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Here you go guys, a whole new thread dedicated to the two of you.
Enjoy.      
"Faith is not about everything turning out OK; Faith is about being OK no matter how things turn out."
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In reply to EvilOutsider's comment "galien, I too believe not attending church is not a sin. I too believe what is important is ones personal relationship with God and what is in their hearts, and how they treat fellow men."

I am reminded what Trinculo said in "The Tempest" (William Shakespeare's "The Tempest" Act 2, Scene 2)

"misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows"

John Ray (1627 -1705) more succinctly put it..."Misery loves company" He also said "Guilt is always jealous"

To further mix my quotes, as Mitzi Gaynor asked/sung in "South Pacific"...... "You get the picture?"
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Galien, It did rain yesterday. But I did not come down in the last shower. Your poor little me picked on victim attention getting has not just worn thin, it has worn out.

Not interested in being a victim John, or getting attention. You really do think there is only one way to skin a cat don't you?

You suffer post traumatic stress? Ohhhhhhhhhhhh so that makes it alright to spit vitriol at anyone that doesn't agree with Galienism and the rejection of scriptures that are such a bother! And if that's not enough mix in a lot of misandry. It's OK to laugh and excuse your venom while castigating Ian for having the temerity to exhort, rebuke, teach in line with scripture and SOUND (as distinct from loony, feminist, heretical) doctrine.

Excuse me but I did NOT ask Ian to do any of that. Im here as an ex revivalist to talk to other ex revivalists, not be preached to by the chief dipstick. He's a pig to anyone who doesnt agreed with him. Can't you read, or is it just okay in your mind to be a total prick if you are a chirstian teacher? Or is it that you are so used to putting up with that crap from revival you don't know any better? I'M not the one telling everyone else what a spiritual giant I am, he is. Yet he still can't get something as basic as respect for those who disagree with him right. That being the case, why would I listen to him?

What a cop out. You don't suffer, you have nestled into a place that suits you just fine! A place that you can poke your head out of and take pot shots, then retreat to, feeling self satisfied and justified, and hurt, oh yes, don't forget to feel hurt and talk about your "disorder".

Don't tell me what I do John. Or is that how it works in your family, you tell everyone what they do and think and they are okay with that?

I WILL TYPE IN CAPITALS - IAN WAS INVITED HERE BY THE OWNER OF THIS FORUM AND IS HERE ALSO BECAUSE AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE NOT ONLY HAPPY (sorry you don't understand that word do you) THAT HE IS HERE, BUT APPRECIATE HIS TEACHING AND GUIDANCE.

Well I don't. Perhaps you could explain to him the gentle art of minding his own business. Not that he is capable of that.

And you moan on and on and on and on and on. Give it a rest ! You don't have to repeat your "victim" story again on here....we could all recite it ! We know it .... ad nauseum!

Isn't the modern world wonderful, there's a disorder and an excuse for everything. It's sure a lot better than being responsible, trusting in God, repenting, casting down pride, caring for others before self and all that other stuff in the Bible you don't like.

Oh dear John, your compasion fatigue is showing. I sincerely hope for your sake that is not how others have treated you. As though you know what goes on in the hearts and minds of others. What a joke.

When the author and finisher of our faith, comes on stage at the end of the play of life, he will not ask you if you enjoyed the play...................He will ask of you what part YOU played, and was it according to the script!

What script was that John? See he knows what goes on inside me, you have NO clue. Try some original thought instead of rehashed whatever. Very liberating.

Dave Allen once said that a preacher quoted in his sermon "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth". A little old lady at the front of the church was laughing. "What's so funny?" he asked. She said "I don't have any teeth" He replied "Then teeth will be provided!"

Do or say what you like Galien. Your lovey-dovey pick and choose so-called Christianity perhaps, I repeat, perhaps, may impress or fool some in this life, but naked before God you will weep for every rejection of His words and not only be ashamed, but there will be consequences.

And seeing he knows me soul deep and you dont I have no problem whatsoever with his righteous judgment of me. I have always stood naked before him. How DARE you presume to stand in his place.

Harsh? As my son would say "Not harsh enough!" If you find that judgemental, then throw away your Bible, because it's all plainly written there!

Do you really think you can blame all your heretical rejections on Ian and Revivalists? Rhetorical question. Of course you do!

I am beginning to wish I had not credited you with as much intelligence and insight as I had. You  dissappoint me with your one dimensional assessments of everything I say.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:30/10/2009 5:18 AMCopy HTML

Reply to Galien
 


Then perhaps Ian should learn to act like a gentleman toward those that don't agree with him.


Ian act ??? what for ?? Why ?? I have never seen Ian in my whole life to be able to recognize him.. perhaps he is the spitting image of Darcy Ryan ????  dunno never seen him before ... All I have ever done is trundle over a few thoughts he has expressed on the boards ................

But Ian act ??? Yes I suppose so but if he did act then it would be a pretty hard one to follow at that.. !!!!

Well I have to be away as I have papers climbing out of my ears at the moment and lots more work to do yet.

By the way Ian I read your magnum opus again after I stumbled across the demonstrative pronoun in Acts 2:15 when I picked up on the masculine and I was nicely surprised at what you had to say. Indeed you have kept it simple to the point and that would be even beyond the best brains on offer at the RF.

well am busy and much to do

will catch up in a few weeks

blessings

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Date Posted:30/10/2009 5:23 AMCopy HTML

"As long as Ian is right, and the rest of us are conforming like good little christians, that is his only concern. Jesus was not like that".

That is wrong on so many levels, I'm not sure you realise what you say.

It would be the prayer of every Christian that they conformed like good Christians. When you put in the derogatory 'little', demeaning the whole concept, denegrating the walk of so many as no more than 'goody two shoes' types. Not sure those who walk on as Christians, without complaint, through tough and terrible times, would appreciate that.

That is not what I meant chips. I meant that to people like Ian conformity is more important than the heart.

If someone accused me of making sure everyone was conforming as a good Christian, I'd be delighted. I'm sure Ian will be, too.

Well I dont know how it works for you chips but im more than busy enough dealing with the beams in my own eyes to be running around pulling the splinters out of others. What other christians do is their business, im there to support them, not judge them as is the practice of some.

As for "Jesus was not like that" .... hello? Are we talking about the same warrior and lord here? The one who fought to the death, conquered it and rose again in order that we can live with him forever?

Yes we are. I dont think he was too worried about where my bottom sits on a sunday when he was up there dying for me. He did that out of love, not obedience.

Am I missing something, or reading too much into a phrase so glibly and thoughtlessly turned out?

Im tired of control freaks chips. I don't read jesus as one, and i beieve those truly walking in him dont need to control others.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:30/10/2009 5:37 AMCopy HTML

In reply to EvilOutsider's comment "galien, I too believe not attending church is not a sin. I too believe what is important is ones personal relationship with God and what is in their hearts, and how they treat fellow men."

I am reminded what Trinculo said in "The Tempest" (William Shakespeare's "The Tempest" Act 2, Scene 2)

"misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows"

John Ray (1627 -1705) more succinctly put it..."Misery loves company" He also said "Guilt is always jealous"

To further mix my quotes, as Mitzi Gaynor asked/sung in "South Pacific"...... "You get the picture?"

This is exactly what I mean. Who DO you think you are to make light of Evil Outsiders love for God or what s/he believes?

Sometimes I wonder why some of you people ever bothered leaving revival. You still think it is okay to poke fun at others who do things differently from you. Grow up!
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:30/10/2009 6:57 AMCopy HTML

Galien,

I dont think he was too worried about where my bottom sits on a sunday when he was up there dying for me. He did that out of love, not obedience.

Tsk, tsk. I thought you knew your Bible? At least, you've claimed too smiley9

"And being found in human form, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death—even death on a cross." Philippians 2:7 & 8.

Goose.

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Date Posted:30/10/2009 7:31 AMCopy HTML

Ian,

dont think he was too worried about where my bottom sits on a sunday when he was up there dying for me. He did that out of love, not obedience.

Tsk, tsk. I thought you knew your Bible? At least, you've claimed too smiley9

"And being found in human form, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death—even death on a cross." Philippians 2:7 & 8.

Goose.

Now why does it not surprise me that you believe he died for you because he had to, not because he wanted to?

"for God so loved the world that he GAVE his only begotten son........." gift. free. God is love in case u hadn't noticed.

Legalist.

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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:31/10/2009 2:40 PMCopy HTML

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 HHmmmm, Fremde - I'm sorry that you interpreted my angst as encouraging Galien, it was more the cry of someone who once regarded this particular Forum site as a marvelous tool that could be used to free people from the tyranny of the GRC.

I think Brolga (being a person who has actually met me) was the one who understood my cry.

I do however stand rebuked by you because I relied on the interpretation of others, rather than scrolling back, to see exactly what you had written about drugs/medication for depression and illnesses etc. I apologise for that.

Funnily enough, I was INCLUDING Ian as part of the 'inspirational, educating and uplifting' force on this site. I just don't feel the need to harp on the fact that I am a convert now.

The war of words between Galien, Ian and whoever else joins in, is however, not educational and it is NOT edifying. It should not spill over and consume threads that were for an altogether different topic. My opinion only.

I believe (I could be wrong) that Ian and Galien on some level actually enjoy jousting with one another. Ian is a big boy - if he didn't want to continue with Galien, he wouldn't, it is as simple as that. He has the ability to remain detached while he educates, admonishes and argues with folk on the Forum. It is that ability that sets him apart from the rest of us. (pooh-boy --excepted)

So emotively speaking--- You expected better of me than to be sucked in by Galien's points of view, Galien's heresies will be on my head (and a couple of other people) and I (only me) may get more than fleas if I lie down with dogs.

I'm sorry, I seem to be a little detached myself tonight. I have only, very slightly, taken umbrage at your admonition.

Cheers,

Glad 



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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

Date Posted:31/10/2009 10:22 PMCopy HTML

Hi, Glad.

As you know, I tend towards writing with a twist of irony and my tongue planted firmly in my cheek, largely because such suits my particular sense of humour I've referred to Paul, several times now, as "pooh-boy" because: (1) his choice of 'handle' (i.e. "Groagan") is Australian slang for faeces, and (2) the content of his posts largely suits the epithet. Mea culpa!

Anyway, as you also know I gave an undertaking which I have long kept, and that was to avoid contributing to the 'GRC-only' sub-forum. However, I will join in with conversations that involve me, even if they appear in loosely GRC-themed threads. It often seems that such is the only interaction taking place in such threads anyhow (I've not personally seen anything "GRC-ish" that's been in any way constructive in ages).

And in closing you pegged me squarely, I do enjoy engaging with Galien on a certain level; she provides considerable 'grist' for my 'mill' (presenting as she does, as the archetypical example of an ignorant and wholly subjective Revivalist). Again, mea culpa!
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And in closing you pegged me squarely, I do enjoy engaging with Galien on a certain level; she provides considerable 'grist' for my 'mill' (presenting as she does, as the archetypical example of an ignorant and wholly subjective Revivalist). Again, mea culpa! smiley9

As do middle aged army and ex army white guys who think they know everything about everything (including god) and love to ram it down the throats of others, and just want to be on top, whilst having no actual care for said others outside making sure they are on the right path to "right thinking". Now I wonder why that would provide grist for my mill?

None so blind as those who will not see.

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Date Posted:01/11/2009 2:11 AMCopy HTML

Brolga,

Darn it, and I thought I read somewhere Galie was going to behave.

When I say behave I mean I will temper my language and keep the bitchy insults to an absolute minimum. What I won't do is ignore the truth of what is plainly in front of my eyes. To be honest Ralph, the thing that annoyed me more in revival than the oversight, was the members who watched bad things go down, complained about it regularly but never had the courage to say what needed to be said to the people that needed to hear it.

One of the things in life I don't understand is the apparent lack of courage in the average person to stand up against things that are unjust and inequitable. Just because a person is in charge of something, has a university degree or three, has managed to worm their way up a heirarchy system of any kind, or stands behind a pulpit every sunday does not make those people automatically right, trustworthy or integrous.   

As a young woman I allowed myself to be abused by a cult based on the above assumption. We all make decisions based on assumptions that are not even in our conscious minds. My experience with revival sent me on a journey to find out what is BEHIND what people do. What assumptions drive us, particularly the ones we never question. Now I question everything. I will never again allow a person no matter who they are or who they claim to represent get in between myself and my saviour.

But I will try and behave Brolga.smiley16smiley16smiley16smiley16


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Galien,

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who
is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be credibility smiley9

Goose.

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Ian,

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be credibility.

Yes, I bet Hilary Clinton thought so too.

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Galien,

Well now, in my defence me being: (1) monogamous, (2) completely faithful to my wife, and (3) never having been a sex worker; I guess I'll just have to defer to your considerable experience with/about those who simply can't keep their flies zipped and the effect of such on their credibility smiley17

Goose.

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Ian

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be
credibility

Well since your mate paul counted all that stuff as dung compared to knowing the measure of the stature of the fullness of christ, i guess we have a pretty good idea what it is worth to god.
It's just ego. That stuff exists to impress the neighbours, and if they are impressed by it then I guess they are either not very bright or they are just sucked in by the ways of the world.

Credibility looks more like this:

Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

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Galien,

Ha, ha, ha. Speaking of credibility, I note that you're still "picking-and-choosing" which bits of Scripture you're prepared to "...wrest to your own destruction"

Goose.

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Ian,

Ha, ha, ha. Speaking of credibility, I note that you're still "picking-and-choosing" which bits of Scripture you're prepared to "...wrest to your own destruction"

Well Mr Obedience who thinks he knows god better than any of us, perhaps you would like to explain to us why all those things paul counted as dung make you more credible than those personal qualities god INSTRUCTS us to take on.

"he has shown you o man what is good, and what does the lord require of you? to do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with your god"

Not a degree or a position of authority in sight. Funny that.
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Galien,

I can sum things up in one word: "obedience". Whatever credibility I possess hinges on, and extends from, my single-minded obedience to God. I choose to do what he says; you should try it sometime.

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Ian,

I can sum things up in one word: "obedience". Whatever credibility I possess hinges on, and extends from, my single-minded obedience to God.

Yes. It does. So stop waffling on about your credibility coming from other sources and show me and others some humility and kindness and I might listen to what you have to say.
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Galien,

Go back and review. The only person who has consistently listed my "achievements", and has sought to tie them to my "credibility" (generally in order to attack my character), is you. But as for me needing to demonstrate "humility" and "kindness" towards you, so as to somehow garner your attention, well, piffle and nonsense smiley1  I lost all interest in caring whether you listened to me or not when it became obvious months ago, that you simply couldn't "cork" your "gob" for long enough to "hear" anyone else. Sorry, but all you are to me is an interesting side-distraction smiley9

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Ian,

Well, I suppose that a person who is in charge of something, who does have a university degree or three, who has been successful at advancing in a hierarchical system of some kind, and who is invited to stand in a pulpit (or several) now and again; has at least one advantage over those who haven't achieved similarly. And that would be credibility smiley9

I can sum things up in one word: "obedience". Whatever credibility I possess hinges on, and extends from, my single-minded obedience to God.

So is it the first one, or the second one, or are you a bit confused due to the heat? If you are saying the first extends from the second, I say, then send Mr Hinn a prayer cloth and he will make sure you get rich.

The only person who has consistently listed my "achievements", and has sought to tie them to my "credibility" (generally in order to attack my character), is you.

Well unless you catalogued them first as well as mentioning your six figure income, as well as using them to back up your so called credibilitry more than once, guess I wouldnt have much to go on now would I?  I don't attack your character Ian, I point out that you have some major lessons to learn when it comes to the love of god, which for all your study you are not even close to understanding.

People who understand such things dont need to google a person's name then write on a christian forum the name of the prescription drugs people have taken in the past, or bring up the fact they used to be a sex worker in order to attack THEIR character.

She who has been forgiven much, loves much.

But as for me needing to demonstrate "humility" and "kindness" towards you, so as to somehow garner your attention, well, piffle and nonsense

Well at least you can spell them, if not demonstrate them. As I have said to you many, many times I am more concerned with the nasty way you speak to others. It isnt irony, it isnt your sense of humour, its you being mean because it rings your bells to know you are verbally able to shred others. Has nothing to do with me getting your attention, rather establishing said credibility as a man who knows god.

 smiley1  I lost all interest in caring whether you listened to me or not when it became obvious months ago, that you simply couldn't "cork" your "gob" for long enough to "hear" anyone else. Sorry, but all you are to me is an interesting side-distraction smiley9

Well being the legalist you are Ian I would not have expected the slightest shred of actual care for my soul from you.

In all fairness though, those of us who truly love god are always capable of change. Im sure if you ever get past this pious nonsense, I'm sure with god's help you will be one outstanding human being and child of god.smiley15


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Galien,

You are indeed the mistress of global statements! smiley1
My advice? You really do need to check that penchant for, how shall we put it? "Embellishing" the truth?

To begin with my academic achievements are relatively well known here, and are apparently a source of either embarrassment or envy to some, given that  every now and then someone like you raises them to conclusively "prove" that I'm a follower of the "letter" rather than the "spirit" of the law
Am I ashamed of the fact that I've spent a number of years being obedient to God, in learning how to read and interpret Scripture honestly so as to teach it to others? Hardly, and why should I be? Second, my comment about my "six figure salary" had a specific context in a specific discussion. As I recall it had something to do with you attacking any and all who were "successful" according the "the world's" standards of success (apparently to you being successful in life has less to do with hard work then it does with buying into an ungodly system). Sour grapes on your part, methinks. Goose. Third, it isn't I who has misunderstood what's entailed in actually loving God. After all, I've pointed you to several biblical passages that tie such love to obedience, yet you never respond to this rather inconvenient truth, do you? Fourth, I didn't need to "Google" your name in order to determine the fact that you've been medicated for depression for most of your adult life, and that you've been in therapy for around twenty years. You've mentioned both facts yourself. Fifth, you might have forgotten, but it was you who quite candidly admitted to having been a whore; you did so several times in fact, and generally within the context of one of your "Oh woe is me, all men are evil" episodes. Perhaps your comment was tied to one of the many, "I've loved and followed Jesus since I was nine", speeches, but I can't honestly recall. However, that you did try to imply a link between me and Bill Clinton's peccadillo via inference is really quite ironic, when you think about it. Sixth, why should I continue wasting effort or concern in attempting to "reach out" to you, when all you're interested in doing is slapping away the hands of everyone who does, all the while engaging in rampant acts of self-justification for your rebellion against God and your hate for Christians and the Church? Hypocrite. Seventh, given your most recent use of the word, I'm guessing that you understand what is implied by the term "legalist" about as well as you do what's implied by the Bible's teaching on obedience! Remember what happened when you called me a "Pharisee" recently? Eighth, I stopped caring for your soul about the same time that I stopped trying to convince you to give give greater heed to Scripture and lesser weight to your multiplied and erroneous opinions. Unlike you, it seems, I'm not a slow learner.

In a nutshell, m'dear; you lie, misrepresent, misconstrue, misquote, besmirch, belittle and play the hypocrite far too frequently for me to lose a moment's peace worrying about how you perceive me smiley12

Goose.

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Brolga,

Ian, quit being nasty to me when you are  explaining to  me the  correct interpretaion of scripture and the path to take  into eternal life

Why would he be nasty to you? You always agree with him and infer you cannot find eternal life without his help. Which is of course, exactly how he likes it.
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Ralph and Ian,

And you both changed toward me when I stopped blustering and started praying and listening! Heh heh heh, it seems there is a pattern. Of course you and I Brolga could always fall back on being old (or is that ancient?) but we both know that In would not have cut us any slack, no not for one moment, and God be thank that he didn't!

Thanks Ian for the reminder of the interesting sequence of Galien's confessions. Like all self deluded (throw Brolga and me into that mix in the recent past and perhaps you Ian in the very very distant past), Galien is in a downhill spiral of self justification with no scriptural, spiritual or credible basis to her heretical, and pick out what she wants, and make up what she wants, as she goes along heresy. I did pray last night and I will pray again that she sooner rather than later repents, in the true meaning of repent, a change of heart, a change of mind, and finally decides, as long line of the repentant before her, that her way is not God's way.

Glad, my response was narky, and I apologise for my excessive admonition to you.

I, as one who, like a dog returned to my vomit, and had an excessive prodigal life, before finding more grace with God. Unlike Galein, I am not proud of it. I find Galien's imaginings and suppositions about Ian not just to be excessive, but slanderous, deceitful and devilish. It is one thing to when losing and argument to name call, it is another to attack a person's, morality, charity to those in need, decency, marital faithfulness, loving kindness as a father and husband etc. without one skerrick of evidence, but rather, borne out of misandry, disobedience, rejection of sound doctrine and an over active mind that creates poison out of what is "thought to be" rather than reality. Galien condemns that Ian earns a six figure salary. Is that a crime? How much does he disperse to the poor? The scripture says that "they that are rich should be rich in good works" 1 Timothy 6:18. On what basis does she condemn? Silly me, is there ever any basis to her slander? Some years ago my company made over one million dollars profit in one year. No doubt she will be apoplectic when she reads this! How's that Ian? Big enough cat among the pigeons for her do you think?

Galien stands condemned because of her personal, untrue and vile attacks on Ian's character, and she lost any credibility with me and many others on this forum on that alone. My "gutter" comment still stands, there was no inference to upbringing or social status but simply the vile, I repeat, her vile utterances.

Galien has "upped the ante" to speak and now tries her tricks on me. There is no innocence. It is typical of anyone that is a selfish attention getter, they try on anything that they think will draw away the exposure of their own shortcomings, their lack of care for others, their self focus. Don't forget of course that with such a character, there is always the self justification that the opposite is the case. Watch this space, as, on call, true to form Galien will re-counter true to type, about as genuine as a three dollar banknote. It is not that she can't help herself, it is because she won't help herself.

She needs a lot of prayer, but repentance and a change of life's choices are what she really needs.

John
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Ian

To begin with my academic achievements are relatively well known here, and are apparently a source of either embarrassment or envy to some, given that  every now and then someone like you raises them to conclusively "prove" that I'm a follower of the "letter" rather than the "spirit" of the law 

No its the fact you think you are better than others that has that affect

 Second, my comment about my "six figure salary" had a specific context in a specific discussion.

Face it Ian, only a tosser would say that in any forum.

 As I recall it had something to do with you attacking any and all who were "successful" according the "the world's" standards of success (apparently to you being successful in life has less to do with hard work then it does with buying into an ungodly system).

Seeing I have never had a problem with hard work I wouldn't know.

Third, it isn't I who has misunderstood what's entailed in actually loving God. After all, I've pointed you to several biblical passages that tie such love to obedience, yet you never respond to this rather inconvenient truth, do you?

Don't have to. Love God with all my heart soul mind and strength.

Fourth, I didn't need to "Google" your name in order to determine the fact that you've been medicated for depression for most of your adult life, and that you've been in therapy for around twenty years.

Been medicated since 1994, not most of my adult life, more's the pity. And the undertones are not lost on anyone with a brain. We know you think depression is a result of a weakness of some kind. Ignorant goose.

Fifth, you might have forgotten, but it was you who quite candidly admitted to having been a whore; you did so several times in fact, and generally within the context of one of your "Oh woe is me, all men are evil" episodes.

I admitted to being a sex worker, not a whore. But seeing you enjoyed labelling me as such, enjoy. Since my sin has been forgiven and removed as far as the east is from the west, I no longer have any shame, even though your brand of christian ALWAYS tries to pop it on my account when no one is looking. Part of that whole "I would never do anything like THAT" delusion that some christians have.

Perhaps your comment was tied to one of the many, "I've loved and followed Jesus since I was nine", speeches

Not a speech, a reality, but not one I would expect you to understand.

However, that you did try to imply a link between me and Bill Clinton's peccadillo via inference is really quite ironic, when you think about it.

Gee u r dumb sometimes. I was saying that just because a person might have power and education that is no reason to ASSUME they are trustworthy. At no point did I, or would I accuse you of such a thing. 

 Sixth, why should I continue wasting effort or concern in attempting to "reach out" to you, when all you're interested in doing is slapping away the hands of everyone who does, all the while engaging in rampant acts of self-justification for your rebellion against God and your hate for Christians and the Church?

I don't hate anyone Ian. I am embarrassed that the church cannot do any better and at times makes Jesus a laughing stock before the wider world with its inability to be honest with itself and others. And oh dear, I don't go to church, what a rebellious evil cow I am.

Seventh, given your most recent use of the word, I'm guessing that you understand what is implied by the term "legalist" about as well as you do what's implied by the Bible's teaching on obedience! Remember what happened when you called me a "Pharisee" recently?

Yes I do, you waffled on with rubbish and refused to take responsibility for your legalism. You have a problem with the letter of the law mister. 

Eighth, I stopped caring for your soul about the same time that I stopped trying to convince you to give give greater heed to Scripture and lesser weight to your multiplied and erroneous opinions.

Oh, so you can only care for my soul if I agree with you? Ian I never invited you to convince me of anything, you have been the one who rudely continues to hammer me.

Unlike you, it seems, I'm not a slow learner.

Only when it comes to how to stop looking down on others and treating those who disagree with you with some respect. But we will continue to pray for you.

In a nutshell, m'dear; you lie, misrepresent, misconstrue, misquote, besmirch, belittle and play the hypocrite far too frequently for me to lose a moment's peace worrying about how you perceive me

With an ego the size of yours, I wouldn't expect anything else.

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Fremde,

 Galien condemns that Ian earns a six figure salary. Is that a crime? How much does he disperse to the poor? The scripture says that "they that are rich should be rich in good works" 1 Timothy 6:18. On what basis does she condemn? Silly me, is there ever any basis to her slander? Some years ago my company made over one million dollars profit in one year. No doubt she will be apoplectic when she reads this! How's that Ian? Big enough cat among the pigeons for her do you think?

I could care less what he or anyone else earns. EVERYONE knows why people mention how much their salary is and only tossers do it. One million profit? Is that all?

One can serve god or mammon, but not both.







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Is that all? Well that was only one year. A stockbroker in the USA some years ago made a billion in one year. He said it was not enough to live on ...but it was a start.

You could care less? The vulgar epithet betrayed you, or should I say, revealed you once again for what you are.

One can obey God's Word in the Bible or excuse yourself as to why not. One cannot do both.
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Ian,

I forgot to thank you for bring to remembrance a scripture a few days back. Galein refuted that Jesus suffering was an act of obedience, which is to be expected as it is in the Bible and it comes under her heading of the bits she rejects because they are contrary to her doctrine.

The scripture of course is "Although he (Jesus) was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered" (Hebrews 5:8 ESV)

In your last posting you said of Galein "you lie, misrepresent, misconstrue, misquote, besmirch, belittle and play the hypocrite far too frequently"

And effortlessly, true to form, to ensure there was no doubt whatsoever that you are right, she answered using that exact framework. Affirmation of your morality, a tragedy for hers.

I think from now on I shall think of her as Mary Baker Eddy Aimee Semple McPherson Galien

The similarities are astounding.

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Fremde,

Perhaps I misunderstood you. You say you were in a pool today. Did someone strap you to a dunking stool? Did they warn you of the consequences next time, hence your confused mind blaming me as your current misandrist target? I certainly don't advocate burning you at the stake, what a waste of good firewood that would be!

"There stands, my friend, in yonder pool
An engine called the ducking-stool;
By legal power commanded down
The joy and terror of the town.
If jarring females kindle strife,
Give language foul, or lug the coif,
If noisy dames should o­nce begin
To drive the house with horrid din,
Away, you cry, you'll grace the stool;
We'll teach you how your tongue to rule.

I bet you know that one word for word. But the question is, how does one teach a man to tame his tongue?
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Galien,

I bet you know that one word for word.

You just can't help yourself and wont try will you. See the weblink under the quote? I found it after you made your sick, screwy, paranoid, self-pitying quote about me wanting to burn you at the stake. Because you know how "it" works. Whatever "it" is. Do you realise what a screwy comment that is?

But the question is, how does one teach a man to tame his tongue?

That's easy, show a little kindness. Act with some dignity. Show humility and you'll get humility in return. Be an example. Obey God and show the fruit of the Spirit. Love and obey God's Word as holy and say and do no contradiction to it. Let no corrupt speech come from your lips or in your writing. Act like a friend and you will get friendship in return. As you sow, so shall you reap. If you sow frowardness, rancour, spite, vitriol and hatred, you will reap the same but more plentifully. Don't be a gainsayer. Tongue taming has no gender.

We learn by example. When I sat in the Officer's Mess (with my wife) at Victoria Barracks on Friday, I realized I was the lowest ranking ex-officer in the room. I was treated as an equal. I have a few "bugs" from 38 years ago. I subtly asked a few questions of three or four people. I came away incredibly edified, counselled, nurtured and enlightened. I invited a man for whom (with others) I had formed an honour guard nearly forty years ago, to join a reunion barbecue we intend to have in our new apartment with those officers I graduated with in 1971. I sensed he was a bit lonely. He accepted with glee! The night wasn't for me about eating and drinking. It was about finding out, fellowshipping, learning, enlightenment, getting answers to misconceptions and burying some gripes. I have differing values, beliefs, aspirations, opinions, lifestyle to many of the men and women at the dinner, that didn't mean I couldn't enjoy their company and be edified.

You described yourself in an earlier post as young. At 50 you are a bit delusional.
You have an extremely closed mind which is not a trait of the young. At nearly 61, I am still learning and open to rebuke, exhortation, correction etc. despite having had many undeserved kicks in my life, because I look forward, not ever backward and dwelling on it, as you. You are old and bitter already and by the national average you have forty per cent of your life still to live!

Allegorically, you are not a bucket half full or half empty person. You hate buckets! Because the bucket is the wrong colour, or the water too cold, too hot, you don't like water anyway, or whatever. Anyway you reckon a sieve is better than a bucket anyway! It like your arguments won't hold water.

Chuck your spiritual sieve away! To continue my allegory, some people throw water over you and get you wet in the hope some will land in the bucket and fill it eventually. David only had a cup, but it ran over for him.

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Galien,

To begin with my academic achievements are relatively well known here, and are apparently a source of either embarrassment or envy to some, given that  every now and then someone like you raises them to conclusively "prove" that I'm a follower of the "letter" rather than the "spirit" of the law.

No its the fact you think you are better than others that has that affect.

Really? Well that's quite an interesting proposition given that I've not once ever claimed to being "better" than anyone else. More knowledgeable than many about Scripture? Certainly. More capable with respect to biblical interpretation than most? Absolutely. But "better"? For what it's worth, I believe the issue is likely that your obsessive-compulsive tendencies, coupled with your mistaken belief that all people are equal, leads you to be continually "competing" against others--in this case, me


Second, my comment about my "six figure salary" had a specific context in a specific discussion.

Face it Ian, only a tosser would say that in any forum.

Is that so? And how would you describe someone, then, who has at various times publicised the following details about herself on this forum: (1) that she believes herself to be intellectually "gifted", and "smarter" than most people. (2) That she doesn't need to heed the advice of anyone, whether medical doctor or theologian, given that she is perfectly capable of "reading books" for herself. (3) That she has worked as a prostitute, in spite of claiming to have followed Jesus wholeheartedly since the age of nine. (4) That she was dismissed from employment at a school quite recently, for engaging in a sexual relationship with one of the children, and then in spite of claiming to have followed Jesus wholeheartedly since the age of nine. Would such qualify for the epithet, "tosser"?

Goose.

Third, it isn't I who has misunderstood what's entailed in actually loving God. After all, I've pointed you to several biblical passages that tie such love to obedience, yet you never respond to this rather inconvenient truth, do you?

Don't have to. Love God with all my heart soul mind and strength.

I see. So God gets to have your "heart, soul, mind and strength", but you get to keep your will?! The actual point that I made above, and which you yet again avoided responding to, was that according to the biblical teaching "love" for God is contingent upon "obedience" to him.

Been medicated since 1994, not most of my adult life, more's the pity. And the undertones are not lost on anyone with a brain. We know you think depression is a result of a weakness of some kind. Ignorant goose.

And you know that, do you? Based on which statements of mine to such an effect? That I once said that I was more robust emotionally than you? Or was it something else? Please feel free to elaborate.

Fifth, you might have forgotten, but it was you who quite candidly admitted to having been a whore; you did so several times in fact, and generally within the context of one of your "Oh woe is me, all men are evil" episodes.

I admitted to being a sex worker, not a whore. But seeing you enjoyed labelling me as such, enjoy. Since my sin has been forgiven and removed as far as the east is from the west, I no longer have any shame, even though your brand of christian ALWAYS tries to pop it on my account when no one is looking. Part of that whole "I would never do anything like THAT" delusion that some christians have.

A "sex worker"? What's that? "Politically correct" speech? According to my dictionary the definition for "whore" is as follows: (noun) a woman who engages in sexual activities for payment, a prostitute. Isn't that exactly what you admitted to being? Ergo, how is my use of that particular word misleading? Furthermore, given your penchant for, and obvious enjoyment in, falsely labeling others (e.g. "legalist", "Pharisee", etc) I'm surprised that you can keep a straight face whilst playing the hypocrite once again smiley9 There are failings, both moral and ethical, which are par for the course with being human. However, choosing to be a "sex worker", and choosing to have sex with a minor when employed in a position of trust, don't really fall in the aforementioned category. And I doubt that you would be able to find very many Christians of any persuasion who would disagree with me on this point. So what is it? Another example of you worrying about the "splinters" in others' eyes, but ignoring the "beam" in your own?

However, that you did try to imply a link between me and Bill Clinton's peccadillo via inference is really quite ironic, when you think about it.

Gee u r dumb sometimes. I was saying that just because a person might have power and education that is no reason to ASSUME they are trustworthy. At no point did I, or would I accuse you of such a thing.

Obviously. Which explains why other people made the same connection that I did given that you had been discussing me, and that I had responded concerning your statements about me. Or is it simply the case that you use the English language differently to most people? smiley11

Sixth, why should I continue wasting effort or concern in attempting to "reach out" to you, when all you're interested in doing is slapping away the hands of everyone who does, all the while engaging in rampant acts of self-justification for your rebellion against God and your hate for Christians and the Church?

I don't hate anyone Ian. I am embarrassed that the church cannot do any better and at times makes Jesus a laughing stock before the wider world with its inability to be honest with itself and others. And oh dear, I don't go to church, what a rebellious evil cow I am.

To begin with, 'yes', you are "a rebellious evil cow". But I don't think Jesus really needs you to be worrying about how the world perceives his Church, especially given the massive world-wide numerical growth in Christianity over the past two hundred years. Anyway, to respond to another of your many "untruths", you've made it abundantly clear exactly what you think of Christians and the Christian Church both here and in the 'CBox'.

Seventh, given your most recent use of the word, I'm guessing that you understand what is implied by the term "legalist" about as well as you do what's implied by the Bible's teaching on obedience! Remember what happened when you called me a "Pharisee" recently?

Yes I do, you waffled on with rubbish and refused to take responsibility for your legalism. You have a problem with the letter of the law mister.

And yet another lie (you're really "on a roll" with this lack of truth telling, aren't you?). I didn't respond to your misinformed and childish name-calling quips re: "Pharisee", but Shoes; however, gave you an abbreviated history lesson on the matter which apparently succeeded in temporarily "corking" your "gob". And of course, obedience to God's will as outlined in Scripture doesn't make one a legalist, it makes one a Christian. But given your particularly low level of biblical and theological literacy, I'm not particularly surprised that you'd make such an obvious error.

Eighth, I stopped caring for your soul about the same time that I stopped trying to convince you to give give greater heed to Scripture and lesser weight to your multiplied and erroneous opinions.

Oh, so you can only care for my soul if I agree with you? Ian I never invited you to convince me of anything, you have been the one who rudely continues to hammer me.

Stop playing the hypocrite for a moment and reflect on the fact of what I actually said above. I didn't say anything about the need to agree with me. I simply stated that you needed to heed Scripture more than you did your personal opinions. And such has been my consistent refrain with you these past months.

In a nutshell, m'dear; you lie, misrepresent, misconstrue, misquote, besmirch, belittle and play the hypocrite far too frequently for me to lose a moment's peace worrying about how you perceive me.

With an ego the size of yours, I wouldn't expect anything else.

And given your displayed psychopathology to date, I didn't really expect a rational, objective or unemotive response from you. I guess, then, neither of us was particularly surprised
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Goose.

Ian
   

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Ian

A "sex worker"? What's that? "Politically correct" speech? According to my dictionary the definition for "whore" is as follows: (noun) a woman who engages in sexual activities for payment, a prostitute. Isn't that exactly what you admitted to being?

So? I have no problem telling the truth about anything I have done. And after dragging around a b double of shame for 20 years after the fact even though I had been forgiven, your opinion means nothing. Clearly Ian when I asked you what your faults were and the best you could come up with was "sometimes I don't do the things I say I will do", your insight into the truth of yourself is pretty minimal. I "chose" to be a sex worker when I was 19 and my first marriage fell apart. After having been bashed by the man I loved for two years, leaving my job because emotionally I could not cope with it and having no success getting another one, I turned to prostitution so I could pay my rent and eat, which is not unusual in girls as damaged as I was at the time who have no family support. Lucky for me I could only manage it for about three months because the guilt I felt was eating me up. I can not begin to explain how exploitative that entire industry is of damaged young women. If only men could keep it in their pants, there would be no need. But men being what they are, thats not likely. If there is no demand there would be no need for supply.

Ergo, how is my use of that particular word misleading?

It is judgemental, and exactly the thing you do that shows that you think you are superior Ian.

Furthermore, given your penchant for, and obvious enjoyment in, falsely labeling others (e.g. "legalist", "Pharisee", etc) I'm surprised that you can keep a straight face whilst playing the hypocrite once again. There are failings, both moral and ethical, which are par for the course with being human.

However, choosing to be a "sex worker", and choosing to have sex with a minor when employed in a position of trust, don't really fall in the aforementioned category. And I doubt that you would be able to find very many Christians of any persuasion who would disagree with me on this point.

Oh I know what Christians think about all that Ian, they left me in no doubt whatsoever. If I had done anything illegal I would be in jail. The fact is, you think I should be and you think I am a disgusting piece of shit, and every single thing you have said to me just drips with it. However, you seem to forget it takes two to tango, and as I have mentioned before the fact I was used and dumped did not hurt any less because I was older than the person involved. I don't have sex with children Ian. The whole episode came very very close to costing me my life. Guess you think that is exactly what I deserved.

But, you will keep rubbing my nose in it as proof positive of what a terrible person I am. I have made a couple of glaring mistakes in life. So? Strangely, the whole episode gave me my life back again. He woke up me the capacity for love, something I thought had long since died during the course of my second marriage. These days I can laugh again, allow myself to make mistakes without beating myself to death over them. I have grown a thicker skin, I no longer want to run off and take my own life when people think badly of me. 

So, say what you like Ian, its all been said before.

From the day I came back to this forum I have watched you speak to every single person who disagrees with you like they are dirt under your feet. That has been the issue the whole time. Now somewhere in there, underneath all the layers of Ian are some attitudes that allow you to do that. All you ever needed to do Ian was examine yourself and ask yourself why you think it is okay to treat people like that. But no, you would rather go through all this mudslinging rubbish.

But you won't because the great Ian Thomason is so perfect, so obedient, so fully understanding of the nature of god that he doesnt need to examine himself, yet still you are a respecter of persons when god says not to be.

My sin is out there for all to see, but yours remains hidden and shall continue to do so.

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Galien,

You are very good at judging others, aren't you. But you clearly don't appreciate it when others point out your failings? smiley9

A "sex worker"? What's that? "Politically correct" speech? According to my dictionary the definition for "whore" is as follows: (noun) a woman who engages in sexual activities for payment, a prostitute. Isn't that exactly what you admitted to being?

So? I have no problem telling the truth about anything I have done. And after dragging around a b double of shame for 20 years after the fact even though I had been forgiven, your opinion means nothing. Clearly Ian when I asked you what your faults were and the best you could come up with was "sometimes I don't do the things I say I will do", your insight into the truth of yourself is pretty minimal. I "chose" to be a sex worker when I was 19 and my first marriage fell apart. After having been bashed by the man I loved for two years, leaving my job because emotionally I could not cope with it and having no success getting another one, I turned to prostitution so I could pay my rent and eat, which is not unusual in girls as damaged as I was at the time who have no family support. Lucky for me I could only manage it for about three months because the guilt I felt was eating me up. I can not begin to explain how exploitative that entire industry is of damaged young women. If only men could keep it in their pants, there would be no need. But men being what they are, thats not likely. If there is no demand there would be no need for supply.

I'm very sorry that I couldn't 'fess up to being a "sex worker", or drug addict or murderer to make you feel a little better about yourself. But you really do take the cake when you blame your choices on those men "who couldn't keep it in their pants". Hypocrite! Your own actions with the boy at the school demonstrates that you couldn't contain your lust either
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Ergo, how is my use of that particular word misleading?

It is judgemental, and exactly the thing you do that shows that you think you are superior Ian.

What my use of the word "whore" was, was a statement of fact. You clearly prefer "sex worker", given that it seems less offensive to the ears and character. However, you say po-tay-toe, I say po-tart-ho.

However, choosing to be a "sex worker", and choosing to have sex with a minor when employed in a position of trust, don't really fall in the aforementioned category. And I doubt that you would be able to find very many Christians of any persuasion who would disagree with me on this point.

Oh I know what Christians think about all that Ian, they left me in no doubt whatsoever. If I had done anything illegal I would be in jail. The fact is, you think I should be and you think I am a disgusting piece of shit, and every single thing you have said to me just drips with it. However, you seem to forget it takes two to tango, and as I have mentioned before the fact I was used and dumped did not hurt any less because I was older than the person involved. I don't have sex with children Ian. The whole episode came very very close to costing me my life. Guess you think that is exactly what I deserved.

The only thing I find disgusting are your efforts to minimalise your culpability, so as to justify what you did. Here are the facts: (1) Being under the age of 18, according to the law the boy was a minor and as such he was a child. (2) You were employed by a Christian school, and you were aware of their moral code of conduct, which you agreed to uphold and support. (3) But you didn't. Apparently the boy "couldn't keep it in his pants", and apparently you didn't object to the fact yourself. But how dare those Christians expect you to: (1) behave like a responsible and moral adult! (2) To keep your word! (3) To act like a Christian who understands right from wrong by virtue of supposedly having a regenerate moral compass! Yes, how dare those Christians be offended in discovering your betrayal of them, and your placing their school at risk! How dare they!


But, you will keep rubbing my nose in it as proof positive of what a terrible person I am. I have made a couple of glaring mistakes in life. So? Strangely, the whole episode gave me my life back again. He woke up me the capacity for love, something I thought had long since died during the course of my second marriage. These days I can laugh again, allow myself to make mistakes without beating myself to death over them. I have grown a thicker skin, I no longer want to run off and take my own life when people think badly of me.

I could care less for the fact that you've made mistakes in life, as everyone has. But I do care about the fact that you are so quick to judge others, and then without a shred of proof in support of your allegations. I do care about the fact that you are a blatant hypocrite, and that your actions betray your true character. I do care about the fact that you claim to being a Christian, yet you continue in open disobedience to God, being contrary to his will as found in Scripture.

From the day I came back to this forum I have watched you speak to every single person who disagrees with you like they are dirt under your feet. That has been the issue the whole time. Now somewhere in there, underneath all the layers of Ian are some attitudes that allow you to do that. All you ever needed to do Ian was examine yourself and ask yourself why you think it is okay to treat people like that. But no, you would rather go through all this mudslinging rubbish.

How you perceive I treat people, and how I do treat people are quite different. I have very little time (or stomach) for hypocrisy, willful ignorance, self-delusion or deception. I will engage with people according to the manner in which they are prepared to engage with me, and sometimes that involves calling a "spade" for precisely what it is.

But you won't because the great Ian Thomason is so perfect, so obedient, so fully understanding of the nature of god that he doesnt need to examine himself, yet still you are a respecter of persons when god says not to be. My sin is out there for all to see, but yours remains hidden and shall continue to do so.

The gravest sin that anyone has ever been able to lay at my feet on this site, has been that of arrogance. And that charge usually gets trotted out only after I've conclusively disproved a fallacious opinion or argument. However, I've never been labeled a liar, or a hypocrite given that I expect no more from others than what I expect of myself. If you believe differently, feel free to knock yourself out trying to establish as much.

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Ian,

You are very good at judging others, aren't you. But you clearly don't appreciate it when others point out your failings?

I dont need anyone to point out my failings. I live with them every day and am quite well aware what they are.

Im very sorry that I couldn't 'fess up to being a "sex worker", or drug addict or murderer to make you feel a little better about yourself. But you really do take the cake when you blame your choices on those men "who couldn't keep it in their pants". Hypocrite! Your own actions with the boy at the school demonstrates that you couldn't contain your lust either.

It's funny you should say that Ian considering I had been celibate for nine years between the time my husband left and when I had that involvement. Not one single boyfriend, and before that faithful to my husband for the 16 years we were together. Stupidly I allowed a church to talk me into giving up my hatred for mean and changed my antidepressant to one that made my hormones go off like a volcano. Which for a person with chronic depression was pretty amazing seeing I'd had practically no sex drive for about 20 years.You can see how lust driven a creature I am. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story will you.

You just go on enjoying that charmed life of yours Ian.


The only thing I find disgusting are your efforts to minimalise your culpability, so as to justify what you did. Here are the facts: (1) Being under the age of 18, according to the law the boy was a minor and as such he was a child. (2) You were employed by a Christian school, and you were aware of their moral code of conduct, which you agreed to uphold and support. (3) But you didn't. Apparently the boy "couldn't keep it in his pants", and apparently you didn't object to the fact yourself. But how dare those Christians expect you to: (1) behave like a responsible and moral adult! (2) To keep your word! (3) To act like a Christian who understands right from wrong by virtue of supposedly having a regenerate moral compass! Yes, how dare those Christians be offended in discovering your betrayal of them, and your placing their school at risk! How dare they!

Excuse me you stupid moron but I know EXACTLY what my level of culpability was, and you don't seeing you know nothing about what happened. Clearly if I was culpable to the level that you believe I would have been punished accordingly. The way I was treated by my so called friends was more than enough punishment.  You try living with being accused of things you havent done and being treated like a scarlet woman that deserves nothing better than a good tar and feathering.

Trust me Ian being judged by social mores is not nice, not kind, but exactly what I expect from mindless idiots who make up their own minds without knowing the facts. But hey, all you mindless idiots know more than the relevant statutory bodies. Of course you do. I am the one who has had to live with what happened, not you.

How you perceive I treat people, and how I do treat people are quite different. I have very little time (or stomach) for hypocrisy, willful ignorance, self-delusion or deception. I will engage with people according to the manner in which they are prepared to engage with me, and sometimes that involves calling a "spade" for precisely what it is.

Fine, but don't expect me to respect you as a christian teacher when you willfully refuse to control your own mouth.

The gravest sin that anyone has ever been able to lay at my feet on this site, has been that of arrogance. And that charge usually gets trotted out only after I've conclusively disproved a fallacious opinion or argument. However, I've never been labeled a liar, or a hypocrite given that I expect no more from others than what I expect of myself. If you believe differently, feel free to knock yourself out trying to establish as much.

Well you are the labelling master, are you not? Mr judge jury and executioner in the physical absence of god himself.

I wouldn't bother trying to establish anything Ian seeing you never listen anyway. Just go on being a total prick to people who disagree with you. And why not, its a good ploy to see who will be controlled by you and who wont. I am over you and your silly rot.

You take everything that sucked about revival, dress it up in a new dress labelled christian orthodoxy and continue to treat people exactly the same way. Ludicrous.
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Galien,

'Nope', just reminding you of the fact of your hypocrisy, m'dear, in the (vain) hope that you'd finally learn to listen rather than continuing your practice of making unfounded allegations and personal attacks And that is one very clear distinction between us, I suppose. What I've written has been factual; based on your admissions. The faerie tales that you've offered up, however, aren't based on anything more substantial than your imagination.

And as for me showing you compassion, well, I'm finding it rather difficult to be compassionate to one so self-serving, self-justified and arrogant as you
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Galien,

Me lose my sense of humour? I reckon you could turn a children's birthday party into a wake! Which of your multiple personalities is the funny one? I must have missed it.

I must say though I found your explanation that prostitutes wouldn't exist if there was no demand for their services sadly amusing. You really are a sad misandrist. I note that in earlier postings you make out everything is butterflies and bluebirds for you and men are rotters, and then you come out with a statement of 20 years with practically no sex drive. I reckon if you stay on the forum long enough you will get in the Guinness Book of records for the number of times you have contradicted yourself, it must be very close to a record already.

I have come to the conclusion that you are argumentative far and beyond the point of rationality because you have no idea of the difference between right and wrong, sin and righteousness, rebellion or obedience. Your answers are full of self justification and feigned acceptance of your sin, but you make no attempt, and go as far as to refuse, to change your ways.

The Bible says that Moses chose rather to be mistreated with the people of God than enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. (Hebrews 11:25 ESV).

When will you choose? Will you choose? Can you choose? Or do you enjoy your sinful and wilful disobedience to God's Word so much, that you will always refuse to obey?

You can't keep blaming and using others as scapegoats, your time will run out.
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Which of your multiple personalities is the funny one? I must have missed it.

Amongst other things.

I found your explanation that prostitutes wouldn't exist if there was no demand for their services sadly amusing.

So are you saying that the sex industry, like every other industry, does NOT operate on demand and supply? I'm sure they would be interested in hearing that.

I note that in earlier postings you make out everything is butterflies and bluebirds for you and men are rotters, and then you come out with a statement of 20 years with practically no sex drive.

I believe I intimated more than once that I have had very bad depression since about 1975. If that equates with butterflies and bluebirds in your mind, perhaps you should reread what I have written. Lack of libido is a major symptom of depression.

I have come to the conclusion that you are argumentative far and beyond the point of rationality because you have no idea of the difference between right and wrong, sin and righteousness, rebellion or obedience. Your answers are full of self justification and feigned acceptance of your sin, but you make no attempt, and go as far as to refuse, to change your ways.

John, if after my revival experience and associated similar ones, I had NOT learned the lesson of who knows what they are on about and who doesn't then the whole exercise would have been pointless really. If people want to dribble rubbish at me, I'm certainly not going to sit there like a demure little maid and not challenge it.

When will you choose? Will you choose? Can you choose?

Sounds like Dr Seuss. The kid and I both had a giggle.

Or do you enjoy your sinful and wilful disobedience to God's Word so much, that you will always refuse to obey?

Yeah that not going to church is such an evil act, and as long as they are full of people like you and your mate, that won't change. The only thing that really scares me, is that if I went back to church I would once again end up like you or him. NO THANKS!

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Galien Number ?

Please tell the other Galien identity that it was her blaming men that sparked the response. Perhaps she did not realise that the other identity had made the posting blaming men. My responses were that that was preposterous.

Galien in the school yard, hits another kid. The teacher reprimands Galien. She responds "but I got hit first". The teacher responds "but I saw you hit first". Galien responds "but I got hit first". The teacher shows video footage of the incident. Galein responds "but I got hit first, ask anybody". Multiple witnesses agree with the teacher and the video footage. Galien responds "but I love everybody, I have since I was seven, I got hit first". Galien hates them all. They don't understand what it is like to get hit first, and says that the teacher has no right to judge her. She refuses to go to school, because all teachers are wrong, and going to school is wrong, especially because schools are full of judgemental teachers.

The incident gets sold to Rod Serling for an episode of "The Twilight Zone".
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Fremde,

Please tell the other Galien identity that it was her blaming men that sparked the response. Perhaps she did not realise that the other identity had made the posting blaming men. My responses were that that was preposterous

Unlike you I don't see  everything as having fault, or the need to blame "someone". I was commenting on a well known fact.

Galien in the school yard, hits another kid. The teacher reprimands Galien. She responds "but I got hit first". The teacher responds "but I saw you hit first". Galien responds "but I got hit first". The teacher shows video footage of the incident. Galein responds "but I got hit first, ask anybody". Multiple witnesses agree with the teacher and the video footage. Galien responds "but I love everybody, I have since I was seven, I got hit first". Galien hates them all. They don't understand what it is like to get hit first, and says that the teacher has no right to judge her. She refuses to go to school, because all teachers are wrong, and going to school is wrong, especially because schools are full of judgemental teachers.

Galien in the schoolyard would NEVER hit another kid. Galien has, from the age of 5 protected the weak children from bullies, and even at that age, demanded from them what gave them the right to judge others as unworthy of decent treatment. Galien has done so her whole life, and will continue to do so, wherever she finds bullies. Even in positions of authority, the church, the workplace, internet forums. Galien will continue to demand to know from bullies exactly who the hell they think they are to treat other people badly. All the more so when they claim to represent god on the earth.
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Galien,

So you don't blame you just write "facts"? So when you disparage men that is a fact. Women are exempt, but not men. Every criticism is not blame, or a generalisation, it is a "fact". So under your rules of engagement, what if I say that I am stating facts and you are blaming? Have I said that you as a woman are to blame because women are like that, as a fact? Would that fit in to the Galien way, or would that be irrational? Both. Your game is half blame, half self justifications and you have neither eyes to see or ears to hear anything else.

Fact. Women have had the vote for nearly 100 years in most democracies. Fact. Women represent more than 50% of the population in democracies. Fact. During the last 100 years there have been many deaths, injustices, wrongdoings etc. than ever before in democracies. Fact. Women, by power of their over 50% of the vote must be responsible. Fact. Men by reason of not being the majority cannot be held responsible. Basis of the hypothesis? Galien logic.

"Facts" are like statistics. You can make them mean whatever you like. Lord Asquith said "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". I venture that one could also say the same for your "facts". I had never heard the term "proof-texting" till Ian levelled it at me. It annoyed me. It annoyed me some more. Then I thought about it, prayed about it, then saw I was self-justifying what I wanted to believe.

My story about the irrational child Galein was of course, a kind of parable. You replied with a fairytale. You protected people from the age of 5? Surely for you that was late! I would have thought it would have been at least 4 years before that, or perhaps even earlier! Where did you create your delusional past? From a Supergirl comic?

You are the worst kind of bully, because you justify every mean act, every spiteful writing, every superiority, or pretend it didn't happen most of the time. The rest of the time you blame it on others or a disorder or depression or whatever comes to mind to justify your hate. Isn't the Internet wonderful, one can find more excuses than before its creation? You've even found a website that says you are a genius! General Patton claimed to be the reincarnation of a Roman General. Tom Cruise believes Scientology has done wonders for him. Your a genius! Weren't you just bagging Ian for stating his real status in response to a question I had asked him? You called him some real foul names to demean his qualifications etc. Then you trot out a web link to proclain you are a genius! No, I won't up the ante, but I will say what a total hypocrite you are.

Of course, if challenged you can always go into "poor little hard done by me mode" not forgetting to one-up the bullying at the same time. People who are not bullies do not spit venom, crudely abuse, wrongly disparage a man's character, sexuality or marital relations. Bullies do, because they justify themselves.

There have been instances of such people repenting apologising and chaging their ways. They are the ones Jesus said he came to save.
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So you don't blame you just write "facts"? So when you disparage men that is a fact. Women are exempt, but not men. Every criticism is not blame, or a generalisation, it is a "fact". So under your rules of engagement, what if I say that I am stating facts and you are blaming? Have I said that you as a woman are to blame because women are like that, as a fact? Would that fit in to the Galien way, or would that be irrational? Both. Your game is half blame, half self justifications and you have neither eyes to see or ears to hear anything else.

I have no idea what you are on about John. People have sex, male and female because they have hormones.

Fact. Women have had the vote for nearly 100 years in most democracies. Fact. Women represent more than 50% of the population in democracies. Fact. During the last 100 years there have been many deaths, injustices, wrongdoings etc. than ever before in democracies. Fact. Women, by power of their over 50% of the vote must be responsible. Fact. Men by reason of not being the majority cannot be held responsible. Basis of the hypothesis? Galien logic.

Again, no idea what you are on about.

"Facts" are like statistics. You can make them mean whatever you like. Lord Asquith said "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". I venture that one could also say the same for your "facts". I had never heard the term "proof-texting" till Ian levelled it at me. It annoyed me. It annoyed me some more. Then I thought about it, prayed about it, then saw I was self-justifying what I wanted to believe.

I could care less what Ian says. Continue to bow down to him if you like. It's no skin off my nose.

My story about the irrational child Galein was of course, a kind of parable. You replied with a fairytale. You protected people from the age of 5? Surely for you that was late! I would have thought it would have been at least 4 years before that, or perhaps even earlier! Where did you create your delusional past? From a Supergirl comic?

Nope. Don't have a delusional past, and don't tell lies. If I had a deusional past and was a liar, wuold I have admitted to some of the things I have here? Nope, would have embellished my life so I was as pure as the driven snow. But, being a christian, I always tell the truth. Even though it constantly gets me into much more trouble than lying would.

You are the worst kind of bully, because you justify every mean act, every spiteful writing, every superiority, or pretend it didn't happen most of the time.

Don't have superiority, and yes, sometimes I put the boot in. But being the evil, heretical lying satanic beast you believe me to be, that should hardly suprise you.

The rest of the time you blame it on others or a disorder or depression or whatever comes to mind to justify your hate. Isn't the Internet wonderful, one can find more excuses than before its creation? You've even found a website that says you are a genius!

See this is where I get into trouble. I assume you have the intelligence to understand what gifted means. When will I ever learn. Only one way to skin a cat in your mind John. I should know by now that any attempt to explain anything will be met by you and your mate with some kind of sneering derision. You might try re-reading the part that makes it clear the negative aspects of emotional intensity. Like the fact i have spent most of my life until the last 12 months feeling like the scum under everyone's boot. But don't let that reality get in the way of your silly stories.

Read the part about how frightening and painful it is to live with such intensity, the part where feeling different from everyone around you alienates you. But no you will continue to believe I am trying to say I am better than everyone and self important.

People who are not bullies do not spit venom, crudely abuse, wrongly disparage a man's character, sexuality or marital relations. Bullies do, because they justify themselves.

All I asked Ian to do from the beginning was close his nasty mouth. I did NOT disparage his marital relations.
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Ian,

Quite possibly. However, the melodies that I play are far easier on both the ear and spirit than are the harsh, scratchy tunes of some.

Not to my ears. The discord of "this is how you will live your life because I know the bible and I will tell you what it says until your ears bleed, and you WILL be obedient because in the kingdom of god love doesn't matter, and if it does its not that silly emotional stuff only women feel blah blah blah" will always be offensive to my ears.
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Galien,

'Yes', not to your ears. But we all know that you're "gifted" (*ahem*), and consequently the world doesn't make sense to you in the same way that it does to everyone else. Perhaps, then, it's not me with the issues?

Oh, by the way, if you're going to seek to represent what I believe, then you might try representing my actual beliefs rather than your bizarre misinterpretations of the same. Could you do that, even once, do you think?

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Ian,

'Yes', not to your ears. But we all know that you're "gifted" (*ahem*), and consequently the world doesn't make sense to you in the same way that it does to everyone else. Perhaps, then, it's not me with the issues?

and.....................cue the sneering derision. Predictable.

Oh, by the way, if you're going to seek to represent what I believe, then you might try representing my actual beliefs rather than your bizarre misinterpretations of the same. Could you do that, even once, do you think?

However I put it, its all the same. You think you know the bible better than anyone else, and that you have the right to be rude and judgemental on the strength of that.



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Galien,

Well given your approach to matters generally, if anyone would be able to recognise "sneers" and "derision" it would be you, deary

But a correction: I don't think I know the Bible better than everyone. I do, however, know it much better than do you. And that's what's important when it comes to informed and meaningful biblical discussions smiley9

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Any idea how many ex revivals I know who have walked away from god? Too many.

After years of sitting there being told what to think, how to think, what to feel, how to feel , how to address god, how to perceive god, how to love god, how to be a christian "properly" blah blah blah too many people are just sick and bloody tired of it. Some of us NEED to be allowed to love god and perceive him the way our heart does, need to be allowed to use the brain, the intuition and the spirit god GAVE us. We dont all want to be a bunch of clones any more. THAT IS WHY A LOT OF US LEFT REVIVAL. Leave us alone and let us love god the way we do. Our relationship with him is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

We don't want to be part of ANOTHER group that thinks THEY own the truth of god and everyone else is an uninformed idiot. We want to REALLY love god and others from the depths of our souls without some kind of prescription to do so. How DARE anyone presume to tell another how to love their god, or tell them how they love him is WRONG.

A lot of people understand god is a CONSTRUCT and no two people will have the same construct unless someone picks up a bible and TELLS them - this is what your construct "should" be. Never mind that people have actual experiences with god that are NOT mentioned in the bible. Of course they are NOT really of god because if no example can be found in the bible of said experience it MUST be false. God cannot possibly do ANYTHING that isnt written in the bible. He is only god.
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Galien

How DARE anyone presume to tell another how to love their god, or tell them how they love him is WRONG.


How dare *you* presume to tell *me* that I should not love YHWH by pointing out to someone who claims to be a Christian when he/she is not doing what is written in what I believe to be YHWH's inscripturated word, and is therfore not doing what JHWH says?
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Galien,

I personally find it ironic that those with the least idea about a given matter are invariably those who have the most to say, albeit with the fewest "facts"!
Unfortunately for you having an alarming level of biblical and theological ignorance doesn't qualify you to share your silly personal opinions here as if they somehow warranted serious consideration. And given our shared Revivalist past, of "kow-towing" to Lloyd Longfield's similarly bizarre personal opinions, why should we credit your rubbish any higher?

Goose.

Ian

P.S. To use your turn of phrase: some are uninformed idiots.

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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Talmid

How dare *you* presume to tell *me* that I should not love YHWH by pointing out to someone who claims to be a Christian  when  he/she is not doing what is written in what I believe to be  YHWH's inscripturated word, and is therfore not doing what  JHWH says?

If your love for YHWH is contingent on telling others what they are doing wrong, then I feel sad for you.
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Re:The Galien (ladies first) and Ian Mutual Admiration Site

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Ian,

I personally find it ironic that those with the least idea about a given matter are invariably those who have the most to say, albeit with the fewest "facts"! Unfortunately for you having an alarming level of biblical and theological ignorance doesn't qualify you to share your silly personal opinions here as if they somehow warranted serious consideration. And given our shared Revivalist past, of "kow-towing" to Lloyd Longfield's similarly bizarre personal opinions, why should we credit your rubbish any higher?

I was under the impression that this was a forum for revival and ex revival members, not a weekly newsletter for those who had chosen to belong to the "orthodox" church only. Seems no one else even gets a look in here anymore if they are not one of your followers. Has everyone else just left due to lack of interest?

I don't kow-tow to anyone Ian.

You are just another religious dogmatist.





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