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I have perceived a wholesale attack on mainstream science by members of TRF. In its place TRF would erect a "different" kind of science, "Creation Science". What has attacking science got to do with belief in the Christian Bible or its teachings? Why do so many people in TRF seem to "know" the supposed truth of the maxim "the Second Law of Thermodynamics proves that evolution can't have happened?" when they are neither experts on thermodynamics or evolution? ("The Second Law of Thermodynamics proves that evolution can't have happened" is a demonstrably FALSE proposition, as a little research into the postings at www.talkorigins.org will show.)What is the nature of this egregious and spirited attack on science. Any views, comments, etc? I invite vigorous -- but RATIONAL debate -- no "ad hominem" attacks, please.

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RF official teaching is for a day-age interpretaion of Ge 1,2 and regional flood interpretation of Noah's flood. Certainly doctrinairre "Creation Science" which holds to creation in 6 x 24 hrs and a world-wide flood is preached against. Individuals may hold differing opinions. I'm not proposing or defending any interpretation.

As regards attacks on mainstream science, that's more complicated. Certainly there are post-grads working in "science" who are committed RF members. Those who think deeper recognise that some high profile scientists are spokesmen for an athiestic logical-positivist world-view which conflicts with the teachings of all theists such as Christians, Jews and Moslems, conflicts with pantheism and poly-theism such as Hinduism and "new-age", and even conflicts with the deism of the 19th century. But RF teachers generally wouldn't tackle the philosophy behind this attack. (Yes, there are unfortunately some Luddites but my experience is that they're roughly in the same proportion here as the rest of society.) Mind you, a few of those I've heard preach on these matters are as well qualified as any secondary teacher and I've even attended a series of lectures by a (non-RF) former professor of biology who presented a non-evolutionary argument.

I'm not interested in debating this, but if you want further insight from a Christain perspecive I suggest you check the work of some Christian philosophers such as Ravi Zacharias and Norman Geissler. (No, "Christian philosopher" is not an oxymoron.) They have web presences, but I prefer reading their books. I've also come across some well presented stuff by Moslem apologists. Christian (and other theist) philosophers have some neat arguments that deal with the logical fallacies of ideas such as "logical positivism".

BTW I have a post graduate (Master's) degree in science, and in my opinion there is no conflict between truth and the Bible, but science can be (and these days usually is) defined in a way that excludes the supernatural. When that happens people can end up with a false dichotomy akin to saying that nuclear physics and poetry are at war with each other. (The proponents may be, but the fields of study are disparate.)

PS Look around the web and you'll find posts by people with equally impressive letters behind their names and peer-reviewed research who maintain that the God of the bible is the "source of the Force", despite varying ideas about how "the Force"works. (Well not exactly because "the Force" of Star Wars is more Buddhist than Biblical, but you get my drift.) Did you know that one of the two US professor who co-wrote "the book" on chemical evolution (in the 1950's I think) now supports the "intelligent design" movement?