I remember a sermon in melbourne about how the european union, somehow twisted into the whore of babylon and all this shit was happening. It is funny how it relates to illuminati conspiracy theory as well, although i'm led to believe that the illuminati aren't really jews, they just portray that they are. www.illuminati-news.com is a 'hotbed of conspiracy theory' there! One world order etc.... reptillian shite ;o)

Another angle is the terrorism thing of course. Twin towers, there were two prophets clothed in sackcloth... in revelations somewhere. That one might actually be bona fide, says the great city looked like it was burning for days...

but think about it. Rome, London, all done similar things themselves. and with a king james bible you can even prophesise Michael Bolton doing a comeback tour just before he becomes the anti-christ.

i remember, funny, but if i showed up to a meeting on time or a little early and no-one was there how freaked out i'd get. I thought they'd all gone an i was left behind.... its funny now but shit. Sad little monkey at that time in my life.

To take the new-age angle, 2012 is the year the mayans prophesised with their astral calender. 2012 or 2007 cant remember. But it wasnt the end of the world it was a new age being ushered in, a breakdown of society and barriers, world debt being forgiven and a heap of other things.

On another note saw an excellent doco on SBS about paul's writings and stuff. He wrote very few of the new testament and james apparently didnt write any, he was illiterate. or was that peter..... and some were written after pauls death. Amazing, RCI should look into that and maybe they'll realise there was a lot of smoke coming from a very small fire at the time.

tripleK survivor

MARANATHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

Well when it came to end time prophecy, the official presentations we used still involved Russia as the Gog and Magog of Ezekial. Idjumean conspiracy was still linked to this with the presentation talking about Lenin having Idjumean connections. It was all supposedly part of Esau's conspiracy to topple Jacob (America/Great Britain). I actually found it quite hilarious that the presentation graphics portrayed Russia as the old Communist Soviet Union threatening to attack at any moment (this presentation was still used in 2003). There was lip service paid to the fact that the Soviet Union is no more, but the Pastor (an Australian grandee - I think he was Hazeldine) who made the presentation said that secretly it is still the same and that it is poised to attack the Middle East and then America/Great Britain.

There were other popular historicist prophecies floating around. Someone said that Babylon burning must refer to the Roman Catholic Church and that will come into reality when a volcano erupts nearby Vatican City and engulfs the Vatican.

The issue of the Israeli Republic was a bit of a controversy in my time. The main Pastor of my assembly was keen to avoid any anti-semitic rhetoric and he really emphasised replacement theology of the Christian church being the primary Israel of prophecy (he did not like B.I.). He also angered a lot of people by suggesting that Israel is largely composed of true Jews, although he never said that Christians should support Israeli Zionism. So this made it easier to relate the 'war on terrorism' into end times. So the war on terrorism could be seen as the last chapter of the epic struggle between the sons of Abraham. My house leader was very enthusiastic about Gulf War II last year because he really thought that it could be the big one. Islamic terrorism was also used a lot in out-reach presentations. In one show we put on to visitors, we had someone sing a song warning people to be ready for the day of judgement with a movie projected in the background of Middle East conflict footage.

Looking back, it was funny last Summer when I had a private chat with the Pastor who encouraged me to rejoin the Fellowship. He seemed to have moved on to the next end times theme: Meteorite impact! He talked about how this is the ultimate threat to Earth and how near misses show how threatening it all is.

Ultimately, post 1995 there is a lot of confusion and end times is pretty much a free-for-all subject (as long as no one supports pre-tribulation rapture idea). Nowadays Pastors don't encourage members to be dogmatic in this, because they know it will cause division and expose the Fellowship to outside criticism. It's just another case of the 'let's-keep-things-simple' trend - a fear of another split.

Yeah, I figured there must have been some confusion, reworking or even just stubborn refusal to admit the changes on the world stage to suit their eschatology (big word for end-times doctrine). 

I remember when I was doing my research on the RCI I heard Lloyd Longfield say (about the break up of the Soviet Union), "Wheras before we had one big problem, now we have 10 little ones."

Apocalyptic rhetoric and fear are major players in most Xian based cults.  It's a form of fear control. 

But then again can you blame the cults for believing the apocalype is soon?  They read their Bibles and it appears that the Apostles and Jesus said the return would happen in the 1st or early 2nd centuries and yet he is still a no show.  So their logic deduces that it must be coming 'soon'.  In all fairness to the fundys, the Bible does teach the immanent apocalypse.  And yet it didn't eventuate in the lifetime of the writers.  it appears that St. Paul accepted there may be a 'delay' in his later writings.  But ealier written books talk of the immanent return of Jesus (and not just his ressurection either).  Reality contradicts the Bible here.  What does this say about the infallibilty of the Bible and its authors?  Lots I reckon.  The Bible and its writers are/were fallible.

But before you fundys draw and quater me for saying that, I am making a point about the infallibility of the Bible, not about the return of Jesus.  I won't and cannot say that he won't return.  But I am saying it is obviously not when the early writers said he would, thus showing the humanity and fallibility of the New Testament writers and their writings.

Selah...

Apparently 70 years (3 score and 10) after 1917 When General Allamby reclaimed Israel from the Turks the Lord would return because the generation that saw that even would see the return of Christ. Anyway all 1987 brought was a big stockmarket crash (hooray so thats what the scripture meant). So then an extra 10 years was added to the prophesy (by strength). Anyway, all 1997 brought was another stockmarket crash -  a coincidence that was latched onto as the monetary babylonian system that was breaking down.

By this time it was considered that a generation actually meant 120 years and this makes a better link with the two thousand years that will pass from when the Holy spirit was poured out to his return. The good samaritan gave the innkeeper 2 pennies and said he would return in two days. A day is a thousand years to the Lord. Therefore he would return about two days after he left us with the innkeeper. About 2030... or 1917+120... 2037. Either way, the very learned pastors of SE qld have decided that we have entered into that millenial age now. But have readjusted their assemblies into living out possibly the next 30 years.

I didnt plan out my life properly because i always thought the Lord's return was imminent. Fooooolish me. oh well life goes on.

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Apparently 70 years (3 score and 10) after 1917 When General Allamby reclaimed Israel from the Turks the Lord would return because the generation that saw that even would see the return of Christ. Anyway all 1987 brought was a big stockmarket crash (hooray so thats what the scripture meant). So then an extra 10 years was added to the prophesy (by strength). Anyway, all 1997 brought was another stockmarket crash - a coincidence that was latched onto as the monetary babylonian system that was breaking down.By this time it was considered that a generation actually meant 120 years and this makes a better link with the two thousand years that will pass from when the Holy spirit was poured out to his return. The good samaritan gave the innkeeper 2 pennies and said he would return in two days. A day is a thousand years to the Lord. Therefore he would return abou

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the Greek word is Genea and really could mean any number of things : fathered birth or nativiity;  that which is begotten, men of the same stock, a family;

the whole multitude of men living at the same time; an age.

Whith regards to an age it is no set time. Generaly people will refer to about 30 years but some will say 21years  others 40 years.

With regards to Mathew 24:34  which says " This generation will not pass till all things shall be fulfilled"  I don't really know but it could mean in this case the whole multitude of men living at the same time or could be simply an age. Who knows ?

It is just dangerous to say when the Lord will be coming back. Lives get destroyed when things like 30 years at the most 40 from the time of General Allenby.

II Timothy 3: 1-5

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobediant to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

II Timothy 3: 1-5

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobediant to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

It's the end of the world as we know it... and I feel fine..

I think you'll find that mankind in general has had these attributes all along, in the main. It is because of these attributes that perilous times are coming (and if you ask many, perilous times have been upon us for a long time now) and the end.

People have always been denying the power of God. Especially those churches that glorify one gift over others to the point where the others are denied their true spiritual value. After 16 years in a tongue worshipping church (you know what i mean... The creation gets more credit than the creator). I never realised how powerful the gift of prophesy, discernment, interpretation etc are. It's a much bigger and much more powerful church than I ever knew, with God at the helm.

Pillars of smoke - This is part of the scripture used to coax me into the Revival Centres in 1988. Pillars apparently comes from the word 'timoroff' (meaning palm tree... loosely)... how else would early writers know of palmtree (mushroom - nuclear) shaped pillars of smoke?', they asked. 'Eyes melting in their sockets, tongues cleaving to their mouths...' OK, sounds like a nuclear event.fficeffice" />

It also sounds like the result of a volcanic eruption. The smoke and ash from volcanoes rise and spread as they hit the atmosphere. Eruptions, such as these, have been around for millions of years. They have always been related to disaster and death.... And I'm sure the days would have burnt like an oven around such events.

 'Eyes melting in their sockets, tongues cleaving to their mouths...' OK, sounds like a nuclear event.fficeffice" />

Sounds more like your eyes wont believe what they are seeing and you will be left speechless!!

End of the world - I thought that it was supposed to take place a few days before or after September 11. Now September 11 did not lead to a holocaust but it could well have escalated to something a lot bigger but i guess it is a case of "Close but no cigar" Pastor Longfield!

This topic of the 'soon return of Christ' has been 'unpacked' nearly exaustively in the following thread title 'Jesus' Ethics', but I haven't read enough to come to any conclusions yet... it that's even possible.

http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=443300&CategoryID=392128&startcat=1&ThreadID=2499171

666

Something that has always had me curious is the prospect of the mark of the beast and its relation to buying and selling in the end times according to Revelation. Rev. Historists will tell you it was a time when the Papacy had the economy under its thumb... I dunno and don't really care much. I think that makes more sense than the following article from the futurists who are adamant that proposed national IDs are possibly the marks referred to. If they are so convinced that such a system is a sure sign of Christ's return then why are they so determined to stop it?

http://nonationalid.com/

Is the coming National ID the prophesied "mark of the beast"?

We must stop it now! What can we do?

"666 - How Close?" (Formerly entitled "No National ID") is a one-hour DVD which proves that the National ID is leading us into the prophesied world government and its mark of the beast system.

There is a prophecy in the Bible that foretells a time when every person will be required to have a mark or a number, without which he or she will not be able to participate in the economy.

The prophecy is 2,000 years old, but it has been impossible for it to come to pass until now. With the invention of the computer and the Internet, this prophecy of buying and selling, using a number, can now be implemented at any time. Has the time for the fulfillment of this prophecy arrived?

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This topic of the'soon return of Christ'has been 'unpacked' nearly exaustively in the following thread title 'Jesus' Ethics', but I haven't read enough to come to any conclusions yet... it that's even possible.http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=443300&CategoryID=392128&startcat=1&ThreadID=2499171666Something that has always had me curious is the prospect of the mark of the beast and its relation to buying and selling in the end times according to Revelation. Rev. Historists will tell you it was a time when the Papacy had the

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I can't see how the historicist view would work. I mean why would God inspire John to write Revelation if it only had meaning for the church in the western world? And when you think about it Christians who've followed the historicist approach always seem to think the prophecies in Revelation relate to them, and their time. True for the reformers a few hundred years ago. True for the RF today.

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Historists will tell you it was a time when the Papacy had theI can't see how the historicist view would work. I mean why would God inspire John to write Revelation if it only had meaning for the church in thewesternworld?And when you think about it

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I dunno if this thread jumping is annoying people... but.... click here for where this discussion has already started... or at least to another room where I mostly talk to myself about more stuff that means very little to real life and shit.

click >>> Secret Rapture? What's your take on Revelation etc

Unfortunately, the world's not going to end though... I truly wish it would. If it does, well then woohoo, whatever the next level is I'm sure there's cheaper petrol and better bodies that are far less faulty than these stinkers. These bodies get old real quick.

To the futurists who are waiting for an antichrist to appear and for the planet to go all 'LEFT BEHIND" on our asses... I pity you and your children.

To all the millons of JWs waiting for a new planet with grassy fields full of sleeping lions and lambs and lots of multicultural fruit basket sharing, I say.. you are freaking deluded door knocking idiots.

For everyone else waiting for Jesus to return and set up some sort of perfect government...? Well, don't wait up. Move on with your life and put away as much superannuation as possible. If He does come back soon.. cool. I'm sure someone with godlike powers could really do something with this planet.. although we have been through that already.

I'm in a bad mood... does that show at all through this post?

I joined the RCI/RF when I was 16. I am now 40, and have been out for 2 years. During that time, of course there were many, many talks on the end of the world. It was a favourite topic for Pastor Graeme. Because I love history, I would listen avidly and think wow! this guy knows his stuff. Now I know better.

However, growing up with the prospect of Jesus returning at any time can be pretty daunting. I remember thinking, please Lord, dont come back until I have a boyfriend, (pretty lame I know!)....then when I had one, please Lord, don't come back until I am married (have been for 21 years now!), then, please Lord don't come back until I have children (two teenagers later!!!).

I know it sounds stupid, but that is what a lot of people secretly thought. You dare not say anything, because the older people would be shocked. You were made to feel guilty if you harboured these thoughts. Now, with the passing of time, and the wisdom of age !!!!???, I am not bothered. The Lord will come back when he is ready, and we can't even guess His timeframe for that.

Thanks for reading, Meg

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However, growing up with the prospect of Jesus returning at any time can be pretty daunting. I remember thinking, please Lord, dont come back until I have a boyfriend, (pretty lame I know

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I used to stress He'd come back before the Star Wars films were finished... then the Matrix trilogy... or Lord of the Rings... oh heck..! Don't you dare return until the final Harry Potter book is released. That would be truly unfair.

I'd like to see how LOST and Prison Break turns out too.

So if you could hold back that'd be great.

  CTRL C this and watch it. Is this the end time or is this just the start of the end. Do kids count or are they just god's trash to be killed at will?

To bring about would war three???

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/151205threwrocks.htm

As in the Days of Noah

I found this on the net and thought it was funny, but please don't anyone take it seriously. Holy Cow!! I thought I used to go silly trying to work out the date of the end of the world... the guys on this website leave me for dead!- H&S

In Mt. 24:36,37, Jesus said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

In an incoming email, I got the news that Noah died in the 2006th year after Adam was created. That's accurate. I had that note written in on my Bible Chronology printout, but didn't think of its significance. Two heads are better than one. Since Noah's days on Earth ended in 2006 AH, maybe our days on Earth will end with the Rapture in 2006 AD.

http://www.prophecycorner.com/agee/index.html