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Uncoolman

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Score：10760

Posts：346

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Register：05/04/2003 2:38 PM

Date Posted：03/09/2008 2:50 PMCopy HTML

FYI

The RCI have requested that any images belonging to them should not be used without their express permission. This is their legal right and I have complied with their wishes after sufficient research. We don't need to use their logo or photos to discuss the goings on of their organisation. However, if anyone does have any privately owned photos of the Longfields we would very much appreciate a copy, along with permission to publish. Feel free to send them to unkoolman@gmail.com

During discussions with a representative of Revival, the following statement was made which is erroneous and untrue. Ian has NEVER owned this forum, nor has he moderated it, and to the best of my knowledge neither has an 'Andrew' Dixon. Perhaps they are mistakenly linking the Please Consider website to this forum. They also named myself (the moderator) as a Peter B****, but this is also misinformed:

-------------------------------

Just to add, the current registered owners listed for your forum is
Andrew Dixon & Ian Thomason so if this is out of date, you may want to
arrange it being updated as well. This is in the event that if aimoo.com
were to issue a warning\request for removal etc and recieved no response
they would most likely have to take action without any notice. Thanks

Other messages sent recently:

The referred image isnt in breach of copyright because of who is in the
image but rather it is in breach of copyright because the 'owner' of the
image has not granted you specific permission to use it. As an example
if a photographer took an image, they would have copyright of the image
taken. The photographer would either grant permission or sell the
copyright for the image to be used in a publication. In this case
Revival Centres International are the copyright holder for the used
image and have requested that it be removed. For more information please
refer: http://www.copyright.org.au/

The image used on you website of the RCI logo is legally registered and
copyrighted to Revival Centres International, any attempted to use or re-create
the image without specfic permission is in breach of
copyright. Refer:
http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introductoryqa/permission-whenqa/permission-whereqa.htm/
I recommend seeking legal advice or consulting with the
Australian Copyright Council if you require further clarification in the matters of copyright

For your own information, the parody/satire
defence would not work in your case for multiple reasons as it is
Revival Centres International 'logo's & images' that are in breach of
copyright not the 'content\information' (although this is also currently
being reviewed). I am heavily experienced\involved in Copyright Law so
please conside this fair notice now. Any further attempts to breach any
copyright belonging to Revival Centres International will be followed up
by an 'intent to sue'. Thanks

Note the link below is a better source for your Parody\Satire defence
though as already mentioned these specific breaches unfortunately fall
out of the category acceptable use:
http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G083.pdf/download

Horse and rider - A man on his high horse, blowing his own trumpet

Didaktikon Share to: #1

Rank：New User

Score：681

Posts：23

From：Australia

Register：29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re：Horse and rider logo

Date Posted：03/09/2008 11:17 PMCopy HTML

Modgod,

Hmmm. So someone has accused Drewksie and me of being the owners/Moderators here, huh? Well now, I'd appreciate you emailing me with the details of said accusation, including the email contact details of the originator. I might share with him/her a piece of my mind, and a little legal advice to boot.

Ta muchly,

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com

Talmid Share to: #2

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Score：5980

Posts：293

From：Australia

Register：21/04/2008 10:04 PM

Re：Horse and rider logo

Date Posted：03/09/2008 11:44 PMCopy HTML

Moddy,

FWIW your call seems sensible to me. Why waste time/energy on an issue which as far as I'm concerned shows pettiness on the part of RCI. (Having read that info sheet, it'd be interesting to get a legal opinion on the former parody of the 'horse and rider" logo but IMO not worth the cost, time or energy.)

For me, the main game is exposing Revivalist salvation doctrine as un-biblical.

Their comment about reviewing use of their content/material is almost amusing given my experience of their bagging of material from other churches. I ask myself, "Why is there apparently some concern about exposing that material to public scrutiny?"

RCI,

I can understand protecting individuals, particularly those who seem frail, but if you want to be taken *seriously* in the "market-place of ideas", let alone as Christians, you'd be wise not to go down the litigous path (of a well known religon founded by a certain SF author) regarding your doctrine.

The evidence for Mann-made global warming is unequivocal.

Didaktikon Share to: #3

Rank：New User

Score：681

Posts：23

From：Australia

Register：29/08/2007 7:54 AM

Re：Horse and rider logo

Date Posted：04/09/2008 3:53 AMCopy HTML

Good afternoon, Talmid.

Yes, the entire affair is quite amusing. To begin with, it appears that young Jason doesn't understand copyright law to the extent that he has claimed (I've received advice on this matter today, from a very good friend who is a QC, and who specializes in commercial law). Second, it is sheer nonsense from a legal standpoint to believe that one can prevent the airing of public opinion and commentary concerning a group's, any group's, belief system(s). The CAI attempted shenanigans of this sort several years ago; the GRC have dipped their 'collective toes' into threats of this sort as well; and now this young RCI upstart beats his chest along similar lines.
Speaking for myself, I would simply relish the opportunity to present an informed expert's opinion before a magistrate hearing a libel case!

Blessings,

Ian

email: didaktikon@gmail.com

D-T-M Share to: #4

Rank：Regular Poster

Score：3450

Posts：135

From：Unknown

Register：28/08/2006 7:28 PM

Re：Horse and rider logo

Date Posted：07/09/2008 10:49 PMCopy HTML

Karma or what?

On Sunday 7 September Simon said "we are having problems with our AV projection equipment and we can only display our horse and rider logo in black and white"

D-T-M

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Title: Horse and rider logo
Revival_Centres_Discussion_Forums > The Back Room - Come in for SUPPER > Administration (Officers' meeting, and all are invited to eavesdrop).	Go to subcategory：

Uncoolman
Rank：Poster Venti III Score：10760 Posts：346 From：Unknown Register：05/04/2003 2:38 PM	Date Posted：03/09/2008 2:50 PMCopy HTML FYI The RCI have requested that any images belonging to them should not be used without their express permission. This is their legal right and I have complied with their wishes after sufficient research. We don't need to use their logo or photos to discuss the goings on of their organisation. However, if anyone does have any privately owned photos of the Longfields we would very much appreciate a copy, along with permission to publish. Feel free to send them to unkoolman@gmail.com During discussions with a representative of Revival, the following statement was made which is erroneous and untrue. Ian has NEVER owned this forum, nor has he moderated it, and to the best of my knowledge neither has an 'Andrew' Dixon. Perhaps they are mistakenly linking the Please Consider website to this forum. They also named myself (the moderator) as a Peter B****, but this is also misinformed: ------------------------------- Just to add, the current registered owners listed for your forum is Andrew Dixon & Ian Thomason so if this is out of date, you may want to arrange it being updated as well. This is in the event that if aimoo.com were to issue a warning\request for removal etc and recieved no response they would most likely have to take action without any notice. Thanks Other messages sent recently: The referred image isnt in breach of copyright because of who is in the image but rather it is in breach of copyright because the 'owner' of the image has not granted you specific permission to use it. As an example if a photographer took an image, they would have copyright of the image taken. The photographer would either grant permission or sell the copyright for the image to be used in a publication. In this case Revival Centres International are the copyright holder for the used image and have requested that it be removed. For more information please refer: http://www.copyright.org.au/ The image used on you website of the RCI logo is legally registered and copyrighted to Revival Centres International, any attempted to use or re-create the image without specfic permission is in breach of copyright. Refer: http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introductoryqa/permission-whenqa/permission-whereqa.htm/ I recommend seeking legal advice or consulting with the Australian Copyright Council if you require further clarification in the matters of copyright For your own information, the parody/satire defence would not work in your case for multiple reasons as it is Revival Centres International 'logo's & images' that are in breach of copyright not the 'content\information' (although this is also currently being reviewed). I am heavily experienced\involved in Copyright Law so please conside this fair notice now. Any further attempts to breach any copyright belonging to Revival Centres International will be followed up by an 'intent to sue'. Thanks Note the link below is a better source for your Parody\Satire defence though as already mentioned these specific breaches unfortunately fall out of the category acceptable use: http://www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G083.pdf/download Horse and rider - A man on his high horse, blowing his own trumpet
Didaktikon	Share to: #1
Rank：New User Score：681 Posts：23 From：Australia Register：29/08/2007 7:54 AM	Re：Horse and rider logo Date Posted：03/09/2008 11:17 PMCopy HTML Modgod, Hmmm. So someone has accused Drewksie and me of being the owners/Moderators here, huh? Well now, I'd appreciate you emailing me with the details of said accusation, including the email contact details of the originator. I might share with him/her a piece of my mind, and a little legal advice to boot. Ta muchly, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
Talmid	Share to: #2
Rank：Regular Rookier Score：5980 Posts：293 From：Australia Register：21/04/2008 10:04 PM	Re：Horse and rider logo Date Posted：03/09/2008 11:44 PMCopy HTML Moddy, FWIW your call seems sensible to me. Why waste time/energy on an issue which as far as I'm concerned shows pettiness on the part of RCI. (Having read that info sheet, it'd be interesting to get a legal opinion on the former parody of the 'horse and rider" logo but IMO not worth the cost, time or energy.) For me, the main game is exposing Revivalist salvation doctrine as un-biblical. Their comment about reviewing use of their content/material is almost amusing given my experience of their bagging of material from other churches. I ask myself, "Why is there apparently some concern about exposing that material to public scrutiny?" RCI, I can understand protecting individuals, particularly those who seem frail, but if you want to be taken seriously in the "market-place of ideas", let alone as Christians, you'd be wise not to go down the litigous path (of a well known religon founded by a certain SF author) regarding your doctrine. The evidence for Mann-made global warming is unequivocal.
Didaktikon	Share to: #3
Rank：New User Score：681 Posts：23 From：Australia Register：29/08/2007 7:54 AM	Re：Horse and rider logo Date Posted：04/09/2008 3:53 AMCopy HTML Good afternoon, Talmid. Yes, the entire affair is quite amusing. To begin with, it appears that young Jason doesn't understand copyright law to the extent that he has claimed (I've received advice on this matter today, from a very good friend who is a QC, and who specializes in commercial law). Second, it is sheer nonsense from a legal standpoint to believe that one can prevent the airing of public opinion and commentary concerning a group's, any group's, belief system(s). The CAI attempted shenanigans of this sort several years ago; the GRC have dipped their 'collective toes' into threats of this sort as well; and now this young RCI upstart beats his chest along similar lines. Speaking for myself, I would simply relish the opportunity to present an informed expert's opinion before a magistrate hearing a libel case! Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
D-T-M	Share to: #4
Rank：Regular Poster Score：3450 Posts：135 From：Unknown Register：28/08/2006 7:28 PM	Re：Horse and rider logo Date Posted：07/09/2008 10:49 PMCopy HTML Karma or what? On Sunday 7 September Simon said "we are having problems with our AV projection equipment and we can only display our horse and rider logo in black and white" D-T-M