Sirach 21:14

The mind^* of a fool is like a broken jar; it can hold no knowledge.

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*mind;  SYR Lat: ‘entrails’  

Mmm, Interesting, Sometimes one does wonder where the brain is located

What is the best church to go to post revival?

You could also say the church that has it’s principles based on the ‘Creeds’, ‘Nicene creed', etc.

I wouldn't be seeking advice from Ian Mr Jingles he won't even respond to your question. I think he goes to a Baptist Church.

The problem with seeking advice from people who have a BIAS is that their advice comes with baggage.

Luke 7:35

"Why should fools have a price in hand to buy wisdom, when they have no mind to learn?"

I think there is a term for it; being a ‘Drone’ isn’t it?

Those that sit back and have others do the work and expect to be fed for nothing.

Or perhaps Eric some people don’t view academia with the same respect you do. Well I engage with the theological academic world on a very regular basis and I have studied alongside of Catholic, Salvation Army, Methodist/Uniting Church, Greek Orthodox, Baptist, Church of Christ, Assembly of God (Australian Christian Churches). Denominational boundaries just don’t feature, only defensible argument and thesis prepared and proposed by theologically matured scholars.  Do you honestly think the same bitching and power plays don't go on there? Why should it? You are referring to mature men and women of God deeply engaged in their learning. The Theological Academic world is a global enterprise that inter connects with various international tertiary institutions from Oxford to Fuller, Australian Catholic University to University of SE Queensland, University of Newcastle, Sydney College of Divinity, Morling TC, Australian College of Theology and of course without forgetting to mention Tyndale College.  And that is only a very brief listing but nevertheless provide a corporate objective purpose of orthodoxy in Christian theology and learning.  It is one of the nastiest places on the planet. Only if you happen to hand in a bad paper. Some tutors can become nasty meanies.  Intelligence + ego + corruption by power = most of the REALLY nasty things that happen in the world. Not in the theological academic world. I suppose you think politicians are honest and worthy of respect too. Only on Tony Abbott’s side of the fence.  These people live in this world because they know where real power and "credibility" lie and they crave it with all their heart because what they want most in the world is the status, kudos and worship of others. I suppose if you talking about Julia Gillard now.. That is to be expected I guess because that is what is most important to them, and most people are not only ego driven, but proud of that fact.

In my own naivety I always expected better from christians, that they would not be driven by the things most people are, but instead value humility, kindness, gentleness and be full of God's love. Apparently that makes me silly to expect better. Last time I checked however the fruits of the spirit do not include ego, need for others to see our "credibility", and a desire to laugh at others who do not see the world the way we do. No but being teachable with an open mind does have some expression of the fruit of the Spirit. After all the Bible is an objective address to all aspects of human life including the pursuit of learning.  

In my own journey though I have discovered that very very few christians really even care about who they are. As long as they can remain "credible" in front of others, conform to their own christian group and not think too hard or ever have to actually examine their real motives and agendas they are quite happy thank you very much. Are you referring to Ian ??

I had lunch with two beautiful christian friends on Saturday, and we discussed at length the reasons and possible remedies for the lack of true self examination or humiity in the church. It always comes back to the same thing, lack of interest in being honest with oneself. If we cant even get that right Mr Eric, what is the point of the rest of it?

Jesus told us to learn from because he was gentle and humble in heart. The ability to pull THAT apart to the last greek phoneme presents me with no trouble whatsoever. I learned as a child what that meant, both BE humble and gentle, and expect it from other christians.

Ian and I both make the same mistake, I hope not.  he thinks its okay to drop the gentle when he encounters what he believes to be wilful ignorance (anything outside his take on the way a person SHOULD think), I do the same when I encounter what I perceive to be wilful arrogance (anything outside my take on what constitutes humility). We are both wrong. I don’t think so.

Eric.