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I am doing some research and would like to ask THOSE OF YOU WITH NO CURRENT RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION a few questions. I would prefer you sent me your replies by EMAIL attroygwaller@hotmail.comMy intent is draw similarities and differences between those of different all encompassing religions (such as RCs) in regards to 'nagging doubts' as ex-believers. What I am trying to discover is how similar or different is that little script that plays in the ex-RC head that says, "What if it is all true and I am deceived?" or similar thoughts. My hope is that to show this is a common thread in those who have walked away (in spite of the flavour of their past religion) and not symptomatic to one group only. But to do so, I have to get some data. I know people don't often like to admit this goes on, as it makes us look like we still believe deep down, but to deconstruct this properly, I need your honesty. Ok, so here we go... 1. What was your former group or belief? 2. Do you ever have a nagging doubt that the religion you no longer believe may, in fact, be true? 3. How does this doubt present itself? Please give specific details including your feelings at the time you face it. 4. How do you deal with this doubt? 5. How often do you face it? Thanks.

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Hope everyone's helping Te Luo Yi with his research... I thought I'd post my answers up here in addition to the email - maybe it can help someone else in their recovery process to see how I de-programmed the cult from my mind.

My name's Sean, AKA LifeIsNotARehearsal on the GRC forum. I left the GRC at the age of 18 in 1990 after being brought up in it for my whole childhood. Here are my answers to your questions:

1. What was your former group or belief?

GRC

2. Do you ever have a nagging doubt that the religion you no longer believe may, in fact, be true?

None at all now. I did for a couple of years, but studing science and engineering at uni gave the tools to open my mind to the realities of our world, and investigate the real mechanisms of life and the universe.

3. How does this doubt present itself? Please give specific details including your feelings at the time you face it.

Even in the beginning it was only a nagging doubt, but it was always there. While not sure of my standing with god (or even if there was one), the underlying doubt manifested itself as uncertainty with regards to what my soul will be doing for eternity. Was I destined to burn in hell? Was there a hell?

4. How do you deal with this doubt?

I spent many thousands of hours reading anything I could find in my very large university library. I read about the physical sciences, cosmology, geology, biology - specifically evolution. Richard Dawkins was (and still is) one of my favorite authors. However the underlying doubt also caused me to read as much as I could about surviving a nuclear war. I'm quite an expert on this subject - I hope this knowledge is never needed I also read a lot about cults, and back in the early days of the internet I read forums and stories from USA based sites from people who escaped other abusive cults. It was nice to know that I was not alone. My reading also included information about the evolution of Christianity as an organised religion, and the real origins of the bible.

My reading of the sciences was a concious effort to find out if my doubts had any real foundation. My love of the sciences continues to this day, and I rarely read fiction - I just want to find out more and more about the world and universe around me.

Those doubts left me entirely within 1-2 years. The evidence that I had been brought up on lies was all around me - everywhere I looked. The whole god-myth is a terrible lie, and I just wish humanity would grow the hell up and move on. Ignorance is religion's (and the GRC's) greatest ally.

5. How often do you face it?

Never. I'm embarrassed that I was fooled for so long (the first 18-20 years of my life). They've still got my family.

Hope this helps. Good luck with the research.

Regards,

Sean.

...and on the Eighth Day, Man created God.

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I am doing some research and would like to ask THOSE OF YOU WITH NO CURRENT RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION a few questions. I would prefer you sent me your replies by EMAIL attroygwaller@hotmail.comMy intent is draw similarities and differences between those of different all encompassing religions (such as RCs) in regards to 'nagging doubts' as ex-believers. What I am trying to discover is how similar or different is that little script that plays in the ex-RC head that says, "What if it is all true and I am deceived?" or similar thoughts. My hope is that to show this is a common thread in those who have walked away (in spite of the flavour of their past religion) and not symptomatic to one group only. But to do so, I have to get some data.I know people don't often like to admit this goes on, as it makes us look l

Even though I dont fit the description of the 'no religious affiliation' I would like to thank you Troy for all the surport and information you have put out on the Revival Cults.

It was the main strenght I received to get the courage to finally leave the GRC, and being to try and get my life back together.

Thanks Mate!

Warrick Fulford

aka Warrick Harrison ( changing my surname back to my real family name )

Cheers Bro!

A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall. Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"

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Even though I dont fit the description of the 'no religious affiliation' I would like to thank you Troy for all the surport and information you have put out on the Revival Cults.It was the main strenght I received to get the courage to finally leave the GRC, and being to try and get my life back together.Thanks Mate!Warrick Fulfordaka Warrick Harrison ( changing my surname back to my real family name )Cheers Bro!

So we're openly Warrick now... the cat's out of the bag is it? Did ya finally think 'ahh, frak 'em... this is me and this is what I'm doin, bring it on ya bastards", or something like that. Sheesh, you change names in real life like you used to change avatars and handles on the forum. ha.. I was considering changing my name back to the original family one too, but probably too much paperwork and fuss... 'cause I'm bored with my real name; I should introduce myself as Moth to new people I meet. I need a new avatar in life too. Maybe get a facelift and a tummy tuck.

Instagram and Twitter: @mothpete

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Reply to : Revivals BloodEven though I dont fit the description of the 'no religious affiliation' I would like to thank you Troy for all the surport and information you have put out on the Revival Cults.It was the main strenght I received to get the courage to finally leave the GRC, and being to try and get my life back together.Thanks Mate!Warrick Fulfordaka Warrick Harrison ( changing my surname back to my real family name )Cheers Bro!So we're openly Warrick now... the cat's out of the bag is it? Did ya finally think 'ahh, frak 'em... this is me and this is what I'm doin, bring it on ya bastards", or something like that. Sheesh, you change names in real life like you used to change avatars and handles on the forum. ha.. I was considering changing my name back to the origin

Hey Mothy!

yep, hit the nail on the head there, i dont give a rats ass who reads my name or post, coz using my real name helps people understand the lies that have gotton around about me and the truth about my battle with depression while in the hell house of the GRC.

Good taking again hell beleiver! lmao!!!!

cheers Bro

Warrick Fulford

A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall. Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"

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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Date Posted：18/02/2007 11:37 PMCopy HTML I am doing some research and would like to ask THOSE OF YOU WITH NO CURRENT RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION a few questions. I would prefer you sent me your replies by EMAIL attroygwaller@hotmail.comMy intent is draw similarities and differences between those of different all encompassing religions (such as RCs) in regards to 'nagging doubts' as ex-believers. What I am trying to discover is how similar or different is that little script that plays in the ex-RC head that says, "What if it is all true and I am deceived?" or similar thoughts. My hope is that to show this is a common thread in those who have walked away (in spite of the flavour of their past religion) and not symptomatic to one group only. But to do so, I have to get some data. I know people don't often like to admit this goes on, as it makes us look like we still believe deep down, but to deconstruct this properly, I need your honesty. Ok, so here we go... 1. What was your former group or belief? 2. Do you ever have a nagging doubt that the religion you no longer believe may, in fact, be true? 3. How does this doubt present itself? Please give specific details including your feelings at the time you face it. 4. How do you deal with this doubt? 5. How often do you face it? Thanks.
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Rank：Member I Score：1150 Posts：53 From：Australia Register：09/09/2006 11:27 AM	Re：Help with research...ex GRC Date Posted：20/02/2007 7:07 AMCopy HTML Hope everyone's helping Te Luo Yi with his research... I thought I'd post my answers up here in addition to the email - maybe it can help someone else in their recovery process to see how I de-programmed the cult from my mind. My name's Sean, AKA LifeIsNotARehearsal on the GRC forum. I left the GRC at the age of 18 in 1990 after being brought up in it for my whole childhood. Here are my answers to your questions: 1. What was your former group or belief? GRC 2. Do you ever have a nagging doubt that the religion you no longer believe may, in fact, be true? None at all now. I did for a couple of years, but studing science and engineering at uni gave the tools to open my mind to the realities of our world, and investigate the real mechanisms of life and the universe. 3. How does this doubt present itself? Please give specific details including your feelings at the time you face it. Even in the beginning it was only a nagging doubt, but it was always there. While not sure of my standing with god (or even if there was one), the underlying doubt manifested itself as uncertainty with regards to what my soul will be doing for eternity. Was I destined to burn in hell? Was there a hell? 4. How do you deal with this doubt? I spent many thousands of hours reading anything I could find in my very large university library. I read about the physical sciences, cosmology, geology, biology - specifically evolution. Richard Dawkins was (and still is) one of my favorite authors. However the underlying doubt also caused me to read as much as I could about surviving a nuclear war. I'm quite an expert on this subject - I hope this knowledge is never needed I also read a lot about cults, and back in the early days of the internet I read forums and stories from USA based sites from people who escaped other abusive cults. It was nice to know that I was not alone. My reading also included information about the evolution of Christianity as an organised religion, and the real origins of the bible. My reading of the sciences was a concious effort to find out if my doubts had any real foundation. My love of the sciences continues to this day, and I rarely read fiction - I just want to find out more and more about the world and universe around me. Those doubts left me entirely within 1-2 years. The evidence that I had been brought up on lies was all around me - everywhere I looked. The whole god-myth is a terrible lie, and I just wish humanity would grow the hell up and move on. Ignorance is religion's (and the GRC's) greatest ally. 5. How often do you face it? Never. I'm embarrassed that I was fooled for so long (the first 18-20 years of my life). They've still got my family. Hope this helps. Good luck with the research. Regards, Sean. ...and on the Eighth Day, Man created God.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/08/2005 6:47 PM	Re：Help with research...ex GRC Date Posted：20/02/2007 10:45 AMCopy HTML Reply to : Te Luo Yi I am doing some research and would like to ask THOSE OF YOU WITH NO CURRENT RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION a few questions. I would prefer you sent me your replies by EMAIL attroygwaller@hotmail.comMy intent is draw similarities and differences between those of different all encompassing religions (such as RCs) in regards to 'nagging doubts' as ex-believers. What I am trying to discover is how similar or different is that little script that plays in the ex-RC head that says, "What if it is all true and I am deceived?" or similar thoughts. My hope is that to show this is a common thread in those who have walked away (in spite of the flavour of their past religion) and not symptomatic to one group only. But to do so, I have to get some data.I know people don't often like to admit this goes on, as it makes us look l Even though I dont fit the description of the 'no religious affiliation' I would like to thank you Troy for all the surport and information you have put out on the Revival Cults. It was the main strenght I received to get the courage to finally leave the GRC, and being to try and get my life back together. Thanks Mate! Warrick Fulford aka Warrick Harrison ( changing my surname back to my real family name ) Cheers Bro! A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall. Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
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Rank：Forum Oracle Score：41550 Posts：1881 From：Australia Register：27/02/2004 11:21 PM	Re：Help with research...ex GRC Date Posted：20/02/2007 1:09 PMCopy HTML Reply to : Revivals Blood Even though I dont fit the description of the 'no religious affiliation' I would like to thank you Troy for all the surport and information you have put out on the Revival Cults.It was the main strenght I received to get the courage to finally leave the GRC, and being to try and get my life back together.Thanks Mate!Warrick Fulfordaka Warrick Harrison ( changing my surname back to my real family name )Cheers Bro! So we're openly Warrick now... the cat's out of the bag is it? Did ya finally think 'ahh, frak 'em... this is me and this is what I'm doin, bring it on ya bastards", or something like that. Sheesh, you change names in real life like you used to change avatars and handles on the forum. ha.. I was considering changing my name back to the original family one too, but probably too much paperwork and fuss... 'cause I'm bored with my real name; I should introduce myself as Moth to new people I meet. I need a new avatar in life too. Maybe get a facelift and a tummy tuck. Instagram and Twitter: @mothpete
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/08/2005 6:47 PM	Re：Help with research...ex GRC Date Posted：21/02/2007 9:50 AMCopy HTML Reply to : MothandRust Reply to : Revivals BloodEven though I dont fit the description of the 'no religious affiliation' I would like to thank you Troy for all the surport and information you have put out on the Revival Cults.It was the main strenght I received to get the courage to finally leave the GRC, and being to try and get my life back together.Thanks Mate!Warrick Fulfordaka Warrick Harrison ( changing my surname back to my real family name )Cheers Bro!So we're openly Warrick now... the cat's out of the bag is it? Did ya finally think 'ahh, frak 'em... this is me and this is what I'm doin, bring it on ya bastards", or something like that. Sheesh, you change names in real life like you used to change avatars and handles on the forum. ha.. I was considering changing my name back to the origin Hey Mothy! yep, hit the nail on the head there, i dont give a rats ass who reads my name or post, coz using my real name helps people understand the lies that have gotton around about me and the truth about my battle with depression while in the hell house of the GRC. Good taking again hell beleiver! lmao!!!! cheers Bro Warrick Fulford A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall. Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"