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Date Posted:23/09/2011 7:04 AMCopy HTML

Before you leave the GRC you should follow a check list You can get the hell out as soon as possible but you must have taken time to get to this point that you are reading this so just take a bit more time to plan your escape. Each persons life is different do what I did not do when I left and should have might not be what you should do. As you might have a spouse and children or close family members or a job with someone in the GRC so you should listen to others who might add to this list. I worked with many bothers and relied upon them for a job so if I had left then I would be scrambling to find work to pay the bills. So look for another job before you leave as that brother might or most likely fire you. And if you are the boss you have to decide if you want to have the brothers or sisters working for you still. There is a good change that they will be told to quit. So you will might be scrambling to fill some spots with qualified employes. If you are spending a lot of your time with members of the GRC and no one else you might want to start looking for friends and hobbies to fill that time you spend with and at the GRC. It's hard after telling everyone your neighbours and workmates that they are going to hell and the next day saying OPPS! You might want to stop talking about what you believe in to a few people before you leave. This way you will have someone to hang out with who does not know right off the bat what you were. You also might want to start drinking or taking drugs. Naaaaa! Not the drugs! but you can not start drinking if you want with out looking over your shoulder for some rat to turn you in who sees you walking out of a pub. I knew a few GRC members who drank but never turned them in, Not my job! You might want to get a little next egg going in case you have to move out or to a new place, You might want to look up family and friend who know that you are going to leave and say your sorry for telling them stories about hell and the burning and the boils. And stop talking about the :END OF THE WORLD!” I'm sure the dick will tell you this is all bull but don't listen to him. He's so much like Noel.
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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

Date Posted:24/09/2011 12:28 AMCopy HTML

Canuck.

Can I ask you a very simple question? How many people have you helped to leave the GRC?

Goose.

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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

Date Posted:24/09/2011 5:30 AMCopy HTML

I have knows people who have joined the GRC and those who have left and the one thing that is constant is that they are the same person before, during and after the GRC.

Yes there are the problems that you had when you joined the GRC and these might even be the reasons that you joined, To try and change what you were. And there are the deer in the head light looking people who we were when we were in the GRC, It's that wide eyed toothy grin look that you see in this photo   http://www.flickr.com/photos/7767570@N02/457247408/ John Smith is a great example of this cult look.

And the person you are when you leave the GRC, The relief mixed with sadness at leaving friends and family sometimes jobs and homes. 

But you are the same through all this. If you were a jerk before the GRC you are most likely going to be a jerk in and after the GRC. And if you were sheep you will most likely be a sheep looking for a pastor after the GRC.  I am the same person but I just got lost for a few years in the GRC but even whilst in the religious group I was the same person I just had to hid it not to get into trouble.

So when you leave the group you might end up doing what you did before it. And you might end up drinking too much or going back to drugs. So be careful when you leave and have a plan and get help but don't let Noel find out. He'll kick you out or at least stand you down for getting help out side the group. And getting kicked out before you are ready might not be the best thing for you,




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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

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Canuck,

So you're effectively saying that you presented as an idiot before you joined the GRC? And that you continued presenting yourself as an idiot during your time in the GRC too? That it's not something that manifested after you left? And further, are you now admitting to deceptively attempting to conceal your true 'spiritual' nature whilst a member of the GRC, because you realised that it would've gotten you into 'trouble'? In summary then, are you confessing to being an idiot who is also a well practised liar?

Who would've guessed, huh? ;)

Goose.

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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

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should i stay or should i go.there lies the question.if i really want to live and not be forced to live at someone else's behest,i need out.then what will i do?where do i go from here?
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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

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 Join the REAL world.....think for YOURSELF and if you feel so inclined join a REAL Church......not a DESTRUCTIVE sect, but a MAINSTREAM Church with CHRISTIAN doctrine, beliefs and principles.

Read books about sects, cults, how they work and how to escape from the 'mind-set' that they have encouraged and nurtured in you.

Relax, have peace of mind.

Try not to dwell on all the WASTED years.

Goodluck.




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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

Date Posted:24/02/2012 11:26 PMCopy HTML

Hello, Chrysanthemum.

should i stay or should i go. there lies the question. Rhetorical? if i really want to live and not be forced to live at someone else's behest, i need out. Is your issue about living at the behest of others? Or living after a fashion that pleases God? Either way you're required to consider someone other than just yourself. then what will i do? where do i go from here? The answer to these two questions entirely depends on what you're hoping to achieve.

If your principal concern is removing yourself from the GRC's social dysfunction, walk away. If your principle concern is removing yourself from a destructive, anti-Christian religious sect; walk away. If your principle concern is living to please God, walk away. Your immediate course of action will be the same regardless of what motivates you :) However, it's what you do next that determines the course for the remainder of your life.

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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

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May I say, when one is bound up under the influence of Revivalism, you can liken it to being put in a straight-jacket. Your hands are tied and there is no freedom of choice and all your liberties are restricted. One has to adhere to the instructions or it is solitary confinement.

I believe, to be able to completely “loose the bonds” you need to understand it is mainly fear that binds one there; fear of loosing your friends and/or family, fear of a miserable life outside their camp, fear of rejection, etc,

But fear of not having right standing before God, even though some may not admit that, I believe, is the main thing that holds us from making a move to freedom.

The bases one came to Revivalism in the first instance, whether born into it or at a later time, was ‘God’ orientated one way or another.

Looking to him for our salvation and happiness or as a means of healing our wounds and sorrows, or whatever, we still have that consciousness within us despite what we may think or say.

One needs to be aware that Revivalism is a counterfeit religion and what they preach and teach (notwithstanding their abusive treatment of others) is not the truth according to the Gospel, especially on salvation, and it cannot give you the lasting freedom and peace that God has for you if you don't know the truth.

Listen to your heart and make the move to free yourself from there, seek out that which is right, as Glad says join a true Christian church. You can’t go wrong.

 

God Bless.

Ralph

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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

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Reply to Biblianut

 

May I say, when one is bound up under the influence of Revivalism, you can liken it to being put in a straight-jacket. Your hands are tied and there is no freedom of choice and all your liberties are restricted. One has to adhere to the instructions or it is solitary confinement.

I believe, to be able to completely “loose the bonds” you need to understand it is mainly fear that binds one there; fear of loosing your friends and/or family, fear of a miserable life outside their camp, fear of rejection, etc,

But fear of not having right standing before God, even though some may not admit that, I believe, is the main thing that holds us from making a move to freedom.

The bases one came to Revivalism in the first instance, whether born into it or at a later time, was ‘God’ orientated one way or another.

Looking to him for our salvation and happiness or as a means of healing our wounds and sorrows, or whatever, we still have that consciousness within us despite what we may think or say.

One needs to be aware that Revivalism is a counterfeit religion and what they preach and teach (notwithstanding their abusive treatment of others) is not the truth according to the Gospel, especially on salvation, and it cannot give you the lasting freedom and peace that God has for you if you don't know the truth.

Listen to your heart and make the move to free yourself from there, seek out that which is right, as Glad says join a true Christian church. You can’t go wrong.

 

God Bless.

Ralph



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Reply to Biblianut

 

May I say, when one is bound up under the influence of Revivalism, you can liken it to being put in a straight-jacket. Your hands are tied and there is no freedom of choice and all your liberties are restricted. One has to adhere to the instructions or it is solitary confinement.

I believe, to be able to completely “loose the bonds” you need to understand it is mainly fear that binds one there; fear of loosing your friends and/or family, fear of a miserable life outside their camp, fear of rejection, etc,

But fear of not having right standing before God, even though some may not admit that, I believe, is the main thing that holds us from making a move to freedom.

The bases one came to Revivalism in the first instance, whether born into it or at a later time, was ‘God’ orientated one way or another.

Looking to him for our salvation and happiness or as a means of healing our wounds and sorrows, or whatever, we still have that consciousness within us despite what we may think or say.

One needs to be aware that Revivalism is a counterfeit religion and what they preach and teach (notwithstanding their abusive treatment of others) is not the truth according to the Gospel, especially on salvation, and it cannot give you the lasting freedom and peace that God has for you if you don't know the truth.

Listen to your heart and make the move to free yourself from there, seek out that which is right, as Glad says join a true Christian church. You can’t go wrong.

 

God Bless.

Ralph



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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

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May I say, when one is bound up under the influence of Revivalism, you can liken it to being put in a straight-jacket. Your hands are tied and there is no freedom of choice and all your liberties are restricted. One has to adhere to the instructions or it is solitary confinement.

I believe, to be able to completely “loose the bonds” you need to understand it is mainly fear that binds one there; fear of loosing your friends and/or family, fear of a miserable life outside their camp, fear of rejection, etc,

But fear of not having right standing before God, even though some may not admit that, I believe, is the main thing that holds us from making a move to freedom.

The bases one came to Revivalism in the first instance, whether born into it or at a later time, was ‘God’ orientated one way or another.

Looking to him for our salvation and happiness or as a means of healing our wounds and sorrows, or whatever, we still have that consciousness within us despite what we may think or say.

One needs to be aware that Revivalism is a counterfeit religion and what they preach and teach (notwithstanding their abusive treatment of others) is not the truth according to the Gospel, especially on salvation, and it cannot give you the lasting freedom and peace that God has for you if you don't know the truth.

Listen to your heart and make the move to free yourself from there, seek out that which is right, as Glad says join a true Christian church. You can’t go wrong.

 

God Bless.

Ralph


hi,what you describe resounds with me ,and i freely admit that having right standing before god is the first and most important issue that i am concerned with.thank you for your's and others input.i appreciate the advice and concern,more of which i have found here in the forum than outside of it.obviously, i have been reading this forum for years and it is very absorbing to hear all different points of view.   
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Re:What to do before you leave the GRC

Date Posted:26/02/2012 12:25 AMCopy HTML

Hi chrysanthemum

 

It is encouraging to feel that a little of what I contribute here is of some help.

The advice and knowledge I received/receive from Ian, Eric, Glad, Rob and the other wise members of this forum, the books I have read and the lectures from such sites as ‘biblicaltraining.org’ and my study with RTC has given me the assurance and confidence that one is called of God and truly saved, not by our deeds but by his Grace, through faith, in Jesus Christ.

I would suggest, not everyone has a scholarly ability (I for one fall very short) to be privilege to the richness of absorbing much theology of God’s word, but I am content in knowing and receiving that which is important to our ‘right standing’ before God.

But it doesn’t finish there; it has been said that “we are a work in progress” and since I’ve become a part of the ‘Christian (Anglican) Community’ again one continues to still grow in the things of God.

 

Keep well, fear not

 

Ralph.

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 Join the REAL world.....think for YOURSELF and if you feel so inclined join a REAL Church......not a DESTRUCTIVE sect, but a MAINSTREAM Church with CHRISTIAN doctrine, beliefs and principles.

Read books about sects, cults, how they work and how to escape from the 'mind-set' that they have encouraged and nurtured in you.

Relax, have peace of mind.

Try not to dwell on all the WASTED years.

Goodluck.






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 Join the REAL world.....think for YOURSELF and if you feel so inclined join a REAL Church......not a DESTRUCTIVE sect, but a MAINSTREAM Church with CHRISTIAN doctrine, beliefs and principles.

Read books about sects, cults, how they work and how to escape from the 'mind-set' that they have encouraged and nurtured in you.

Relax, have peace of mind.

Try not to dwell on all the WASTED years.

Goodluck.





hi,will most likely be leaving very soon,and partner too.
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 Join the REAL world.....think for YOURSELF and if you feel so inclined join a REAL Church......not a DESTRUCTIVE sect, but a MAINSTREAM Church with CHRISTIAN doctrine, beliefs and principles.

Read books about sects, cults, how they work and how to escape from the 'mind-set' that they have encouraged and nurtured in you.

Relax, have peace of mind.

Try not to dwell on all the WASTED years.

Goodluck.





hi,will most likely be leaving very soon,and partner too.

That is wonderful news indeed.

It is great that your partner is going as well.

It does take time to tie up the 'loose ends' and it will make the transition to the real world a lot less stressful.

I am glad that you have found a new place to worship.

Be kind to yourself over the next few months and remember that all the GRC rubbish can creep up on you at any time and cause set-backs and turmoil.

Adjustment takes time but your life will be so much better without the 'baggage' that does nothing for your spiritual or emotional growth and well-being.

Good luck again.

Glad




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First thing is see the place for what it is.  It is not the ONE true church on earth, Hollins is dying and GOD will not help him as i am sure he (god) is on a holiday and cannot hear his prayers as elijah said to someone in the old testament before god smot them with fire to prove the point (let the god that answers by fire, let him be god)  as i see god as a myth these days (but do not begrudge the weak for holding on to falsehood if it helps them get through the day). As he did not hear Frank Pullen or so many others.
I saw Hank Defries the other day, he is rooted too, if this was the one true church let them live to 700 years old as they did in the old testament.  This is a megalomaniac and should be avoided at all costs.

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should i stay or should i go.there lies the question.if i really want to live and not be forced to live at someone else's behest,i need out.then what will i do?where do i go from here?


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