Reply to : Revival Baked     I have one question that has always bothered me. If it ever is "End Times", what does it matter if you are "saved"?

Cheers,

Glad

Yes God is going to punish those that are disobedient to his word, but for those that are obedient and love him we should not have to fear. I think NH has forgotten that God is also a God of love, grace, mercy and understanding

He is going to punish?... but he is merciful and understanding? Let's just hope he's fair enough that the punishments fit the crime and that he's understanding enough that He realises that we're all at different places in our appreciation of life the universe and everything. I'm sure he'll work it out nicely in the end for us all, 'cause he's all smart and graceful and all that.

Glad - I have one question that has always bothered me. If it ever is "End Times", what does it matter if you are "saved"?

Well.. (I might have some facts mixed up but someone step in if I'm wrong please)... if you're a futurist you'd want to be saved to enable yourself good enough for the rapture and be taken off the earth before the vampires rise up and it take over. If you're a historist, you want to be saved and sealed so that your spirit will pass on when the fire comes that will burn our flesh like an oven. If you're a buddhist you want to be really nice to each other or you come back as a toad.

Revival Bashed - "boy that cried wolf" syndrome

Taking the Futurist tac eh RB? The great supposed 7 years of tribulation pieced together from many patchy scriptures is certainly another wolf cry if I've ever heard one. Temple's gonna be rebuilt and seven years of badness on the way... really? That will be something to see and would certainly make the 6 o'clock news - Cool. Is there a rapture somewhere in this plan? If so, I'm curious to know whether you are post, pre or mid tribulationist in belief. I must say I have many issues with the futurist interpretation. The revival churches mostly allign themselves to the historist view.. but I myself see a lot of sense with preterism - IF I was forced to make a choice.

http://www.aimoo.com/forum/postview.cfm?id=443300&CategoryID=148064&startcat=1&ThreadID=1561661

the futurist sees the beast as the future antichrist, the historicist sees the beast of history, the preterist sees the beast in Roman times and the idealist sees a succession of beasts leading up to the antichrist. The futurist writes from the point of view of a church not undergoing persecution now but expects it in the future particularly from the antichrist. The historicist writes from the point of view of current persecution or recent persecution as historical events and finds these in Revelation. The idealist looks to past periods of persecution and sees general principles within Revelation that can explain these. The preterist writes about how Revelation explains the persecution under the Roman empire.

The futurist view was first proposed by two Catholic writers, Lacunza and Ribera. Lacunza wrote under the pen name "Ben Ezra", and his work was banned by the Catholic Church. It has grown in popularity in the 19th and 20th centuries, so that today it is probably most readily recognized. Books about the "rapture" by authors like Hal Lindsey, and the more recent Left Behind novels (byJerry Jenkins and Tim LaHaye) and movies, have done much to popularize this school of thought.

But don't take my word for it all.. or the word of my cut and pastes.. I'm just in the mood for a ramble and an arguement. What could be more important than preparing for the end of the world! Oh... the new Dr Who is on.. catch ya all later.

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Revival Bashed - "boy that cried wolf" syndrome

Taking the Futurist tac eh RB? The great supposed 7 years of tribulation pieced together from many patchy scriptures is certainly another wolf cry if I've ever heard one. Temple's gonna be rebuilt and seven years of badness on the way... really? Is there a rapture somewhere in this plan? If so, I'm curious to know whether you are post, pre or mid tribulationist in belief. I must say I have many issues with the futurist interpretation. The revival churches mostly allign themselves to the historist view.. but I myself see a lot of sense with preterism - IF I was forced to make a choice.

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I dont belief the historist view. 

Like i said, what we chose to believe is our own choise. I started this topic mainly to highlight how N.H users fear of end times to get his way.   I'v forsaken a abusive church, I haven't forsaken Gods word, and I still hold the word of God in great respect and honnor.

cheers

R.B 

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You are right on the mark RB. Ever since I was a small child I can remember NH giving those "end of the world" talks, along with the slide night where it showed the atrociities from the Hiroshima bombing etc. Well this absolutely terrified me that I hated those slide nights and talks. So then as I got older and heard of more trouble brewing in the middle east  I would be terrified out of my mind that I could hardly eat or sleep and that is no exageration. I put that fear down to NHH. Yes God is going to punish those that are disobedient to his word, but for those that are obedient and love him we should not have to fear. I think NH has forgotten that God is also a God of love, grace, mercy and understanding. 

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Yes, I was in high school during the Gulf war. And I was a little hollins fanatic!  LOL!  telling all my school mates word war 3 could happen any day and that they had to come to a meeting to be saved or they would burn in hell for ever.

Reply to : HolyandSinful      I don't think I put across my meaning of  "What does it matter if you are "saved" ? " correctly.

I was meaning, if you believe that you are saved, then you won't be frightened because it is "End Times" because YOU WILL BE OK.

Cheers,

Glad

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Reply to : Revival BakedYes God is going to punish those that are disobedient to his word, but for those that are obedient and love him we should not have to fear. I think NH has forgotten that God is also a God of love, grace, mercy and understandingHe is going to punish?... but he is merciful and understanding? Let's just hope he's fair enough that the punishments fit the crime and that he's understanding enough that He realises that we're all at different places in our appreciation of life the universe and everything. I'm sure he'll work it out nicely in the end for us all, 'cause he's all smart and graceful and allthat.Glad - I have one question that has always bothered me. I

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Reply to : Revival Baked    Yes, regarding Desert Storm,I was running around like an idiot exhorting every one to come along and get saved the Bible way because the  end was nigh.    Most of them still speak to me, they made allowances because, THEY knew I was in a cult.

Cheers,

Glad

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Reply to : HolyandSinfulI don't think I put across my meaning of "What does it matter if you are "saved" ? " correctly.I was meaning, if you believe that you are saved, then you won't be frightened because it is "End Times" becauseYOU WILLBE OK.Cheers,GladReply to : Revival BakedYes God is going to punish those that are disobedient to his word, but for those that are obedient and love him we should not have to fear. I think NH has forgotten that God is also a God of love, grace, mercy and understandingHe is going to punish?... but he is merciful and understanding? Let's just hope he's fair enough that the punishments fit the crime

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Dont worrie Glad now that the GRC trolls are gone, H&S has taken their place,

his the friendly troll, just dont get him started on tongues LOL!!!

Reply to : Anonymous        OOPs, forgot to log on. The last two post were me.

Cheers,

Glad

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Reply to : Revival BakedYes, regarding Desert Storm,I was running around like an idiot exhorting every one to come along and get saved the Bible way because the end was nigh. Most of them still speak to me, they made allowances because, THEY knew I was in a cult.Cheers,Glad

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Reply to : Revival Baked  He IS very good with words isn't he. We won't tell him that though will we, he might get an over inflated ego.

Cheers,

Glad

Dont worrie Glad now that the GRC trolls are gone, H&S has taken their place,histhe friendly troll, j

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Like i said, what we chose to believe is our own choise. I started this topic mainly to highlight how N.H users fear of end times to get his way.   I'v forsaken a abusive church, I haven't forsaken Gods word, and I still hold the word of God in great respect and honnor.

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Certainly  but he's not of the only church to use fear of end times to control the group though...

"Just sayin' is all"

Funny that nearly everyone who goes to Revival believe the historist view of Revelation. I think most people conform to the 'soup of the day' in whatever church they go to... it's easier than trying to convince your friends of something different 'cause that'd just make ya annoying.

I think it would be silly to drop all over views in favour of another when there's some juicy bits from all to put onto the table. There's certainly a delicious parallel of events when you correlate preterism to historism... I suppose you could relate the parallel to futurism if you believed in all that Tim Lahaye Left Behind crap. Prophesy is incredibly accurate when viewed in hindsight... futuresight - notsomuch.

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Reply to : HolyandSinfulI don't think I put across my meaning of "What does it matter if you are "saved" ? " correctly.I was meaning, if you believe that you are saved, then you won't be frightened because it is "End Times" becauseYOU WILLBE OK.

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ohhhhhh.. .of course. If you're saved and you know it clap your hands and laugh at the ones who'll be suffering in the end times. hahahahahahha

Yes well I am the trolly devil's advocate. It'd be remiss of me not to comment on a scriptural viewpoint that comes into the room. It's all good.

Reply to : HolyandSinful     You got it in one H&S, that is exactly what they DO in there. They sit there feeling oh so superior to everyone else on the planet. Their smugness is enough to make you want to puke!!! They rejoice in their "salvation", they are right, everyone else is wrong, they are saved, everyone else isn't, they are God's chosen, everyone else isn't. Blah, blah, blah,PUKE,PUKE, PUKE.

Even the most disgusting, vile creatures in there feel they are superior to everyone else. 

IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME THE HYPOCRISY AND CONCEIT OF THE GRC PTY LTD AND SOME OF THE CHOSEN ONES!!!!!!!!!  

Cheers,

Glad

 If you're saved and you know it clap your hands and laugh at the ones who'll be suffering in the end times. hahahahahahhaYes well I am the trolly devil's advocate. It'd be remiss of me not to comment on a scriptural viewpoint that comes into the room. It's all good.

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 futuresight - notsomuch.

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Time will tell.

Tell me did the RCI up your way, go heavy on the fear talks about word war 3?

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futuresight - notsomuch.Time will tell.Tell medid the RCI up your way, go heavy on the fear talks about word war 3?

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Yes, and that's where Futurism gets its strength. Every day that passes and the rapture doesn't take away the christians is another excuse for saying, 'one day'. Everything is always down the track a bit: temple rebuild, the antichrist, 666 tattooed, the giant Marshmellow man etc.

And uh-huh, the RCI love their end time propaganda. The NZ RCI produced 3 professional documentries about prophesy and endtimes that were circulated like crazy throughout qld and I'm sure other states. I think the videos of these are pretty deteriorated nowadays but I've got the master copies in good condition in storage here... for nostalgic purposes.

You say you don't believe in the Historist view of Revelation. What flaws do you see in its theology? Do you believe in the rapture theory?... that does seem to be an important and integral part of the futurist view. I'd love to unpack the scriptures that are used to support it and discuss them for the benefit of ex-members who are coming to terms with prophetic doctrines outside of the GRC.

Reply to : HolyandSinful    Hi H&S, back from the movies, it was very good. Stayed true to the book, thoroughly enjoyed it.

With regard to discussing "futurist theory" with the ones who are just out and enjoying the sunshine, I think it better to "feed them milk" for awhile just as we were when we were first indoctrinated into the ways of the GRC PTY LTD.

Let the healing process go on for a few years first, but then again, I guess it depends how badly damaged you were when you "walked away" or were spat out at the other end.

I know that I was one screwed up little puppy for a long time.

Actually, what you say is a good idea, but perhaps not in this forum. Maybe the "We Used To Believe" site. I know that I am now ready for some "meat".

Also, please don't take this as a criticism, but we ex GRCers have trouble concentrating (perhaps there are cries of "speak for yourself" happening now) - something to do with the brainwashing techniques used on us by "the Elite Idiots". Maybe, post in instalments - something like a soap opera so that we can take it all in over several episodes.

Cheers,

Glad  

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Reply to : Revival Bakedfuturesight - notsomuch.Time will tell.Tell medid the RCI up your way, go heavy on the fear talks about word war 3?Yes, and that's where Futurism gets its strength. Every day that passes and the rapture doesn't take away the christians is another excuse for saying, 'one day'. Everything is always down the track a bit: temple rebuild,theantichrist, 666 tattooed,the giant Marshmellow man etc.And uh-huh, the RCI love their end time propaganda. The NZ RCI produced 3 professional documentries about prophesy and endtimes that were circulated like crazy throughout qld and I'm sure other states. I think the videos of these are pretty deteriorated nowadays but I've got the master copies in good condition in storage here... for n

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With regard to discussing "futurist theory" with the ones who are just out and enjoying the sunshine, I think it better to "feed them milk" for awhile just as we were when we first indoctrinated into the ways of the GRC PTY LTD.Let the healing process go on for a few years first, but then again, I guess it depends how badly damaged you were when you "walked away" or were spat out at the other end.

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OK... gotcha... let's put in a disclaimer first shall we? We can have this thread tacked into the 'Used To Believe' room later on. I agree, but now that the iron is hot and the subject is topical and in swing, let's keep it going lest it dies somewhere else.

Hear ye! hear ye! all newly ex-converted GRC members who don't wish to discuss or read End times israel conflicts in relation to the four possible views of Revelaton please stop reading now. Do not go any further! Stop. Desist. Cease. Any further reading of an open debate on prophesy is at your own risk and puts at risk your precarious state of beliefs. The name of this thread is a bit of a giveaway though... for cuddles and fire-crackers there's another thread just been started.

I don't think anyone in the GRC or leaving it should be mollycoddled; they have a brain of their own to read and reject whatever they like.I'm sorry to jump on RB's post, which was a good topical observation of what Noel will be doing to keep his sheep in check by use of fearmongering and propaganda and yes, let's continue that thought. But, rather than let the thread go stale I thought it would be interesting to respond to the list of statements he made public concerning his beliefs about what the bible supposedly says about the future of Israel and this planet. If we really are concerned about the fragile milk drinkers who read this site then I certainly don't want to see them fall into another trap via a rebound.

Many Bible prophecy scholars believed the six-day Arab-Israeli war in 1973 was the "beginning of the end." Could what is taking place in Israel today indicate that the end is near? Yes. Does it necessarily mean the end is near? No.

Yes... no... maybe... possibly...

Reply to : HolyandSinful  Go for it Bro, you are on a roll I think????!!!!

Cheers,

Glad

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Reply to : Glad-to be outWith regard to discussing "futurist theory" with the ones who are just out and enjoying the sunshine, I think it better to "feed them milk" for awhile just as we were when we first indoctrinated into the ways of the GRC PTY LTD.Let the healing process go on for a few years first, but then again, I guess it depends how badly damaged you were when you "walked away" or were spat out at the other end.OK... gotcha... let's put in a disclaimer first shall we? We can have this thread tacked into the 'Used To Believe' room later on. I agree, but now that the iron is hot and the subject is topical and in swing, let's keep it going lest it dies somewhere else.Hear ye! hear ye! all newly ex-converted GRC members who don't wish to discussor r

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Reply to : Glad-to be outWith regard to discussing "futurist theory" with the ones who are just out and enjoying the sunshine, I think it better to "feed them milk" for awhile just as we were when we first indoctrinated into the ways of the GRC PTY LTD.Let the healing process go on for a few years first, but then again, I guess it depends how badly damaged you were when you "walked away" or were spat out at the other end.OK... gotcha... let's put in a disclaimer first shall we? We can have this thread tacked into the 'Used To Believe' room later on. I agree, but now that the iron is hot and the subject is topical and in swing, let's keep it going lest it dies somewhere else.Hear ye! hear ye! all newly ex-converted GRC members who don't wish to discussor r

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Hi There H@S,

I know what Glad is saying H.S.   Too much reading for me in one hit. I sort of get mind boggled after a bit . But still it is very interesting with a lot of glowning thrown in as well. I can tell you are a teacher. I guess my mind doesn't need to be stimulated like yours. But if you insist. Like" Babes" I will only absorb what I can. I STILL AGREE WITH GLAD . A lot of your information is better suited in another thread. H.S..... Well go on just don't make them too long......Boy H S.where do you get all  your KNOWLEDGE from. Certainly to  be commended...... WHAT BRAIN POWER YOU HAVE H@S. .....         M.S.

• Hmm, ok... I see where this is heading.
• You don't have to read the whole post, just the first paragraph... everything after that is filler.
• I just want to encourage open minded thinking. You stop learning at death and none of us are dead yet.
• I have little brain power. My spelling and grammar sux. I cut and paste information. I don't use enough conjunctions.
• This is the thread I will discuss prophetic theology.
• I am posting in instalments.
• Does anyone have a remedy for heamorroids?

It's a big bloody planet with about six billion people roaming around it. Some are trying to make it better before they die so their children can use it until they die. Seems pretty pointless but there ya go - life. A lot of people are intent on making it a hell of a place for others and don't really care about any other person that don't happen to exist within their skin.

Most of us have a lineage that originates from mesapotamia - the cradle of civilisation - and the Middle East has a lot of history that has bred inherent feuding between the bipedal lifeforms that have been hanging out in the crib. Over here in Australia and surrounding continents we just had lots of happy natives who lived peaceful lives away from the increasingly unstable mesapotamians. We technology crazed earthly inhabitants like to make weapons and blow shit up. This really sucks for the residents who only want to live the 70 odd years and pass the baton onto the next generation.

This paragraph is yet more filler to serve my sleep disorder and test out the forum readers who can make it past the first two. Congratulations, you made it to the next level. The point is - and I'm just making this up now that I know you're still reading this ramble - the point is that it is truly an amazing world full of incredibly diverse beliefs and origins. There are absolutely mind boggling wonders that we.. we.. we can do ourselves. So many lifestyles you haven't dreamt of that don't have anything to do with organised religion.

Did anyone see Superman Returns? Who do you think made his suit? Originally ma Kent made it from material scraps she found in the original rocket ship, but I just don't buy that. It would take amazing sewing prowess to get that big rubbery looking S shield to attach to the spandex. And the cape! Have you tried to attack a cape to a spandex top? Believe me, it'd be an extaordinary feat.

Reply to : HolyandSinful   Hi H&S You poor thing, haemorrhoids? Remedy - have the op!

Cheers,

Glad    ps. will read the rest of your post tomorrow and offer what assistance I can!!  

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Hmm, ok... I see where this is heading.You don't have to read the whole post, just the first paragraph... everything after that is filler.I just want to encourage open minded thinking. You stop learning at death and none of us are dead yet.I have little brain power. My spelling and grammar sux. I cut and paste information. I don't use enough conjunctions.This is the thread I will discuss prophetic theology.Iamposting in instalments.Does anyone have a remedy for heamorroids?It's a big bloody planet with about six billion people roaming around it. Some are trying to make it better before they die so their children can use it until they die. Seems pretty pointless but there ya go - life. A lot of people are intent on making it a hell of a place for others and

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Reply to : Revival BakedI have one question that has always bothered me. If it ever is "End Times", what does it matter if you are "saved"?Cheers,Glad

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Being "saved" may not protect you from being killed in the end times, but it will save you from going to Hell if you are killed.

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Salvation

Salvation is a personal preference and the need to be saved is entirely dependent on the religion that you choose, not on the desire of some God whose personality is impossible to profile. Do what you need to do to make you feel good....Be the person that you want to be...the rest is just....well it's not in this life and worrying about the next life is no way to live this one. So enjoy what you have while you have it and forget about figuring out how saved you are. A true loving god will see people for who they are not for how good they are at bowing down....and if that's what he's looking for...well then he isn't worth bowing down to or being saved by.

Death and Hell

The issue I have with the whole fundy-christian belief is the fact that God would condemn you to Hell for an eternity just for your beliefs, its one thing to be punished for your crimes, and even then an eternity is too long for most crimes, it's another thing to be punished just because you don't believe in God, even if you have lived an exemplary and moral life.

I certainly don't believe in hell, as an experimental universalist. I do believe in death as a means to reunite us with the creator. With that reasoning your neshamah (eternal soul) goes to She'ol and undergoes a purification process before reuniting with the Source. There is no "hell" in the Hebrew Scriptures. The concept was borrowed from Greek Mythology.

The logical cycle - where do we go?

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Reply to : Glad-to be outReply to : Revival BakedI have one question that has always bothered me. If it ever is "End Times", what does it matter if you are "saved"?Cheers,GladBeing "saved" may not protect you from being killed in the end times, but it will save you from going to Hell if you are killed.

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Reply to : Anonymous  Yes, that is precisely my point. They are supposedly "saved" and yet the fear in the place is truly palpable at times like this. Why fear death if it IS end times if you are going to heaven?

I don't understand. They should be yelling "Bring it on, Lord." Isn't this what all the wait has been for!!!

Cheers, 

Glad 

Reply to : Glad-to be outReply to : Revival BakedI have one question that has always bothered me. If it ever is "End Times", what does it matter if you are "saved"?Cheers,GladBeing "saved" may not protect you from being killed in the end times, but it will save you from going to Hell if you are killed.

        I very rarely post on this site, but I do find it entertaining to read. As an ex-GRCer from Vancouver I would like to say that I don't really believe the bible as 100% true. Let me clarify that even more, I don't even think it is 31% true. It is a wonderful group of stories put together by men who believed in God, and wanted a way to have other live their life the way these "Men of God" chose to be right. That being said I believe in God 100%, and live my life according to the "Way" he has showed to me. I don't know anything about your "End of Times" or the futurist, historist, blah blah blah, but what has bugged me for some time is this whole "Hell" thing. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked "Hell" was not where bad people went, and for those of you who believe the bible as 100% 'Gospel" (sorry for the pun) truth, you should know that it's not a bad place at all. I like to look at it this way:fficeffice" />

          I am not a man, and therefore could NEVER be a father, so please bare with me and correct me if I'm wrong. A father loves his children unconditionally (my daddy tells me so), and God is our father, correct? So how can a God, who is perfect, and without fault, who loves his children, ever condemn them to a "Burning, Fiery Furnace" for the little mistakes they make? I know for a fact that I could rob a bank, lie to a friend, or shoot some guy in the eye, and my daddy would still love me, and not send me to some place of "Weeping and Gnashing of teeth". So I ask you all, how could a God, who is supposed to be without fault, and who is supposed to love his children, condemn all those who a few say are "Unsaved" to a place so horrific that we can't even comprehend it? Do I feel that there are some people who need to be punished for the things they have done here on Earth? Absolutely! But do I think that a man like Clifford Olsen (he killed 11 children for those of you not Canadian) will get the same punishment as a man who steals a loaf of bread? NO!!! But according to the "God of the Bible" they deserve the same because "a sin is a sin".

            I prefer to live in the thought that God is a father, who loves his children, and that he is not some manic being who changes the way he feels on a whim, and would choose to punish his children, who he created, in such a sadistic way that we would all receive the same beatings regardless of the "crime".

            To keep all those of you who disagree with my thinking happy in your own little worlds, just keep telling yourself that I am a person who doesn't believe in the Bible way of thinking, and that I am just a heathen who left the "church" to follow a God who loves, and cherishes his children.  I don't believe in Hell, and certainly don't believe in the "One God, One Church", and I really don't believe that only "Christians" will be in heaven. But hey, that's just one "Backslider" talking. You can sleep soundly knowing that we really have no way of ever knowing who's actually right. But just for the record, I'm right and you're wrong!!!!!

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I very rarely post on this site, but I do find it entertaining to read. As an ex-GRCer from Vancouver I would like to say that I don't really believe the bible as 100% true. Let me clarify that even more, I don't even think it is 31% true. It is a wonderful group of stories put together by men who believed in God, and wanted a way to have other live their life the way these "Men of God" chose to be right. That being said I believe in God 100%, and live my life according to the "Way" he has showed to me. I don't know anything about your "End of Times" or the futurist, historist, blah blah blah, but what has bugged me for some time is this whole "Hell" thing. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked "Hell" was not where bad peop

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I can understand how you feel, but you contradict yourself when you say that you don't beleive in the bible but you beleive in god, when the bible is the very same book that  says to you to get baptized and  a miracle would happen, you received the miracle of speaking in tongues. I  guess you don't beleive that either  then.

 It's easier to make yourself think  that everything is a story and that the Lord is not watching or care, cause then it becomes easier to sin and not feel guilty about it. but hey, it's your life in the end it will be just between you and the Lord.

You sound very familiar to me, very funny, I wonder if I'm correct.fficeffice" />

    Just to correct you, and state your complete wrong-ness in what you just said. If you read my post you will see that I CLEARLY said that I don't believe the bible is 100%, not I don't believe any of it. Something you need to remember is that God pre-dates the Bible, and the knowledge of God pre-date written word, so not believing the bible and not believing in God are 2 completely different things. What about all those writings that didn't make it to the bible? The ones that were written before the "Chosen" scriptures that compile the bible? Obviously they are absolute garbage, and we should just blindly follow that if it's not in the bible, it must be wrong.

    You sound like you haven't left you GRC thinking behind you in the GRC, and if you are who I think you might be, then, well, live, learn and grow. Age has nothing to do with knowledge, and judgment is not something that anyone has the right to bestow. I left and took a long time to find my footing, and I can safely state that I will accept the fact that I might be wrong. Muslims might have the right way, heck, Wiccans might be walking the true path, but the last time I checked no one had a direct line to God, and so no one could state who is right or wrong. Yes I do speak in tongues, but that is not the only line in that scripture as being a "sign". Go and drink some Drano and then tell me if you're still alive, cause drinking any deadly thing is in there too, or are we picking and choosing the lines we use in the bible so that it serves our purpose?? Go ahead, throw some more Bible scriptures at me, I can go on all night, I may not agree with a lot of the writings in there, but that doesn't mean I don't know it back to front. I'll dance if you want, but in the end, you'll run out of words and I'll keep throwing contradictory scriptures at you, I have tons!

    Who's to say right or wrong, all I know is the last time I checked I have friends who love me, a boyfriend who loves me, and my family to be there in good or bad, all of them. I have a job I love, a new car, a nice little apartment that I just adore, but I guess that it all just means that Satan is giving it to me, and I couldn't just be happy because that's what God wants. Huh, I guess that I have to rethink my whole life based on one little book that the Romans put together. Oh wait a minute, aren't they the ones who killed Jesus in the first place? Wow, and they're the ones who you rely on to tell you how to live? I prefer to listen to the "Still Small Voice" that I have to show me the way, but hey, that could just be Elvis talking to me I guess since I'm just living my life in sin and making excuses for it all. You should just go back to the GRC and burry your head in the sand, I bet you were happier there. And if you're going to try and accuse me, maybe make sure you read my posts before making quotes on them, you'll find that you'll be less embarrassed that way.

    Oh and if I am living in "sin", please let me know what that sin is, so that I might reflect upon my life and rectify the situation. I am willing to at least admit I may be wrong, are you??? I am open for any PM's if you're game.

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I can understand how you feel, but you contradict yourself when you say that you don't beleive in the bible but you beleive in god, when the bible is the very same book that  says to you to get baptized and  a miracle would happen, you received the miracle of speaking in tongues. I  guess you don't beleive that either  then.

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HI Sasabee

Love your style. Awesome.

It's easy to believe in God without fully believing in the infallibility of the bible. Millions of people do it every day. Some live in bliss, others are getting the crap beaten out of them. meh, wattaryagonnado? That's life. It rains on the just, the unjust, the dickheads and the weekends.

Speaking in gibberish that no one understands is hardly a miracle.Honestly, let's sort that one out quicksmart. What the heck is so miraculous about it? My kids did it for the first few years of their lives until they developed a grasp of basic English. If other people understood you in their own tongue I might stand up and take notice but... that doesn't happen (outside of the odd urban myth or two). As it stands, it's just random gibberish that anyone can do after a few drinks.

Now walking on water or something else. That's more miraculous... water to wine even better. Love that trick.

Reply to : Anonymous  How come poor old Sasabee became a "sinner" just because she put forward some ideas from the Old Testament which is part of THE Bible and is the basis of the Jewish faith.

The GRC doctrine seems to make people into bigots and zealots and their biggotry and zeal doesn't really have anything to do with following the teachings of the Lord.

The Lord or in Sasabees case God, is a kind loving father who shows compassion to His followers. The Lord of the GRC PTY LTD is a totally different guy to the one spoken of in the Bible. GRC version is a bigot and a zealot lacking understanding and compassion just like the CEO of the company. NHH

Glad 

Reply to : SasabeeI very rarely post on this site, but I do find it entertaining to read. As an ex-GRCer from Vancouver I would like to say that I don't really believe the bible as 100% true. Let me clarify that even more, I don't even think it is 31% true. It is a wonderful group of stories put together by men who believed in God, and wanted a way to have other live their life the way these "Men of God" chose to be right. That being said I believe in God 100%, and live my life according to the "Way" he has showed to me. I don't know anything about your "End of Times" or the futurist, historist, blah blah blah, but what has bugged me for some time is this whole "Hell" thing. I'm sorry, but the last time I checked "Hell" was not where bad peopI can understand how you fe

Conflict in the middle east is an opportunity for NHH to put his people under fear and control.  He will use any excuse to control poor GRC members.  If there is a conflict he will use all those scriptures which point to wars and rumours of war.  And if there is no wars around he will use that scripture which says 'when there is peace and safety sudden distruction comes...etc.'    So actually NHH is not interested in building GRC members, he uses every possible excuses to put GRC people under bondage, fear and control. 

Actually he uses every available resources to him (scriptures, man power, money, law, relationship etc.) at any given time, to keep GRC members in his fear to exercise control  over them. 

I am sure, those GRC members who read this, would think that we are backsliders and we have lost vision and therefore we have no respect for NHH.  Well, it is not us who have lost vision nor you have lost vision, it is NHH who have lost vision.     

Reply to : From Brisbane    Hi FB,  you are absolutely right. It is a shame that others can't see NHH as we do. No matter what the situation is in the world, it is always "End Times" for NHH.

If the chosen ones are staying in the GRC PTY LTD to protect their "salvation", the price is their life, while they are here on earth.

Too great a price for anyone, to be deprived of a life because of a FOOL and his doctrine.

Cheers,

Glad

Conflict in the middle east is an opportunity for NHH to put his people under fear and control. He will use any excuse to control poor GRC members. If there is a conflict he will use all those scriptures which point to wars and rumours of war. And if there is no wars around he will use that scripture which says 'when there is peace and safety sudden distruction comes...etc.' So actually NHH is not interested in building GRC members, he uses every possible excuses to put GRC people under bondage, fear and control.Actually he uses every available resources to him (scriptures, man power, money, law, relationship etc.) at any given time, to keep GRC members in his fear to exercise control over them.I am sure, those GRC members who read this, would thinkthat we arebacksliders and we have lo

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I can understand how you feel, but you contradict yourself when you say that you don't beleive in the bible but you beleive in god, when the bible is the very same book that  says to you to get baptized and  a miracle would happen, you received the miracle of speaking in tongues. I  guess you don't beleive that either  then.

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LOL!! now that's a GRC responce if I ever heard one

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Go and drink some Drano and then tell me if you're still alive, cause drinking any deadly thing is in there too, or are we picking and choosing the lines we use in the bible so that it serves our purpose?? Go ahead, throw some more Bible scriptures at me, I

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Yes that is so true. They pick  a few verse's from  parts of the bible, build a whole doctrine on them, and forget the rest.

 If Mark 16:16 interpreted according to the GRC  forms part of ones salvation message then (for example) why DOESN'T casting out demons? I never saw this at the GRC. I tryed it once there, this guy walked in of the street and went out in the prayer line. I and Graham Hollins began to pray for him, as i thought the guy was wonting salvation I just prayed that the lord would lead and bring him to salvation. But then the guy  started to really "shake" and i mean shake to the point where we couldn't hold him and then he fell to the floor . So then i thought he must have a demon,  so i started yelling out "Come out of him in the name of Jesus! I command you satan to come out and leave him alone" LOL, but nothing happened. 

Or drinking poison or Drano as you put it,or picking up snakes? If your 'literal' interpretation "one" as a must, well then all the others need to be as well.

Gotcha RB, good point.

The evidence given in Mark 16 was figurative, at best,  of five characteristics followers would display if they followed the Jesus' philosophy. Of course these simple traits would be manipulated by centuries of translators, kings and priests who had their own agendas and opinions. Jesus had a lot of nice stuff to say in the good book but they don't relate to how Mark 16 is interpreted through the ages.

Five signs - all pretty cryptic - covering how they would treat themselves and others, that are certainly not exclusive or conclusive.

They would care for and attempt to heal the sick (yes attempt - even if you put a supernatural connotation to this 'sign' it's still an attempt to heal). No one has ever had the power to heal all the sick they encounter. No one. Nobody. Some claim to be specially gifted in this supernatural area but nup... nup.. nup... scripturally speaking, Jesus had a good only track record of healing everyone He came into contact with.. but NO ONE since has had a similar record.

I tell you what though... our hard working medical community is pretty freaking under appreciated by some of the Christian community.

The will take on new outwardly communicative vocabulary - Tongues... if you must. What they say and broadcast will identify them as christians (not the embarrasing stutter we practice nowadays).

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Reply to : SasabeeGo and drink some Drano and then tell me if you're still alive, cause drinking any deadly thing is in there too, or are we picking and choosing the lines we use in the bible so that it serves our purpose?? Go ahead, throw some more Bible scriptures at me, IYes that is so true. They pick a few verse's from parts of the bible, build a whole doctrine on them,and forget the rest.IfMark 16:16 interpreted according to the GRC forms part of onessalvation message then (for example) why DOESN'T casting out demons? I never saw this at the GRC. I tryed it once there,this guy walked in of the streetand went out in the prayer line. I and Graham Hollins began to pray for

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Hi R.B.

  I'M SHOCKED   R.B.  Gee you have come a long way   from your  "PURITANICAL" ways !!!!!!! in the G.R.C. front line doing your duty  for "NODDY NUFFER" You must have felt honoured laying hands on the sick for your BOSS (N.H.) Sorry R.B. just taking the "Mickey" How I know you on this forum,I didn't think that would be your go.YOU SURE HAVE DONE AN ABOUT TURN.  Great stuff  R.B.  Gee, you even had your speel said perfectly.( Trying to cast out the demons ) out of that poor soul.  Did you say too  " GET THEE BEHIND THEE SATAN"   You have brought all those memories back to me after all these years  How I do appreciate my move way back then to come back into the REAL WORLD.  M.S

               Don't get me wrong I do believe in prayer to heal,but not the way they do it. I have never seen any true results.   

The following is the philosophy of Charles Schultz, the creator of the "Peanuts" comic strip.

"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." (Charles Schultz)

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1 Thessalonians 5:1  ?ut of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6  ?herefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

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One is funny, one is not so.  Both could be considered wise, but (imo) one excels the other. One speaks of a temporal interest, one speaks of an eternal interest (again..imo).
pastinaca
Hmm.. what should I believe.. the word or the nut.

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Hmm.. what should I believe.. the word or the nut.

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Dont know, but this book may help you.

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For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape

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"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." (Charles Schultz) Hmm.. what should I believe.. the word or the nut.

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Schultz was a pretty wise guy and far from a nut (that is until he sold out his characters and let them become an exploited embarrassment). He often said that "the only theology is no theology". What you've already quoted from Charles reminds me of the following verse. It's a favourite of mine... there's enough crap happening today without worrying about the unknowns of the future. They'll happen in good time regardless.

1 Matthew 6:34

Take therefore no thought for the morrow:

for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself.

Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

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1 Thessalonians 5:1  ?ut of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.3  

One is funny, one is not so.  Both could be considered wise, but (imo) one excels the other. One speaks of a temporal interest, one speaks of an eternal interest (again..imo).

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The day of the Lord

Well, in my opinion... The day of the Lord refered to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and look I've even got scriptures to back up that idea:

• The phrase "the day of the Lord" (TDOL) occurs 26 times in the OT but not always referring to a future event and are not all regarding the final armegeddon you fear. eg. Babylon is directly addressed in Isaiah (13:1, 19) and the Medes are said to be the instrument of Babylon's destruction (13:17).

• Then is is used as a warning to Egypt (46:2) and to the Pharaoh of Jeremiah's day. Jeremiah also used this phrase in Lamentations: Lam. 2:22 Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed. (note the past tense for the DAY of the Lord)

Conclusion: "The day of the Lord" is a general phrase of judgment that can describe the final eschatological judgment of the world, but more often describes any forthcoming day of judgment. What "day" is in mind is determined by context, not merely by the phrase itself.

http://www.tektonics.org/esch/dayofl.html

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1 Matthew 6:34

Take therefore no thought for the morrow:

for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself.

Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

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                Not to loude H&S,  N.H will have no draw card to scare people with end time talks and keep em in with fear! with that verse!

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Not to loude H&S,  N.H will have no draw card to scare people with end time talks and keep em in with fear! with that verse!

Some take the warring as a means to instil fear in their congregations to stay in line and tremble. Others, like in the forums I've been reading at 'Rapture ready'  boards are rejoicing and clapping the immenent return of Jesus while the tragedy of fallen human lives are reported on the news. Not sure who makes me sicker.

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Funny just how many people I remember who where told they where speaking in tongues in the GRC, but truth is they where just saying the same few lines over and over again, year in and year out. Hey don't get my wrong, i still personally  believe in it, But NO! where in the whole of Gods word does he command that every body must speak in tongues. 

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Uh-huh, repeating the same lines over and over again is a bit of a sham. That's part of the game and for some reason a lot of people get sucked into it.

You say you still believe in tongues. What aspect of it do you now believe? Enquiring minds can't help but ask...

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You say you still believe in tongues. What aspect of it do you now believe? Enquiring minds can't help but ask...

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lol, i just knew that one was coming! Let my try and word my answer right.

Ok on two different ocassions ,I had 2 different peoeple who weren't christains tell my what i was saying when they heard me pray. Yes hard to beleive i know. But I sware its true.

So for me i gess thats one reason why.

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lol, i just knew that one was coming! Let my try and word my answer right.Ok on two differentocassions ,I had 2 different peoeple who weren't christainstell my what i was saying when they heard me pray. Yes hard to beleive i know. ButI sware its true.So for me i gess thats one reason why.

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Ha ha... yep, I try not to miss much. Hmm, you're hanging your hat on that eh? Well, I certainly can't argue with something you personally experienced... or, more to the point, two others experienced it who don't classify as christians in your opinion. I suppose I could argue the point that Paul said "When you speak in tongues, no man understands because you speak to God" , but we've all been there before and it can be bent a few ways.

What did they say you said during the moments of ecstatic glossalalia? Interesting, because two lines of thought come into play when applying a biblical mythos to the argument. Only two scriptural references back up the idea that someone could interpret 'tongues'.

1. The were using one of the three voice gifts... but we'd have to rule that out seeing you say they weren't even Xtain.
2. They heard you 'speak in their tongues the wonderful works of God' like in acts 2. But seems sort of pointless. meh...

So it's either a prayer language to God (who can read your thoughts anyway) or it's a 'Babel fish' translator that is sorely underused and a bit like tits on a bull nowadays, but could certainly be useful when teaching English as a Second Language at school. In that case it's a reduntant gift that is used to fill the gaps in between talks at a prayer and fast.

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Reply to : Revival Bakedlol, i just knew that one was coming! Let my try and word my answer right.Ok on two differentocassions ,I had 2 different peoeple who weren't christainstell my what i was saying when they heard me pray. Yes hard to beleive i know. ButI sware its true.So for me i gess thats one reason why.Ha ha... yep, I try not to miss much. Hmm, you're hanging your hat on that eh? Well, I certainly can't argue with something you personally experienced... or, more to the point,two others experienced itwho don't classify as christians in your opinion. I suppose I could argue the point that Paul said "When you speak in tongues, no man understands because you speak to God" ,but we've all been there before and it can be bent a few ways.

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Well what they both told me was that I was speaking a dialect of spanish. Not just words but whole sentances that where speaking of Gods glory.

 But hey, I think i would need alot more than this to change your mind on tongues, lol..lol!!

Hope my new avatar is not to over the top!?  LOL!!

Snakechic -

Its  ironic to imagine christians watching the tv in the comfort of their lounge chair while kids in Lebanon are being blown to bits.!  Apparently I'm not the only one online who is insenced about it all.

to quote ....(harpers online etc.)

"Little kids are getting blown to pieces and these people are fucking celebrating it as the glory of gawd and the coming of Jeebus.

Now who has a dark worldview, these maniacs or those of us we believe we get one life and we'd better make it a damn good one?"

Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006. It turns out there's an upside to the current conflict between Israel and Hezbollah?if you're waiting for the second coming of Christ. Here's a selection of excited messages spotted over the last few days on the Rapture Ready/End Times Chat online bulletin board. By Ken Silverstein.

Praise God! We are chosen to be in these times and also watch and spread the word. Something inside me is exploding to get out, and I don't know what it is. Its kind of like I want to do cartwheels around the neighborhood.

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In another thread, someone brought up the fact that the kidnapping of the first Israeli soldier that started this whole thing was on June 25th and if you count from that day to August 3rd.......it is *EXACTLY 40 days!!!!!*

I find that to be a HUGE coincidence.

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A question just popped in my head. Do you think children of around say 7 or 8 (but before the age of accountability) that have been indoctrinated up until that time by their parents religious beliefs will be raptured? . . . For example, would a 7 year old muslim be raptured? I know G-d will do right but I was just wondering everyone's thoughts. I hate to think of kids being left here.

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Got that dancing feeling on the inside of me.

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This is the busiest I've ever seen this website in a few years! I have been having rapture dreams and I can't believe that this is really it! We are on the edge of eternity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Whoa! I can sure feel the glory bumps after reading this thread!

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I too am soooo excited!! I get goose bumps, literally, when I watch what's going on in the M.E.!! And Watcherboy, you were so right when saying it was quite a day yesterday, in the world news, and I add in local news here in the Boston area!! Tunnel ceiling collapsed on a car and killed a woman of faith, and we had the most terrifying storms I have ever seen here!! But, yes, oh happy day, like in your screen name , it is most indeed a time to be happy and excited, right there with ya!!

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I am excited beyond words that the struggle of this life may be over soon and I can finally be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

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This is so exciting....I'm having a hard time believing this is ?real'!

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source (Ed Bab)

Here it is...the same thing quote ..'This poor deluded lady believed "Jesus is coming soon", so earnestly, she had it printed on her car door -- but Jesus didn't come, and that picture was taken around 1940."

still waiting for that good ol' "end times' prophesy... &

 I'mAgettin'....a wee bit bemused that it appears to be A- Okay to speak of the destruction of the entire planet as if it were some cheesey scifi movie?? but  lets not make it personal....huh?

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Well what they both told me was that I was speaking a dialect of spanish. Not just words but whole sentances that where speaking of Gods glory. But hey, I think i would need alot more than this to change your mind on tongues, lol..lol!!

Hope my new avatar is not to over the top!?  LOL!!

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Love the new avatar

Revival Baked/bashed/bludgeoned/buried/bonked

Thanks for humouring me with the tongue questioning... and lol yes, it'd take more than heresay for me to believe something like tongues again. If that was the case I'd be believing alien abductions and the like. Cheers.

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Well what they both told me was that I was speaking a dialect of spanish. Not just words but whole sentances that where speaking of Gods glory.

 But hey, I think i would need alot more than this to change your mind on tongues, lol..lol!!

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Hi RB...I believe you!...I was told once by some saved Filipinos that I had the gift of tongues in Tagalog, which is their native language, and it was interpreted word for word by a non Filipino who didn't know any Tagalog.  I've also heard of many instances similar to yours where languages were recognized.

I know what I received was, and still is a miracle to me.  I love praying in tongues...like Paul said, "my spirit prays".