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$%*'`[David]%*'`@NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWSDuring the past few years whilevoicing atrocitiesfrom GRC abusive church practices, many people have come forward with their stories of cruelministry in their local situations. However, during this time I have never received one letter via email, telephone call, or even a story second hand, that has involved Pastor Les Shurmer from the Launceston assembly.In the current climate of the GRC organisation, I believe Pastor Les Shurmer deserves to be viewed differentlyfrommany of his colleagues. This GRC forum only exists and is heavily supported because there is so much TRUTH contained within these postingswhichreflects poorly onMr. Hollins and theGRC. In the case of the Launceston assembly, no news is good news, and credit should be placed where it is due.Currently Mr. Hollins is frequently boarding airplanes at a whim of a notion, tovisit various assembliesand squash people who as much as make a suggestion or a complaint. Even during this past week he hasflown across the continent to expel people who were justly concerned about their local assembly. Mr.Hollinsfacial expressions were described tome aslooking like Satan himself as he yelled into the faces of other assembly members, striking fear into all the onlookers. Mr. Hollins wants to create'splits'. He needs to do this for his own self preservation. It has nothing to do with the 'work of the Lord'.Mr.Hollins must maintain control for the sake of his own pride, and it doesn't matter how many peopleare left, as long as whoever is left bow the knee to him.Mr. Shurmer has not only managed to maintainwhat would seem to be a happy assembly atmosphere, but has so far kept his own nose clean. I hope and pray that Mr. Shurmer keeps his congregation safe from theGRC's demise, and chooses to become independent to protect the Launceston fellowship from collateral damage.I have had no contact with Mr. Shurmer. However, I am assuredby Mr. Bruce Branch thatin all the time he has known Mr. Les Shurmer, he knew him as a man who went to Launceston for the RIGHT reasons, andthat this assemblybecame aFRUITFUL BRANCH.

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NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWSDuring the past few years whilevoicing atrocitiesfrom GRC abusive church practices, many people have come forward with their stories of cruelministry in their local situations. However, during this time I have never received one letter via email, telephone call, or even a story second hand, that has involved Pastor Les Shurmer from the Launceston assembly.In the current climate of the GRC organisation, I believe Pastor Les Shurmer deserves to be viewed differentlyfrommany of his colleagues. This GRC forum only exists and is heavily supported because there is so much TRUTH contained within these postingswhichreflects poorly onMr. Hollins and theGRC. In the case of the Launceston assembly, no news is good news, 

              i'll second that

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I was a member of GRC's Launceston branch (known as Bible Salvation Assembly) for about 2 and half years, before being involuntarily pushed to ffice:smarttags" />Bombay, India.  I think LS was not any way near to what Reg Gray was, in Bombay.  I do not have many (does not mean none) complains personally against LS, but need to point out few things that one should look at.  
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Pastor S can be easily put as a fanatic preacher of British Israelism.  As he is a POME, it is well understood why he loves this subject.  I have never seen anyone preaching BI with the passion LS was preaching.  I think you could put Ted Owen next in line, Ted was previously working for English defence force (very convenient for him).  In Launceston hall on every meeting there used to be a union jack stuck on the platform.  He preaches that his church is the only true church on the face of the earth and Noel is the apostle of God.  With such a racist and discriminatory doctrine his assembly is no different than any other GRC assembly.  
 
I have first hand experience of LS's ministry as hypocritical.  He bluntly and thumping his hand on the pulpit used to say that he did not expect anyone in this hall make to 65 before lord returns.  That was in 1990, and the oldest lady in the hall was about 55.  He used to say (from the platform) 1996 as the lords return (from the Pyramid). The urgency that he preaches with is quiet deceiving.  I think this makes him a false prophet.  
 
As far as treating members of the assembly, he aint a saint as well.  I know of one family who was forced to move in to the city (from bush) by him, although they did not want to.  When I wrote a letter to him from India that I was returning back to Launceston (I initially had gone to India for 15 days and not as a minister), in reply he wrote very diplomatically that I am not allowed. 
 
Those days the assembly was renting hall, and I know that LS did not have much to spend on himself or on his family, they lived moderately.  But now they own their own hall.  May be someone want to even check who owns the hall.  I have been told that he has much higher standard of living now, if he does then where this money is coming from.  I was told, that his daughter's  husband had an affair with other married woman in the assembly, but his son in law was treated partially ?   People in the assembly go through nervous breakdowns (I know of one case),  why ?  There used to be a banner in the hall which read ?I am the lord that healeth thee' but I am told his own wife has some healing problems ?  
 
As I said before I do not have much against this man.  But LS is Noel worshipper and therefore not a Christian.  He demands complete obedience to himself, and therefore no different to any other GRC lot.  
 
PS.  I am personally interested to find out who owns the hall now.  I do not mind paying for this search, if some one wants to guide me on this.

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$%*'`[From Brisbane]%*'`@Above post was my post.  Should I expect damnation now ?

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Above post was my post. Should I expect damnation now ? 

Why would you expect damnation?  They're all just mere men who have a lot more to answer for than we do.  
Well as I said, no news is good news.  I know I would be very interested to hear any stories from the apple isle.  Thanks for your informative post.  I was hesitating earlier to say "LS is the best of a bad bunch" but by what you are saying, it would appear he is going down the same lucrative road.  Perhaps he has picked up the pace in recent times to catch up to with the trend setters.
It would be easier for someone in Tas to do a title search.  Anyhow, let's see what we can dig up???

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I was a member of GRC's Launceston branch (known as Bible Salvation Assembly) for about 2 and half years, before being involuntarily pushed to?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" />Bombay,India.I think LS was not any way near to what Reg Gray was, inBombay.I do not have many (does not mean none) complains personally against LS, but need to point out few things that one should look at. 

I know all about the son in law that slept with another woman while married to E.S and I wouldnt use the description of his treatment afterwoods as partial..NO WAY..he was dispised and he chose to leave the assembly,of course he broke his wife's heart but he has given her nothing but grief since then,they have a daughter who is a gorgeous little girl and her father really wasnt that interested in her until he left the assembly..now he is fighting for all the access her can get,more  to be a pain in the arse than anything else I am guessing.His ex wife E is a really lovely woman and didnt deserve the heartache.

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.I know all about the son in law that slept with another woman while married to E.S and I wouldnt use the description of his treatment afterwoods as partial..NO WAY..he was dispised and he chose to leave the assembly,of course he broke his wife's heart but he has given her nothing but grief since then,they have a daughter who is a gor 

Just goes to show the GRC 'saints' are no different to anyone else in 'the world'.

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Reply to From Brisbane
Re your quote
Pastor S can be easily put as a fanatic preacher of British Israelism.  As he is a POME, it is well understood why he loves this subject.  I have never seen anyone preaching BI with the passion LS was preaching.  I think you could put Ted Owen next in line, Ted was previously working for English defence force (very convenient for him).  In Launceston hall on every meeting there used to be a union jack stuck on the platform.  He preaches that his church is the only true church on the face of the earth and Noel is the apostle of God.  With such a racist and discriminatory doctrine his assembly is no different than any other GRC assembly.  

You talk of a racist and discriminatory doctrine yet yoe use the derogatory term of POM  to describe him.
Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
 

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$%*'`[From Brisbane]%*'`@Regarding POME.
Agreed, accepted. I should not have used the term.  
I only used this term as it is so commonly used term here in Australia.  Last month I was in Canberra and bumped into one of my old work mate from my previous employer in UK , he had moved to Sydney just about 6 months ago.  I asked him about does he like living in Australia. His answer was well every now and then i bump in to a POME, so it almost feels like i am still in the UK.  So I believe it is not a racist term.  And if I am not forgetting the first time i ever heard this term was from the mouth of LS, years back in Launceston.    

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NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWSDuring the past few years whilevoicing atrocitiesfrom GRC abusive church practices, many people have come forward with their stories of cruelministry in their local situations. However, during this time I have never received one letter via email, telephone call, or even a story second hand, that has involved Pastor Les Shurmer from the Launceston assembly.In the current climate of the GRC organisation, I believe Pastor Les Shurmer deserves to be viewed differentlyfrommany of his colleagues. This GRC forum only exists and is heavily supported because there is so much TRUTH contained within these postingswhichreflects poorly onMr. Hollins and theGRC. In the case of the Launceston assembly, no news is good news,

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Pom is hardly the same as wog. So "From Brisbane" is not the hypocrite.

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NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWSDuring the past few years whilevoicing atrocitiesfrom GRC abusive church practices, many people have come forward with their stories of cruelministry in their local situations. However, during this time I have never received one letter via email, telephone call, or even a story second hand, that has involved Pastor Les Shurmer from the Launceston assembly.In the current climate of the GRC organisation, I believe Pastor Les Shurmer deserves to be viewed differentlyfrommany of his colleagues. This GRC forum only exists and is heavily supported because there is so much TRUTH contained within these postingswhichreflects poorly onMr. Hollins and theGRC. In the case of the Launceston assembly, no news is good news, 

I was under his ministry as a schoolgoing teenager for about 1/2 a year when he came over here for ministry after the last oversight went back.
During that period of time, I have come to know him & wife quite well as I had to stay over with them for about average 1-2 X per week & have spent most of my school holidays going around with them ministering & translating (as about 3/4 of those whom we witness to do not understand English & I am fluent in most major languages).
As such, at least during that time - I can vouch for his personality & ministry to myself & co.
He was a good oversight who guided us well. He had a deep kindness & in the face of so many needs of the people here, as most were underprivileged - I have often witness him & his wife sharing their personal cash & clothes to help out & make at the very least, not a few people here - those in the ministry & others who we came across.
His words & minstry was always doused with kindness & I have fond memories of him & wife (sadly now, of course).
He usually preached on basic issues - as it was a young ministry here with different need, I suppose but he was also not partial to giving 'hell & brimstone' (that was our 'codeword/nickname) which by itself was appropriate to the situation.
I was also there when he had to have a private talk with some of those who needed it as I was doing the translation for him as well. I found him quite partial, full of kindness & grace at all times & has a sincere love for the work of God here.
I speak not only for him, but for most of those who were sent out to minister to us. Understandably the issue was not with most of them (altho' there were a few who were not so partial).
I speak also for one who have spent much time with those Aussies who were sent out with their wives & have spent much time with them as I was used most of the time for the work e.g. getting tutored in music & sunday school by their wives, most probably due to the fact that I was almost always available & not working full time then.
He was not opposed to my every whims & future plans, one of which is to further my education to the tertiary level & onwards (which of course, is not allowed under NH's rule & by-law) but gave advice as only a surrogate parent would, telling me of the 'Rules' that must never be broken but handing it out to me as a CHOICE - therefore I was to exercise my right to CHOOSE to go back to school /or not whilst knowing what was actually required by me as a member.
That was only one e.g of his way of ministering, & even after all these years, I can still remember Shurmer standing upfront belting out his favourite hymn to us, with so much enthusiasm!
And so, bearing in context that that was the same person I knew ('Ceteris Paribus') :
Here goes to Launceston, Tasmania !
 
 
 

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$%*'`[From Brisbane]%*'`@Edenjoy  you wrote :  'even after all these years, I can still remember Shurmer standing upfront belting out his favourite hymn to us, with so much enthusiasm!'
And I bet the hymn was -  'And did those feet in ancient times Walked upon England's mountains green  And was the Holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen?'
Or
'I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above, Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love; The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test, '

 

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Edenjoy you wrote : 'even after all these years, I can still remember Shurmer standing upfront belting out his favourite hymn to us, with so much enthusiasm!'And I bet thehymn was - 'And did those feet in ancient times Walked upon England's mountains green And was the Holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen?'Or'I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above, Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love; The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test, ' 

Oi!  Now that's a good one, right on.........!
There's another one that conjures him up:-
'Tighten my Grip, Oh Lord, tighten my Grip,
To the hand that was wounded for me, in case I should slip, Oh Lord,
Tighten my Grip, that my life may be hidden in Thee.......'

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Regarding POME.Agreed, accepted. I should not have used the term.I only used this term as it is so commonly used term here in Australia. Lastmonth I was in Canberra and bumped into one of my old work mate from my previous employer in UK , he had moved to Sydney just about 6 months ago. I asked him about does he like living in Australia. His answer was well every now and then i bump in to a POME, so it almost feels like i am still in the UK. So I believe it is not a racist term. And if I am not forgetting the first time i ever heard this term was from the mouth of LS, years back in Launceston.

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I have known Les Shurmer for over 2 decades and can comment from personal experience as to the destructiveness of this man from my time spent in the Bible Salvation Assembly in Launceston.  He does not think twice about breaking families up and rules his flock with an iron attitude. This is not the way of a true shepherd and he is lacking in the qualities of a loving and gracious pastor that Jesus spoke of when teaching on shepherd qualities.
If you do not do exactly as he orders you to (and I mean 'orders' you) you will find him to be a very non forgiving, aggressive, bad tempered, judgemental, arrogant, self righteous and ungracious person to deal with.  
I can truly sympathise with anyone who has been deluded, controlled and manipulated by this individual who models himself on his superior and apostle Noel Hollins.  It is frightening to know from first hand experience what these two false prophets are capable of when it comes to people's lives and emtoinal, health, mental health and spiritual well being.  
For instance if you are a young person and told you cannot marry unless you find someone within their assembly, if you believe if you miss a meeting you are in danger of hellfire, if you are conditioned to judge all other christians (not in their church) and non chirstians alike as falling short and definitely going to hell unless you are part of their assembly.....what does that do for your autonomy as a caring believer and individual?  no wonder people in that assembly have nervous breakdowns as mentioned by a previous member in this forum.
People are held in this church by fear and yes there are some wonderful and truly godly individuals in this assembly but that in no way is attributed to the pastor Les Shurmer who is a very cunning and well practiced brain washer who has had many years practice twisting scriptures to suit his false doctrines and his preaching contains biblilcal truths threaded with falsehoods in order to decieve and control his flock and suit his power tripping.
I wonder where he will stand on that day when the Lord throws the false prophets into the lake of fire?  He certainly better get on his knees and ask forgiveness for some of the shameful destruction in innocent people's lives he has wreaked in his several decades of ministry.

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Well done Dovetail, and I don't say that out of being one-eyed of my own opinion but you are speaking from 20 yrs experience. Like you say, there are many good natured and well meaning people within the group (and as it is in other assemblies, or should I say groups?) and we too were once there ourselves. I too blame myself for the stand I took in defence of the words and preaching of Nasty Noddy, we believed in our hearts that we wanted to follow the Lord and there is no shame in that, but little did we know nor realize then what we were really doing or how we were compromising ourselves.
 
Glad to hear your stand and comments ....... tell us more ?

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Hi motmot I could relate lots of disturbing specific things that have happened over the years in the Launceston Bible Salvation Assembly but suffice to say it will identify me to any spies wathing this site and i have family membrs still in the cult and would hate to think they will cop backlash from "Pastor" and his brainwashed underlings because of any specific revelations, the details of which will identify me immediately.  despite the fact i have moved away i am still in occasional contact with family still in there.  they did suffer retribution for maintaining contat with me as i am to this day and forever more labelled a backslider (a term that dos not even appeaf in the new testament and another example of twisting old testament scriptures that do not relate to those saved in Christ). when i was literally spat on by the pastor for asking some very valid questions and verbally intimidated, threatened and verbally attacked by an elder i decided it was time to cancel Shurmer and co's self proclaimed right to control my life and leave the sect (note i did not turn my back on Christ only the unstable individual who says he is the infallible not to be questioned mouth piece of Christ)  i paid for this by this decision by being stracised and judged by my friends in the group.  it has been good therapy for me to know i am not alone and admire those of you with the courage to speak up.  i do have to wonder how do thelikes of Noel Hollins Les Shurmer Neil Griggs and their underlings of gestapo tactics that do jobs on people's minds and lives block out the whisperings of their conscience and the Lord? 

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My sister in law is from your neck of the woodsShe and my brother and their two daughters are still stuck in the cult light GRC here in Vancouver.
I think they call it Straight Gate Revival Fellowship.
One of the first places that I visited was Taz. And that was many many years ago. But I remember a leason that helped me see what was the truth about the GRCC. And that there were a lot of talks about money. And every other place that I went they wanted money.
And seeing how some if not most of these PASTEREDS! live compaired to the rest of the sheeple I would say to them stop living of the vails of pastertution.

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quite right, and that is why today Noel Hollins  personal fortune is worth about $12 million, all from donations, certainly not from wages !

" Those are my principles and if you don"t like them, I do have others" Come-On ! always tell the truth motmot

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Hi, Dovetail.

You might not want to hear this, but it seems to me that you've provided more than enough very specific information in your last post to enable Shurmer to identify you without much trouble (i.e. you shared the fact that you moved away, that the 'pastor' 
actually spat on you, that you were verbally attacked by an elder, and 
that you still have family in the assembly). The question now becomes: do you want to continue living in fear of the man, even though you've left his circle of control? Understand this, if Shurmer is vindictive and/or stupid enough to try to take out his frustrations with you on your remaining GRC family members, then his actions might very well be the trigger that sees them packing their bags as well!

Next, and a small point: whilst the term 'backslider' might not appear in your preferred Bible version, the word perfectly describes a spiritual state about which Scripture (including the New Testament) says a great deal. If you're not backsliding yourself, there is no reason to be 'splitting-hairs' over the terminology.

In closing: (1) men like Shurmer have only as much power, as much influence, and as much authority as people like you are prepared to grant them. Deny him any of the above and the 'bogeyman' loses his principle weapon of control, fear. (2) The leaders of the GRC don't represent God, they don't hear from him, and they certainly don't speak for him. You'll find plenty of support in the Christian Church, but you'll find none in aberrations of the same (such as the GRC). (3) It's not a productive use of your time to be fretting about what might or might not be happening to your family members who remain in the Launceston GRC. They are there by choice after all; consequently, 'worrying them out' isn't really an option. However, 'praying them out' certainly is!

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 that's very possible Ian that i can be identified and no it would not be a catalyst for my family members leaving, it is after decades the central part of their lives, they have made it clear that the assembly family outweighs any minor significance of a natural family.  there remains much debate about the term backslider used freely on new testament believers who leave the cult.  les shurmer teaches his flock to judge and look down on anyone who des not consider every word that proceedeth from his mouth to be the infallible mouth piece of Christ.  yes he gives prophesies in old king james language "thee" "thy" "thou" etc in his heavy acc ent which i always thought sounded like a welsh friend of mine.  it is such a joy to enjoy fellowship now with fellow believers with a true and non judgemental loving heart under the teaching and visions of pastors who do know what it is to be a shepherd of the Lord.  i never felt that with shurmer and his cronies who think nothing of expelling young teenagers out from their family if they refuse the mandatory baptism at turning age 14. that is disgusting and elders in that church have done that more than once to hold onto their position of eldership at the time.  Keith Hastings at Launceston assembly BSA brags about kicking both his daugters out of home when they turned   "of age ""

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 i also wanted to mention that the spitting i received from Les was actually a spray of saliva coming a my face because being a mere female in his eyes he appeared not to respect personal body space at all and i am taller than he somhe positioned his face only a 20 centimetres from mine while yelling at me in fierce eyes emblasoned fashion to try to intimidate me and subdue me i.e. force me to step back and give ground physically which i did not. hence i recieved his spray of spit, revolting tho that was i am glad i did not give ground to him as there were assembly onlookers who would have seen my stepping back or sideways from his presence as a sign of submission to their vicar of Christ.it was a horrible experience but one i believe the Lord was behind it to open my eyes to the controlling nastiness of the man.  i did not feel any condemnation from God only disgust at a gestapo pastor.
also having met Noel Hollins at a camp i can only agree with those who sensed an evil presence in the man.
there are indeed evil spirits of deceipt that unfortunately pervade the ministry at times.  
there is no fear or condemnation to those that love the Lord. to those that worship Shurmer Griggs Hollins and the like i feel great pity for you. keep your heart, mind and spirit focussed on what is right and good and true and i don't think u can go far wromg.

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Hi again, Dovetail.

that's very possible Ian that i can be identified and no it would not be a catalyst for my family members leaving, it is after decades the central part of their lives, they have made it clear that the assembly family outweighs any minor significance of a natural family. Then concern for your family members ought not to be a/the reason for you not sharing with others, here.  there remains much debate about the term backslider used freely on new testament believers who leave the cult. There's no debate that I'm aware of regarding the applicability of the term 'backslider', just as there's no debate that I'm aware of concerning the applicability of the term 'heretic' either. Both words usefully, adequately and concisely describe spiritual conditions about which the New Testament teaches in both depth and detail. And the latter sums up rather well, the status of those who fellowship in Noel Hollins' sect.

les shurmer teaches his flock to judge and look down on anyone who des not consider every word that proceedeth from his mouth to be the infallible mouth piece of Christ. Sure, but Les Shurmer isn't exactly what I'd call an informed and authoritative guide about matters biblical ;) yes he gives prophesies in old king james language "thee" "thy" "thou" etc in his heavy accent which i always thought sounded like a welsh friend of mine. Likely as not Mr Shurmer's 'prophecies' are complete bunk and hokum (delusion pretty much sums up the Revivalist perspective of spiritual gifts). it is such a joy to enjoy fellowship now with fellow believers with a true and non judgemental loving heart under the teaching and visions of pastors who do know what it is to be a shepherd of the Lord. Which would certainly be cause for joy so long as said pastors properly understand and represent the teaching of Scripture as well as they do the biblical example of shepherding.  i never felt that with shurmer and his cronies who think nothing of expelling young teenagers out from their family if they refuse the mandatory baptism at turning age 14. that is disgusting and elders in that church have done that more than once to hold onto their position of eldership at the time. Keith Hastings at Launceston assembly BSA brags about kicking both his daugters out of home when they turned  "of age ". No doubt. But then again Keith Hastings wouldn't recognise God's Word were he to be slapped between the eyes with an open Bible. Twice :)

i also wanted to mention that the spitting i received from Les was actually a spray of saliva coming a my face because being a mere female in his eyes he appeared not to respect personal body space at all and i am taller than he somhe positioned his face only a 20 centimetres from mine while yelling at me in fierce eyes emblasoned fashion to try to intimidate me and subdue me i.e. force me to step back and give ground physically which i did not. hence i recieved his spray of spit, revolting tho that was i am glad i did not give ground to him as there were assembly onlookers who would have seen my stepping back or sideways from his presence as a sign of submission to their vicar of Christ. What a pity you didn't let rip back at him with a hawk and spray of your own! That would certainly have put Shurmer in his proper place ;)

Blessings,

Ian

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Re：Pastor Les Shurmer

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some might say lucky me to have been sprayed with 'holy' spit that proceedeth from the mouth that is the  direct mouth piece of God.......Not!Les preaches that you are putting yourself in the hands of Satan and the spirit of Jezabel (rebelliousness) If you are a woman and dare to question any thing he tells u to do.
if u miss a single meeting u r in danger of hellfire if u die that week he tells the saints.
so unscriptural.  if u can't make it to camp because of work commitments he tels u to quit your job.
i could go on with loads of examples of ghastly incidents but i am just so blessed and happy to be free of that manipulator.
i wonder if he does have the hall in his name like his apostle Noel.
love light and blessings

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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Date Posted：02/12/2005 6:02 AMCopy HTML $%'`[David]%'`@NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWSDuring the past few years whilevoicing atrocitiesfrom GRC abusive church practices, many people have come forward with their stories of cruelministry in their local situations. However, during this time I have never received one letter via email, telephone call, or even a story second hand, that has involved Pastor Les Shurmer from the Launceston assembly.In the current climate of the GRC organisation, I believe Pastor Les Shurmer deserves to be viewed differentlyfrommany of his colleagues. This GRC forum only exists and is heavily supported because there is so much TRUTH contained within these postingswhichreflects poorly onMr. Hollins and theGRC. In the case of the Launceston assembly, no news is good news, and credit should be placed where it is due.Currently Mr. Hollins is frequently boarding airplanes at a whim of a notion, tovisit various assembliesand squash people who as much as make a suggestion or a complaint. Even during this past week he hasflown across the continent to expel people who were justly concerned about their local assembly. Mr.Hollinsfacial expressions were described tome aslooking like Satan himself as he yelled into the faces of other assembly members, striking fear into all the onlookers. Mr. Hollins wants to create'splits'. He needs to do this for his own self preservation. It has nothing to do with the 'work of the Lord'.Mr.Hollins must maintain control for the sake of his own pride, and it doesn't matter how many peopleare left, as long as whoever is left bow the knee to him.Mr. Shurmer has not only managed to maintainwhat would seem to be a happy assembly atmosphere, but has so far kept his own nose clean. I hope and pray that Mr. Shurmer keeps his congregation safe from theGRC's demise, and chooses to become independent to protect the Launceston fellowship from collateral damage.I have had no contact with Mr. Shurmer. However, I am assuredby Mr. Bruce Branch thatin all the time he has known Mr. Les Shurmer, he knew him as a man who went to Launceston for the RIGHT reasons, andthat this assemblybecame aFRUITFUL BRANCH.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：02/12/2005 7:22 AMCopy HTML $%'`[crazychick]%'`@Reply to : David [Anonymous] NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWSDuring the past few years whilevoicing atrocitiesfrom GRC abusive church practices, many people have come forward with their stories of cruelministry in their local situations. However, during this time I have never received one letter via email, telephone call, or even a story second hand, that has involved Pastor Les Shurmer from the Launceston assembly.In the current climate of the GRC organisation, I believe Pastor Les Shurmer deserves to be viewed differentlyfrommany of his colleagues. This GRC forum only exists and is heavily supported because there is so much TRUTH contained within these postingswhichreflects poorly onMr. Hollins and theGRC. In the case of the Launceston assembly, no news is good news, i'll second that
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/12/2005 7:50 AMCopy HTML I was a member of GRC's Launceston branch (known as Bible Salvation Assembly) for about 2 and half years, before being involuntarily pushed to ffice:smarttags" />Bombay, India. I think LS was not any way near to what Reg Gray was, in Bombay. I do not have many (does not mean none) complains personally against LS, but need to point out few things that one should look at. fficeffice" /> Pastor S can be easily put as a fanatic preacher of British Israelism. As he is a POME, it is well understood why he loves this subject. I have never seen anyone preaching BI with the passion LS was preaching. I think you could put Ted Owen next in line, Ted was previously working for English defence force (very convenient for him). In Launceston hall on every meeting there used to be a union jack stuck on the platform. He preaches that his church is the only true church on the face of the earth and Noel is the apostle of God. With such a racist and discriminatory doctrine his assembly is no different than any other GRC assembly. I have first hand experience of LS's ministry as hypocritical. He bluntly and thumping his hand on the pulpit used to say that he did not expect anyone in this hall make to 65 before lord returns. That was in 1990, and the oldest lady in the hall was about 55. He used to say (from the platform) 1996 as the lords return (from the Pyramid). The urgency that he preaches with is quiet deceiving. I think this makes him a false prophet. As far as treating members of the assembly, he aint a saint as well. I know of one family who was forced to move in to the city (from bush) by him, although they did not want to. When I wrote a letter to him from India that I was returning back to Launceston (I initially had gone to India for 15 days and not as a minister), in reply he wrote very diplomatically that I am not allowed. Those days the assembly was renting hall, and I know that LS did not have much to spend on himself or on his family, they lived moderately. But now they own their own hall. May be someone want to even check who owns the hall. I have been told that he has much higher standard of living now, if he does then where this money is coming from. I was told, that his daughter's husband had an affair with other married woman in the assembly, but his son in law was treated partially ? People in the assembly go through nervous breakdowns (I know of one case), why ? There used to be a banner in the hall which read ?I am the lord that healeth thee' but I am told his own wife has some healing problems ? As I said before I do not have much against this man. But LS is Noel worshipper and therefore not a Christian. He demands complete obedience to himself, and therefore no different to any other GRC lot. PS. I am personally interested to find out who owns the hall now. I do not mind paying for this search, if some one wants to guide me on this.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/12/2005 7:53 AMCopy HTML $%'`[From Brisbane]%'`@Above post was my post. Should I expect damnation now ?
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/12/2005 9:53 AMCopy HTML $%'`[David]%'`@Reply to : From Brisbane [Anonymous] Above post was my post. Should I expect damnation now ? Why would you expect damnation? They're all just mere men who have a lot more to answer for than we do. Well as I said, no news is good news. I know I would be very interested to hear any stories from the apple isle. Thanks for your informative post. I was hesitating earlier to say "LS is the best of a bad bunch" but by what you are saying, it would appear he is going down the same lucrative road. Perhaps he has picked up the pace in recent times to catch up to with the trend setters. It would be easier for someone in Tas to do a title search. Anyhow, let's see what we can dig up???
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/12/2005 10:10 AMCopy HTML Reply to : Anonymous I was a member of GRC's Launceston branch (known as Bible Salvation Assembly) for about 2 and half years, before being involuntarily pushed to?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" />Bombay,India.I think LS was not any way near to what Reg Gray was, inBombay.I do not have many (does not mean none) complains personally against LS, but need to point out few things that one should look at. I know all about the son in law that slept with another woman while married to E.S and I wouldnt use the description of his treatment afterwoods as partial..NO WAY..he was dispised and he chose to leave the assembly,of course he broke his wife's heart but he has given her nothing but grief since then,they have a daughter who is a gorgeous little girl and her father really wasnt that interested in her until he left the assembly..now he is fighting for all the access her can get,more to be a pain in the arse than anything else I am guessing.His ex wife E is a really lovely woman and didnt deserve the heartache.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/12/2005 10:30 AMCopy HTML Reply to : Anonymous .I know all about the son in law that slept with another woman while married to E.S and I wouldnt use the description of his treatment afterwoods as partial..NO WAY..he was dispised and he chose to leave the assembly,of course he broke his wife's heart but he has given her nothing but grief since then,they have a daughter who is a gor Just goes to show the GRC 'saints' are no different to anyone else in 'the world'.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/12/2005 12:04 PMCopy HTML Reply to From Brisbane Re your quote Pastor S can be easily put as a fanatic preacher of British Israelism. As he is a POME, it is well understood why he loves this subject. I have never seen anyone preaching BI with the passion LS was preaching. I think you could put Ted Owen next in line, Ted was previously working for English defence force (very convenient for him). In Launceston hall on every meeting there used to be a union jack stuck on the platform. He preaches that his church is the only true church on the face of the earth and Noel is the apostle of God. With such a racist and discriminatory doctrine his assembly is no different than any other GRC assembly. You talk of a racist and discriminatory doctrine yet yoe use the derogatory term of POM to describe him. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/12/2005 1:16 PMCopy HTML $%'`[From Brisbane]%'`@ Regarding POME. Agreed, accepted. I should not have used the term. I only used this term as it is so commonly used term here in Australia. Last month I was in Canberra and bumped into one of my old work mate from my previous employer in UK , he had moved to Sydney just about 6 months ago. I asked him about does he like living in Australia. His answer was well every now and then i bump in to a POME, so it almost feels like i am still in the UK. So I believe it is not a racist term. And if I am not forgetting the first time i ever heard this term was from the mouth of LS, years back in Launceston.
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/12/2005 6:20 PMCopy HTML $%'`[cllipboardbrigade]%'`@pboardbrigadeReply to : David [Anonymous] NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWSDuring the past few years whilevoicing atrocitiesfrom GRC abusive church practices, many people have come forward with their stories of cruelministry in their local situations. However, during this time I have never received one letter via email, telephone call, or even a story second hand, that has involved Pastor Les Shurmer from the Launceston assembly.In the current climate of the GRC organisation, I believe Pastor Les Shurmer deserves to be viewed differentlyfrommany of his colleagues. This GRC forum only exists and is heavily supported because there is so much TRUTH contained within these postingswhichreflects poorly onMr. Hollins and theGRC. In the case of the Launceston assembly, no news is good news, if you lie down with dogs you are bound to get flees
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：21/09/2018 12:36 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：07/12/2005 5:07 AMCopy HTML Reply to : Anonymous Pom is hardly the same as wog. So "From Brisbane" is not the hypocrite.
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Rank：Lurker Score：210 Posts：9 From：Unknown Register：19/11/2005 12:06 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：17/12/2005 6:42 PMCopy HTML Reply to : David [Anonymous] NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWSDuring the past few years whilevoicing atrocitiesfrom GRC abusive church practices, many people have come forward with their stories of cruelministry in their local situations. However, during this time I have never received one letter via email, telephone call, or even a story second hand, that has involved Pastor Les Shurmer from the Launceston assembly.In the current climate of the GRC organisation, I believe Pastor Les Shurmer deserves to be viewed differentlyfrommany of his colleagues. This GRC forum only exists and is heavily supported because there is so much TRUTH contained within these postingswhichreflects poorly onMr. Hollins and theGRC. In the case of the Launceston assembly, no news is good news, I was under his ministry as a schoolgoing teenager for about 1/2 a year when he came over here for ministry after the last oversight went back. During that period of time, I have come to know him & wife quite well as I had to stay over with them for about average 1-2 X per week & have spent most of my school holidays going around with them ministering & translating (as about 3/4 of those whom we witness to do not understand English & I am fluent in most major languages). As such, at least during that time - I can vouch for his personality & ministry to myself & co. He was a good oversight who guided us well. He had a deep kindness & in the face of so many needs of the people here, as most were underprivileged - I have often witness him & his wife sharing their personal cash & clothes to help out & make at the very least, not a few people here - those in the ministry & others who we came across. His words & minstry was always doused with kindness & I have fond memories of him & wife (sadly now, of course). He usually preached on basic issues - as it was a young ministry here with different need, I suppose but he was also not partial to giving 'hell & brimstone' (that was our 'codeword/nickname) which by itself was appropriate to the situation. I was also there when he had to have a private talk with some of those who needed it as I was doing the translation for him as well. I found him quite partial, full of kindness & grace at all times & has a sincere love for the work of God here. I speak not only for him, but for most of those who were sent out to minister to us. Understandably the issue was not with most of them (altho' there were a few who were not so partial). I speak also for one who have spent much time with those Aussies who were sent out with their wives & have spent much time with them as I was used most of the time for the work e.g. getting tutored in music & sunday school by their wives, most probably due to the fact that I was almost always available & not working full time then. He was not opposed to my every whims & future plans, one of which is to further my education to the tertiary level & onwards (which of course, is not allowed under NH's rule & by-law) but gave advice as only a surrogate parent would, telling me of the 'Rules' that must never be broken but handing it out to me as a CHOICE - therefore I was to exercise my right to CHOOSE to go back to school /or not whilst knowing what was actually required by me as a member. That was only one e.g of his way of ministering, & even after all these years, I can still remember Shurmer standing upfront belting out his favourite hymn to us, with so much enthusiasm! And so, bearing in context that that was the same person I knew ('Ceteris Paribus') : Here goes to Launceston, Tasmania !
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：18/12/2005 7:39 AMCopy HTML $%'`[From Brisbane]%'`@ Edenjoy you wrote : 'even after all these years, I can still remember Shurmer standing upfront belting out his favourite hymn to us, with so much enthusiasm!' And I bet the hymn was - 'And did those feet in ancient times Walked upon England's mountains green And was the Holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen?' Or 'I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above, Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love; The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test, '
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Rank：Lurker Score：210 Posts：9 From：Unknown Register：19/11/2005 12:06 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：26/12/2005 10:54 AMCopy HTML Reply to : From Brisbane [Anonymous] Edenjoy you wrote : 'even after all these years, I can still remember Shurmer standing upfront belting out his favourite hymn to us, with so much enthusiasm!'And I bet thehymn was - 'And did those feet in ancient times Walked upon England's mountains green And was the Holy Lamb of God On England's pleasant pastures seen?'Or'I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above, Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love; The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test, ' Oi! Now that's a good one, right on.........! There's another one that conjures him up:- 'Tighten my Grip, Oh Lord, tighten my Grip, To the hand that was wounded for me, in case I should slip, Oh Lord, Tighten my Grip, that my life may be hidden in Thee.......'
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Rank： Score：0 Posts：0 From：Unknown Register：06/04/2001 10:54 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：08/01/2006 2:10 PMCopy HTML Reply to : From Brisbane [Anonymous] Regarding POME.Agreed, accepted. I should not have used the term.I only used this term as it is so commonly used term here in Australia. Lastmonth I was in Canberra and bumped into one of my old work mate from my previous employer in UK , he had moved to Sydney just about 6 months ago. I asked him about does he like living in Australia. His answer was well every now and then i bump in to a POME, so it almost feels like i am still in the UK. So I believe it is not a racist term. And if I am not forgetting the first time i ever heard this term was from the mouth of LS, years back in Launceston.
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Rank：Lurker Score：140 Posts：7 From：USA Register：06/04/2012 9:56 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/04/2012 10:23 AMCopy HTML I have known Les Shurmer for over 2 decades and can comment from personal experience as to the destructiveness of this man from my time spent in the Bible Salvation Assembly in Launceston. He does not think twice about breaking families up and rules his flock with an iron attitude. This is not the way of a true shepherd and he is lacking in the qualities of a loving and gracious pastor that Jesus spoke of when teaching on shepherd qualities. If you do not do exactly as he orders you to (and I mean 'orders' you) you will find him to be a very non forgiving, aggressive, bad tempered, judgemental, arrogant, self righteous and ungracious person to deal with. I can truly sympathise with anyone who has been deluded, controlled and manipulated by this individual who models himself on his superior and apostle Noel Hollins. It is frightening to know from first hand experience what these two false prophets are capable of when it comes to people's lives and emtoinal, health, mental health and spiritual well being. For instance if you are a young person and told you cannot marry unless you find someone within their assembly, if you believe if you miss a meeting you are in danger of hellfire, if you are conditioned to judge all other christians (not in their church) and non chirstians alike as falling short and definitely going to hell unless you are part of their assembly.....what does that do for your autonomy as a caring believer and individual? no wonder people in that assembly have nervous breakdowns as mentioned by a previous member in this forum. People are held in this church by fear and yes there are some wonderful and truly godly individuals in this assembly but that in no way is attributed to the pastor Les Shurmer who is a very cunning and well practiced brain washer who has had many years practice twisting scriptures to suit his false doctrines and his preaching contains biblilcal truths threaded with falsehoods in order to decieve and control his flock and suit his power tripping. I wonder where he will stand on that day when the Lord throws the false prophets into the lake of fire? He certainly better get on his knees and ask forgiveness for some of the shameful destruction in innocent people's lives he has wreaked in his several decades of ministry.
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Rank：Poster Grande I Score：12090 Posts：570 From：Australia Register：22/07/2005 8:58 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：06/04/2012 10:47 PMCopy HTML Well done Dovetail, and I don't say that out of being one-eyed of my own opinion but you are speaking from 20 yrs experience. Like you say, there are many good natured and well meaning people within the group (and as it is in other assemblies, or should I say groups?) and we too were once there ourselves. I too blame myself for the stand I took in defence of the words and preaching of Nasty Noddy, we believed in our hearts that we wanted to follow the Lord and there is no shame in that, but little did we know nor realize then what we were really doing or how we were compromising ourselves. Glad to hear your stand and comments ....... tell us more ? " Those are my principles and if you don"t like them, I do have others" Come-On ! always tell the truth motmot
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Rank：Lurker Score：140 Posts：7 From：USA Register：06/04/2012 9:56 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：08/04/2012 9:33 AMCopy HTML Hi motmot I could relate lots of disturbing specific things that have happened over the years in the Launceston Bible Salvation Assembly but suffice to say it will identify me to any spies wathing this site and i have family membrs still in the cult and would hate to think they will cop backlash from "Pastor" and his brainwashed underlings because of any specific revelations, the details of which will identify me immediately. despite the fact i have moved away i am still in occasional contact with family still in there. they did suffer retribution for maintaining contat with me as i am to this day and forever more labelled a backslider (a term that dos not even appeaf in the new testament and another example of twisting old testament scriptures that do not relate to those saved in Christ). when i was literally spat on by the pastor for asking some very valid questions and verbally intimidated, threatened and verbally attacked by an elder i decided it was time to cancel Shurmer and co's self proclaimed right to control my life and leave the sect (note i did not turn my back on Christ only the unstable individual who says he is the infallible not to be questioned mouth piece of Christ) i paid for this by this decision by being stracised and judged by my friends in the group. it has been good therapy for me to know i am not alone and admire those of you with the courage to speak up. i do have to wonder how do thelikes of Noel Hollins Les Shurmer Neil Griggs and their underlings of gestapo tactics that do jobs on people's minds and lives block out the whisperings of their conscience and the Lord?
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Rank：Poster Venti III Score：10710 Posts：345 From：Unknown Register：05/04/2003 2:38 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：08/04/2012 1:51 PMCopy HTML My sister in law is from your neck of the woods She and my brother and their two daughters are still stuck in the cult light GRC here in Vancouver. I think they call it Straight Gate Revival Fellowship. One of the first places that I visited was Taz. And that was many many years ago. But I remember a leason that helped me see what was the truth about the GRCC. And that there were a lot of talks about money. And every other place that I went they wanted money. And seeing how some if not most of these PASTEREDS! live compaired to the rest of the sheeple I would say to them stop living of the vails of pastertution.
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Rank：Poster Grande I Score：12090 Posts：570 From：Australia Register：22/07/2005 8:58 PM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：08/04/2012 9:23 PMCopy HTML quite right, and that is why today Noel Hollins personal fortune is worth about $12 million, all from donations, certainly not from wages ! " Those are my principles and if you don"t like them, I do have others" Come-On ! always tell the truth motmot
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Rank：Noobmeister Score：421 Posts：13 From：Australia Register：29/08/2007 7:54 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：09/04/2012 12:51 AMCopy HTML Hi, Dovetail. You might not want to hear this, but it seems to me that you've provided more than enough very specific information in your last post to enable Shurmer to identify you without much trouble (i.e. you shared the fact that you moved away, that the 'pastor' actually spat on you, that you were verbally attacked by an elder, and that you still have family in the assembly). The question now becomes: do you want to continue living in fear of the man, even though you've left his circle of control? Understand this, if Shurmer is vindictive and/or stupid enough to try to take out his frustrations with you on your remaining GRC family members, then his actions might very well be the trigger that sees them packing their bags as well! Next, and a small point: whilst the term 'backslider' might not appear in your preferred Bible version, the word perfectly describes a spiritual state about which Scripture (including the New Testament) says a great deal. If you're not backsliding yourself, there is no reason to be 'splitting-hairs' over the terminology. In closing: (1) men like Shurmer have only as much power, as much influence, and as much authority as people like you are prepared to grant them. Deny him any of the above and the 'bogeyman' loses his principle weapon of control, fear. (2) The leaders of the GRC don't represent God, they don't hear from him, and they certainly don't speak for him. You'll find plenty of support in the Christian Church, but you'll find none in aberrations of the same (such as the GRC). (3) It's not a productive use of your time to be fretting about what might or might not be happening to your family members who remain in the Launceston GRC. They are there by choice after all; consequently, 'worrying them out' isn't really an option. However, 'praying them out' certainly is! Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Rank：Lurker Score：140 Posts：7 From：USA Register：06/04/2012 9:56 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：09/04/2012 3:44 AMCopy HTML that's very possible Ian that i can be identified and no it would not be a catalyst for my family members leaving, it is after decades the central part of their lives, they have made it clear that the assembly family outweighs any minor significance of a natural family. there remains much debate about the term backslider used freely on new testament believers who leave the cult. les shurmer teaches his flock to judge and look down on anyone who des not consider every word that proceedeth from his mouth to be the infallible mouth piece of Christ. yes he gives prophesies in old king james language "thee" "thy" "thou" etc in his heavy acc ent which i always thought sounded like a welsh friend of mine. it is such a joy to enjoy fellowship now with fellow believers with a true and non judgemental loving heart under the teaching and visions of pastors who do know what it is to be a shepherd of the Lord. i never felt that with shurmer and his cronies who think nothing of expelling young teenagers out from their family if they refuse the mandatory baptism at turning age 14. that is disgusting and elders in that church have done that more than once to hold onto their position of eldership at the time. Keith Hastings at Launceston assembly BSA brags about kicking both his daugters out of home when they turned "of age ""
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Rank：Lurker Score：140 Posts：7 From：USA Register：06/04/2012 9:56 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：09/04/2012 4:18 AMCopy HTML i also wanted to mention that the spitting i received from Les was actually a spray of saliva coming a my face because being a mere female in his eyes he appeared not to respect personal body space at all and i am taller than he somhe positioned his face only a 20 centimetres from mine while yelling at me in fierce eyes emblasoned fashion to try to intimidate me and subdue me i.e. force me to step back and give ground physically which i did not. hence i recieved his spray of spit, revolting tho that was i am glad i did not give ground to him as there were assembly onlookers who would have seen my stepping back or sideways from his presence as a sign of submission to their vicar of Christ. it was a horrible experience but one i believe the Lord was behind it to open my eyes to the controlling nastiness of the man. i did not feel any condemnation from God only disgust at a gestapo pastor. also having met Noel Hollins at a camp i can only agree with those who sensed an evil presence in the man. there are indeed evil spirits of deceipt that unfortunately pervade the ministry at times. there is no fear or condemnation to those that love the Lord. to those that worship Shurmer Griggs Hollins and the like i feel great pity for you. keep your heart, mind and spirit focussed on what is right and good and true and i don't think u can go far wromg.
Didaktikon	Share to: #23
Rank：Noobmeister Score：421 Posts：13 From：Australia Register：29/08/2007 7:54 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：09/04/2012 4:40 AMCopy HTML Hi again, Dovetail. that's very possible Ian that i can be identified and no it would not be a catalyst for my family members leaving, it is after decades the central part of their lives, they have made it clear that the assembly family outweighs any minor significance of a natural family. Then concern for your family members ought not to be a/the reason for you not sharing with others, here. there remains much debate about the term backslider used freely on new testament believers who leave the cult. There's no debate that I'm aware of regarding the applicability of the term 'backslider', just as there's no debate that I'm aware of concerning the applicability of the term 'heretic' either. Both words usefully, adequately and concisely describe spiritual conditions about which the New Testament teaches in both depth and detail. And the latter sums up rather well, the status of those who fellowship in Noel Hollins' sect. les shurmer teaches his flock to judge and look down on anyone who des not consider every word that proceedeth from his mouth to be the infallible mouth piece of Christ. Sure, but Les Shurmer isn't exactly what I'd call an informed and authoritative guide about matters biblical ;) yes he gives prophesies in old king james language "thee" "thy" "thou" etc in his heavy accent which i always thought sounded like a welsh friend of mine. Likely as not Mr Shurmer's 'prophecies' are complete bunk and hokum (delusion pretty much sums up the Revivalist perspective of spiritual gifts). it is such a joy to enjoy fellowship now with fellow believers with a true and non judgemental loving heart under the teaching and visions of pastors who do know what it is to be a shepherd of the Lord. Which would certainly be cause for joy so long as said pastors properly understand and represent the teaching of Scripture as well as they do the biblical example of shepherding. i never felt that with shurmer and his cronies who think nothing of expelling young teenagers out from their family if they refuse the mandatory baptism at turning age 14. that is disgusting and elders in that church have done that more than once to hold onto their position of eldership at the time. Keith Hastings at Launceston assembly BSA brags about kicking both his daugters out of home when they turned "of age ". No doubt. But then again Keith Hastings wouldn't recognise God's Word were he to be slapped between the eyes with an open Bible. Twice :) i also wanted to mention that the spitting i received from Les was actually a spray of saliva coming a my face because being a mere female in his eyes he appeared not to respect personal body space at all and i am taller than he somhe positioned his face only a 20 centimetres from mine while yelling at me in fierce eyes emblasoned fashion to try to intimidate me and subdue me i.e. force me to step back and give ground physically which i did not. hence i recieved his spray of spit, revolting tho that was i am glad i did not give ground to him as there were assembly onlookers who would have seen my stepping back or sideways from his presence as a sign of submission to their vicar of Christ. What a pity you didn't let rip back at him with a hawk and spray of your own! That would certainly have put Shurmer in his proper place ;) Blessings, Ian email: didaktikon@gmail.com
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Rank：Lurker Score：140 Posts：7 From：USA Register：06/04/2012 9:56 AM	Re：Pastor Les Shurmer Date Posted：09/04/2012 7:10 AMCopy HTML some might say lucky me to have been sprayed with 'holy' spit that proceedeth from the mouth that is the direct mouth piece of God.......Not! Les preaches that you are putting yourself in the hands of Satan and the spirit of Jezabel (rebelliousness) If you are a woman and dare to question any thing he tells u to do. if u miss a single meeting u r in danger of hellfire if u die that week he tells the saints. so unscriptural. if u can't make it to camp because of work commitments he tels u to quit your job. i could go on with loads of examples of ghastly incidents but i am just so blessed and happy to be free of that manipulator. i wonder if he does have the hall in his name like his apostle Noel. love light and blessings