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Date Posted：26/07/2011 12:27 PMCopy HTML Hello,Is there nobody out there who can give us a meaningful update on the supposed court proceedings against ASW?I must admit this makes me really frustrated. I cannot find anything on the internet referring to this court case and its progress (or not as the case may be). In the UK, court cases are freely reported and the public can also visit them. It is only in very rare circumstances that there is a total media blackout. As Australian law must have been based on UK law at some time, it seems astonishing that this court case, or the scheduling of it is not reported somewhere.There are many ex emembers of CAI around the wrold. I'm sure they are like me in finding that this is the only resource where they can find out any information about CAI and the court case. I do not have contact with any ex members in Coffs Harbour as this is impossible for me being on the other side of the globe.So, please please please, can someone in the know give us an indication of - 1) Is this court case real?2) When did it start?3) Is it happening in Coffs Harbour or elsewhere?4) Has it yet ended?5) When is it likely to end?6) Has ASW played his ill-health card again to get out of it?Many thanks. It is much appreciated.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：27/07/2011 11:24 PMCopy HTML
Everything according to CAI is such a farse. ASW is guilty of so many crimes, and there has not been a court yet. Like Pinochet in Chile ASW says he is to ill for a court. But he can still manipulate all the members in CAI, as well. There is no justice at all here. CAI has whored with the world, and there hasn´t really been a real court-case yet. The world is upside down. It´s horrible! I bet ASW not even feel ashamed over what he has done to so many people. He will never make any excuses or he will never says he is guilty, I think. He is to guilty, so he can´t even say that he is guilty. What evil has the world done for seeing all this.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：28/07/2011 1:27 AMCopy HTML This is all I can find. It at least gives us an indication that some thing is happening.
http://searchcourtlists.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/scm/search |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：28/07/2011 1:36 AMCopy HTML Sorry should have added Case number 200900057009 |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：29/07/2011 11:44 PMCopy HTML  this is a screen shot of the above mentioned page http://searchcourtlists.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/scm/search. So - 10. August. Go there, Coffs People and watch the fat fudge packer sweating. And post a report, quick! quick! |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：30/07/2011 8:03 PMCopy HTML I hope ASW and all the other guilty CAI-bastards will burn in hell, for what they have done to totally innocent people.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：31/07/2011 1:26 AMCopy HTML I love the way Ian uses certain word phrases to express his comments. Causes me to look up scripture. ‘lex talionis’ was unknown to me until it came up at the court house while I was sitting in as an observer (just a hobby of mine) a couple of days ago. Jesus and the law of retaliation: Mat 5:38-42; Ex 21:23-25; Lev 24:20. Christ objected to an extremist use of this judicial principle to excuse private vengeance. (NIVSB) I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：01/08/2011 2:23 AMCopy HTML How do you go to the district court in Sydney? The matter is horrible, but I really rejoice about this court-case. Maybe some kind of justice can be made, after a long time.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：01/08/2011 7:25 AMCopy HTML Catch a taxi at the Sydney International !!
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：02/08/2011 7:46 AMCopy HTML I believe one reason they would move the case away from Coffs Harbour is the fact that most people in the area in and around Coffs have heard about CAI and/or the case in one way or another. There has been media coverage and, it's a small town, people talk. So to make sure that proceedings are up to scratch and the case dealt with appropriately, sometimes the courts move cases like this out of the area.
In a way, I like that idea. ASW won't know who to suck up to and play his pity-me-game on. Here's to a speedy and fair trial. ~JP |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：04/08/2011 8:00 AMCopy HTML CAI is finished. Is ASW still alive? How long will the court-case take?
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：04/08/2011 8:43 PMCopy HTML Nobody will miss the sexual predator(s) in CAI. Hope to get rid of them for good. |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：06/08/2011 11:57 AMCopy HTML Ian is an interesting character. So full of knowledge in so many ways.
Forgive, by all means, those who have wronged you. That's easy to say. But if the manner in which you have been wronged is so wrong, disgusting, perverted, disgraceful and low it makes it so much harder. ASW very possibly will burn in hell, but not because anyone wishes it so. He isn't a shepherd. He isn't a pastor. He isn't a leader. He never was any of those. He is a sexual predator and a thief. It gets them every time. Money and sex. Sex and money. |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：06/08/2011 8:36 PMCopy HTML "Ian is an interesting character. So full of knowledge in so many ways.
Forgive, by all means, those who have wronged you. That's easy to say. But if the manner in which you have been wronged is so wrong, disgusting, perverted, disgraceful and low it makes it so much harder. ASW very possibly will burn in hell, but not because anyone wishes it so. He isn't a shepherd. He isn't a pastor. He isn't a leader. He never was any of those. He is a sexual predator and a thief. It gets them every time. Money and sex. Sex and money." Well written, but don´t forget the most powerful desire from Scott Williams, to has power over so many lost souls. Scott Williams has dragged them there, because he wanted to do so. Speak of satanic bounds over people! |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：07/08/2011 12:15 AMCopy HTML It´s game over for Williams. Let all this take as smooth finish now as it can be.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：07/08/2011 12:50 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest "Ian is an interesting character. " Indeed so. This is much in unanimity ... ... ...  |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：08/08/2011 4:48 PMCopy HTML
When all the money is paid back, from CAI, and all the abusive manners from CAI´s side are done right again. When justice is made, when the leaders in CAI have been guilty in court. Then I maybe forgive them if I can. Because they have done som much very evil things, so forgive is very hard to do. It´s so easy to sit outside all this mess and judge, from their own belief and teachings. But have been in this hell from CAI´s side for so many years now, noone can really tell one to do or not.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：08/08/2011 9:37 PMCopy HTML No, I am so sorry, but I can´t forgive the CAI-leaders, they have already damaged so much things. It´s a catastrophe. I hope they will burn in hell, as they will in some way even if hell doesn´t exists, they belong there anyway. Now I will take care of my own life instead. But I hate the CAI-leaders. Hope not to see them anymore.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：08/08/2011 10:27 PMCopy HTML Ok, I forgive the CAI-leaders. But I hope they will do no harm anymore.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：09/08/2011 10:16 PMCopy HTML No, Ian, I don´t belong in hell, but other people who had abused belong in hell. CAI and Scott Williams with their hate-propaganda all the time, for instance.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：09/08/2011 10:38 PMCopy HTML No, I am so sorry, but I can´t forgive the CAI-leaders, they have already damaged so much things. It´s a catastrophe. I'm sorry too. In refusing to forgive their sins, you bring yourself under God's condemnation for your own. I hope they will burn in hell, as they will in some way even if hell doesn´t exists, they belong there anyway. And you don't?
Ian, what are your experiences from such hate-groups like CAI? It´s so easy to judge others, when you don´t have any real experiences of such difficulties from such groups like CAI yourself. I forgive the CAI-leaders, but I hate their sins. The CAI-leaders have destroyed people for the rest of their lives, probably. Can you really forgive that so easy? The CAI-leaders have only spread fear in so many people for som many years, for decades. The punishment over them must be severe. Otherwise there is no justice at all in this world! |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：09/08/2011 10:53 PMCopy HTML Don´t shot the messenger! Judge fair and see the sins of the guilty instead.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：09/08/2011 10:57 PMCopy HTML CAI = terror and torture. Hope to see the guilty one´s in jail.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：10/08/2011 5:11 AMCopy HTML If God exists. I must say that my experiences of CAI have made me become an atheist. I had a very strong belief before.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：10/08/2011 7:54 AMCopy HTML Thanks Ian! I really appreciate your spirit.
Can someone also write a little from the trial, started today Wednesday? |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：12/08/2011 9:24 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest Thanks Ian! I really appreciate your spirit. Can someone also write a little from the trial, started today Wednesday? I have the same Question: any news or has nobody been there??? The only information I has is that the next round is on Augst 24th. greetings Hydra_777  |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：15/08/2011 4:20 AMCopy HTML I don't think anybody's been there but, heck, I'd give quite a bit to actually find out what's going on right now.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：21/08/2011 4:43 PMCopy HTML No piece of news? Strange! Come on, let write something new.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：23/08/2011 12:51 PMCopy HTML It seems tomorrow is the day. Who knows though, we could still be waiting months to find out any news. It will seem like the blink of an eye when he's sitting in Grafton gaol whistling dixie to the ten foot sex starved tranny in the cell next to him. Who knows I might drop in a jar or corn relish just to make his day:D
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：23/08/2011 6:34 PMCopy HTML Write to the newspapers so they cover up this trial. Hope to see it in the newspapers tomorrow.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：24/08/2011 5:03 PMCopy HTML
What did Williams get? Only 15 years in prison, or lifetime?
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：25/08/2011 8:47 AMCopy HTML Quite honestly, if you want to know anything, you will need to contact the authorities and see for yourself what you can get out of them. People directly involved such as victims and witnesses cannot talk about it and certainly won't post news on this forum until the hearings are closed as there is a danger that it will interfere with the case and also because there are CAI members monitoring this forum.
Good luck. ~JP |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：30/08/2011 9:12 PMCopy HTML I hope Williams will sit in jail for at least 15-20 years. Then he is to old so he can´t abuse so much more. The other evil bullying CAI-whores can go to hell! And take Williams with you. As*holes.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：01/09/2011 7:57 AMCopy HTML I so love the air of forgiveness in this forum. Such a breath of fresh air when compared to the tyranny of Adolf.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：01/09/2011 9:42 AMCopy HTML Forgiveness is the remission of sins. For it is by this that what has been lost, and was found, is saved from being lost again.
St Augustine I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：01/09/2011 6:30 PMCopy HTML who cares bout what Augustine had to say ?
Forgiveness is the remission of sins. For it is by this that what has been lost, and was found, is saved from being lost again. St Augustine (Message edited by Biblianut On 01/09/2011 4:00 AM) |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：01/09/2011 8:35 PMCopy HTML It´s not se easy to forgive ASW and CAI, when the only thing they wanted to do were to crack you and break you down for over a decade. Now, when they have to stand for their sins, I don´t fell sorry for them at all. They have to take it and to take responsibility for what they only have done.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：01/09/2011 11:14 PMCopy HTML who cares bout what Augustine had to say ? I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：01/09/2011 11:28 PMCopy HTML Re:Current Court Proceedings
(Date Posted:01/09/2011 2:35 PM) It´s not se easy to forgive ASW and CAI, when the only thing they wanted to do were to crack you and break you down for over a decade. Now, when they have to stand for their sins, I don´t fell sorry for them at all. They have to take it and to take responsibility for what they only have done. Try forgiving yourself for getting involved in the first place. I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：05/09/2011 10:17 AMCopy HTML Hi guys,
what Ian wrote is right: the demand to forgive is unconditional - else you yourself are in danger of God not forgiving you, as the bible says. I myself was in the CAI for more than a decade and this group ruined much of my life - however, in such a situation it is the more important to trust in God and give all hatred and bitterness over to him - he can deal with it. I forgive Scott and all the others who wronged me, knowing that I wronged athers also and hope they forgive me. Bear in mind that God still loves everybody, even Scott Williams, and is willing to forgive him, as soon as he truly repents. Didn't Jesus say to rather pray for those who wronged us? DO you pray that God leads Scott to repentance? Just a few thoughts... |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：06/09/2011 7:41 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest Hi guys, what Ian wrote is right: the demand to forgive is unconditional - else you yourself are in danger of God not forgiving you, as the bible says. I myself was in the CAI for more than a decade and this group ruined much of my life - however, in such a situation it is the more important to trust in God and give all hatred and bitterness over to him - he can deal with it. I forgive Scott and all the others who wronged me, knowing that I wronged athers also and hope they forgive me. Bear in mind that God still loves everybody, even Scott Williams, and is willing to forgive him, as soon as he truly repents. Didn't Jesus say to rather pray for those who wronged us? DO you pray that God leads Scott to repentance? Just a few thoughts... Bear in mind that God still loves everybody, even Scott Williams, and is willing to forgive him, as soon as he truly repents. How do you know that his god did not forgive him? Do you know the mind of his god? Didn't think so. It's sooooo easy to cast other down telling us what god has done or not done when it concerns others. I might believe that Noel's god has forgiving him for all that (I,YOU) believe that he has done wrong. But I don't think there is an ...I know what god has or has not done... APP for you phone. Or is there one there are soooooo many apps. |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：09/09/2011 9:52 PMCopy HTML Scott is not a Christian, CAI is not a Christian church. They believe in violence towards single people.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：05/10/2011 1:38 PMCopy HTML Reply to Guest Hi guys, what Ian wrote is right: the demand to forgive is unconditional - else you yourself are in danger of God not forgiving you, as the bible says. I myself was in the CAI for more than a decade and this group ruined much of my life - however, in such a situation it is the more important to trust in God and give all hatred and bitterness over to him - he can deal with it. I forgive Scott and all the others who wronged me, knowing that I wronged athers also and hope they forgive me. Bear in mind that God still loves everybody, even Scott Williams, and is willing to forgive him, as soon as he truly repents. Didn't Jesus say to rather pray for those who wronged us? DO you pray that God leads Scott to repentance? Just a few thoughts... ASW can go to hell, I'd be more than happy to put a bullet through him. I dont believe in god or the sanctity of life so it wouldnt phase me to remove this scum from our earth. |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：06/10/2011 11:54 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest this is a screen shot of the above mentioned page http://searchcourtlists.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/scm/search. So - 10. August. Go there, Coffs People and watch the fat fudge packer sweating. And post a report, quick! quick! Any idea why the above indicates that the court is sitting in Sydney? Is this the correct court case? |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：26/10/2011 9:32 PMCopy HTML Reply to Guest What did Williams get? Only 15 years in prison, or lifetime? Wishful thinking indeed... What is he being charged with? A few forced blow jobs and hand jobs? Most of with boys who were over the age of consent, and who stayed around and milked it afterwards. He will probably get probation or suspended sentence with a very large fine and have to pay some form of damages, a very large sum I would imagine that would force the selling of some of their properties. As for sitting in a prison for any length of time I do not think that serves the public interest in any way. He is pretty past it now from what I heard, he can hardly stand on his own and has no proper memory now. Really ready to die. Some of the doctors that examine him have said that he is not fit enough to stand trial. The prosecution keep looking for a doctor who says he is fit enough but they are having a problem finding one. The fact that he has had to hand over the main running of the church to some germans is probably punishment enough for him and the rest of the people in the church. |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：27/10/2011 1:16 PMCopy HTML Goodness, I'm trying to breathe and not rage.
A "few"forced handjobs? You stupid stupid person. A handjob or two- statistics say that a serial predator gets to the 75th victim before they get caught the first time In the public interest? Im sure that was what my husband was thinking when he swallowed. In my opinion if his conviction woke up one person in the shithole its all more than worth it. Punishment handing over to the Germans? He still owns the fucking company. If you think this was ever about God or anyting other than sex and money think again. Guess which two cookie cutters are still the directors? And last of all- how dare you dishonor the victims and their right to justice. I pay good tax money in this country to put pieces of shit like that behind bars. Too sick? Life support didn't stop him, wtf drugs are you taking? DIAF. |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：31/10/2011 5:36 PMCopy HTML Why would having to pay compensation force selling of the properties? He owns nothing but the shirt on his back.
No, Williams sitting in a prison would probably not serve the public interest in any way but it might be seen as some kind of justice for the victims and not just those involved in the case as we all know there were countless more. However, I am intrigued as to where you have your information from. Knowing that he can barely stand, has no memory (although his memory was always selective at the best of times) and that the prosecution are finding it hard to find a doctor who can certify him fit enough to stand trial - such incredible insight could surely only be obtained from a CAI member. So just who are you in touch with and why do you find their testimony credible? I'm not disputing it but having known Williams for years I would not put it past him at all to feign illness, memory loss, roll up in a wheelchair for sympathy and then in the privacy of his own home sit gorging himself in front of the TV and shouting at his wife as he has done for years. And I doubt he will lose much sleep about handing over the "running" of the "church" to some Germans, if that really is the case. These Germans were trained and moulded by him into his image. Looking forward to your reply, Justine |
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：01/11/2011 12:35 AMCopy HTML As the signs in India for some decades earlier said "Beware of mad dogs and englishmen".
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：15/11/2011 3:31 AMCopy HTML The Bastard should be shackled in stocks along with the German Directors, and kicked in the bollocks in public every quarter hour.
.... and kicked hard. The Bastard should feel pain. no mercy or forgiveness for a beast like him. To paraphrase another tyranical entity 'God will know his own' ..... Stoning would be too good for these total bastards. Same with that Shit Andrew.... XXX he needs a thorough lashing. ... and you preachy folks, give the mercy and forgiveness rhetoric a rest. Read some of the old fashioned fire and brimestone verses... Righteous Anger should be served on these bastards. It"s never too late to leave. Even if yon"ve been in the Assembly a long time.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：15/11/2011 3:39 AMCopy HTML Hello 51
.... patience will see the bastard served his just desserts. Hopefully Australian justice will prevail and the demise of this orge and his machinations will come to an end. Dollars well spent I'd say. take care and best wishes anon1. It"s never too late to leave. Even if yon"ve been in the Assembly a long time.
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Re：Current Court Proceedings Date Posted：15/11/2011 4:56 PMCopy HTML Hi Didaktikon take care anon1 It"s never too late to leave. Even if yon"ve been in the Assembly a long time.
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