, the rock cried out no hiding place, There's no hiding place down here"
As I hear it, I'll repeat it,
Its up to you if you believe it!
Allegation big and small,
soon revealed before us all.
outa here- Outa Egypt!
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