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These last few months I have been reading and listening to the views of *N. T. Wright.
Wright's view of heaven differ to what the traditional Church's take is and what I have thought it to be.
The message of the Gospel shows us that heaven is not a place, up there, that we go to after death, I.e. it is not that we leave this earth behind and find ourselves relieved of the troubles this life contains (howbeit we do enter a state of “blissful rest” for a time) but heaven and earth will become one ("Thy kingdom come, here on earth as it is in Heaven") portrayed as a marriage and those that believe now will enter that kingdom.
The main theme of Wright's view is that heaven comes to us, not that we go to heaven. The promise is for those that have faith in the death and resurrection of Christ.
N.T. Wright has written many books highlighting where Churches have a misconception of a lot of what the bible is telling us and I recommend looking up his teachings.
It certainly has caused a “paradigm shift” and everything that he says, ties in with what is written in the bible.

*N.T. Wright. One of the world's leading Bible scholars, is the chair of New Testament and Early Christianity at the University of St. Andrews, an Anglican Bishop, and best selling author
https://www.amazon.com/N.-T.-Wright/e/B001H6NEG8

I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.

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As it is in heaven and on Earth, God's kingdom, when one receives the final salvation of eternity, that which is matching God's kingdom now, is ours to dwell in. If it is here on Earth, or some other Realm, are we free to move about? is our universe now, be our salvation travel destination holiday? If Wright is saying heaven comes to us, then I believe that, we did our time as Earthlings, God's plan will bring us into a better place, then thinking of our existence, to say we go up there to Heaven looking down has never been my view of eternal life, no one really knows, but heaven comes on us with out the pain suffering of the earthly life.

So I think heaven comes on us, with a mind set that as a human now, seems impossible, how does one love all other spirits in Gods Kingdom, such as you may love your wife kids now, There will be a change of mindset that only God can do, weather we physically move to a new Realm or we are based here on Earth, Christ Kingdom comes on us, we are engulfed in the heavenly love of pure thoughts, to live in some form of existence that we currently do not know.

That brings us to ask what form, we won't need air so no lungs, blood, heart kidney liver, stomach flesh bones, what's left when we take away all the support we Humans need now for our body to exist, just our thoughts are left with conscious, we know not where the conscious lives, never been seen when we dissect the brain, so it must belong to GOD, when we live with God in heaven, it may well be a virtual life, what's the need of a body, go any where imagine anything feel everything with out the flesh and blood, The Realm Of God comes on us.
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Neddles,

We read Jesus was bodily resurrected 3 days after his crucifixion and presented himself with a human body.

Thomas thought Jesus was just another man, until shown otherwise John 20:24-29. Also Luke 24:39; "Look at my hands and my feet, It is I myself! Touch me and see; “a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have”. And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

The book of Thessalonians tells us there will be a resurrection of the dead and those still alive will be changed, at Jesus second coming.

The body will be much the same image but changes will be had and not subjected to disease or poor health, even to death.

There is much from the bible we can conclude that those (believers in faith) will be resurrected and given a physical body and be glorified, as Christ after his resurrection and glorification.

There are many mysteries we don’t understand, but to assume this and that by our own thoughts and innuendos is easy to get side-tracked, to settle down with a half truth, or even to follow paths that ultimately lead down blind alleys.

Ralph.

I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.

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Title: N.T. Wright. Surprised by Hope
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Rank：Regular Rookier Score：5380 Posts：218 From：Australia Register：30/11/2010 9:39 PM	Date Posted：05/02/2018 12:43 PMCopy HTML These last few months I have been reading and listening to the views of N. T. Wright. Wright's view of heaven differ to what the traditional Church's take is and what I have thought it to be. The message of the Gospel shows us that heaven is not a place, up there, that we go to after death, I.e. it is not that we leave this earth behind and find ourselves relieved of the troubles this life contains (howbeit we do enter a state of “blissful rest” for a time) but heaven and earth will become one ("Thy kingdom come, here on earth as it is in Heaven") portrayed as a marriage and those that believe now will enter that kingdom. The main theme of Wright's view is that heaven comes to us, not that we go to heaven. The promise is for those that have faith in the death and resurrection of Christ. N.T. Wright has written many books highlighting where Churches have a misconception of a lot of what the bible is telling us and I recommend looking up his teachings. It certainly has caused a “paradigm shift” and everything that he says, ties in with what is written in the bible. N.T. Wright. One of the world's leading Bible scholars, is the chair of New Testament and Early Christianity at the University of St. Andrews, an Anglican Bishop, and best selling author https://www.amazon.com/N.-T.-Wright/e/B001H6NEG8 I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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Rank：Newbie Score：550 Posts：26 From：Australia Register：01/04/2012 12:24 AM	Re：N.T. Wright. Surprised by Hope Date Posted：13/02/2018 1:28 PMCopy HTML As it is in heaven and on Earth, God's kingdom, when one receives the final salvation of eternity, that which is matching God's kingdom now, is ours to dwell in. If it is here on Earth, or some other Realm, are we free to move about? is our universe now, be our salvation travel destination holiday? If Wright is saying heaven comes to us, then I believe that, we did our time as Earthlings, God's plan will bring us into a better place, then thinking of our existence, to say we go up there to Heaven looking down has never been my view of eternal life, no one really knows, but heaven comes on us with out the pain suffering of the earthly life. So I think heaven comes on us, with a mind set that as a human now, seems impossible, how does one love all other spirits in Gods Kingdom, such as you may love your wife kids now, There will be a change of mindset that only God can do, weather we physically move to a new Realm or we are based here on Earth, Christ Kingdom comes on us, we are engulfed in the heavenly love of pure thoughts, to live in some form of existence that we currently do not know. That brings us to ask what form, we won't need air so no lungs, blood, heart kidney liver, stomach flesh bones, what's left when we take away all the support we Humans need now for our body to exist, just our thoughts are left with conscious, we know not where the conscious lives, never been seen when we dissect the brain, so it must belong to GOD, when we live with God in heaven, it may well be a virtual life, what's the need of a body, go any where imagine anything feel everything with out the flesh and blood, The Realm Of God comes on us. Neddles Godspeed Apprentice Spirit searcher
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Rank：Regular Rookier Score：5380 Posts：218 From：Australia Register：30/11/2010 9:39 PM	Re：N.T. Wright. Surprised by Hope Date Posted：17/02/2018 11:15 AMCopy HTML Neddles, We read Jesus was bodily resurrected 3 days after his crucifixion and presented himself with a human body. Thomas thought Jesus was just another man, until shown otherwise John 20:24-29. Also Luke 24:39; "Look at my hands and my feet, It is I myself! Touch me and see; “a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have”. And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man. The book of Thessalonians tells us there will be a resurrection of the dead and those still alive will be changed, at Jesus second coming. The body will be much the same image but changes will be had and not subjected to disease or poor health, even to death. There is much from the bible we can conclude that those (believers in faith) will be resurrected and given a physical body and be glorified, as Christ after his resurrection and glorification. There are many mysteries we don’t understand, but to assume this and that by our own thoughts and innuendos is easy to get side-tracked, to settle down with a half truth, or even to follow paths that ultimately lead down blind alleys. Ralph. I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.