Words cannot express the absolute fury this invoked in me. Should know better than to read these messages. Well, doesnt say much for Allan Campbell now, does it? No alarm bells, no niggling doubts? scott is the master manipulator...and Allan is rather extreme in his views too, isnt he? A rather inordinate emphasis on British Israel, I would say.....

and Lar's comments....of course George promised not to try and get others out..until he realised what a monster the CAI really was..and now..go for it George.

I wonder which other of scotts fan clubs need to know about his behaviour....jp's department, st george society.....anyone else??????

bb

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Jawohl Mr Vidler ....we pass it on ..... not only verbally (I don't feel relaxed using the word "orally" connected to CAI).......) ....... I hope in writing is ok too....As one can see these guys Lars & Co haven't changed their deceitful misleading ways yet! Well ....keep them in your prayers!LARS:Let us say that the numbers are exaggerated .... what is a number you (your concience) would feel small enough to count as "acceptable victims" 7 or 6 or 5........just look unto Jesus:What you do unto the least (single person) of them you do unto me!Heydrich Finch - how would you feel if your son would be the victim - still the same way???? By the way: have you ever had to balls to talk

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Did I get it right, that Scott is a pastor now? Appointed by whom, may I ask?

Is it CAI or the poor people who has managed to leave CAI who split families? Is it peoploe in CAI or "the other side" who shuns people? You know, you people in CAI, when you shun me you have an ugly appearence, then you really look so ugly. Has Scott told you that, I don? think so?

Of course it? CAI who splits families. Of course it? CAI who shuns people. A person that says otherwise is either evil and have started all this evil process like Scott Williams himself has done, or is manipulated by the selfish sociopath Scott Williams. Scott, you can? escape. Your game is over. Soon, or maybe it has already happened, the police will come to your place Scott and take you to court, because you have split families, you have manipulated so many people, you have taken selfish so many peoples money and you have selfish destroyed so many peoples lives. Scott, I promise you, you will rotten in the prison. You see, you can? escape. How can you escape the justice in the long run?

Scott Williams is (?) the overseer AND pastor  .... just to answer the question.

I found it very interesting to read that Scott is still the OVERSEER ... thougth he has been retired? Or is this honorary post?! - For Mr. Campbell is a false prophet it does not wonder about his "alliance". "Birds of a feather flock together".

George, hope you don't believe in BI anymore, do you?

I guess that the facts (and YES, Lars, you know it - may God grant you grace!) George told Pastor Allan are going beyond anything he could imagine. If you consider Allans background of a congregation of mostly elderly people who (usually) could not even think of someone comitting abominations as Scott does, I am not surprised that he even rather believes the Finch, while he is protecting his mate Scott.

After all a pastor is a pastor (he probably does not even know that Willi stepped back, sideways and forward again a couple of times) and as such he probably just decided whom to believe - and live on in his (dream) world of a clean church. I would just leave him that peace.

Well, another interesting little side fact just comes to my mind: When Pastor Allan turned up at the first HV, Scott told the "?ter" quite energized how he finds it amazing that pastor Allan wears basically the same golden necklace as he does...I guess though, that this is really just a coincidence...

(For non CAI people: Scotts explanation for his faggot adornments (chain, bracelet) were explained as having some connection to the OT, King David and such...  At another point I was informed that the poof bracelets they wear actually symbolise the Bundschaft, something, as we all know, which is certainly to be estimated higher than being married to a woman. I wonder what the women think when their husbands run around which such stuff...(mine would be disgusted that's for sure).  I was always a bit puzzled about all that gold dangling round their necks and arms as here (in the Fahtherland ) only pimps, poofs and such folk run around like that... maybe that's really different in "the english speaking world" as a certain gay would state)

cheers, Carsten

Hi Carsten

- gold chains ....   are fairly suspscious in the UK - v. few men wear them and I am almost certain Prince Charles (nor his  sons) doesn't  wear them - they are  though acceptable amongst  "Chav " elements  in UK society  (see www.chavscum.co.uk)  where Bling is  popular.... maybe Scott aims to evangelise this  stratum of  society ....  RnB, RAP, bling,  etc.

GAYNESS - last time  I looked on the CAI website, there were pictures of Scott and Michy - with matching "gold"  waist coats at a  HV somewhere....  how gay is that?? ....  certainly very  very eccentric (putting it politely).   I'd definitely be suspicious if I were a  'new-one' .

Shame about the "story"  being published in the CAI....  pity the members .....   so many attacks, so many (nasty) wolves circling the citidel.....   it must be  really hard to remain pure, to believe in the Bible and Scott,  and battle  for the glory of God and all that....

I can't imagine Smith Wigglesworth nor Wesley nor  David  Wilkerson being into "bling"  the way Scott is.

Given the CAI? knack for embellishment and elaboration, it would not surprise me at all if "pastor" Alan did not say half of what Andrew writes. And even if he did, if Alan feels so close and loyal to Scott, why doesn? he phone him himself??? Or is Scott so important, that he can only be given information through henchmen like Andrew. Reminds me of those 6  am phone calls I used to get from Sandra: "I have Andrew on the phone for you", too bloody lazy to punch in the number himself....

And let us consider why Alan? loyalty lies with the "main body" (whatever that may mean, does that mean George is a amputated limb?!?). The church meetings he holds in Scotland, if not attended by the CAI there, would only be attended by 3 grannies and the church? pastor who looks like death warmed up (nice guy, maybe it? all that israelite food which makes him look so peaky). But thanks to the CAI, Alan can state every time, "it? so good to see all these young people here". Added to that, practically all his books are on the official list. So good marketing Alan, of course you want to stay with the "main body", they?e the suckers who pay you to write.

I wonder if Lars or anyone else will the decency to write to me and let me know about this themselves? They did not answer my resignation email at all. Nor Ian's. Just threw us out on our ear.

BTW - in my message to Pastor Alan I specifically mentioned that he SHOULD get in touch with Lars to confirm everything that I have written (funny how Lars never mentioned that one). That since it was my job from the very start to be in touch with Pastor Alan that I felt it was my job to inform him of the levels of corruption (sexually and administrativley). I waited 6 months to do so.

I was conservative in the numbers of people that Scott has sexually abused in my message to Pastor Alan. I only put in the numbers of those that I personally know about.

I'm glad to be out. Thank you God for getting me out of the CAI - what a mess. What a self serving cess pool. No wonder all those who dissented were cut off and put out of fellowship. What an evil system. And they think they do God's work.  No other Christian church would have dealt with things like the CAI did. At least when my kids grow up I will have lots of stories to tell them about what NOT to do as a church.

I will phone Pastor Alan personally and tell him just how the CAI looks after victims of abuse, they call them wolves and murmerers and cut them off. Shame on you all.

G.

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all:what if we all write our view to "pastor" Alan's email address???Have somebody his email?

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I guess it does not help bombarding him with mails now. But if someone he knows - i.e. George - would write a statement confirming our views, I would sign it.

just my 2 p.

C.

Hi Carsty,

I wrote to Pastor Alan personally as a long time aquaintance and friend, about the sexual corruption and more importantly how the victims were hounded out of the church and labelled as "wolves, rebels, murmerers, fallen, turned their back on the Lord etc".

I also asked Pastor Alan to get in touch with Lars to confirm what I have written is true. I was not trying to be one-sided. Funny how Lars fails to mention that.

I will phone him personally and explain everything, of how the victims were driven out, cut off and threatened if they did not "shut up" and get on with it. If he listens, great, if not - then it is his own decision.

G.

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Hi Carsty,I wrote to Pastor Alan personally as a long time aquaintance and friend, about the sexual corruption and more importantly how the victims were hounded out of the church and labelled as "wolves, rebels, murmerers, fallen, turned their back on the Lord etc".I also asked Pastor Alan to get in touch with Lars to confirm what I have written is true. I was not trying to be one-sided. Funny how Lars fails to mention that.I will phone him personally and explain everything, of how the victims were driven out, cut off and threatened if they did not "shut up" and get on with it. If he listens, great, if not - then it is his own decision.G.

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Can we call him by his name please, unless of course he has changed his first name to "pastor".

Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man. For I know not to give flattering titles; in so doing my maker would soon take me away. (Job 32.21-22)

When are Christians going to stop fawning before elders and encouraging pomposity?

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Can we call him by his name please, unless of course he has changed his first name to "pastor".

Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man. For I know not to give flattering titles; in so doing my maker would soon take me away. (Job 32.21-22)

When are Christians going to stop fawning before elders and encouraging pomposity?

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not sure what you want to tell us here. Did not Jesus himself and the prophets title some people himself by some character names? Yes not all titles are ok but some are really appropiate. Think it was hard for you to find above scripture, wasn't it

Schrotti

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The late Ray C Steadman wrote an article, all could do well to read, about one more thing ASW and a lot of other churches get very wrong regarding leadership

http://www.raystedman.org/misc/pastorauth.html

Info about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Campbell_(pastor)

What a nutter. he is unlikely to separate from ASW.....they both love all that B I rubbish. Anti Semetic, anti black races, anti everything that isn't idolising Betty, Phil and Chuck and the other royals.

If Betty Windsor (aka Queen of England) is such a wonderful woman and her son Chuck once nearly landed in ASW's back yard, how come they are still in the Church of England and don't speak in tongues.....or did Lloyd, Noel and Scott as the anointed ones give them exemption? Scott used to get all giggly with that cutesy grin he has perfected and rave about how he had letters from the palace answering his letters to them. Perhaps I am wrong. Does anyone know whether or not Scott baptised the whole royal household? Do they all speak in tongues? Maybe he converted them when wasn't sneaking behind the iron curtain etc etc. I believe all his stories. However he doesn't look 108, which he would have to be to have done all he says he's done.

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Info abouthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Campbell_(pastor)What a nutter. he is unlikely to separate from ASW.....they both love all that B I rubbish. Anti Semetic, anti black races, anti everything that isn't idolising Betty, Phil and Chuck and the other royals.If Betty Windsor (aka Queen of England) is such a wonderful woman and her son Chuck once nearly landed in ASW's back yard, how come they are still in the Church of England and don't speak in tongues.....or did Lloyd, Noel and Scott as the anointed ones give them exemption? Scott used to get all giggly with that cutesy grin he has perfected and rave about how he had letters from the palace answering his letters to them. Perhaps I am wrong. Does anyone know whether or not Scott baptised the whole royal

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well, at least the tale was frequently told that betty "might even" be spirit filled and that she would have visited a pentecost church during an official visit of takatuka land etc.. very misterious, but after all she is the legitimate heir of David's throne and Phil is all so funny ridiculing the boongs and no, CAI is not racist, but still ASW boasts how he snubbed the Kulis (Indians) at the airport when the service for his highness didin't go "quick! quick!" enough... and guys like Phillipe in France "how good to see that these blacks know to be humble as God ordered them" -  how sick.

May I use the opportunity to quote from CAI.org here: "We pray to wake up our blind people and realise that our heritage is being attacked. We have been so deceived that we even fear the word "racist" ... Think back to the former meaning of the word "gay" - have you seen those old black and white movies or danced the 'Gay Gordon'? It seems so foolish to allow the minorities to destroy our beautiful english language... How it grieves God, who gave His only Son to lead us into paths of righteousness...." And so on and so on.

Maybe someone should give Betty, Phil etc a hint who is desperately trying to get under her wings fo such a long time... bet she wouldn't be amused to find that he is a sex offender, a hypocrite, and a baal worshipper. 

down with racism = down with CAI.

cheers,

Carsten

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My wife used to work with a woman whose husband had had a mental breakdown. He was deranged but not dangerous. Every year he would send a Birthday Card to the Queen with the notation "Happy Birthday Queen, love Les". He died a few years back and I said to my wife "I wonder if Betty said to Phil..."I didn't get a card from Les this year, I hope he is OK". My wife said I was terrible, but couldn't stop laughing.

Betty probably says to Phil and Chuck "That nutter from the CIA hasn't written to us for a while, what a pity, we could do with a few laughs" "He thinks we descended from King David, obviously he hasn't read any history books or he would know that our forebears all had dodgy pasts"

Here's the correct link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Campbell_%28pastor%29

greets,

C.

I have heard, it was in a documentary film called "Illuminati", that the British Royal family descent from Germany. So that weird British Israel theory would be true, wouldn? it?

Besides, I thought  Scott was so annoited by God that he could travel with light speed and be "beamed". That is why he could be at three places nearly at the same time. Of course with permission by God. :-) And that he then was so wise so he had a vision, of course from God, that just he would lead people from their money to Australia, the new Israel. Oh, is Scott from Australia, what a coincidence. How could your plans, Scott, be like your God? plans, oh you had a direct line to God Scott, oh I see. That explains it all. Because you are not a liar Scott, are you?

 P.S.  And that was at the same time as he "rescued" boys from their families. What a guy! You must be a hell of a guy Scott. To do all this by yourself.

back to Alan though, found this quote in one of the articles linked to his wiki page:

"It was apposite that the shadowy figure of Alan Campbell emerged in the Spotlight film, because it was his old friend, the late, loyalist paedophile John McKeague"

did some more research on this John McKeague and apparently he was a homosexual, paedophile and allegedly involved with the disappearance and death of some young boys. Alan is obviously not too picky about his friends, as long as they share and support his extreme views, their "private" lives do not concern him.

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Reply to : Carsten RMy wife used to work with a woman whose husband had had a mental breakdown. He was deranged but not dangerous. Every year he would send a Birthday Card to the Queen with the notation "Happy Birthday Queen, love Les". He died a few years back and I said to my wife "I wonder if Betty said to Phil..."I didn't get a card from Les this year, I hope he is OK".My wifesaid I was terrible, but couldn't stop laughing.Bettyprobably says to Phil and Chuck "That nutter from the CIA hasn't written to us for a while, what a pity, we could do with a few laughs" "He thinks we descended from King David, obviously he hasn't read any history books or he would know that our forebears all had dodgy pasts"

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ROFL

That about sums it up...doesnt Scott know that everyone who writes to the queen gets a letter from the ladies-in-waiting? She's probably got a whole room full of them and I'll bet my grannies undies that she doesnt know who ASW is!

Delusions of grandeur, its part of his illness.

bb

Don? we just love those ALL messages....although some parts are very interesting. Lars, if you?e reading this, please reply to my comments, even if you think I? just another "bitter" assembly member!

Dear Officers,

After talking to the Overseer I am writing this message to you all, in
order to inform you about a phone call I had last night with pastor Alan.
Pastor Alan phoned me and informed me that George had written a long
email to him, informing him that George and Ian had left the CAI and have now
joined another church and asking him to cut all ties with CAI, as we
are a corrupt church and went into quite some detail in order to convince him
of this. He advised him to take any website links from his website and
explained that Scotty was not repentant about his sin and that we have
not been dealing scripturally with the situation.

George of course never mentioned that he hardly ever was in contact
with Scotty, Michy or even Drew or I and never really did what a counsellor
was supposed to do, namely to help and counsel the Overseer in difficult
times like this. Neither did he mention that he had tried to send an email to
ALL-OFFICERS, accusing and exposing the Overseer of things he had
apparently done, which then led to him being put out of the church. He mentioned
vastly exaggerated numbers of people pastor Scott fell in sin with and went
into quite some detail about where things went wrong from his point of view.
He attacked people like Michy, Lars, Drew, Mark and Sebastian for not
going down the way he, Benny and Hawky wanted to go down with an
investigation and even George's suggestion to get a pastor from another church involved
in this process.

Why did anyone have to help and counsel the Overseer in this difficult time? When any normal member in the CAI does something wrong, (which could be anything from making scones to their family recipe instead of Ree? to having sex with their fianc?before marriage), they are not counselled and helped. They are branded, named and shamed before all and dealt with extremely severely in comparison to other religious groups or the NT church. But if you are the "Overseer" and like to get your willy out in front of all the hunky young men, then that? ok?

As for the people "Scott fell in sin with" - ok Lars, you are not a native speaker and your English is atrocious and assembly-contaminated, BUT, writing like this, puts the onus on the others - "the ones he fell in sin with", so anyone out there who? been sexually abused, whether in the CAI or not, it was your fault. You fell into sin too.

Pastor Alan's reaction was very good and he stated to brother Glyn, who
also read the email: "WE WILL STAY WITH THE MAIN BODY OF CAI!!!".
The content of George's email didn't surprise him, as pastor Scott had
wanted pastor Alan to know what is going on in the Assembly and he had
been kept informed since the beginning of this whole situation. Pastor Alan
was shocked to see George behave so unscripturally and told me again, that
he believes that God wants sin to be dealt with discreetly. He was
absolutely against involving other churches with internal Assembly matters and was
shocked that George joined another church and mentioned he should just
get on with things there in Chilliwack. Pastor Alan also mentioned that he
has seen attacks like this on many churches and that this is a way Satan
uses to destroy the church.

Yeah, his reaction was good, because he agreed with you. So if he hadn? you would now be branding him as an infidel, and the CAI would cut all ties, not buy his books anymore. Just because he thinks it? ok to hang out with paedos and gays, doesn? make him kosher. Look at all the other attempted affiliations - DJ, Paul Longfield, Fred N., etc. where are they all now? The clear message you are sending out Lars is basically, if you have any kind of morals in your life, you?e not welcome.

As to whether George has actually joined another church? I did not get that impression from his posts and I wonder if that is really what he wrote to Alan. If he did not specifically state that he has joined another church, either Alan is lying, or you are Lars. Wouldn? be a first though would it?

Another interesting thing pastor Alan said that he recognizes a typical
way of how Satan works, namely that all of a sudden many years after
something ever seems to have happened people come up with their claims. This is
unscriptural and if something happened they should have brought it up
then and there. But he also made it very clear that EVERYBODY must take
responsibilities for his actions and can't just blame it on somebody
else.

Once again, abuse victims. It? YOUR fault.

It is very sad to see how bad George has turned in actively trying to
harm the work where the Lord had put him, despite having promised that he is
not going to try to get people away from the church, when he was informed
that he is put out of fellowship. He is unfortunately not keeping his Word
and is treading on very dangerous grounds.

Let us all keep up the good work in going out and getting people saved
and not get distracted with what some "bitter" brethren try to do to us, as
there are millions out there, who need the words of salvation, which we
possess.

Love in Christ,
                       Lars
And, please would someone finally explain to me the CAI obsession with quotation marks. Either you think George is bitter or you don?.  If you think he is, then just say it, instead of trying to conceal it with inappropriate grammatical use. If you don? think he? bitter then don? use the word. Maybe you should use all that money you make on some English lessons.