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Hello, one and all.

I've just received a PM from the Moderator, who has advised me that s/he was approached by Troy Waller who is seeking to recover ownership and moderation control over the forum. And whilst Troy states that he's anti-censorship, my experience of him in the past causes me to doubt the claim. For those who aren't aware, Troy originally established and ran this forum after the demise of the original, and it seems that he now wants control back. Naturally, when Troy was in charge I was persona non grata, and the site itself had a somewhat different perspective, flavour and aim. "Unkoolman" is a busy person, and naturally carriage of this site takes time that could otherwise be channeled into other life areas. To this end, Troy has been given control over several sub-forae, whilst I was offered control over some others.

The sticking-point for me is that robust, open, merit-based and informed discussion and debate appears to no longer be a priority. The "playing field", as it were, is no longer level. Consequently, I honestly can't see much reason to be committing my time in support of it any longer. It's been a fun few years to be sure, and I have enjoyed the interactions and engagements that have taken place, but clearly the time has come for me to gradually diminish.

I wish you all the best into the future, and God's blessings to whom such are seen as a positive aspiration.

Ian

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Re:The current status of the forum

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Sad news indeed. I see your point though Ian, the athiests can debate and abuse the Christians but the Christians cant even comment on eternal life or lack there of. End of a very good thing that no doubt has helped many undecided revivalist leave their cults for a better life. This site will only be of interest to those who have reached a point of non-belief. Hollins and his fellow decievers from the other related cults will be rubbing their hands together in delight. PM me anyone who wants my contact details as I also will not be on here any more, or very little.
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Re:The current status of the forum

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Troy would like to moderate two of the forum's many rooms and have them be 'Ian Free' rooms. I agree that Ian can be overbearing when he takes over EVERY conversation.

Troy would like to Moderate TWO of the TWENTY-TWO rooms. Ian has been offered to moderate at least FOUR of those rooms and I'm prepared to let him moderate as many others as he would like so 'I' can get off the board and let someone else push the buttons.

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Reply to prezy

...the athiests can debate and abuse the Christians but the Christians cant even comment on eternal life or lack there of...


Oh for the god's sakes!!!  Will you people stop being so over dramatic?

Ian has been asked to remain outside of two (2) rooms out of 22!  That means, in ALL OTHER ROOMS, no one will censor his comments or stop him from being as harsh, kind, pompous or humble as he so desires.

All other Christian-based rooms will remain as they always have, a place for the debate/discussion of Christian theology and issues.  No one will stop you from posting there or be censoring your freedom of religion.  I have no moderating rights in those rooms so I can't censor you even if I wanted to.  Ian will have the full control of those rooms. Did you hear that?  Ian would have it. Not me.

All we are asking is that our freedom is not limited and we have a place for ourselves and our discussions...just as you have now.

Geez, talk about another RCI/RF split huh?  All or nothing?  My way or the highway?  Purists versus reformers?

All I want if for a little place for us unbelievers to call our own, to maybe build a log cabin and raise a few kids.


Stop being such drama queens!!!
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OK, but will there be Troy free zones where we dont have to have your abuse and fowl language. My young daughter checks this site out sometimes. Just wonder if the censorship just works in your favour?
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 To the Unkoolmanista,
I know I haven't been very active on here lately, but I'm considering becoming very active. However, I have a big, big problem. Since I am by nature a fearful person, and hence afraid of anyone and everyone who disagrees with me, I would like to request a special "zone" where I can put forward all of my opinions and keep them safe and sound from any dissent, where I can protect them like a hen would shelter chicks under a wing ;P 
Some atheists say that ideas struggle against each other and that the fittest idea will win in the end, but I am scared of the real world of struggle and disagreement, so a "little playpen" where I can tend to my pet worldview without distractions caused by "reality" would be reassuring ;D
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PS, maybe every single user could have their little picketed-off zone? That would definitely eliminate disagreements...

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 To the Unkoolmanista,
I know I haven't been very active on here lately, but I'm considering becoming very active. However, I have a big, big problem. Since I am by nature a fearful person, and hence afraid of anyone and everyone who disagrees with me, I would like to request a special "zone" where I can put forward all of my opinions and keep them safe and sound from any dissent, where I can protect them like a hen would shelter chicks under a wing ;P 
Some atheists say that ideas struggle against each other and that the fittest idea will win in the end, but I am scared of the real world of struggle and disagreement, so a "little playpen" where I can tend to my pet worldview without distractions caused by "reality" would be reassuring ;D
Thanks,
SinTaxError
PS, maybe every single user could have their little picketed-off zone? That would definitely eliminate disagreements...


Yes its all getting a bit silly. The worst thing is with us not being united we have no strength against the common enemy. Funny thing some of my best friends are commited athiests and all sorts of other things, and we get along fine. We respect each other and dont go down the name calling road.
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Uncoolman. I sold my business a few weeks back to my General Manager.

I have no expectations or desire to come back in a while and expect some sort of control. That would be preposterous. When you move on, you move on, or as an English graffiti artist once succinctly wrote on a subway wall "when a man is tired of London....then he's tired of London".

Whilst I have not exactly been delighted at some of the attempts to muddy what tens of thousands of dollars.

I also see a bigger picture of loyalty to staff who have served me well and client's likewise. Twenty per cent of the business turnover is with one client and I know I could get them to jump ship at a moments notice .... but one-upmanship is a childish game.

Is this some game? Payback for Ian being overbearing?

You have sullied your reputation. For what? An egotistical foul mouthed has been?

Will you be the "master" that tightens the band around Monkey's head when he gets crazy? You haven't done much so far. You've let the fox out in the henhouse.

If you were so bored with it all it would have been better to ask for willing takers rather than set time bombs to see it all explosively disintegrate.

What next? Pardon Lukie and Galien?

Don't put me down for a referee on your next resume!

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A big lump of my posting disappeared in the third paragraph, but it's probably no use in repeating it ..... so many seem delighted that Ian is going and Troy is coming and anything "preachy" is eschewed ......
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Reply to prezy

OK, but will there be Troy free zones where we dont have to have your abuse and fowl language. My young daughter checks this site out sometimes. Just wonder if the censorship just works in your favour?


Uncoolman warned me to stop swearing and I haven't done so on here since.

I have no desire to wander into the hard-core Christian rooms.

So the answer is 'yes'.


Wanna try being friends now?
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You have sullied your reputation. For what? An egotistical foul mouthed has been?


Sure, I swore.

After all, I got angry at being called, at best - effeminate, and at worst - homosexual.

Scroll back through the posts of the last few days and see if you can see when that occurred, and then when I had my little outburst. One precedes the other.

I've yet to get an apology for that.  Anyone holding someone to account for that?  No?  Why is that? 

Hmmmm...WWJD?

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Hello Prezy.Ian did a good lot of abusing other christians,that is why nobody except ians followers have been posting here.check out the rci ,rfi grc sights.Who posts here any more?I think a lot of people might come back if he can keep his nose out.
He just cant turn the other cheek!
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Spangler,

Ya reckon?! Funny, but there has been stuff all posting going on in the "close-hold" GRC forum for months, and I haven't been active there at all. So ...

Goose.

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Troy,

Really? I called you effeminate or implied that you were homosexual, did I? And here was me thinking, at the time I typed my comments, that the very clear inference was that you were prone to gossiping more than a fishwife in a kitchen (a la "Facebook")!

Goose

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 Oooooh, he's right Troy

Everyone knows you're the opposite of effeminate, ya big hunk of man you.
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Well Ian, in the context of your earlier comments about men who want to be women, I don't think it was too much of a leap for me (although mistakenly) to jump to the conclusion I did.  But, now you know why I came out guns blazing.  You must have wondered what got my knickers tied up. Now you know.


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To the Unkoolmanista,
I would like to request a special "zone" where I can put forward all of my opinions and keep them safe and sound from any dissent, where I can protect them like a hen would shelter chicks under a wing ;P  Some atheists say that ideas struggle against each other and that the fittest idea will win in the end, but I am scared of the real world of struggle and disagreement, so a "little playpen" where I can tend to my pet worldview without distractions caused by "reality" would be reassuring ;DThanks,SinTaxError PS, maybe every single user could have their little picketed-off zone? That would definitely eliminate disagreements...


Your wish is my command. You'll find your room at the bottom of the forum. A blog of sorts... or were you being sarcastic?

Nevertheless, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Enjoy your private playpen to rant and shout out.

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Reply to Fremde

Is this some game? Payback for Ian being overbearing?

No, just a result of.

You have sullied your reputation. For what? An egotistical foul mouthed has been?

I had a reputation?

Will you be the "master" that tightens the band around Monkey's head when he gets crazy? You haven't done much so far. You've let the fox out in the henhouse.

A founder of this forum has moderation access to a few rooms, when he used to moderate all of them, before dumping them all on me. He'd like a reprieve from Ian's input in said rooms. 'Tis all.

If you were so bored with it all it would have been better to ask for willing takers rather than set time bombs to see it all explosively disintegrate.

What next? Pardon Lukie and Galien?

Lukie is clearly insane, and Galien might actually be able to come back to the board and roam where Ian does not.

Don't put me down for a referee on your next resume!

It hadn't previously crossed my mind to do such a thing.

John Appalled

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Sad news indeed. I see your point though Ian, the athiests can debate and abuse the Christians but the Christians cant even comment on eternal life or lack there of. End of a very good thing that no doubt has helped many undecided revivalist leave their cults for a better life. This site will only be of interest to those who have reached a point of non-belief. Hollins and his fellow decievers from the other related cults will be rubbing their hands together in delight. PM me anyone who wants my contact details as I also will not be on here any more, or very little.


Well said prezy.  Among the Revivalists leaders who browse I should think there'll be much rejoicing at the discordant scene here.  With what I've seen written recently it'll be hardly a place to refer prospective or ex Revivalists who want to continue serving God.  They are likely to use their favourite word for worldly "carnal" to describe the conversations they might encounter here if the past day or so are anything to go by. Wouldn't want any to scurry back into the arms of RCI, GRC or whatever one they have left or are thinking of leaving. 

I would enjoy contact with those of the previous era.

God Bless

Epi

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Have been away for the day and surprise, surprise - the changing face of the forum. 

"Hey it's not Watergate" said the Moth in chat.  No but Revivalgate, yes.   I think since leaving Revival I've just seen one of the closest examples of the use of Revivalist tactics outside of Revival.  Shades of Lloyd himself such as Lloyd in his hey-day would be hard pressed to better.

I do believe there are some who are oblivious to the fact that they retain Revivalist residue.  So the old RCI etc training of "the means justifies the end" still lives on out of the halls of Revival.  The grasping onto, the twisting around, the manipulating so that faults are deflected from self to another are all endemic to that "peculiar" people and those who retain the traits.
 
All right, so Ian can be a bit proscriptive where scripture is concerned but I think I can justifiably say from what I know of him here that he is honest, sincere, open, frank and fair. 

Admirable qualities which not all possess, more's the pity.

Blessings Ian and thanks for the help you've generously given here.

Epi



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To a new era,

Without good substance my guess is this forum will become whinge-worthy, cringe-worthy and ineffective, but good luck.  Cheers and here's mud in yer eye.

Epi
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Yes well said, and I too am gratefull to Ian for the time and effort he put into his posts. That a person can throw abuse around not only to Ian, but anyone who agrees with him and then become a moderator is beyond belief. My experience with Ian has also been that he is honest and fair. Same for Uncoolman, who I think has done a very good job. Nothing personal against Troy, but I am quite offended at his generalizing and pushing too hard of his opinions. I still hold the view  that our common goal was to support those wanting to leave revival. We had the Christian and non Christian views here with a level of respect of one another. I still have no idea of Uncoolmans religious beliefs and that is how it should be. I think Troy could be a valuable contributor but it would be like putting Pauline Hanson in charge of immigration.
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Have been away for the day and surprise, surprise - the changing face of the forum. 

"Hey it's not Watergate" said the Moth in chat.  No but Revivalgate, yes.   I think since leaving Revival I've just seen one of the closest examples of the use of Revivalist tactics outside of Revival.  Shades of Lloyd himself such as Lloyd in his hey-day would be hard pressed to better.

I do believe there are some who are oblivious to the fact that they retain Revivalist residue.  So the old RCI etc training of "the means justifies the end" still lives on out of the halls of Revival.  The grasping onto, the twisting around, the manipulating so that faults are deflected from self to another are all endemic to that "peculiar" people and those who retain the traits.
 
All right, so Ian can be a bit proscriptive where scripture is concerned but I think I can justifiably say from what I know of him here that he is honest, sincere, open, frank and fair. 

Admirable qualities which not all possess, more's the pity.

Blessings Ian and thanks for the help you've generously given here.

Epi



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Just reading over the old posts. Troy got upset about attacks on his masculinity. I am an evangalical Christian, something a lot of people in my community, both Christian and non Christian are very grateful for. Yet according to Troy I am a bitch! I survived a very violent up bringing, to the point of being the only surviving member of my family due to gun related violence. Before I was a Christian I got into penty of trouble, people that know me now would not believe the things I was capable of before my conversion.  To hate true Christians is just plain stupid. Well not many people would call me a bitch. If you want to generalize people you dont even know join geelong revival centre, there are plenty there that would welcome your anger and narow mindedness.
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Reply to prezy

Just reading over the old posts. Troy got upset about attacks on his masculinity. I am an evangalical Christian, something a lot of people in my community, both Christian and non Christian are very grateful for. Yet according to Troy I am a bitch! I survived a very violent up bringing, to the point of being the only surviving member of my family due to gun related violence. Before I was a Christian I got into penty of trouble, people that know me now would not believe the things I was capable of before my conversion.  To hate true Christians is just plain stupid. Well not many people would call me a bitch. If you want to generalize people you dont even know join geelong revival centre, there are plenty there that would welcome your anger and narow mindedness.

I never called YOU in particular a bitch. I made a tongue in cheek comment about Evangelical back-slapping bitches.  Talk about twisting my words so you can feel as 'attacked' as Ian and in the persecuted club.  Talk about making stuff up.  geez!
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 Has anyone else noticed that ALMOST ALL of the people who have a problem with the changes here have user names derived from Greek words...as in BIBLE GREEK?

JUST LIKE IAN. 


Hmmm...
Now what does that tell you?

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Hi all,

 

There appears to be some misunderstanding of the motives of non religious people on this forum.

 

There are not many of us, so those who are concerned can relax – there will not be any takeover attempt. We all have a part to play, and the voices and opinions that want to be heard, will be heard.

 

I just noticed a comment from Talmid in the chatbox directed to me that I think should be placed in this thread. It's an important part of this debate. I've also pasted in my reply:

 

Talmid: Sean. As a Xian I'm glad you feel able to come back to the site. I'm also disappointed that you didn't see that you always had the option of simply ignoring "god-botherers", and that you didn't see that the forum's "religious inclination" was due to the lack of continued presence of a bold and well-informed irreligious voice. Finally, I hope that you (keep your eyes open?) / (open your eyes?) to the danger, indoctrination and mind control that *also* lie within non-religious world views.

 

Sean: Talmid, I thank you for your concern, but your post here illustrates my point perfectly. I think it will be beneficial to the overall discussion if I address this point in the main forum rather than the chatbox. I'll do this shortly. By the way, despite my use of the pejorative term 'god-botherer', I have no personal animosity to any who have this inclination. I just think that other points of view need to be considered and given equal airtime without always being followed by the constant "open you eyes" type of comments. I hope you too open your eyes. And my views are not the result of indoctrination - but quite the opposite, as I plan to demonstrate over the coming days/weeks/months on this forum. And I think it will be a better place for it - I'm looking forward to getting involved and help those who genuinely need our help (not just the help of the non religious types like myself, but all of us).

 

 

I sincerely hope no-one leaves. Most of us here have escaped indoctrination and control from the same destructive cults (GRC in my case). There are those who will be looking at this forum prior to and during their own personal journey into the real world. It would be a shame if all we can offer them is one narrow view-point of life outside of the cults. It would be an even greater shame if that was the result of bickering and bullying.

 

Stick around. Let’s not lose sight of the importance of this forum – it’s about personal journeys of recovery from organised, systematic, abusive mind-control.

 

 

Regards,

Sean.

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 Has anyone else noticed that ALMOST ALL of the people who have a problem with the changes here have user names derived from Greek words...as in BIBLE GREEK?

JUST LIKE IAN. 


Hmmm...
Now what does that tell you?


Yep guilty of that I think. Prezy- Presbyterian-Presbuteros? something like that. I think its to do with eldership? dunno. However my avatar is not Greek but Green Dimension which puts me in another minority group.
p.s. its not really a picture of me.

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Just reading over the old posts. Troy got upset about attacks on his masculinity. I am an evangalical Christian, something a lot of people in my community, both Christian and non Christian are very grateful for. Yet according to Troy I am a bitch! I survived a very violent up bringing, to the point of being the only surviving member of my family due to gun related violence. Before I was a Christian I got into penty of trouble, people that know me now would not believe the things I was capable of before my conversion.  To hate true Christians is just plain stupid. Well not many people would call me a bitch. If you want to generalize people you dont even know join geelong revival centre, there are plenty there that would welcome your anger and narow mindedness.

I never called YOU in particular a bitch. I made a tongue in cheek comment about Evangelical back-slapping bitches.  Talk about twisting my words so you can feel as 'attacked' as Ian and in the persecuted club.  Talk about making stuff up.  geez!

And likewise umm Te Luo Yi, if I recall correctly Ian never referred to you personally as effeminate or homosexual.  It was your misrepresentation of what he said.   Why weren't you up front right then and there and immediately say that this is the way you took it and feel insulted.  Why use the time in the interval to throw a tantum, swear and attack etc and when brought to task blame something in the past to justify your bad behaviour.

Proudly Episkopeo

As a ps Te Luo Yi, regarding my choice of a Greek name, well, when I chose it I found Ian and his new Greek name a bit annoying and and only that at the time being the reason for my choice.  It was when I first came on board, however, since that time I have come to hold Ian in high regard for the good, sound scriptural information he imparts and for his personal qualities which I referred to in another post.
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Just one more thing Te Luo Yi (and Moth)  a person of integrity such as Ian and those of his kind we cannot afford to lose on this forum due to the manipulative attacks for personal gain of the few.  Those who want to learn from their good contributions would sorely be the losers.

God Bless

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Just one more thing Te Luo Yi (and Moth)  a person of integrity such as Ian and those of his kind we cannot afford to lose on this forum due to the manipulative attacks for personal gain of the few.  Those who want to learn from their good contributions would sorely be the losers. God Bless, Epi

Troy (amongst others) have requested a room (or two) out out of the twenty-two rooms available in the forum to chat, where the contributions of Ian are not wanted, strange though that might seem. There are however nineteen other rooms available where Ian's inclusion is welcome and wanted and needed. Now, Troy could set up a new private forum outside of his own for ex-Revivalist/come-ex-Christians, that don't have Ian's involvement and then invite people to it, however, I don't see a problem with hosting a couple of rooms here in this forum to that end. After all, this is high in Google's search results and this is where ex-members will find us, even, god forbid, non-Christian ex-members.

There are no attacks, and what personal gain are we talking about? If there are perceived attacks than they have been born of miscommunications, and have gone both ways, and none have been all that threatening, imo.

Troy and I do not want Ian to leave the forum, but Ian feels that if he can't have access to the Ex-Christian room or the Freedom Forum room, then he doesn't want to be involved in any of the forum's remaining 19 rooms either. That's his decision. He was okay with an 'Ian Free' GRC room... but is not okay with an 'Ian Free' Ex-Christian room. Again, his decision. No one is forcing him to leave, and should anyone else feel that they can't handle a forum sans Ian, or new moderators for some of the rooms are obviously very free to leave or continue discussions. Donchathink?

Ian could go so far as to set up his own forum, but it seems, from what he says, that he gets dozens of people email him weekly... these hordes of interested parties have never used the forum to discuss matters with him.



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That's it exactly M&R!!!  Well said!!!

Ian has not been kicked out. He has chosen to leave.  If anyone has a problem with Ian leaving then talk to Ian.  Stop wasting time chastising people who have no power over his movements.

Talk to Ian.  Convince him of the reasons he should stay.


I'm getting bored of this thread now. *sigh*


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And likewise umm Te Luo Yi, if I recall correctly Ian never referred to you personally as effeminate or homosexual.  It was your misrepresentation of what he said.  

Correct. I misunderstood him.  He wasn't calling me gay but a gossip.  I got upset that he called me gay when I should have got upset that he called me a gossip.  My bad  ;p

Why weren't you up front right then and there and immediately say that this is the way you took it and feel insulted.  Why use the time in the interval to throw a tantum, swear and attack etc and when brought to task blame something in the past to justify your bad behaviour.

Gee, I dunno.  Maybe I was just pissed off by years and years of taunting by Mr Thomason. 


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 To the Unkoolmanista,
I would like to request a special "zone" where I can put forward all of my opinions and keep them safe and sound from any dissent, where I can protect them like a hen would shelter chicks under a wing ;P  Some atheists say that ideas struggle against each other and that the fittest idea will win in the end, but I am scared of the real world of struggle and disagreement, so a "little playpen" where I can tend to my pet worldview without distractions caused by "reality" would be reassuring ;DThanks,SinTaxError PS, maybe every single user could have their little picketed-off zone? That would definitely eliminate disagreements...


Your wish is my command. You'll find your room at the bottom of the forum. A blog of sorts... or were you being sarcastic?

Nevertheless, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Enjoy your private playpen to rant and shout out.
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@Modiktikon

Yes, I was indeed being sarcastic. I am actually all for robust debating, given that this is a *forum*. Forum, people. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but has anyone looked up that word in a dictionary lately? Isn't it meant to be a place for open, public discussion? 
If the irreligious need to be somehow "protected" from the "god-botherers" , that is all well and good for them, but given that every post they make here is a public statement of sorts, why should anyone not be able to respond? 
And anyway, protectionism never works in the long run. 

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@Modiktikon To the Unkoolmanista,
I would like to request a special "zone" where I can put forward all of my opinions and keep them safe and sound from any dissent, where I can protect them like a hen would shelter chicks under a wing ;P  Some atheists say that ideas struggle against each other and that the fittest idea will win in the end, but I am scared of the real world of struggle and disagreement, so a "little playpen" where I can tend to my pet worldview without distractions caused by "reality" would be reassuring ;DThanks,SinTaxError PS, maybe every single user could have their little picketed-off zone? That would definitely eliminate disagreements...

Yes, I was indeed being sarcastic.

Ohhhh...

I am actually all for robust debating, given that this is a *forum*. Forum, people. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but has anyone looked up that word in a dictionary lately? Isn't it meant to be a place for
open, public discussion?

Let's call it a discussion board then, shall we?

If the irreligious need to be somehow "protected" from the "god-botherers" , that is all well and good for them, but given that every post they make here is a public statement of sorts, why should anyone not be able to respond?

Only Ian can't, in three rooms out of twenty-two. OK? All other 'god-botherers', as you say, are invited to join in. The creator of that room doesn't want Ian's particular style of 'discussion', and that's how it is.

And anyway, protectionism never works in the long run.

Ok... now

Yes, it's a forum, but that doesn't mean it's a free for all, and never has in all the years I've moderated here. At some point Ian asked for Luke to be banned, and thus, Luke is not longer allowed to talk here in this forum. See, it's not without boundaries. Ian also was quite happy for Galien to be booted from the forum. Some people are a nuisance... not to everyone. In this case Ian has been seen as a nuisance from time to time. He hasn't been banned from the forum, but from three rooms of the twenty-two in this forum.

There have been many enthusiastic Revivalists and various trolls who have tried to flood the forum. They've had to be banned and aren't allowed to post, here in this forum. So perhaps it's not entirely an 'open' forum.

Check out some other forums, you'll find there's a lot of conditions. Check out most ex-cult forums and you'll see members only sections, or sections available to members who have posted a certain amount of posts. Try getting into a Revival Church forum.

This is a free and open forum, but there are exceptions, and one exception recently is that Ian isn't allowed to post in the GRC room, and that's been an exception Ian agree to a long time ago. He's now excluded from the Ex-Christian room, and one other. If you or he don't like that... well bully for you, I guess.

Would you rather we call it a discussion board? Forum seems to be giving you problems.

So you want me to delete the room you requested?
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hi. i've been watching this forum for a long time and this is the first time i've wanted to post here. i think your giving us more of those half truths that were mentioned before. if i remember correctly your the one who warned luke735 that he would be banned if he kept posting the way he was not ian. you said you would ban him if he kept going the way he was and you did ban him. if i remember properly ian was happy enough having him posting here that he invited him to. as far as i know the same is true of galien. you warned her a few times and then she was banned. but ian's not be warned at all has he? he's just been banned. one person doesn't want to have to answer ian's questions about his opinions so the answer is to ban ian?

i remember you once said you'd close the forum down if ian stopped posting here. it now looks like you've decided to choose to cut loose all the regulars who actively supported this place for years just to make troy happy. thats uncool uncoolman.
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Ian is not banned from the forum.

He's excluded from the Ex-Christian room, and the Freedom Forum (which he never ventured in anyway)

He has also been excluded from the GRC Chatroom, and happily agreed to stay out of there.

Ian is choosing to leave all the forum rooms, although he is very welcome in about TWENTY of them.
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I really think some of these people are quite literally paranoid and somewhat delusional.  Is this some kind of fallout from being in the cult?  From being in fundamentalist religion too long?  Perhaps I am too far removed from the culture to remember it. After all, I left the RCI in 1988 (22 years ago) and Evangelicalism in 1999 (11 years ago).  Seriously, though I think there might be some truth to this hypothesis.  Some of these people are exhibiting some pretty strange behaviour and quite literally just making stuff up.

Over the last few days both here and in the chatroom, you have been falsely accused of quite a few things including a lack of transparency and spreading half-truths.  I have been privy (of course) to all that was said between you and I and I have yet to see you lie or mislead a single person on here.

I have been accused of demanding that you hand over the forum and that I am pursuing some kind of total domination of this forum.  As you know, I sent you an email letting you know that I would be happy to take it over if you've had enough. You immediately made it clear to me that you were hesitant about such an arrangement and that removing Ian from the forum was not in the mix or even an idea that you would entertain.  It was then that I suggested Ian and I take moderation of different rooms and that I would be happy to have a few Ian free zones.  I actually posted that message publicly here: (Date Posted:16/03/2010 19:06) .

I don't know how I can be any more honest. No matter what I say, how I frame it, or how honest I am, some of these people can only see a hidden Atheist agenda or a Satanic plot to dethrone Jesus and enthrone whoever has replaced the Pope or Henry Kissinger as the Antichrist (I'm out of the loop on that one).

Yes, I got upset when I thought Ian called me gay, but as I said, in the context of what had already been said, it wasn't too much of a leap to that (albeit wrong) conclusion.

Is this how these people live in the real world or do they limit this kind of acting out to their online persona?  Seriously man, some of these people are a long way from reality.


It's all a little freaky.
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Thanks

I don't think it unreasonable to have a room in the forum for people who have left Revial and gone on to become ex-Christians to chat, without having to go toe-to-toe with Ian. If Ian were to have free reign in such a room, we all know Ex-Christians would not post there... Catch-22.
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Troy, if you want to be honest you might want to add you also attacked, personally not only Ian, but anyone who supported him. Thats what got me going. I hadnt even heard of you before, checked this site and seen a heap of strong abuse directed at a group of people I belong to. Maybe as an athiest or agnostic or whatever you are treating others as you wish to be treated isnt your thing. There is some reality.
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Troy, if you want to be honest you might want to add you also attacked, personally not only Ian, but anyone who supported him. Thats what got me going. I hadnt even heard of you before, checked this site and seen a heap of strong abuse directed at a group of people I belong to. Maybe as an athiest or agnostic or whatever you are treating others as you wish to be treated isnt your thing. There is some reality.

Prezy,

Ten or so years back Troy came to attention when he gave a radio interview and was featured in a couple of newspaper articles denouncing Revivalism specifically RCI which he left some time before.  I still have one of the newspaper clippings.  There were some well written articles on the same subject and RCI dogma along with some by Nick Greer written on a forum (now closed) similar to this one which I think the two of them ran together.  I don't personally know him and apart from a few appearances on this forum his name hasn't come up much since.

Surprisingly, perhaps riding on past glory, he swoops in dictator style and with tantrums demanding (and being given) Ian free space on this forum that he would oversee in what appears to have been pre-arranged.  On this performance hardly a responsible overseer on the rooms he wants.   I think his avatar very fitting but doubtful about his rank.  Makes one kind of lose respect.

A word of advice Te Luo Yi;  as new moderator of your new rooms I think it rather socially inept (and somewhat self absorbed) to dismiss a subject with, I think your words were,   "I'm getting bored of this thread now."   *sigh* 

God Bless

Episkopeo 













to dismiss a subject being discussed by members with, I think your remarks were :-      "I'm getting bored of this thread now."   *sigh*   

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...tantrums demanding (and being given) Ian free space on this forum that he would oversee in what appears to have been pre-arranged....  

More paranoia and baseless charges. Can you people hear yourselves?

Anyway, weren't you leaving?  Take care and don't forget to drop in and say hi every now and then.  :)

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...tantrums demanding (and being given) Ian free space on this forum that he would oversee in what appears to have been pre-arranged....  

More paranoia and baseless charges. Can you people hear yourselves?

Anyway, weren't you leaving?  Take care and don't forget to drop in and say hi every now and then.  :)



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Just stating facts comrade.   But I ask, can YOU hear yourself?   Return to recent posts.

You want to get rid of all opposition do you?  I never said I was leaving;  you're misrepresenting again. 

You are giving a perfect example of Revivalist style blame shifting.   Residual effects of Revism again coming forth.

God Bless

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No, you're not stating facts. Your trumping stuff up.  It has been repeated many times over the last few days.  There were no demands ever.  There was no pre-arranged anything...ever.

 HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS NEED TO BE SAID????????

*sigh*   Now I am bored of you.

Why let the truth get in the way of being indignant huh?

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 Ya know, I CAN'T believe that wanting a couple more Ian-free zones in this Forum has caused this much kerfuffle!

It was me who pushed for the Ian-free GRC coffee shop chat room, after finding Ian an insufferable, annoying pig, who liked the sound of his words and his point of view only on, um, let me think, oh yeah, every single topic.

Ian and I, along with a few, others were at loggerheads for months. After it became an 'Ian-free zone', it didn't amount to anything much at all - not in the way that I hoped it would.

Now, I LIKE Ian. He is what he is and he calls a spade a spade and is knowledgeable to boot.

For those of you who don't know Troy- he is in my opinion, a lovely young man!
He helped with situations that you couldn't even imagine. He gave his time and energy to help various people who had just escaped the GRC and were having a really tough time. (not just me and mine)

He is exuberant and effusive and sometimes this leads to misunderstandings. He is no longer a Christian, but it has been a long road that got him to that point.

 Does it really matter that he doesn't share a point of view with some on this Forum. I don't see a header anywhere that says  'Christian Forum.'

If I needed help, Ian (theologically) and Troy are two people I know, would make the effort.

We are all individuals and we react differently to every situation. Sometimes just showing respect, being patient, quiet and watching how things unfold can give you a whole new perspective on a personality or a situation.

I for one, am willing to patiently, without malice, just wait to see how the new Forum unfolds.

There is a need for the Forum, there always has been, since the very first damaged soul left the confines of those God forsaken places. As the GRC and I believe the other Revival Fellowships, begin to crumble faster as each day goes by, there is an even greater need.

One word of encouragement, one sentence that upholds a person or situation, one scripture explained as it should have been interpreted can make all the difference between a life of misery and one of hope.

The question we need to be asking is, "Does it really matter, who brings this revelation to us?"

I have been blessed by knowing both Ian and Troy.

Glad


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No, you're not stating facts. Your trumping stuff up.  It has been repeated many times over the last few days.  There were no demands ever.  There was no pre-arranged anything...ever.

 HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS NEED TO BE SAID????????

*sigh*   Now I am bored of you.

Why let the truth get in the way of being indignant huh?


I'll make this brief - because we can't have the spoilt child bored, can we?   I AM stating facts (refer to the tantrum throwing, name calling posts) and you do misrepresent.  On a more positive note, I'm sure you can do better.

God Bless.

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Go for it!!!!

Just like the splits back in the 90's
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Hi Glad,

Nice reading your thoughts.  Thanks for your post.  The Ian free zone specifically for ex GRC members only, as requested, was a reasonable request.  There are now to be more Ian free zones (one post stated four) but it seems to date two, which specifically exclude Ian while on the other hand all, except Ian, can move freely throughout the forum.  Also there was the maladriot way this was handled.  Read through the entire thread.

 Will there be others facing sudden exclusion without warning from zones if they send home a few points that someone doesn't like or want to hear?   A lot Revivalish wouldn't you say? 

God Bless

Epi

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Hi Glad,

Nice reading your thoughts.  Thanks for your post.  The Ian free zone specifically for ex GRC members only, as requested, was a reasonable request.  There are now to be more Ian free zones (one post stated four)

Well that post would be incorrect -

but it seems to date two, which specifically exclude Ian while on the other hand all, except Ian, can move freely throughout the forum.  Also there was the maladriot way this was handled.  Read through the entire thread.

It was handled incorrectly. I apologise for mishandling the way the 'Ian-Free' zones happened. It seems they're all Ian-free zones now, but that wasn't the intention or desire on anyone's part. Ian should have been notified first, yes. In hindsight I'm fairly certain he would have disagreed with the idea of having some rooms that did not want his input, and politely left, as he has done. 

To clarify, again, Ian has been excluded from three of the twenty-two rooms, because he has a long history of 'taking over' for want of a better term, but he has decided if he can't have access to all, then he wants no part of any.
 

 Will there be others facing sudden exclusion without warning from zones if they send home a few points that someone doesn't like or want to hear?  

The ex-Christian room actually started years ago for ex-Christians only. Ian is a special case, and if you don't understand that then there's not much I can say to clear it up for you.

A lot Revivalish wouldn't you say? 

It seems that EVERYTHING is Revivalish.

God Bless, Epi


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Glad

Thanks for your kind words.  Very sweet. 

As you said, we all have to wait and see how it unfolds.  I suspect it will unfold very nicely.

Now, about getting that tattoo on your hand or forehead...  ;p

Troy
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A token retroactive lynching of Ian would just about put the cherry on the cake for hypocrisy.

Followed of course by the planting of a Judas tree as a memorial to spinelessness. and/or betrayal, a handing out of large mirrors
and free sewing kits for those who are in desperate need of having them sewn back on.
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I just read EVERY word... delicious!  high drama! You Rev Church haters are a stitch.

The last time I was on this site, about 12 months ago, a pouting Didaktikon was threatening to leave...
lol i haven't missed much.

I always made one prayer to God, a very short one. Here it is: "O Lord, make our enemies quite ridiculous!" God granted it.  Voltaire. 

Now I think that you're doing Revival churches a service. By your very existence it shows members and leaders that they can always improve both individually and as a community of believers.  And hopefully the site might act as a balance to those Revivalists who exhibit extreme behaviour.

But you're forgetting an important point... the Australian Constitution enshrines the basic human right to 'Freedom of Religion'.  Whether you like our religion, leaders or members, we have a right to hold our beliefs and meet without harrassment.

Religious freedom is safeguarded by section 116 of the Australian Constitution, which prohibits the federal government from making any law establishing any religion, imposing any religious observance, or prohibiting the free exercise of any religion.

Individuals are free to express a diversity of views, as long as they do not incite religious hatred.

The Australian Government is also committed to encouraging mutual respect, understanding and tolerance among different religions and cultures in Australia and across the region.  

Dept Foreign Affairs and Trade website


I submit to you that members of this forum OFTEN cross this line.  Revival churches have a right to exist as does the quirky group that meets around the corner from you, be it Pentecostal, Evangelical, Mormon, SDA, Scientology, Ba'hai, Hindu, Muslim, or Jewish.

Any thinking person will know that the many claims you make about Revival churches frequently occur among other religions, christian churches, political parties and sporting clubs.

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (Not Voltaire apparently)








 

GAL 5 v 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

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