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Article 18Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.Article 19Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.Article 20Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.No one may be compelled to belong to an association.Source:- United Nations Department of Public Information

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Reply to : featheredserpent

I think your cut and paste misses the point. You quoted some UN Charter as an example of religious freedom. According to that very same charter the RCI has the right to practice their religion the way I pointed out in my post. So I naturally asked what right I have or you  have to criticise them based on that Charter. Now you've appealed to someone's opinion that what the RCI teaches isn't conventional Christianity. So what? Whether or not the RCI is orthodox isn't even the issue.

I'll ask you again. What right to do we have to criticise the RCI when the UN says that what they do is okay?

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Reply to : featheredserpentI think your cut and paste misses the point. You quoted some UN Charter as an example of religious freedom. According to that very same charter the RCI has therightto practice their religion the way I pointed out in my post. So Inaturally asked what rightIhave oryou have to criticise them based on that Charter. Now you've appealed to someone's opinion that what the RCI teaches isn't conventional Christianity. So what?Whether or not the RCI is orthodox isn't even the issue.I'll ask you again. What right to dowehave to criticise the RCI when the UN says that what they do is okay?

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Article 19 Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

So we in this forum exercise Article 19

this is our forum : those who have left, those who are looking to leave, those who have friend's and family involved, and those who are curious.

Their forum is from someone hiding behind a pulpit and a book that they interpret. They hide behind scriptures like "obey them that have rule over you" and put the fear of the pastor into the congregation.

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Reply to : Anonymous (the last one)Beudiful.....say it long and hard.....Beaudiful post. Ok Beautiful (no that doesn't look right) now I'm really up the creek. Bewtiful. The more I say it the worse it gets.......that sure is a funny phenomenon.Big smile....

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Hope you don't mind if I post a bit more...

Their forum is on Sundays, mid-week, young people's and in their houses.

Their forum is guided by someone who interprets the bible and doesn't allow any questions and hides behind a pulpit. They use words to make you feel ashamed and want to know every detail of your life. Then it is used against you by telling someone in the "inner circle".  Any questions are regarded as "coming against the ministry".  On one hand they say all are invited, but on the other hand by their own words, they can be bigotted (I won't do any business with a certain race). They compell all who aren't part of the assembly, but frown upon having friends outside of the assembly. Pastors and others cause division in assemblies when there shouldn't be. Their words tend to say one thing but their actions are different, afraid to say they are wrong, yet will say they will be the first to admit that they are wrong. Say how important it is to be humble yet full of pride.

Our forum is here on the internet, a media  that crosses frontiers open 24 hours 7 days a week.

Our moderator is here to keep things on topic but generaly it is open for discussion. We don't (at least I don't) want to know who you are or what colour your skin is. Your words are important to us and tell us what you are. I am sure members and maybe even their ministry read this forum. Maybe they see some validity in what people post or maybe their pride will prevent them.  They hate the judicial system but yet will send a lawyer's letter telling us to stop discussion or they will sue but will slander someone from the front and tell half-truths, omitting details as it suits them

At least here you can question someone's poit of view and scrutinize it.

This is just my oppinion, don't accept it if you don't want to. I don't mind. I have been wrong

Thanks my englsh isn't that great sry for spelling errors.

Why worry about a forum like this or RC cultweb ? They get lawyers to stop us from posting but yet forget that God is greater than a lawyer.

I don't know i guess years of keeping silent and being introspective has actualy done something positive.

Oh yea and scrutinize spelling mistakes and have it held against the person

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Reply to : featheredserpentI think your cut and paste misses the point. You quoted some UN Charter as an example of religious freedom. According to that very same charter the RCI has therightto practice their religion the way I pointed out in my post. So Inaturally asked what rightIhave oryou have to criticise them based on that Charter. Now you've appealed to someone's opinion that what the RCI teaches isn't conventional Christianity. So what?Whether or not the RCI is orthodox isn't even the issue.I'll ask you again. What right to dowehave to criticise the RCI when the UN says that what they do is okay?

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According to the UN charter, we have every right to criticise the RCs just as they have every right to criticise whoever they want (Catholics, other Pentecostals, etc).  The UN charter does not discourage or attempt to smother contentious opinions or religious freedom, rather it gives people the freedom to have various opinion and express them. 

We may not agree with the RCs point-of-view anymore but to attempt to suppress their right of religious freedom would be to fight fire with fire.  If we successfully campagined to have the Rev Ctrs shut down by government (for example) then all would lose. 

Instead we should support their rights to believe and practice their religion as they want but also continue to warn others of the dangers of the RC beliefs and practices.  We should use our own right of religious freedom to challenge the RC beliefs and continue to bring a dissenting voice to the ears of current, potential and ex members.

So I don't believe that the websites and discussion forums transgress the UN charter but rather they act within the spirit of it by being free to challenge and seek for willing change, contrition and reform from RC groups.