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Date Posted：24/01/2011 9:42 PMCopy HTML I have my doubts about this so called church. A friend of mine has become involved in it and over the last few months they have really lost the plot. They refuse to discuss any of what goes on at the church with me and never wants to hear any of my thoughts on the issue. This leads me to believe that it must be some sort of cult and obviously suggests to its members that it is better to go into hiding and keep all of the mumbo jumbo to yourself. It worries me that my friend has been a bit depressed recently and in my experience that appears to be the time that these left wing churches grab you!! Are my thoughts valid or not?
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：26/01/2011 12:04 PMCopy HTML Yes of course, you are right, aren't you?! You don't want to hear that you are not right, do you?!
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：26/01/2011 1:52 PMCopy HTML
Yep, some time after I walked away from the group, I met up with an associate who is still a member and upon asking about how things were going in this so called church, his reaction was; "he could talk to me about anything at all but assembly and related matters, not even about the Lord". That's how they bind people to what's really going on about them as they are kept in darkness. I hope and pray your friend has the courage to get out while he/she is able. You also. I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：26/01/2011 10:48 PMCopy HTML guest,
after having investigated this church and looked at its own website and other sources i strongly believe that my concerns are well founded. Biblianut, Thanks for your insight into your experience. i am not involved in this church and nor do i wish to be. with any luck my friend will see it for what it is and not get sucked into the depths of its beliefs. i have decided not to push them to remove themselves from the church but instead i am trying to keep my opinions to myself and remain neutral in the hope thet they will realise that i am right. |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：27/01/2011 7:42 AMCopy HTML guest,
other sources? You will always find other sources that approve what you want to hear. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：27/01/2011 10:21 AMCopy HTML Guest,
You do well to have concerns about them. In short, pithy terms, the RF is a non-Christian, heretical sect. Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：27/01/2011 11:19 AMCopy HTML ha, ha, the teacher himself. Explain "heretical" and explain "sect"
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：27/01/2011 11:33 AMCopy HTML ha, ha, the teacher himself. Explain "heretical" and explain "sect"
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：27/01/2011 12:56 PMCopy HTML Good evening, Stefan.
ha, ha, the teacher himself. Explain "heretical" and explain "sect". Certainly. 'Heretical' means, 'pertaining to heresy'; whilst a 'sect' is 'a religious denomination characterized by insistence on strict qualifications for membership, as distinguished from the more inclusive groups called churches.' Here's the math: false teaching + legalism = RF. Please give my regards to Piet, you goose. Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：27/01/2011 1:51 PMCopy HTML Reply to Guest guest, other sources? You will always find other sources that approve what you want to hear. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. Hi there, Nice scriptures, I think you will find most christians walking in spirit and truth, ie serving God and not an organisation, will not contest this. It's the other wacky things; midnight curfew where I am, my mate in the RF says it's good because there are lots of drunks on the road at night and so it's good to be off the road so you don't run them down. The thing is, a lot of this stuff is peddled and even though no biblical backing exists, they give subjective reasoning to justify it and make it sound like it's in your best interest to do it. It really messes with your head. But really, midnight curfew ain't in the bible. Period. All christians should be taught to look at the bible objectively to find the answers, then they wouldn't live in fear or be swayed by 'every wind of doctrine' The fact a church might preach acts 2:38 or any other scripture doesn't give them any right to impose ridiculous childish restrictions on members. This is what cults do. Take a look at the original post. "I have my doubts about this so called church. A friend of mine has become involved in it and over the last few months they have really lost the plot. They refuse to discuss any of what goes on at the church with me and never wants to hear any of my thoughts on the issue." Looking at the above, aren't we christians supposed to spread the news? But see how the RF style of teaching can breed fear. I've found that people outside the group can see a lot of the wacky stuff straight away, because they have not been conditioned. They just see it for what it is. Remember my friend, it's not about your pastor or my pastor, or your thoughts and my thoughts, it's about what the bible says. You ain't going to get special treatment when you meet the G-man because you go to RF - you will be judged like the rest of Gods church - the body of christ. There is ONE Lord and ONE body. RF members need better teaching on this imo. Show me the bible case for permanently removing someone from the church, after they divorce. For any reason. For the original poster, and anyone else, you need to be right with God. If you believe that Jesus came to take your sins, you should be baptised in water and of the Holy Ghost. Then do what your bible says. Many here will disagree, but you will ultimately make up your own mind. |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：27/01/2011 2:49 PMCopy HTML Guest,
Nice thoughts, and largely correct, but in no way applicable to your fellowship. You ain't going to get special treatment when you meet the G-man because you go to RF - you will be judged like the rest of Gods church - the body of christ. There is ONE Lord and ONE body. RF members need better teaching on this imo. What the RF needs to do is realise that they aren't a part of the Body to begin with. The false gospel that your sect promotes prevents you from being considered a Christian group, and it precludes you from corporate inclusion in the Christian Church. Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：28/01/2011 8:43 AMCopy HTML To Ian
Sorry, nice try but wrong name. Interesting explanation, but not the right one:) |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：29/01/2011 1:42 AMCopy HTML Good morning, again.
Sorry, nice try but wrong name. Interesting explanation, but not the right one:) Is it? Let's wait and see, shall we? But given that you've decided to pay us a visit, how can we help you, exactly? Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：31/01/2011 12:01 AMCopy HTML my friend has now decided to head off to the wednesday night meetings now. they have made sure that they put in that it was their choice as to when they went or didn't go. time will tell if they complete the brain washing amd have them going every waking hour. it has placed a great strain on our relationship and i am wanting to support them but i can't bring myself to support them in something like this. i am sure that they have done a job my friend that will be hard to reverse!
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：31/01/2011 11:48 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest my friend has now decided to head off to the wednesday night meetings now. they have made sure that they put in that it was their choice as to when they went or didn't go. time will tell if they complete the brain washing amd have them going every waking hour. it has placed a great strain on our relationship and i am wanting to support them but i can't bring myself to support them in something like this. i am sure that they have done a job my friend that will be hard to reverse! You should go along. There's nothing like seeing things with your own eyes. |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：31/01/2011 11:52 AMCopy HTML "You should go along. There's nothing like seeing things with your own eyes."
Yeah, kinda like the freak shows at at old time sideshow allies... Instagram and Twitter: @mothpete
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：31/01/2011 9:25 PMCopy HTML probably a good point to go along and have a look. the trouble is that i wouldn't be able to contain my scepticism at what they are carrying on about. best i stay away and see if i can get them to tell me whats going on.
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：01/02/2011 5:35 AMCopy HTML
The RF Pastors guidelines have just been put up on a post, RF RULES AND REGS post 42, maybe print that out and leave it out on the coffee table, to stimulate conversation, that way your friend can see how the heart of the organisation beats, the more you both know the quicker you can both see the truth, and then truth will then set you free from the legalistic authoritariasm cult like control the Church leaders have on the flock. Not sure where you are with your own family or plans for that etc, but in the long term you would never ever want your kids brought up in that legalistic environment, that's why we got out. Rci / RF have substituted Love and trust for, legalism, rules and control over its members. Please be careful Im_out
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：01/02/2011 10:29 AMCopy HTML Out,
You forgot to mention that what the various Revivalist groups preach, their so-called 'salvation message', is actually heresy. Or, perhaps, you don't believe this is the case? Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：07/02/2011 11:22 PMCopy HTML After leaving the RF 10 years ago, I still feel guilty about everything I do. I was "brought up in the Lord", as they love to put it, and they succeeded in wiring my brain to think it's their way or HELL!!!! I want to do the right thing with God but I'm so damn confused about religion right now. Anyone know of a good church to go to? I heard the Potters House is decent?!?!
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：07/02/2011 11:34 PMCopy HTML Guest, for what it's worth, I suggest finding the most orthodox/traditional church you can. If you have been exposed to a lot of crazy theology/doctrine, you need to get a counter balance to this, which is genuinely orthodox teaching.
Find the church nearest you where the only people there are old and the minister talks in a monotone. Find the church that sings old hymns from the 18th century and the only 'teaching' you receive is when the minister/priest reads from Scripture - and nothing else! Sit and listen. Put aside your prejudices of old, stuffy, traditional churches - if you have any in Australia, but I'm sure you do! Soak up the tradition, listen only to scripture and the wise interpretations of the monotoned minister. Talk and drink tea with the old people. Sing the old hymns quietly, then with gusto when you've learned their unfamiliar melodies and strange words written in the most beautiful of tongues. None of that 'lift me higher' ****. Then when at home, read books and sermons written and preached by those great old preachers, Spurgeon, Wesley, the Pope, etc. Most of all, read the Bible and study it for yourself, whilst praying that God will reveal the truth of the Scriptures. Pray for clarity and enlightenment. Ingest all this then go back to a crazy church and you'll see it for what it really is. |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：08/02/2011 2:36 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest Guest, for what it's worth, I suggest finding the most orthodox/traditional church you can. If you have been exposed to a lot of crazy theology/doctrine, you need to get a counter balance to this, which is genuinely orthodox teaching. Find the church nearest you where the only people there are old and the minister talks in a monotone. Find the church that sings old hymns from the 18th century and the only 'teaching' you receive is when the minister/priest reads from Scripture - and nothing else! Sit and listen. Put aside your prejudices of old, stuffy, traditional churches - if you have any in Australia, but I'm sure you do! Soak up the tradition, listen only to scripture and the wise interpretations of the monotoned minister. Talk and drink tea with the old people. Sing the old hymns quietly, then with gusto when you've learned their unfamiliar melodies and strange words written in the most beautiful of tongues. None of that 'lift me higher' ****. Then when at home, read books and sermons written and preached by those great old preachers, Spurgeon, Wesley, the Pope, etc. Most of all, read the Bible and study it for yourself, whilst praying that God will reveal the truth of the Scriptures. Pray for clarity and enlightenment. Ingest all this then go back to a crazy church and you'll see it for what it really is. Wow, that is very close to what I did. I went to a Presbyterian Church and it was similar to your description but perhaps a bit more vibrant. Best thing I have ever done in my life, I got to see just how uninformed GRC teaching was and how far from the truth of the Bible. Also found the Christians generally a lot more genuine and kind hearted. The Bible now also makes complete sense to me. I also would highly recommend the same to anyone caught in any of the "Revival" groups, you will be amazed, and also disapointed with the ministry you had previously, with its ill informed and narrow view of Scripture. ¡uıɐƃɐ ʎɐqǝ ɯoɹɟ pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ƃuıʎnq ɹǝʌǝu
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：08/02/2011 3:50 AMCopy HTML Guest,
After leaving the RF 10 years ago, I still feel guilty about everything I do. I was "brought up in the Lord", as they love to put it, and they succeeded in wiring my brain to think it's their way or HELL!!!! I want to do the right thing with God but I'm so damn confused about religion right now. Anyone know of a good church to go to? I heard the Potters House is decent?!?! The very first thing that you need to do is realise that being brought up 'in the RCI/RF', and being brought up 'in the Lord', are two very different things! The second thing you probably should do is avoid any and all forms of Pentecostalism, certainly in the short to mid term. These kinds of groups will just reinforce a lot of the nonsense that you were fed in Revivalism. The 'Potter's House' denomination should be expressly given a very wide berth; they share in common far too many of the sectarian/'cultic' controlling practices of Revivalism, and they have a somewhat 'shady' reputation within Christian circles. Better by far to seek out a church that sits squarely in the historic Christian tradition (either pre- or post- Reformation), one which has trained and supervised ministers, a church that engages with their local community, is active in helping others both within and without, and which values interdependance and connectedness. Oh, and such places don't comprise only 'old' people, or have preachers who favour monotone sermons, or are places where the congregation sings only hymns written by Charles Wesley! Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：08/02/2011 10:25 PMCopy HTML Thanks for the prompt replies guys. I'll start looking for a more orthodox one to go to. Hopefully I'll find one where I can just sit and listen for a while without being hounded for being a newbie like the RF did. Is what the RF say about "speaking in tongues" true? That you have to speak in tongues to be right with God? Or is that THEIR own interpretation of it?
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：09/02/2011 12:08 AMCopy HTML Good morning, Terry.
Thanks for the prompt replies guys. I'll start looking for a more orthodox one to go to. Hopefully I'll find one where I can just sit and listen for a while without being hounded for being a newbie like the RF did. Is what the RF say about "speaking in tongues" true? That you have to speak in tongues to be right with God? Or is that THEIR own interpretation of it? First, most churches won't hound you if you visit, instead they'll try to put you at ease and make you feel comfortable. Second, what the RF promotes about speaking in 'tongues' is completely false; 'tongues' isn't what they promote it as being, further, 'tongues' is completely irrelevant to being right with God. Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：12/03/2011 10:32 AMCopy HTML Who ever you people are please stop putting down the revival fellowship, God has led us there and now both my girls are spiritfilled with the evidence of tongues.I have just about had enough of so called christians who pretend to love God and believe in the whole truth, we were hurt by the aog church through them twisting scripture I prayed to god and he led us to the revival fellowship. Why do christians always want to argue and twist scripture and why do christians always want to hurt their fellow brothers and sisters.We are all meant to be in unity and get along under god' current member of the revival fellowship, I found this site by accident, I thought it was the proper revival fellowship site untill I started to read what people are saying !!!!!!! God is listening to our conversations and he tells us not to judge anyone. where is your reverant fear of the Lord !!!!!
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：12/03/2011 10:39 AMCopy HTML Hello, Guest.
The title to this thread really is a misnomer as I harbor no doubts whatsoever about the RF. They're not a Christian Church, and they don't preach the Christian Gospel ('Scripture twisting' being precisely what your chosen fellowship engages in). If you understood the Bible better, you'd recognise as much. To please Christ you'll need to leave this heretical sect. You won't find 'life' in the RF, only spiritual 'death'. Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：13/03/2011 12:59 PMCopy HTML Reply to Guest Who ever you people are please stop putting down the revival fellowship, God has led us there and now both my girls are spiritfilled with the evidence of tongues.I have just about had enough of so called christians who pretend to love God and believe in the whole truth, we were hurt by the aog church through them twisting scripture I prayed to god and he led us to the revival fellowship. Why do christians always want to argue and twist scripture and why do christians always want to hurt their fellow brothers and sisters.We are all meant to be in unity and get along under god' current member of the revival fellowship, I found this site by accident, I thought it was the proper revival fellowship site untill I started to read what people are saying !!!!!!! God is listening to our conversations and he tells us not to judge anyone. where is your reverant fear of the Lord !!!!! And doubtless you will continue to think them wonderful, and they will be until you are silly enough to disagree with them. Do not be silly enough to dismiss the experiences of twenty or more years of plenty of people with the revival mob. |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：13/04/2011 2:42 AMCopy HTML Hmm, wonder if the reason the guy is reluctant to talk about the RF is because he knows the kind of vitriolic attack that comes from sites like this.
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：13/04/2011 3:53 AMCopy HTML Guest,
Hmm, wonder if the reason the guy is reluctant to talk about the RF is because he knows the kind of vitriolic attack that comes from sites like this. Who says he's reluctant? Him? Or you? As for supposed 'vitriolic attacks', any member of any Revivalist sect who believes that his/her preferred denomination is being unfairly or incorrectly critiqued on this forum is perfectly free to respond, outlining his/her reasons. Arguments either stand or fall based on their relative merits. Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：18/04/2011 6:54 AMCopy HTML An update about my friend. She has been baptised and was acting really strange for auite a few days after it was done and the most interesting thing is that she hasn't even told me. That in itself tells me what sort of strange and secret teachings that this cult has. She is going to one of their camps over easter so it will be very interesting to see how she behaves when she gets back. I found out by accident that she was baptised as I stumbled upon the certificate that they must issue once it has been performed. It looked very unprofessional and didn;t even have her full name on it. They gave her a bit more propaganda about the numbers theory and how that proves what they are saying is correct. It is a shame to say it but they have managed to brainwash her really well. Having said that she is still swearing and doing a few things that they wouldn't approve of! The more that I see and hear about the members of this cult the I wish that there was someway to outlaw them from Australia. They are really dangerous and obviously prey on people when they are feeling depressed! |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：18/04/2011 11:58 PMCopy HTML
And beware if you do disagree, they (the leadership) don't take it too kindly. And it is usually very smartly turned around so that the one who disagrees becomes the one at fault and is no doubt accused of being a troublemaker at the next officers' meeting. And when this gets out through the gossipers' meetings the bad 'troublemaker' is then ostracised within the church. And members, keen to look after their own interests and standing, will obediently "mark those who cause division" and all will go well to the advantage of the leadership where 'troublemakers' are concerned. And so, to shut up or agree with everything even if you disagree is often the only option. |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：19/04/2011 12:06 AMCopy HTML Sorry, I forgot to sign. The post above was from me EV. |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：19/04/2011 4:37 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest
And beware if you do disagree, they (the leadership) don't take it too kindly. And it is usually very smartly turned around so that the one who disagrees becomes the one at fault and is no doubt accused of being a troublemaker at the next officers' meeting. And when this gets out through the gossipers' meetings the bad 'troublemaker' is then ostracised within the church. And members, keen to look after their own interests and standing, will obediently "mark those who cause division" and all will go well to the advantage of the leadership where 'troublemakers' are concerned. And so, to shut up or agree with everything even if you disagree is often the only option. I spent several years in the RF and this was not my experience, I had several disagreements with "The Oversight" and for the most part these were handled quite well. Yes there were exeptions but this is to be expected in all walks of life. e.g. I have several disagreements with people on this site and the way that these are handled are no where near as respectful as RFers. MJ |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：19/04/2011 6:16 AMCopy HTML Hello, Jingles.
I spent several years in the RF and this was not my experience, I had several disagreements with "The Oversight" and for the most part these were handled quite well. Apparently your experience, then, is markedly different to the experiences of many of the people who visit this site. Yes there were exeptions but this is to be expected in all walks of life. That's true. It's just that negative experiences tend to be amplified in heretical religious sects, hence the fact of this forum. e.g. I have several disagreements with people on this site and the way that these are handled are no where near as respectful as RFers. Really? I'm personally of the opinion that you've been treated with much greater respect than your RF peers are often prepared to extend towards those whom they deem to be 'recalcitrant dissenters'. I'm also quite confident that many regulars to this forum, those who (apparently unlike you) have experienced the-less-than-charitable side of such men, would agree. Is it possible that you've confused the concept of respect being extended to you as a person, with the misplaced notion that your religious opinions somehow merit our respect? I ask because such can be a rather easy mistake for Revivalists to make, being prone as you chaps are to stumbling headlong into all sorts of errors. Goose. Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：08/06/2011 11:50 AMCopy HTML Hmmm Jingles you just made me think. I cant really say I've had a bad experience with my Pastor Personally. It was mainly the other members of the congregation that were hounding me. Also I guess some of his preaching was a bit fire and brimstone at times, but one on one he was all good with me and did give me some good counsel and really seemed to care, even looking back now. But yea I have heard differently from other members of the fellowship who were living in fear of him. There is a level of lying and backstabbing going on behind the scenes for example if one person gets jealous or u have a disagreement, they take advantage of the situation, on top of being submissive to the pastor to gain favour, and then manipulate the situation. At the same time he did have insecurities about people gossiping about him, so made a new guideline that there should be no "Unauthorised Gatherings". I guess lucky I didn't get into his bad books :) but yea oh what a confusing situation!
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：12/06/2011 4:15 AMCopy HTML Politik,
What an eyesore is your avatar! Just makes me want to turn off whenever I see it! Dog. "for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" Shakespeare (Hamlet, Act 2, Scene 2)
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：15/11/2011 11:38 PMCopy HTML hi ian
a friend of mine and her family is seriously thinking about leaving trf and i told her to check out here and pleaseconsider. i hope you don't mind but i've given her your email addy and told her your the best person to be talking to :) G |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：16/11/2011 12:33 AMCopy HTML Hi, G.
a friend of mine and her family is seriously thinking about leaving trf and i told her to check out here and pleaseconsider. i hope you don't mind but i've given her your email addy and told her your the best person to be talking to :) That's fine; I look forward to receiving her email. Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：19/11/2011 5:58 AMCopy HTML hi ian
my friend thanked me last night for letting her know about you. she reckons your great and says you've been a big help already :) G |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：19/11/2011 6:53 AMCopy HTML G'day, G.
You need to be careful with the praise, as comments of that sort will see you pegged a 'heretic' in some quarters ;) Anyway, I found your friend to be quite intelligent and possessing of remarkably good common sense. I reckon she and her family will be fine in the long run :) Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：24/12/2011 5:08 AMCopy HTML hi ian
update time. my friend left!!!! thank you thank you thank you for all the help you gave her!!!! G |
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Re：Doubts about the RF Date Posted：24/12/2011 10:00 AMCopy HTML Good evening, G.
Well, it's good to hear that your friend followed her convictions. As I pointed out to you much earlier, she struck me as possessing good sense :) Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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