Title: End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) | |
Revival_Centres_Discussion_Forums > Bible, Beliefs, Scriptures and 'The Word' > Revival Doctrines we 'USED TO BELIEVE' | Go to subcategory: |
Author | Content |
Warrick 007 | ||||||
Date Posted:14/07/2006 1:58 PMCopy HTML I remember while attending the GRC every time therewas an explosion of conflict in or around Israel, N.H would alwayssee it as a sure sign of the quickly approaching end times.But thebig problem with this is that it creates a "boy that cried wolf" syndrome. Remember the cold war? Every one in the GRC was lead to beleive world war 3 wasvery close. Many where told it was not worth going to Uni,to get a good caree, as it would have been in vain. Yes wemay eventually tire of the conflict in Israel, so much so that we will not recognize when true prophetically significant events occur, butConflict in Israel is not necessarily a sign of the end times...Its been 3 years since I'v been in the GRC, but i cancertainly tell you what the Sunday Night talks are about, N.h would be loving this persentfight in Israel has it will give him some fire with fearto play with, whichwill help himgain some control back.Ok so this is now what i beleive to be the truth. I know many poeple may disagree,or dont even care, lol, but after 3 years of GRC detox of there bible errors, i have found a joy and freedom in the Lord that i never had in the GRCConflict in Israel has been a reality whenever Israel has existed as a nation. Whether it was the Egyptians, Amalekites, Midianites, Moabites, Ammonites, Amorites, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, or Romans - the nation of Israel has always been surrounded by and persecuted by its neighbors. Why is this? According to the Bible, it is because God has a special plan for the nation of Israel, and Satan wants to defeat that plan. Satanically influenced hatred of Israel is the reason that Israel's neighbors have always wanted to see Israel destroyed. Whether it is Sennacherib, king of Assyria, Haman, official of Persia, Hitler, leader of Nazi Germany, or Ahmadinejad, President of Iran - attempts to ultimately destroy Israel will always fail. The persecutors of Israel will come and go...but the persecution will remain. As a result, conflict in Israel cannot be considered a reliable indicator of the soon arrival of the end times.At the same time, there will be terrible conflict in Israel during the end times. That is why the time period is known as the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, and the "time of Jacob's trouble" (Jeremiah 30:7). Here is what the Bible does say about Israel in the end times:There will be a mass return of Jews to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 30:3; Isaiah 43:6; Ezekiel 34:11-13; 36:24; 37:1-14).The antichrist will make a 7-year covenant of "peace" with Israel (Isaiah 28:18; Daniel 9:27).The Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem (Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 11:1).The antichrist will break his covenant with Israel. Worldwide persecution of Israel will result (Daniel 9:27; 12:1, 11; Zechariah 11:16; Matthew 24:15, 21; Revelation 12:13). Israel will be invaded (Ezekiel chapters 38-39).Israel will finally recognize Jesus as the Messiah (Zechariah 12:10). Israel will be regenerated, restored, and regathered (Jeremiah 33:8; Ezekiel 11:17; Romans 11:26).There is much turmoil in Israel today. Israel is persecuted, surrounded by enemies - the Palestinians, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, etc. This hatred and persecution of Israel is only a hint of what will happen in the end times (Matthew 24:15-21). Israel has been persecuted since it was reconstituted as a nation in 1948. Many Bible prophecy scholars believed the six-day Arab-Israeli war in 1973 was the "beginning of the end." Could what is taking place in Israel today indicate that the end is near? Yes. Does it necessarily mean the end is near? No. Jesus Himself said it best, "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come" (Matthew 24:4-6).
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Morning Sunshine | Share to: #51 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:22/07/2006 10:40 PMCopy HTML Hi R.B. I think your " AVATAR" is way, way, over the top mate, there has to be a better one. I mean not a worse one ." ONE MORE PLEASING TO THE EYE."
I feel sick looking at it. AND SO WILL ALL THE GIRLS R.B.
Your females are MUCH better
Or something else a bit different, but PLEASE not that one. R.B. Let"s Fly Away.
|
||||||
MothandRust | Share to: #52 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 3:44 PMCopy HTML
Instagram and Twitter: @mothpete
|
||||||
Anonymous | Share to: #53 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 4:41 PMCopy HTML Reply to : MORNING SUNSHINE
"Hi R.B. I think your " AVATAR" is way, way, over the top mate," lol, But i'm sure your watched worse on Tv? hehe |
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #54 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 4:44 PMCopy HTML opps above was mine. Well i did feel like my guts where ripped out when i left. OK leave it with me, will see what else i can put on instead! Bloody girls!
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Morning Sunshine | Share to: #55 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 5:17 PMCopy HTML
Hi R.B. Sorry for being hard to get along with..."ma man"..That will be most appreciated , thanks R.B. I THINK OUR IMAGE HERE WILL ALSO LOOK BETTER TO ALL THE NEWBIES. if you changed your image. with a new avatar. The last thing we want to do in here, is to scare or repulse ...OUR WELCOMED FRIENDS off.... LOL. M.S. Let"s Fly Away.
|
||||||
Glad-to be out | Share to: #56 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 6:30 PMCopy HTML Reply to : HolyandSinful Hollins at one stage when he didn't want a young couple to marry (didn't like the pedigree ) actually used end times stuff to scare them off. That was a good 11 years ago. Also, MANY young people put off having children for the same reason (end times). One of my family to be exact.They had their first child about 11 months ago after 10 years of marriage. Must have gotten sick of waiting for the END, and now by their accounts, "the shiteth hath hitteth the faneth. " In the words of the world's greatest sage. DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers, Glad
Ha, check this out... interesting! The time is SHORT.Bades well for preterism argument!1 Cor7:29But this I say, brethren,the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;Why don't the literal- fundy reader's take that into account? and demonstrate their 'faith' in the "word' by not getting married.....buying a house....etc. etc. Why save for old age or plan for anything......? (Chic)
"Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
|
||||||
Glad-to be out | Share to: #57 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 6:34 PMCopy HTML Reply to : Revival Baked You can make allowances for me if you like, but I like the new avatar. Cheers, Glad PS am sitting on the fence now because, I also understand where MS is coming from.
"Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
|
||||||
MothandRust | Share to: #58 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 7:36 PMCopy HTML
My sister is a full-on fundy AOG christian type. She annoys the crap out of me with all her 'stuff'... anyway, she doesn't believe in contraception and has five kids to prove it. The Lord told her that she'd have seven kids so she counts the miscarriages too. The Lord told her the last one would be a boy, but I guess He can't get 'em all right. I'm kinda hoping one of them turns out to be gay. Umm, what was the point of this? Oh yeah! She believes contraception is tantamount to murder - by using a condom you are actually preventing potential humans from existing!!! Sooooo, if Noel is saying crap to put people off having children then he's a MURDERER in the eyes of my fundy sister. My sister has five kids and they all have to go to private christian schools because they'd get corrupted otherwise. They live on cereal because they can't afford much else. With their spare money they buy DVDs because they won't accept anything from my stolen pirated collection. Sheesh, she's a nutter... and far too much like me for my liking. I'll miss that avatar MS... love images that shock and confront. I mean they're stick figures... Hasn't anyone seen someone rip the stomach out of someone and wear it as a hat... umm... yeah... sounds bad when you type it out LOL Classic. How much more violent can you get! Absolutely classic. Don't watch Hostel or Saw whatever you do girls hehehe. bad. Instagram and Twitter: @mothpete
|
||||||
Glad-to be out | Share to: #59 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 10:20 PMCopy HTML Reply to : HolyandSinful He didn't actually tell young couples not to have children, but he would get them to put off getting married ( particularly if the pedigree wasn't right-hush, we are talking about mixed race unions here). He gave a speech from the "platform" once that we, "the saints" were never to question any young married couple with the old catch cry "and when are you going to start a family?" I think this was only because one of his sons had been married for ages and no children were forthcoming. As for Hostel, got it ages ago, but when my kids saw I had it they banned me from watching it and made me give it to one of their friends!!!! Oh, and by the way, the GRC Pty Ltd has the means to murder your soul, so they don't need to kill the flesh. Cheers, Glad
"Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
|
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #60 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 10:29 PMCopy HTML
How about this one? is this one ok?
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Morning Sunshine | Share to: #61 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:23/07/2006 11:40 PMCopy HTML
Well R.B. That " AVATAR" R.B.... Well no comment...PUT SALLY BACK ON.
YOUR CHOICE OF FEMALES HAS CERTAINLY DETERIORATED MY BOY. DON'T ASK ME TO GO TO YOUR WEDDING. I'D BE TOO EMBARRASSED, IF THEY ARE THE SORT YOU CHOOSE CAN'T YOU DO BETTER THAN THAT??????? Let"s Fly Away.
|
||||||
Morning Sunshine | Share to: #62 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/07/2006 12:01 AMCopy HTML Hi H@S, YOUR " AVATAR" is as spooky as our mate's as well. Sorry to be a SQUARE head you guys. TURNING UP HERE IS LIKE GOING TO A "HORROR SHOW" I know I will get some backlash here.But who cares I won't. WHY NOT PICK ...N.H..... FOR YOUR AVATAR, AND REALLY SPOOK US OFF. NOW I HAVE GONE ONE BETTER. YOUR TURN. M.S. Let"s Fly Away.
|
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #63 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/07/2006 10:04 AMCopy HTML
"YOUR CHOICE OF FEMALES HAS CERTAINLY DETERIORATED MY BOY. DON'T ASK ME TO GO TO YOUR WEDDING. I'D BE TOO EMBARRASSED, IF THEY ARE THE SORT YOU CHOOSE "
HAHAHAHAHAHA .... I WISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"CAN'T YOU DO BETTER THAN THAT???????" Here then, maybe you will like to chose one for yourself??? lol nice hey?, hehe lol. I know you'll just love this one. haha
classic moment in world history lol.
Opps this topic is on End Times, I have kinda gotton a bit off track. But You no what i'm like when it comes to Avatars lol.
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #64 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/07/2006 11:58 AMCopy HTML
OK. Thats a new one for me. ROFL! Whats hubby going to do after the 7th? lol
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Morning Sunshine | Share to: #65 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/07/2006 2:03 PMCopy HTML
YOU BEAUTY "" R.B."" PERFECT CHOICE MY FRIEND JUST COULD NOT STOP LAUGHING.
P.S. The one with the cat and the mouse bashing each other is a good one too. But the one you picked is very appropiate to here. Don't you think? The Avatar you now have,here reminds me of me trying to get this message over to you. R.B.
Let"s Fly Away.
|
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #66 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/07/2006 5:20 PMCopy HTML
EUH? no fare, I was trying to gross you out. How is a cartoon of a guy hitting the keyboard so hard that blood splashes out from his hands, then hits his head so hard that is teeth, face, and eye balls pop out, any more worse than my other avatar cartoon getting is stomach ripped out and then used as a hat? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just dont get it. hehe... love your new Avatar! hopefuly more will follow. RB
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
MothandRust | Share to: #67 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/07/2006 9:53 PMCopy HTML Instagram and Twitter: @mothpete
|
||||||
Morning Sunshine | Share to: #68 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/07/2006 11:05 PMCopy HTML Reply to : Revival Baked Hi R.B. Thanks for helping me with my new Avatar. I didn't see your new Avatar as offencive as the "guts spilling one." though it could lean that way a bit. But I do like your new one. SO FUNNY. M.S. Let"s Fly Away.
|
||||||
Morning Sunshine | Share to: #69 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:25/07/2006 12:07 AMCopy HTML Reply to : Revival Baked
Hi R.B. See if I can get this one to work. (I can't seem to get through with my posts??????) Thanks for helping me with my new Avatar. I didn't think your new Avatar is as offencive as the one with the (guts hanging out) I didn't actually see the damage to the teeth on your new one. Well anyway I THINK IT IS REALLY FUNNY. M.S. Let"s Fly Away.
|
||||||
Morning Sunshine | Share to: #70 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:25/07/2006 12:13 AMCopy HTML Reply to : MORNING SUNSHINE
TESTING TESTING Just me using up more space. Hope it works SORRY GUYS Let"s Fly Away.
|
||||||
Anonymous | Share to: #71 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:25/07/2006 4:16 PMCopy HTML
lol
RB |
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #72 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:27/07/2006 2:43 PMCopy HTML
Thanks. Yes i still believe its true too.
But just not the way the GRC teaches. I still can remember souls in my mind in that place calling on the Lord for YEARS! and not receiving the gift of tongues, only to be turned away. And then these the 100s who I really doubt have the real thing. But it can only be expected with a tongues base church.
I rarely do speak in tongues now. Its be real cool just getting to know the Lord for the first time like i never did in the GRC. I have English to speak to him with and he understands me, and God can speak to me through his word in English and I can understand him, and by this is all I need.
I really have no time for tongues base churches. Its simple not the Gospel of Christ to say your whole salvation depends on it. To say so, is to be a liar, and deceiver, but this is somthing a real die hard tongues pusher will never see or understand or even wont to understand. sad. Its been so cool to have some fantastic teaches to help me with the "de-tox" from the GRC.
Ok, well this topic is on the end times, must say thers been great reading from different posters.
Fear Fear Fear, the main weopon of the GRC. End times taken out of context to control and manipulate the church the way N.H has done, is a real disgrace!
Cheers
ps
you from the PHILLIPINS? i used to have family that lived there.
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Ex_Member | Share to: #73 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:27/07/2006 10:28 PMCopy HTML
|
||||||
Anonymous | Share to: #74 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:28/07/2006 6:15 AMCopy HTML $%*'`[Bright Shining Light]%*'`@
Hey Wazza (avatar Guru), I'd run with the Saint Sally avatar for awhile but I don't know how to make it stick. Perhaps you could help me? Saint Sally |
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #75 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:28/07/2006 2:48 PMCopy HTML
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WELL THAT WAS SOOOOOOOO FUNNY! LOL
That brought back some memory's of a camping trip i went on with some grc boys. Sally's then single metro boy came as well,
He had his morning and evening face moisturises down patt! lol and also brought masion with wine glass's to drink around the camp fire!
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #76 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:28/07/2006 2:51 PMCopy HTML Dont!!! It comes with a virus that will vapurise your hard drive! LOL!!
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Glad-to be out | Share to: #77 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:28/07/2006 5:24 PMCopy HTML Reply to : Revivals Blood LOL, They try so hard to part of the world that they are meant to be "not of". Maison- trying to be sophisticated and make out it was wine!!!!!!! Remember when GH first got the job with the coffee company, they were having, wait for it, coffee and cheese nights!!!!!! Now that is SOOOOOOooooooo sophisticated. The poor tragic things always trying to be normal, trying to make out that they have a life. Like we said in another post, as soon as they think they are far enough away from the 'Mother Ship" they hit the hard stuff (alcohol) and nearly die when they are sprung, even by "backsliders" like us. ROFL!!!!!!! Cheers, Glad and also brought masion with wine glass's to drink around the camp fire! "Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
|
||||||
Anonymous | Share to: #78 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:28/07/2006 5:58 PMCopy HTML Yes there is a certain couple in one of the assemblies with 5 children who admit they have been drinking for years. (Amongst other things not tolerated in the assemblies) Who are they fooling? If they want to drink and hate the assembly they are in why not just leave. Once again no friends outside and lots of family who would cut them dead in an instant, so let's just continue even if we do hate our lives! hypocrites in Zion, I believe they are. |
||||||
MothandRust | Share to: #79 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:28/07/2006 7:03 PMCopy HTML Just some funny links that were passed onto me recently referring the rapture stuff... it's a funny doctrine.
The Rapture is Immoral So why is the Rapture believed at all then? Because it holds an attractive promise, and comes with a wonderful little perk. Ask nearly any Rapture believer, and they will say that their prime motivation comes from the hope that the Rapture brings: that God loves His children so much that He wishes to spare them from the time of Tribulation. Yet He has not done so for millenia... Since the faith began, Christians have suffered and died for the good news of Jesus Christ. From the early Church enduring persecution by the Roman Empire in the first 3 centuries to the faithful in China and African still suffering death, rape, mutilation, enforced poverty, ethnic cleansing, and slavery today, Christians have always endured tribulation. Jesus Himself made no promises about anything except that we are to die in His name. "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves. But beware of men, for they will hand you over to the courts and scourge you in their synagogues; and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you." (Matthew 10:16-20) And again: "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you." (Matthew 5:11-12) Jesus bids us to take up our crosses and follow Him. This is not merely a metaphor: at the time of Christ, there was a very real danger of being crucified. Yet we here in the western world, the 1st World (and the first shall be last, remember), complain at the slightest inconvenience. When a single insult is hurled or special right taken away from the majority Christian population, cries of persecution are raised. Yet we do not know persecution. We cannot know persecution until armed soldiers burst into our houses, shoot father in the head, rape mother and sister, and haul brother off to slavery simply because we're Christians. Not only have we not endured the cross for His sake, we don't even know the meaning of doing so. So again, what makes the conservative Evangelical proponents of the Rapture so special? Revelation 6:9-11 shows us a scene of the faithful in Heaven pettitioning the Lord: When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also. Why does God not seem to give a damn until violence threatens rich Christians in the 1st World? Why does He see fit for the full number of non-whites to die for the faith, but spares us the time of trial? Shall not a greasy hair on the annointed heads of Baptists, Pentecostals, and non-denominationals be touched by strife or hardship or tirbulation or discomfort? This doctrine of the Rapture should cause no end of moral outrage... Jesus calls us to follow Him, and we create a doctrine that says we won't have to. We live in comfortable excess on the backs of the poor, tired, and huddled masses around the world, and hope to be delivered the momment we're threatened with discomfort. As the old saying goes, we want to have our cake and eat it to: we don't want to live for Christ, and we don't want to die for Him either. But it is easy enough for proponents to look beyond that, because the Rapture also gives yet another handy threat. "Don't be Left Behind!!" Truely, the Tribulation as imagined in such works as Left Behind is little more than the full measure of terrors and horrors that conservative Evangelicals wish on those different from themselves. Before the Rapture was invented, all they could threaten people with was eternal suffering in Hell. Now on top of that, we get unimaginable suffering in the Tribulation, where God will shower non-Evangelicals (as non-Evangelicals, even when Christian, don't tend to believe in the Rapture) with every form of pain, plague, poison, violence, destruction, and suffering they could ever hope. The Tribulation is the emotional shadow of Evangelicals: it is the expression and projection of their own darkest and evilest desires towards their fellow human being. It is the sweaty-palmed anticipation of God performing all the violence an Evangelical ever wished on anybody they didn't like. It is one more pious threat in the aparatus of violence and coercion used by Christian Fundamentalism. Sacred Cow Put it all together, and what have you got? A new Christian Sacred Cow: something held so deeply and vigorously that it becomes unquestionable. Dare to point out that Jesus didn't teach it, and you are accused of calling God a liar. Mention it's lack of historical background, and you are ignored. Preach the immorality of wanting to be Raptured out of martyrdom's way, and you are threatened with being "Left Behind"... At best, the hardcore Rapture proponent will simply mock you or brush you off. At worst, they will condemn you to Hell and even threaten your physical safety. The Rapture doctrine has become a litmus test for "real" Christianity, even though it is not found in any of the Creeds which have served to define Christian orthodoxy for 1700 years - the Apostles', Nicene, and Athanasian Creeds. The dubious interpretation, the Americocentrism, the promise of not having to follow Christ to the grave, all become a part and parcel of this new heterodox "real" Christianity... It is unquestioned and unquestionable. It is a Sacred Cow that has supplanted following Jesus and living for the Kingdom of God. It has become an idol. On these principles - Jesus didn't teach it, dubious Scriptural interpretation, ahistoricity, Americocentrism, immorality, and idolatry - I reject the teaching of the Rapture as, at best a simple error, at worst a pernicious and damaging heresy. Historically, the Christian affirmation has always been "Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again." There is no need to make it more elaborate than that. "He will come again to judge the living and the dead", the Nicene Creed states, and our only concern as Christians is to be ready by living a Christ-like life of love and the Kingdom within, every day of our lives. We needen't make complex doctrinal propositions about it, and we shouldn't devise schemes that legitimize our wealth and our fear of suffering, nor our hatred of others. For doing so, the Rapture simply isn't Christian. And to those who are reading this who are seething at what I have said and chomping at the bit to threaten me with being Left Behind, I say this to you: I only wish I was even half worthy to endure the Tribulation. But alas, I am nothing compared to the great saints and martyrs of Christian history who have suffered and died for His sake... Saint Peter and Saint Paul, Archbishop Oscar Romero, Deitrich Bonhoeffer, the missionaries, Jesus Himself... I am unfit to be counted amongst their number. But if you wish to condemn me to join their ranks, and to suffer the terrors and evils of the Tribulation for His sake, then I am more than pleased to do so. I have no desire to spare myself such a glory. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9094/againstrapture.html Instagram and Twitter: @mothpete
|
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #80 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:29/07/2006 9:58 PMCopy HTML
Hollins would never ever use the word "Rapture" heaven forbid he would use a word that other churchs use! lol but he did preach the lifting up to heaven in our new bodies. Never really remembering giving many talks on rapture type things. Most end time talks where based on fear type things like world war 3, n-bombs, jew-arabs,- i remember a cracker word from T.A in geelong on the real threat the Australia could suffer from a anthrax attack, with him going into detail of the effects, real nice hey? not!
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Anonymous | Share to: #81 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:10/08/2006 9:44 AMCopy HTML Is it just me or do some people do not know how to get along with their neighbours? If I went through what many of them went through I'd be more humble and try to get along with those who's land I stole. But some people think that a WW3 is a good thing. I'm not one of them As I mentioned before power corrupts. . Give a guy some land and a gun and he's going to use them to get more land. |
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #82 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:11/08/2006 1:53 PMCopy HTML
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #83 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:18/08/2006 1:23 PMCopy HTML
Now whats Noal going to use to drill fear into his flock now the Conflict is coming to an end? The missing suite case nukes?
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|
||||||
Anonymous | Share to: #84 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/08/2006 4:39 AMCopy HTML $%*'`[whatreallyhappened.com]%*'`@
|
||||||
Anonymous | Share to: #85 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/08/2006 4:46 AMCopy HTML $%*'`[whatreallyhappened.com]%*'`@
You should read your Mark twain for he got it right. Try Huck Flynn |
||||||
Warrick 007 | Share to: #86 | |||||
Re:End Times Israel Conflict (Prophesy... should we fear it? - mod) Date Posted:24/08/2006 12:34 PMCopy HTML
"is anyone really surprised that Israel violated the cease-fire?" How can you have a cease fire when your got a bunch of Mad Arabs on your door step wonting to blow your country off the face of the map?
"This means the Israelis will continue striking at any targets, especially along the border with Syria, that they deem necessary to stop the "rearmament" of Hezbollah. " Yes and good on them. They have a right to do so. Just like you would have the right if some near where you lived had a rocket launcher aimed at your wife and kids.
A man died and went to heaven. He was met by Jesus and Jesus began to show him around. As they walked they saw some amazing things. Some too beautiful and amazing to describe. Eventually they came to a huge wall and the man heard the sound of music, laughing and what basically sounded like a party coming from behind the wall. Curious, the man asked Jesus what was going on behind the wall.
Jesus answered, "Shhhh!!! Not too loud. That"s the GRC. They think they"re the only ones here!!!"
|