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To Moth, your are certainly gettiing soft "love franks Ghost" hmmmmmmActually i think the ghost title should stay as he dosent say to much at the moment let alone respond to pm?????lol

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Now earth, you know that when I need to speak I will. But let me say for the love I feel from Set Free and Moth and consider that I myself was about to find myself out in cyber wilderness only weeks ago like GWM, for making unfounded comments about a tardy threesome.

What the hell has happened? just because I've learned to put my words in some sort of considered thought patterns, I get you guys going a bit gooooey.

Have you forgotten I'm a tongue speaking, card carrying member of the RF. My hands firmly by my side in chorus sessions. In fact Today we sang "Oh for a Thousand Tongues". Whoa!!!!! (Didn't say I like it)

On another subject.

I sat with a brother from Gosford today (he came here to T for a visit) and showed him how to acces the forum. I walked him through and gave him a brief on all you guys, yep all.. so we may get a visit from another undergoing "open heart surgery".  Of which There's plenty.

Earth one of the reasons I have not had as much to say is because I am seeing massive change around the work. Steve's done his thing and is moving on. BB is going for it. Sunny Coast, Tmba, Bris. are really asking the right questions. My recent visit to Canberra opened up a some great opportunity, tomorrow I'm going to the Gold Coast to pray with my younger brother who bought me to this fellowship 26 yrs ago. They are struggling down there, there is need of a wake up. There's been a deep sleep for years.

Earth when I came to the forum I went BLa bla bla, yabba, yabba, yabba. I now know that plenty of RF people are looking at the site. The organisation if it doesn't wake up will lose it's candlestick, thats if it hasn't already. (I'm sure many will say that, I've gotta be joking-of course it has!!!)  But I want to say that I do not want to dissadvantage good people who are waking up in various places with dumb comments, naming names and places. Just as I've done in this post.

If you guys pray for the people in the organisation, I'll keep you posted on the changes, it's happening.

So for now the ghost will stay. However will some please show me how to improve my Avatar.

Gods richest blessing on you all.

Thanks my friend, sorry I just found your email- haven't logged on for a day. I've replied in full.  I covet all your prayers.  I'm going in hard.

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Hey FG,  I will be praying for abundant blessings for you and in particular those still in RF that are being woken up.  God is revealing much to those that have open hearts and want to follow Him.  I just heard an awesome talk about  "Reason versus Revelation" and it is this revelation that is happening all around our nation at the moment.  We are getting the ' wake-up call'  LOUD & CLEAR ! (if you want a CD of the talk, I have a spare, email me & I'll post it to you)

11Timothy 3:16 ALL scripture is given by the inspiration of God.  God's inspired word is revealed to us.          (' Reveal '  means to ' unveil ')  I have been wondering, has the RF hidden the word of God under a veil? And is it now being revealed (unveiled) by the Holy Spirit? WHY this sudden outpouring of the Holy Spirit? 

For me, I just accept it and accept it gladly. I am so grateful that I woke up when I did - I would hate to be found sleeping (lukewarm) when Jesus returns for His church!

FG, go for it hard, press in and God will reveal all that He has to !!

God bless, Urchin

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Reply to : franks ghostGood morning, Frank.I noticed you inferred thatgoodthings were

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Thats fine SOTT. I myself will be keeping an eye out for the fruit.

I guess if we are under a curse then it will be all in vain. (I'll keep you all informed).

As our recent GWM found out, the word that tells us John 5:39 "Search the sciptures for in them you think you have eternal life and they are they which testify of me".

As GMW dicovered the forum holds a dim view of obsessevly quoteing verse after verse and putting your own spin on it. (no thats not a back hander to you, I think anyway....).

So if I may been humoured for a time lets just see how it unfolds.

I'll see if I can be directed by the Holy Ghost to discover a little more of the one the scripture speaks of, and get Frank to take a back seat. So far the journey has been both enlightening and humbling.

Heart open, enlightenment, healing, I wonder what else is in store. Maybe sufficient revelation to want to spend moe time going over things with you one day. Who knows? anything is possible as truth is revealed.

Doesn't seem like a life under curse anyway time will tell.

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Reply to : MothandRustReply to : franks ghostHave you forgotten I'm a tongue speaking, card carrying member of the RF. My hands firmly by my side in chorus sessions. In fact Today we sang "Oh for aMoth I think the loooove is growing , thanks for the avatar advise. Now I'm starting to scare myself.Is this a sign a cyborg is becoming a little to human, i didn't think we were supposed to feel love and fear.

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Hi FG, I love your avatar - it's always good to see photos of friends LOL!!!

Here's one of me  (one of my better shots)

Hang in there FG, I believe God has a plan and He will reveal ALL that He has to to those that He chooses!

Urchin

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Reply to : BrolgaGood morning, Brolga.May I ask S1, is this the same conclusion you come to when you consider the ways of the other mainline churches, Anglican, Catholic,etc.,?Well, here's the interesting thing: the 'mainline' churches (including the two that you mentioned above)haven'tgotten the gospel wrong. Whilst they certainly do have their own denominational 'quirks', theyhaven'tchucked out the biblical gospel message in preference for their own unique andalternateclaims (a la the Revivalists).I may be wrong, but referring to your postings on other threads, suggesting one should check-out these churches in looking for enlightenment etc., there seemed to be an air of approval about them coming from you. (Enpowerment topic 16/03/2007, for one).You're not wrong. Ididrecommend people ch

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Fascinating stuff SOTT1.  My head just swirls with responses when I read your stuff.

So if nothing else be assured I read it.

Where on earth do you fellowship with this belief system of yours.? Oh boy I feel like a philistine when I read about doctrinallly lazy Revers.

Then I head of into my closet pray in my unauthentic tongue, open up dialogue with my invisible friend, then head off to the wider world and spruke my accursed gospel to the uninformed and on it goes...................

Whoa.

I'm starting to melt down, all these personal thoughts ..........ninja, with death kick.........male model...........intellectual.........theologian..........spirit filled brother..............aaaaaaaahhhhh.

Who is this masked man?- talk about Captain Marvel, Captain Sott1, Super Sott1, do you have a sidekick.

Now there, I take on a new avatar and suddenly I start thinking I can take on Spider Sott1.

Oh this is just getting silly isn't it? (Holborn quick sober me up send something) , fancing all this stuff and not a verse to be seen (lazy, decieved rever i am).

What thread am I on any way , sorry to the person who set the topic. I'm outa here I way past my morning coffee (long black with cream on side) for those who care (Earth, Nahum anyone,can anyone truely love such a ignorant neanderthal).

Oh MOth this feels good, I just wish I watched a few more TV & Vids that I could be more clever in my diatribe.

Yibbidah Yibbidah Yibbidah that's all folks

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Oh this is just getting silly isn't it? (Holborn quick sober me up send something) , fancing all this stuff and not a verse to be seen (lazy, decieved rever i am). What thread am I on any way , sorry to the person who set the topic. I'm outa here I way past my morning coffee (long black with cream on side) for those who care (Earth, Nahum anyone,can anyone truely love such a ignorant neanderthal). Oh MOth this feels good, I just wish I watched a few more TV & Vids that I could be more clever in my diatribe.

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HEY Frankie, steady old son!  Go have a coffee and chill out. Sometimes you just have to ignore the posts that you don't agree with, if you know what I mean.  I KNOW you're on an exciting journey but maybe  (?) some people on the forum feel that cos (in theory) you still go to RF, they have the right to 'pick' on you or maybe they see you, or who they think you represent, as a reminder of what they left . NOT WHAT I THINK of course! 

You are not an ignorant neanderthal, you are not a lazy deceived rever. 

You are a wonderful person on whom the Spirit is moving, as you seek answers from God. (if you were a lazy deceived rever you wouldn't be looking past the 1-2-3 or even coming on this forum)

Anyway, what would I know , I is just a simple little sea urchin floating around the forum!  Hang in there matey!

God bless, Urchin

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Reply to : Sea UrchinHi, SU.There'sheapsof things that Christians are perfectly free to agree to disagree on (how communion is undertaken, whether baptism must be by immersion, etc). Theology refers to these asadiaphora. There's a selectfewissues, however, about which we're not so free in the holding of personal opinion. What it is that comprises theChristian gospelis just one such topic.Now old Frankie ismorethan happy to talk around the stuff that isn't all that important (theadiaphora), but he refusespoint-blankto enter into discussions that would address the Revivalistmisconceptionof the gospel. And it's this particular subject that sets his fellowship apart from historic and orthodox Christianity.If it's THE gospel which is the message that leads to salvation, then we do FAL

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SOTT1, I'm not here to speak for Frank, however I can and do speak for myself. 

I left RF 3 months ago, not because of bitterness or unhappiness particularly (well, I wasn't happy with a lot of things being said) but because of  REVELATION.

And so because of 'REVELATION'  not  'reason', I can see very clearly that the old RFdoctrine was wrong.  To say that one 'must speak in tongues to be saved' is of course incorrect ! ( funny how I couldn't 'see' that 3 months ago though ? )  To select one of the gifts of the spirit (tongues) and set a whole salvation doctrine around it and read INTO the scriptures what supports that doctrine is certainly a false gospel. However, given that it wasn't until I 'left' that I could see that, maybe others are in that same position. 

To quote something said in church recently - We need to stay in the place of revelation - launch into the deep of revelation NOT the lies of reason. It is Satan's desire for us to stay in 'reason' not revelation!

Give Frank time to have the 'revelation' - he is getting there!!  He needs our love and support through this - not our condemnation 'a la RF style'.

Love in Christ, Sea Urchin

And so because of 'REVELATION'  not  'reason', I can see very clearly that the old RFdoctrine was wrong.  To say that one 'must speak in tongues to be saved' is of course incorrect ! ( funny how I couldn't 'see' that 3 months ago though ? )  To select one of the gifts of the spirit (tongues) and set a whole salvation doctrine around it and read INTO the scriptures what supports that doctrine is certainly a false gospel. However, given that it wasn't until I 'left' that I could see that, maybe others are in that same position. 

Aint it the truth Sea Urchin, it was certainly by Revelation for me and my wife

PS Franks G is cool had a chat this arvo he did the post tounge in cheek, so much happening with him and through him at the moment, keep him in your prayers for God to use where he is going on the journey as he is affecting a lot of people in the revers at the moment up the east coast and its all good and exciting.

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Reply to : Sea UrchinHi, SU.I agree with most of what you said. However, Scripture is alsoquite plainwhen it comes to the confronting ofheresyand the importance of doing so.--I've just decided now to tackle this response in a slightly different way, hence this change--SU, what Franksupports(and he does) and preaches (and he does) ispoison. Itkills peoplespiritually, and I for one am not the sort of person who is going to sit by and 'spit' on a 'fire' when what is really required is a very large hoseFurther, I'd suggest that you ask Frank if he'smore than happyto stay in the Toowoomba RF. I'm quite confident that he has

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Hi SU & Sott1, No need to ask, I'll happily tell you, I love my fellowship in Toowoomba & if ever you get a chance to come here then you will understand why. Oh yes I am getting a pretty clear picture of you now Ian.

Further to the conversation re revelation, my revelation has very little to do with tongues. Although praying with tongues and understaning support the process.

i find myself sitting in the middle and agreeing with both sea urchin and scott1

when i left it was because i was desperatly unhappy, i knew there were things wrong with the curch but never questiond the doctrine, i had been speaking in toungs since i was 5 and never knew anything else but the church, as well as the deeply ingraned contempt for catholics and suspission of other churches (children realy are like sponges and can absorb attitudes not just what is told to them)

i never looked for annother church but belived god would show me his will, haveing a close friend become a christian and invite me to her church seemed like god throwing me a rope. i went along and found a freedom i had never felt in my life.

it took much longer for me to let go of the lies i had learnt than it did to get the nerve to leave. (still find it amusing the way my parents reacted when i told them about the church id been going to, my dad insisted on going to a meeting an check it out- make sure i haddnt joind a cult!! 10 yrs later they still attend there)

i find myself still finding bits of rever theoligy sticking to me and having to let it go (always a liberating experience)

FG will probably never accept the problem with thr revival thoungs heresy untill he does.

and scott1 is right, knowing the truth how can he keep silent? he is also right that FG doesnt want to leave the rf he is happy where he is

but was i unsaved when i belived that my speaking in toungs was the sign?? if that is so how come i have felt god in my life all my life?

scott since you know the way you are going about getting frank to see the truth isnt working- have you thought about finding annother approch? for me reading your please concider website helped me hugly BUT i was looking for answers, i went already knowing there was something wrongand neededing not an oppinion but scriptures to show me the truth, i might not have been as receptive if i still belived in the revival ci/f

sea urchin sees frank on a journy and loves hearing what god is doing in his life (acctualy i think she loves hearing what god does in everyones life- and should spend some time talking to my sister they would both get alot out of it)

keeping with that annalogy- frank is on a journy, part of it was to come on this forum, only god knows where it will end but since i know we have all seen changes in frank i hope it ends with frank living in the truth and spending eternity with god

where i am on my journy is probably much harder to define

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but was i unsaved when i belived that my speaking in toungs was the sign?? if that is so how come i have felt god in my life all my life?  scott since you know the way you are going about getting frank to see the truth isnt working- have you thought about finding annother approch? for me reading your please concider website helped me hugly BUT i was looking for answers, i went already knowing there was something wrongand neededing not an oppinion but scriptures to show me the truth, i might not have been as receptive if i still belived in the revival ci/f. sea urchin sees frank on a journy and loves hearing what god is doing in his life (acctualy i think she loves hearing what god does in everyones life- and should spend some time talking to my sister they would both get alot out of it). Keeping with that annalogy- frank is on a journy, part of it was to come on this forum, only god knows where it will end but since i know we have all seen changes in frank i hope it ends with frank living in the truth and spending eternity with god.   where i am on my journy is probably much harder to define

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Hi Break Free (LOVE that name)

but was i unsaved when i belived that my speaking in toungs was the sign??

Not being a scholar like SOTT1, I can only explain things in a simple (sea urchin) kind of way.  I don't believe that God (who knows all things) would not save us even if we believed that "speaking in tongues was the sign'" at some stage of our walks.  We really only believed what we were taught and accepted as being the truth after all.  Let me state that I do not believe that speaking in tongues is a salvation issue at all.  However, I do pray in tongues and love it, but when I praise God in English I KNOW what I am saying and I KNOW that I am worshipping my God and Saviour Jesus Christ with all my heart and soul.

You are quite right Break Free, I absolutely LOVE hearing where people are at in their journeys and I also LOVE talking about where I'm at.   I love the fact that this is a non-judgemental forum (well, it's meant to be anyway!) where everyone can speak what's on their minds without fear of judgement - unlike the old RF days. Once we start judging we go back to our 'old ways' of what we were taught to do in RF (anyone/everyone who believed differently to RF was WRONG!!) 

I agree with what SOTT is saying about tongues not being the sign of salvation - there is NO scripture to support this and in fact there is plenty of scripture to support the fact that we are SAVED BY THE GRACE OF GOD. I believe that our personal relationship with Jesus Christ, our belief in His life, death and resurrection and the fact that we have GOD in our hearts is what determines our salvation. Not sure whether SOTT will agree or disagree with this and I'm darn sure he'll turn it into a 1,000 word essay (please go easy on me SOTTI, LOL) but this is what I believe to be true.  It has only been 3 months since I left RF but I feel that I have grown (spiritually) heaps since that time and as I continue my walk I am confident that I will continue to grow and learn from reading God's word for myself.  

I respect where Frank is on his journey and will continue to pray for him as well as for all those at Toowoomba RF & along the east coast. I understand what he says about it being different there as I know of other RF assemblies that also operate in a slightly more 'spirit-led' way that the norm. I have confidence that FG will come to full revelation in his & GOD'S time without us hassling him!

Love to all in Christ's name, Sea Urchin

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Reply to : SOTT1Reply to : BrolgaGood morning, Brolga.May I ask S1, is this the same conclusion you come to when you consider the ways of the other mainline churches, Anglican, Catholic,etc.,?Well, here's the interesting thing: the 'mainline' churches (including the two that you mentioned above)haven'tgotten the gospel wrong. Whilst they certainly do have their own denominational 'quirks', theyhaven'tchucked out the biblical gospel message in preference for their own unique andalternateclaims (a la the Revivalists).I may be wrong, but referring to your postings on other threads, suggesting one should check-out these churches in looking for enlightenment etc., there seemed to be an air of approval about them coming from you. (Enpowerment topic 16/03/2007, for one).You're not wrong. Ididrecommend people ch

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Hey Frank, when you come my way I will take you out for coffee just how you like it!!! Hold me to it.

Looking forward to meeting you, and having a down to earth chat. Very hard to do that with SOTT1 around.

SOTT1, do you think you have ALL the answers??? What about Homosexual ministers in the churches you say we should visit? Just to start with.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, shoot me down, call me a judge whatever. I could not care less. At the moment I would probably swap a day of my life for a week of ANY of yours! If I have EVER given the impression that I am better than anyone - tell me. And NO, I don't think I am better than the gay priest down the street, but you can't rebuke RF members and pastors and say the rest are fine.

as I love to tell people - WE ARE ALL WRONG!!!!!

Oh SOTT1, your the exception to swapping a day for a week. My brain would get very bored putting up with your lack of reality for a day. It's not your fault that you are so "informed"! Oh yeah, I extend that "we are all wrong" to you aswell. I hope you are "meek" enough to accept this! 

Frank's theological opinions, when matters boil right down to basics, aren't that far removed from 'GWMs'; Frank simply comes across as being a little more personable

Personable how nice, I guess that sounds better than deceived, cursed.

And the issues that I've been seeking to raise with Frank have eternal consequences, irrespective of whether he (or others) are prepared to consider matters through to their eventual conclusions.

I have a suggestion for you Ian how about renaming 'Please Consider'

How about ' Salavation acccording to Sott1' or 'Either, believe this or Burn in Hell" or 'Sott's Way' I could go on but it gets a bit boring when you are as wittless as me. 

Give me a break - PLEASE CONSIDER are you joking, I read accepted your gentle offer to read, I am considering.

But mate you want to speak about GWM being full on.  Actually if I stand corrected you didn't think GWM was so bad, you were happy to have him around so you has someone to play with.

To those that are messaging me and asking that I stop and ignore Sott1 so we can get away from this stuff, I'm sorry. But this last one needed some sort of response.

PLEASE CONSIDER,       GIVE IT A REST.

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Reply to : BrolgaHi, Brolga.I was brought up in the Church of England and in early teens, started asking questions about Holy Ghost and what God was all about. I never could get any satisfactory answers, because I found the so called ministers of religion never had the answer themselves. They could only give opinions what it might be about, not once referred to the scriptures. How could they not have the gospel wrong when they never had it from the start?I can't speak for theindividual ministersthat you encountered in the CofE of your youth. My comments were directed at what the Anglican Church appeals to as official doctrine, and the 'thirty-nine articles' are pretty cut-and-dried by my estimation.From the Bible, I've never come across any instruction on reciting creeds or to celebrate Lent etc as they do. At least when I was i

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Not that you need it, but FWIW I agree with all you say and you have my  full support , I find your teaching always imformative,  and well researched, and the kind of teaching I am now hearing from the leadership in the church I now attend. When Frank first appeared on here I accused him of being a Revival apologist, who thought that changing the wrappings could make the REv, package respectable. Since then, despite many claims to be on a journey of enlightenment, I see nothing in his postings to change my original view, and along the way, he seems to have attracted an admiring circle of ex rev  revivalists, who encourage him.

Until he and others ,understand , and repent of preaching another gospel, they must expect to be brought to task on this  site, which as I understand it, was set up for all who have been hurt, and many who have been traumatised by their expierences in the cult that he is still an active member of.  Introducing new music, relaxing the control a little, changing the name even, wont mean a thing unless the doctrine of exclusivity, of supeirority of tongue speakers, and the ridiculous claim that tongues is the evidence of salvation, is abandonned.

Attacking the differences  of  approach to worship, and rubbishing everyone who does'nt follow religeously a supposed scriptural pattern adopted fairly recently in the history of Christianity, is surely a hallmark of Revivalism, which we would do well to erase from our mindsets, along with much of the other rubbish we aquired in our time among Franks brainwashed  flock. If I thought there was the least chance of Frank leading an Exodus into the freedom of the grace of God gospel, I would back him all the way, but saddly, I dont see it happening, just more of the same in bright new wrapping.

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Attacking the differences  of  approach to worship, and rubbishing everyone who does'nt follow religeously a supposed scriptural pattern adopted fairly recently in the history of Christianity, is surely a hallmark of Revivalism, which we would do well to erase from our mindsets, along with much of the other rubbish we aquired in our time among Franks brainwashed  flock. If I thought there was the least chance of Frank leading an Exodus into the freedom of the grace of God gospel, I would back him all the way, but saddly, I dont see it happening, just more of the same in bright new wrapping.

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I know what you're saying Old H, and I agree on many levels.

I watched an episode of 'LIttle House on the Prairie' last week' (yes... and I listen to Enya sometimes.. sigh...) Anyway, in the episode "the Racoon", Laura befriends a tame racoon but pa won't let her keep it in the house because it's a wild animal. He gives in though and lets the racoon hang around, even though he knows that it can't really be tamed. When Laura is bitten by the racoon the threat of rabies looms etc.

This is really stupid but I see Frank as the racoon... He must be getting sick of being analysed and talked about, I"m sure - he's a great conversation point.. And I'm not saying he has rabies, but I am saying that for the time being, he is a racoon (so to speak) and we've let him in. He's not biting anyone much... but he has been taking some snips at anyone who comes too close.

When I started looking at this forum I was in the throes of leaving revival, and eventually did. When I started posting on the site after leaving the organisation, I still very very open to the tongues message but hoped my doubts about it could lead me somewhere. Changing that mindset and disassociating the tonguetrap from salvation was part Revelation, part epiphany and part reason...  With the help of Ian's and other websites I was able to come to my own conclusions. Frank may work that out and even if he starts playing with the idea then I don't envy the can of worms it will open up for him. Jumping down the rabbit hole means re-evaluating the whole universe, and struggling with sanity (well for me it was). Working out what to do after that is another huge step...

I think Frank is restless atm... he suspects there's more that Revival. He just doesn't want to go through the pain of change - it's much easier to hope change will come to him nice and easy... but change doesn't couple with 'easy' and I can relate. You can only take one step at at time and you can only take it from where you currently stand. I agree he's going to have to go through the millstone here sooner or later and see if his doctrine holds up.. if he's going to continue as a regular here. But for me Frank is just a dude, not really much different to other dudes... he's a dude in a little church, who subscribes to the possibility that his beliefs may be flawed when reflected from the bible. That (if that is true) in itself is something.

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Reply to : old holbornAttacking the differences of approach to worship, and rubbishing everyone who does'nt follow religeously a supposed scriptural pattern adopted fairly recently in the history of Christianity, is surely a hallmark of Revivalism, which we would do well to erase from our mindsets, along with much of the other rubbish we aquired in our time among Franks brainwashed flock. If I thought there was the least chance of Frank leading an Exodus into the freedom of the grace of God gospel, I would back him all the way, but saddly, I dont see it happening, just more of the same in bright new wrapping.I know what you're saying Old H, and I agree on many levels.I watched an episode of'LIttle House on the Prairie' last week'(ye

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Joshua

There's a book called "Joshua" about the idea that Jesus came back today for a stroll around the earth. It's a fictional 'what-if' story and a best selling series of novels and dvd that you can find at any local christian store. It has him visiting all sort of churches; anywhere that praises his father's name. The interactions he has with the Catholic priests in one town was particularly itneresting... he then goes to the Vatican to see the pope and has a bit of a talking to to him. It's a very nice movie and it really changed my attitiude towards Catholics.

Stars Tony Goldwyn and F.Murray Abraham

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Sobering comments, I'll see if I can contiue to unwrap.

Easter should be fun, I'll us eit as a training ground.

Heb:12 ;29 The God I worship is still a consuming fire, If I'm in error he's the one I'll seek for revelation, it's never been any different.

The forum is a fascinating place as we speak out of the ubundance of or little hearts, how many after all would ever use such a medium. So with varying intelects we do the best we can, putting ourselves out to dry, ettempting to develop thoughts and ideas , exposing them to this little world of diverse people. Knowing full well that each thought is being made available to be weighed, judged, annilized etc etc. Where else do we ever let such a thing happen, families, churches maybe. It's pretty gutsy stuff to hang around the same place for a while even a few years know your past words are how you are seen.

So with words I say happy Passover.

Why is it I'm humming the tune of Rocky Raccoon, did someone say racoon.

Thanks for the PM's & one and all for your comments. I'm sure many are all sick of seeing FG being the centre of attention for so long.

I love a bit of attention seeking but I'm not sure that this quite what I had in mind, never the less lets us press on.

May God continue to bless each of us, keep safe over the break if you are having one.

Bye from a little card carrying RF (Racoon Friend)

 

Have a good Easter

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Sorry Sott

i cant agree with your view on the catholic church as being O.K. to check out. I am not sure on whether or not that they claim that Mary is a co mediatrix with jesus or not. But i only know what i was taught many years ago.

This not to pray to Jesus but to pray to Mary for what you wanted and she would expose her breasts ( Sorry ladies ) to Jesus with your petition and that as he was her son he could not refuse her and so he would grant the request.   Another one is that after Mary died she was resurrected on the third day into heaven.      How about the Pope being God on earth.      I could list DOZENS OF OTHER HERESIES such as this one all taught to me in my early years, but i cant be bothered

So dont really care whether or not official Catholic doctrine does or dosent say that Mary is a co mediatrix with Jesus or not.   I think its dangerous to suggest that its o.k. to check it out.

Chris7

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Heb:12 ;29 The God I worship is still a consuming fire, If I'm in error he's the one I'll seek for revelation, it's never been any different.

It's funny, but you don't really believe that at all.

Like I said in another spot today, we're judged by our words all the time (by every word) and much of the time I hear my words and they tyhey are sloppy. If there is one thing I do agree I've been lazy in the word of God. So as 'iron sharpens iron' some of you are assisting. I'll press in a little harder.

I think it was Paul who said "you have many teachers but not many fathers". As far as what I truely believe Sott1, you might be many things to this forum, but a father to me you are not. As for teaching I'm sure I had some teachers like you at school, in fact there's been a few pass through my life over 50 years.

I do not have your grasp of Greek or for that matter language, however I feel (yes feel) many things that I would never bring to you or this forum, especially you. The safety factor is just not there. You are what you are, however one of those things you are not is a mind reader, nor will you know my heart.

Even as I read what I'm writing now I do so with knowledge that it will probably be re-posted, highlighted and pulled appart, so be it.

Like I said,  Your offer is to 'Please Consider '    not   'Please Agree'.

Of course there is more I could say, but that will do for now. Rocky needs a rest from the brain drain.

 

still holding up his hands in horror when told of the many bad bites we have recieved from his brother raccoons

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Now Mr Holborn, I think that you had better go back over my postings to see that that is true. I may be many things to this forum but hands in horror at abuse is not one of them.

Sorry friend you don't have to a mind reader to know what I'm up to, it's all over the forum.

Sott

I was taught by priests of the order of St Vincent De Paul.   In fact all of the teachers at my school were priests.

If the things that i mentioned were wrong teaching or not i dont know    but this i do know that it was not born of any of my misunderstanding....  In my Catholic missal ( which i discarded years ago )that  it stated that mary acended into heaven on the third day after her death and it also showed Peter ( named ) and thwo or three others.....cant quite remember .....with their arms raised toward her in veneration as she ascended into heaven

At my confirmation when i was 8 years old the bishop said that i had received the holy spirit along with the other 15 or so   DONT THINK SO just because he said so.     What about the sacrament of transubstantiation ( for those of you who have never heard of the term ) that the bread and wine at communion actually turns into the actual body and blood of Jesus.

It was a mortal sin ( which means going to Hell if you have one on your soulwhen you die ) if one didnt go the church on any Sunday or any other of the "holy days of obligation" of which one fell on my birthday. All Catholic schools had holy days of obligation off   So if there was any good thing i never once in my school life went to school on all saints day !!!  The only way to get the mortal sin removed was to go to confession in front of the priest and confess the mortal sin any whilst you were at it you could confess ant venial (pardonable) sins that you may have.  Pennance was a number of Hail Mary,s and a few Our Fathers.

It was clearly stated that the pope was claimed to be God on earth      no misunderstanding there.    No of course Peter never claimed that title, (i didnt say he did ).  In any case didnt Peter say to Cornelius in Acts chapter 10 verses 25 and 26 "and as Peter was coming in Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshipped him. But Peter took him up saying "stand i myself also am a man"   Even if what i had drummed into me as a lad is not what is taught now, How do they cope with the veneration of the Pope now who reaches his hand out to be kissed now. 

I was amazed to think that someone thought i was sprouting Revivalist teaching    Tthe things that i learned about the Catholic church were many years ago.   They were grooming me to be a priest.

I AM NOT A REVIVALIST     repeat      I AM NOT A REVIVALIST    SORRY Sott and Brolga

I will not address this topic any more because there is no fruit in it     Sott you wont get another reply out of me even though i know that you will reply to my post.

What,s written so far on any of the threads on this site is from personal experiences of mainly ex revival centre people and i believe what they say       whoever reads this post can choose to believe what i say or not

Chris7

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Reply to : old holbornstill holding up his hands in horror when told of the many bad bites we have recieved from his brother raccoonsNow Mr Holborn, I think that you had better go back over my postings to see that that is true. I may be many things to this forum but hands in horror at abuse is not one of them.Sorry friend you don't have to a mind reader to know what I'm up to, it's all over the forum.

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Well Frank I did'nt need to go back too far to find, and I quote :-

08/03/07  09;15;55 AM

" do yourself a favour check this site out, how many hurt, wounded and abused saints do you see. Are they all malcontents? Are they all trouble makers? .....................

.....................Hey, I havent been hurt, but my shepherds heart is breaking at the CARNAGE here" Unquote

I guess I could find others if I had the time,  You were acknowledging  the hurt and abuse, and expressing sorrow. Holding up hands in horror? Thats just an expression I used, but I think it fits the case. I have acnowledged that you have a zeal, and a heart for God, I just pray that you like Saul, will be converted soon from this RF error over tongues/salvation.and  continue to use your zeal to bring lost sheep into the saving  grace of our  Lord  Jesus. 

,I hope you too have a happy Easter.

God bless.

OH

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SU, what Frank supports (and he does) and preaches (and he does) is poison. It kills people spiritually, and I for one am not the sort of person who is going to sit by and 'spit' on a 'fire' when what is really required is a very large hose

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Did this poison kill you spiritually SOTT1? I wouldn't use a large hose or spit on a fire which God 'may have' started.

Frank is, like almost everyone on here (there are a few exceptions, SOTT1 seems like he has arrived), on a journey. I am learning heaps on here to and am challenged continually but my relationship with Jesus is not based on how fast I can type (which I am starting to impress myself with, using more than 2 fingers nowadays), or how intellectual I try and sound, or becoming a "Ghost in the machine", but by spending time with HIM in the "closet" so HE can reward me openly! I will continue to say we are all wrong and each of us carries poison which we do use from time to time, but it doesn't have to kill us! Mark 16 says we can drink any deadly thing and it will not hurt us. Also mentions casting out devils, taking up serpents, laying hands on the sick and one other which escapes at present. LOL

By the way, I would love to be a "ghost in the machine" even if just for my ego. Ha Ha

Happy Easter everyone, have a great BBQ on friday with the catholics!!!

Nahum you are so naughty!!!!

I like what you say and in eccence agree, however it must be said that this is an open forum and all including sott1 are allowed to post there view, you or may not agree with everything said, thats cool we dont have to. We just get on with our own walk and relationship with God and yea buddy the prayer closet is a great place,(note to self you really must do this more).

Hope that you get to catch up with the ones you intend to this weekend I know it will be good for you to see this person/s and let them minister to you,(hope thats not to vauge)  let me know how it all goes my friend, hang in there buddy day by day here alittle there a little

earth5

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Reply to : SOTT1SU, what Franksupports(and he does) and preaches (and he does) ispoison. Itkills peoplespiritually, and I for one am not the sort of person who is going to sit by and 'spit' on a 'fire' when what is really required is a very large hoseDid this poison kill you spiritually SOTT1? I wouldn't use a large hose or spit on a fire which God 'may have' started.Frank is, like almost everyone on here (there are a few exceptions, SOTT1 seems like he has arrived), on a journey. I am learning heaps on here to and am challenged continually but my relationship with Jesus is not based on how fast I can type (which I am starting to impress myself with, using more than 2 fingers nowadays), or how intellectual I try and sound, or becoming

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I'm not sure if we're all wrong, but I can understand where you're coming from. I'm sure we're all wrong about something but not completely wrong about everything. Some of us are more wrong than others but it would be wrong to say that others are wrong because we hope they all are. I think you hope we're all wrong because then we'll all stand there on the last day of our life in the same row with all the other wrong people.

For example, it's right I think to say that Ian thinks wrongly about some things, but it isn't right to say he's completely wrong. As a serious student of the bible he is very much more right than someone like me but hopefully he realises he could be better. I'm sure he does. As an agnostic passive atheist with borderline Universalist tendencies, I am considerably right, but wrong in the eyes of another... but not acturally wrong in my own eyes. I'm sure Ian admits there's always more to learn. Now see as a Revivalist, Frank is not wrong, but as a student of the bible he is very wrong. Hopefully in time he can be more right. People like GWM won't accept that they could be wrong and that makes them the most incorrect of all... and that's just not right.

We all do have toxic poison beliefs from each other's point of view. GWM's was toxic to me... my disbelief was toxic to him perhaps. scriptures don't really work on me because I don't believe they've been fully inspired by god. So private messaging me won't get you anywhere...that's just harrassment still and a violation of the inspired books he quotes from. I found the ignore button under the private message box, so I won't have to read his prattling on crap anymore... like talking to a drunken wookie.

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Reply to : SOTT1SU, what Franksupports(and he does) and preaches (and he does) ispoison. Itkills peoplespiritually, and I for one am not the sort of person who is going to sit by and 'spit' on a 'fire' when what is really required is a very large hoseDid this poison kill you spiritually SOTT1? I wouldn't use a large hose or spit on a fire which God 'may have' started.Frank is, like almost everyone on here (there are a few exceptions, SOTT1 seems like he has arrived), on a journey. I am learning heaps on here to and am challenged continually but my relationship with Jesus is not based on how fast I can type (which I am starting to impress myself with, using more than 2 fingers nowadays), or how intellectual I try and sound, or becoming

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I'm not sure if we're all wrong, but I can understand where you're coming from. I'm sure we're all wrong about something but not completely wrong about everything. Some of us are more wrong than others but it would be wrong to say that others are wrong because we hope they all are. I think you hope we're all wrong because then we'll all stand there on the last day of our life in the same row with all the other wrong people.

For example, it's right I think to say that Ian thinks wrongly about some things, but it isn't right to say he's completely wrong. As a serious student of the bible he is very much more right than someone like me but hopefully he realises he could be better. I'm sure he does. As an agnostic passive atheist with borderline Universalist tendencies, I am considerably right, but wrong in the eyes of another... but not acturally wrong in my own eyes. I'm sure Ian admits there's always more to learn. Now see as a Revivalist, Frank is not wrong, but as a student of the bible he is very wrong. Hopefully in time he can be more right. People like GWM won't accept that they could be wrong and that makes them the most incorrect of all... and that's just not right.

We all do have toxic poison beliefs from each other's point of view. GWM's was toxic to me... my disbelief was toxic to him perhaps. scriptures don't really work on me because I don't believe they've been fully inspired by god. So private messaging me won't get you anywhere...that's just harrassment still and a violation of the inspired books he quotes from. I found the ignore button under the private message box, so I won't have to read his prattling on crap anymore... like talking to a drunken wookie.

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Reply to : Nahum 1v7Reply to : SOTT1SU, what Franksupports(and he does) and preaches (and he does) ispoison. Itkills peoplespiritually, and I for one am not the sort of person who is going to sit by and 'spit' on a 'fire' when what is really required is a very large hoseDid this poison kill you spiritually SOTT1? I wouldn't use a large hose or spit on a fire which God 'may have' started.Frank is, like almost everyone on here (there are a few exceptions, SOTT1 seems like he has arrived), on a journey. I am learning heaps on here to and am challenged continually but my relationship with Jesus is not based on how fast I can type (which I am starting to impress myself with, using more than 2 fingers nowadays), or how intellectual I try and sound, or becomingI'm not sure if

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Reply to : franks ghostReply to : old holbornstill holding up his hands in horror when told of the many bad bites we have recieved from his brother raccoonsNow Mr Holborn, I think that you had better go back over my postings to see that that is true. I may be many things to this forum but hands in horror at abuse is not one of them.Sorry friend you don't have to a mind reader to know what I'm up to, it's all over the forum.Well Frank I did'nt need to go back too far to find, and I quote :-08/03/07 09;15;55 AM" do yourself a favour check this site out, how many hurt, wounded and abused saints do you see. Are they all malcontents? Are they all trouble makers? .....................................

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Reply to : Nahum 1v7'morning, Nahum.Interesting postI guess I can sum up my POV this waypinions are like backsides--everybody has one. But here's the caveat:not allopinions are equally as informed, consequently,not allopinions are equal. Perhaps an illustration is in order. When I'm feeling ill, I could ask my mate who has done a basic first aid course what he reckons is wrong with me, and he might give me his opinion. I could then ask my mate who is a medical doctor what he reckons is wrong, and listen to his opinion. Having done both, it's THEN left to me to decide who ismore qualified(and therefore the more credible) to be providing the opinion that I should probably listen to.Funny, wealldo this when it comes tomedic

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Reply to : Nahum 1v7'morning, Nahum.Interesting postI guess I can sum up my POV this waypinions are like backsides--everybody has one. But here's the caveat:not allopinions are equally as informed, consequently,not allopinions are equal. Perhaps an illustration is in order. When I'm feeling ill, I could ask my mate who has done a basic first aid course what he reckons is wrong with me, and he might give me his opinion. I could then ask my mate who is a medical doctor what he reckons is wrong, and listen to his opinion. Having done both, it's THEN left to me to decide who ismore qualified(and therefore the more credible) to be providing the opinion that I should probably listen to.Funny, wealldo this when it comes tomedic

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Ahhh yes, so I assume you see yourself as the "doctor" and me and perhaps others as mere "first aid officers"? Or maybe you are the PROUD DOCTOR and we are the HUMBLE FIRST AID OFFICERS!!!

Just remember, God resists the proud and gives greace to the humble.

Why do you see the bible as a theological matter? I rather see it as a sprirtual matter, one in which the natural mind - the one you like to entertain us with - cannot receive!

Blessings Doc,

Nahum

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I'm not sure if we're all wrong, but I can understand where you're coming from. I'm sure we're all wrong about something but not completely wrong about everything. Some of us are more wrong than others but it would be wrong to say that others are wrong because we hope they all are. I think you hope we're all wrong because then we'll all stand there on the last day of our life in the same row with all the other wrong people.

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Hey Moth, I guess I am coming from the point of view that none of us are right all the time and in everything, therefore in one thing or another we are all wrong. I am sure it is in more than one thing for all of us.

Something for you guys to enjoy: In RF they claim to be "the right church", there is only one of those being the body of Christ, those who are baptised by one spirit into. So RF, like all other churches, is not "the right church" but hopefully people there have a right relationship with Jesus Christ and worship the ONE TRUE GOD!

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Nahum you are so naughty!!!!I like what you say and in eccence agree, however it must be said that this is an open forum and all including sott1 are allowed to post there view, you or may not agree with everything said, thats cool we dont have to. We just get on with our own walk and relationship with God and yea buddy the prayer closet is a great place,(note to self you really must do this more).Hope that you get to catch up with the ones you intend to this weekend I know it will be good for you to see this person/s and let them minister to you,(hope thats not to vauge) let me know how it all goes my friend, hang in there buddy day by day here alittle there a littleearth5

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I don't try and be naughty. Of course I don't agree with everything that others say, sometimes don't even agree with what I say after reading it , but did at the time. I guess that is part of change. 2 weeks ago I beleived my lawn didn't need to be cut, I definately don't beleive that today! Understand the open forum, open for me too I hope???

Anyway, will let you know about weekend and no, you weren't too vague.

Am hanging in there, just sometimes, fully at others.

God bless,

Nahum FAO