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I remember hearing Pastor Hollins saying that from the platform "praise the Lord of 72" I didn't know what it meant, as I was only a kid. I asked my parents one day and they said it was when the Lord pruned the assembly, cutting off the backsliders and leaving the true church. Well I know now that is a very warped version of the story, but what I don't know is what is the real story, I couldn't find anything on the '72 split on rc.cult site or on wikipedia, so can anyone tell me why did they split or point me to a website?

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 Hi slkjack,

A brief history from my studys of the GRC:

1909  - The first Pentecostal Church 'Good News Hall' formed  by Pastor Janet Lancaster (female pastor!!!)

1920's  - Many indepedent pentecostal churches join together and form  pentecostal movements

1937 - Pentecostal  Churches Australia (including Good News Hall) and Assemblies of  God Australia unite and become the Assemblies of God Australia (which  changed name in 2007 to Australian Christian Churches)

1944  - Leo Harris and Thomas Foster split from the Assemblies of God over  British-Israelite doctrine which was not approved by the AOG.  They  formed the National Revival Crusade.  In 1950 Noel  Hollins and family were "saved" by Lloyd Longfield in this movement.   Noel Hollins was ordained as a Pastor in 1952 by Thomas Foster in  Ballarat.

1952 - Leo Harris together with most  of the Victorian churches split from Thomas Foster (including Lloyd  Longfield and Noel Hollins) and formed the Commonwealth Revival  Crusade.  About 1956 Noel Holins relocated from Ballarat to  pastor the work in Geelong.  (In 1963 Thomas Foster and Leo Harris  reunited and renamed their assemblies Christian Revival Crusade)

1959  - Noel Hollins and Lloyd Longfield split from the Commonwealth Revival  Crusade and formed the Revival Centres Australia(now  known as Revival Centres International)  This is  when they changed their doctrine of salvation from the Christian  doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ - to the  revival doctrine that one must speak in tongues to be saved.

1962'ish  - All the eldership and many others left the Geelong assembly and  rejoined the Commonwealth Revival Crusade.

1972 - Noel  Hollins split from the Revival Centres Australia.  Noel Hollins did not  rename his movement, but instead set up his assemblies as pty ltd  businesses, which allows them to control who can and can not attend,  thus making them the extreeme exclusive cult they are now.

1991  - Scott Williams lead another split from the Revival Centres  International and became the Christian Assemblies International

1995  - John kuhlman lead another split from the Revival Centres  International and became the Revival fellowship

These  4 Revival cults all have their origins in good and Godly churches, just  because of human ego and power to control these cults have been birthed  and have grown and continue to decieve people.  If you are in the GRC  or any of the other revival cults, or if you have left them but haven't  found God, then please look at their history, the Australian Christian  Churches (AOG) and the Christian Revival Crusade have more than 1,500  churches nationally and they are still preaching the same salvation  message as they were in 1909, which is very different to the message  changed message taught by the GRC, CAI, RF and RCI ...
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"1972 - Noel Hollins split from the Revival Centres  Australia.  Noel Hollins did not rename his movement, but instead set  up his assemblies as pty ltd businesses, which allows them to control  who can and can not attend, thus making them the extreeme exclusive cult  they are now."

                                           +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

         Prior to the  "split", Jack Clay and Noel Hollins were running the 'Hall' in High St.  Belmont (Sth side of Geelong). Jack was a man with his own 'means' of  employment and was cast as the 'Minister' ? while Noel Hollins was more  in the "Pastorial" side of things full-time.

         Apparently  Doug? Warren (a parishioner) had supposedly had done something wrong  ? and was 'put-out' by Noel Hollins and  Jack Clay didn't know of what  had been going on causing a dispute between Jack and  Noel which developed into the 'split'. This created the opportunity for  Noel Hollins to 'go it alone' and be his own boss in the Norlane Hall  (Nth side of Geelong) which was already in operation. 

        Of  coarse and as we all know, no-one was to find out the whole  truth of who said or did what as Noel Hollins made sure that his "flock"  only heard his side of the story ( Noel was Very Economical with the  truth even way back then)  ......   
         ........ sound familiar  ?  Things haven't changed much, have they ! 

        There is  also the fact that it suited some to attend Norlane as they lived on the  'Nth Side of Geelong' and of coarse vise-versa, and others who had no  means of transportation either. 

         What most people don't  know is, that to build the Norlane Hall, it was funded by Jack Clay  mortgaging a property he owned, out of his 'own pocket' (as Jack had his  own means and not from the church) of approximately 1/3 the value of  the contruction of the Norlane Hall, plus funds from other members  pockets too ! 
                                        
                                                 THIS MONEY WAS NEVER REPAID ! 

          ........   sound familiar ?  Things haven't changed much - have they !

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 Noel hollins is a master at 'deception' .....  
Quote :   "  but just said "Just pray." Using prayer to deceive people - how low  can you get."
and he just ignores any concept that he can be told  anything that doesn't suit him. He won't be told and have you ever  noticed how he won't look you eye-to-eye when he is laying down the Law  at you ? That is because he has already made up his mind on 'the  issue'.   ... the " Power of One ".

Quote :   " Noel is evil. "

               I know Noel is Evil and a good friend of mine .... Twiggy, repeatedly  stomps around the house saying ....          " he is Evil, Pure Evil !"   In every aspect of scripture , Noel has violated, twisted and raped the  Word of God but what is worse, he has tampered with peoples souls as  well, chewed them up and spat them out - Spiritually Raped. I can only  concur with you Pilinut.

              Noel Hollins is obsessed  with total control and power, there is No room for two, and is not shy  when it comes to money either ! Noel had to go to court over a ' land '  issue some time ago but I missed by one day to find out the truth about  that matter. I think it was the " adverse possession"  of the block of  land at the Camp site in Ocean Grove, the one obtained to give access to  the service lane in Shell Rd - we called the " Exit gate ". The  people I would like to speak to live somewhere in Colendina but as yet I  haven't found them. They know all about it - they are from the general  public.

              The bottom line is ...
           
        " Noel wanted to be head honcho in 72. There's no room on the pedestal  for 2. Noel is up there all alone - the Lord got pushed off ages ago."
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You can chronicle the history of Pentecostalism in Australia and the Revival Centres here: 
http://revival.aimoo.com/Revival-churches-History-rc-CultWeb-net-1-29178
You just follow the dates on the thread titles and read them chronologically.

Can I clarify a few points?
 
1909  - The first Pentecostal Church 'Good News Hall' formed  by Pastor Janet Lancaster (female pastor!!!)

1920's  - Many indepedent pentecostal churches join 
together and form  pentecostal movements

1937 - 
Pentecostal  Churches Australia (including Good News Hall) and Assemblies
 of  God Australia unite and become the Assemblies of God 
Australia (which  changed name in 2007 to Australian 
Christian Churches)

The Good News Hall was the first Pente church in Australia. 

1944  - Leo Harris and Thomas Foster split from the Assemblies of God over  British-Israelite doctrine which was not approved by the AOG.  They  formed the National Revival Crusade.  

Actually, Foster was never a minister in the AOG but Harris was. They didn't split from the AOG but were kicked out because the AOG rejected the British Israel message and cancelled Harris' ministerial credential when he started teaching it. So Harris and Foster soon after started the NRC

In 1950 Noel  Hollins and family were "saved" by Lloyd Longfield in this movement.   Noel Hollins was ordained as a Pastor in 1952 by Thomas Foster in  Ballarat.

No, Hollins and family were converted under the ministry of Thomas Foster in 1947 before Longfield was in 1948. So Hollins was a part of the NRC before Longfield

1952 - Leo Harris together with most  of the Victorian churches split from Thomas Foster (including Lloyd  Longfield and Noel Hollins) and formed the Commonwealth Revival  Crusade.  About 1956 Noel Holins relocated from Ballarat to  pastor the work in Geelong.  (In 1963 Thomas Foster and Leo Harris  reunited and renamed their assemblies Christian Revival Crusade).

That's mostly correct, but not quite. Have a read through the history threads. 

1959  - Noel Hollins and Lloyd Longfield split from the Commonwealth Revival  Crusade and formed the Revival Centres Australia (now  known as Revival Centres International)  
 
It was actually 1958.

This is  when they changed their doctrine of salvation from the Christian  doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ - to the  revival doctrine that one must speak in tongues to be saved.

No, although the seeds of this doctrine were present at the split, it didn't become doctrine until a few years later.

These  4 Revival cults all have their origins in good and Godly churches, 

Dunno about that. The NRC was formed entirely because of British Israel beliefs which are historically and Biblically inaccurate. You could also say that the AOG distinctive of tongues as sole evidence of the baptism in the HS is also spurious Biblically, so one could question the history back that far too.

If you are in the GRC  or any of the other revival cults, or if you have left them but haven't  found God, then please look at their history, the Australian Christian  Churches (AOG) and the Christian Revival Crusade have more than 1,500  churches nationally and they are still preaching the same salvation  message as they were in 1909, which is very different to the message  changed message taught by the GRC, CAI, RF and RCI ...

Well, that much is true I guess, but I don't know if I'd recommend them much though.

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I remember hearing Pastor Hollins saying that from the platform "praise the Lord of 72" I didn't know what it meant, as I was only a kid.  I asked my parents one day and they said it was when the Lord pruned the assembly, cutting off the backsliders and leaving the true church.  Well I know now that is a very warped version of the story, but what I don't know is what is the real story, I couldn't find anything on the '72 split on rc.cult site or on wikipedia, so can anyone tell me why did they split or point me to a website?

The problem is, by 1972, the Rev Ctrs were experts at hiding the real goings on from their congregations. Because of this, my research turned up absolutely nothing in writing on the 1972 split. In fact, until Glad-to-be-out came on the scene in the 1990s, the GRC was pretty much a closed entity to the outside world. Even I was in the dark about them and I was the one supposedly shining the light on the RC movement back then.

The best I could find was that a NZ RCI pastor named Fred Needham claimed to be in the same room as Lloyd Longfield as Lloyd had the phone conversation with Noel (where Noel and the GRC officially left Lloyd). Yep, it was on the phone. Fred said he heard only half the conversation but Lloyd was pleading with Noel not to leave. 

Fred said after talking to Lloyd, he later understood it that Noel felt Lloyd's churches were too worldly and Lloyd was not taking a strong enough stand against un-Godly behaviour. Noel also claimed Lloyd was too meddling in the affairs of the GRC and was usurping Noel's authority. As Lloyd was the founder of the Geelong NRC and placed Noel there as the pastor, I suspect Lloyd believed he was superior to Noel. As for whether these were the the real reasons or not, one can only speculate, but I get the impression this was what really happened and it was not any deeper than this.

Noel took a few country assemblies loyal to him and a few families (from other assemblies that stayed loyal to Lloyd). These people left and started their own groups in competition with those still loyal to Lloyd. And the rest is history...

So the 1972 split was not very dramatic or over some massive doctrinal dispute.

You can contact Fred and ask him directly if you like. His church website is: 

www.aca.org.nz

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It's interesting to note which assemblies disappeared after the split.

Geelong
Echuca
Swan Hill (but if the pastor there was Jon Smit then he didn't leave with Noel)
Port Pirie

I don't know which groups left with Noel and which just happened to close up shop that time.  

Can anyone shed any light?

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All I know is that Pastor Jack Vicary from Echuca became the GRC pastor in Perth and remained there until his death only a few years ago, I don't recall any GRC assembly in Echucha, Swan Hill or Port Pirie.

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I still have a copy of the origanal transscripts of the 72 break to my knowledge they are the only ones left in excistance regards ex perth member

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I still have a copy of the origanal transscripts of the 72 break to my knowledge they are the only ones left in excistance regards ex perth member

Then , would it be possible for me to peruse them or even get copies of them.

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 Yeah wouldn'f mind reading that myself ... please PM me and I'll give you my email

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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Praise the Lord for '72 Date Posted：02/07/2010 10:54 AMCopy HTML Hi slkjack, A brief history from my studys of the GRC: 1909 - The first Pentecostal Church 'Good News Hall' formed by Pastor Janet Lancaster (female pastor!!!) 1920's - Many indepedent pentecostal churches join together and form pentecostal movements 1937 - Pentecostal Churches Australia (including Good News Hall) and Assemblies of God Australia unite and become the Assemblies of God Australia (which changed name in 2007 to Australian Christian Churches) 1944 - Leo Harris and Thomas Foster split from the Assemblies of God over British-Israelite doctrine which was not approved by the AOG. They formed the National Revival Crusade. In 1950 Noel Hollins and family were "saved" by Lloyd Longfield in this movement. Noel Hollins was ordained as a Pastor in 1952 by Thomas Foster in Ballarat. 1952 - Leo Harris together with most of the Victorian churches split from Thomas Foster (including Lloyd Longfield and Noel Hollins) and formed the Commonwealth Revival Crusade. About 1956 Noel Holins relocated from Ballarat to pastor the work in Geelong. (In 1963 Thomas Foster and Leo Harris reunited and renamed their assemblies Christian Revival Crusade) 1959 - Noel Hollins and Lloyd Longfield split from the Commonwealth Revival Crusade and formed the Revival Centres Australia (now known as Revival Centres International) This is when they changed their doctrine of salvation from the Christian doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ - to the revival doctrine that one must speak in tongues to be saved. 1962'ish - All the eldership and many others left the Geelong assembly and rejoined the Commonwealth Revival Crusade. 1972 - Noel Hollins split from the Revival Centres Australia. Noel Hollins did not rename his movement, but instead set up his assemblies as pty ltd businesses, which allows them to control who can and can not attend, thus making them the extreeme exclusive cult they are now. 1991 - Scott Williams lead another split from the Revival Centres International and became the Christian Assemblies International 1995 - John kuhlman lead another split from the Revival Centres International and became the Revival fellowship These 4 Revival cults all have their origins in good and Godly churches, just because of human ego and power to control these cults have been birthed and have grown and continue to decieve people. If you are in the GRC or any of the other revival cults, or if you have left them but haven't found God, then please look at their history, the Australian Christian Churches (AOG) and the Christian Revival Crusade have more than 1,500 churches nationally and they are still preaching the same salvation message as they were in 1909, which is very different to the message changed message taught by the GRC, CAI, RF and RCI ... Youngies No More
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Praise the Lord for '72 Date Posted：02/07/2010 10:57 AMCopy HTML Noel hollins is a master at 'deception' ..... Quote : " but just said "Just pray." Using prayer to deceive people - how low can you get." and he just ignores any concept that he can be told anything that doesn't suit him. He won't be told and have you ever noticed how he won't look you eye-to-eye when he is laying down the Law at you ? That is because he has already made up his mind on 'the issue'. ... the " Power of One ". Quote : " Noel is evil. " I know Noel is Evil and a good friend of mine .... Twiggy, repeatedly stomps around the house saying .... " he is Evil, Pure Evil !" In every aspect of scripture , Noel has violated, twisted and raped the Word of God but what is worse, he has tampered with peoples souls as well, chewed them up and spat them out - Spiritually Raped. I can only concur with you Pilinut. Noel Hollins is obsessed with total control and power, there is No room for two, and is not shy when it comes to money either ! Noel had to go to court over a ' land ' issue some time ago but I missed by one day to find out the truth about that matter. I think it was the " adverse possession" of the block of land at the Camp site in Ocean Grove, the one obtained to give access to the service lane in Shell Rd - we called the " Exit gate ". The people I would like to speak to live somewhere in Colendina but as yet I haven't found them. They know all about it - they are from the general public. The bottom line is ... " Noel wanted to be head honcho in 72. There's no room on the pedestal for 2. Noel is up there all alone - the Lord got pushed off ages ago." MOTMOT
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Praise the Lord for '72 Date Posted：06/07/2010 5:13 AMCopy HTML It's interesting to note which assemblies disappeared after the split. Geelong Echuca Swan Hill (but if the pastor there was Jon Smit then he didn't leave with Noel) Port Pirie I don't know which groups left with Noel and which just happened to close up shop that time. Can anyone shed any light?
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Praise the Lord for '72 Date Posted：05/04/2012 2:21 PMCopy HTML I still have a copy of the origanal transscripts of the 72 break to my knowledge they are the only ones left in excistance regards ex perth member
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Rank：Poster Grande I Score：12090 Posts：570 From：Australia Register：22/07/2005 8:58 PM	Re：Praise the Lord for '72 Date Posted：06/04/2012 2:59 AMCopy HTML Reply to Guest I still have a copy of the origanal transscripts of the 72 break to my knowledge they are the only ones left in excistance regards ex perth member Then , would it be possible for me to peruse them or even get copies of them. "All History can ever owes us is the Truth" Cheers ..... " Those are my principles and if you don"t like them, I do have others" Come-On ! always tell the truth motmot
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Praise the Lord for '72 Date Posted：07/04/2012 12:07 AMCopy HTML Yeah wouldn'f mind reading that myself ... please PM me and I'll give you my email