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We all have heard of Oprah and we all know she is different and will believe almost anything if it fills her show....now her t.v. channel called OWN.But is she a billionaire for being right or for being wrong?Is she telling the truth about god or not?Is she just bubble gum or does she have a following that is larger than the GRC? OK that last questions is like duh!But with all this power would you too become a false leader or would you not sell out your gods?Just wondering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW4LLwkgmqA&NR=1&feature=fvwp
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Date Posted:12/02/2011 2:45 AMCopy HTML

Poppycock!

There is paranoid Christian rhetoric about every and any teaching that is not rigid Christian doctrine.  You would do well to expand your mind to how Christ manifests in the world. 
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Much of the sensational silliness that fuels these fear mongering attacks on Oprah is because she embraces some teaching such as that of Tolle, among others.  Here is a considered article on such teachings from a learned Christian POV.

http://www.cacradicalgrace.org/getconnected/Eckhart_Tolle_and_the_Christian_Tradition______________Richard_Rohr.pdf
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Dog,

So you're still supporting the Tolle nonsense, huh?

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 Call it what you will Ian.  Its a free world!  Tolle has insights, wisdom and knowledge that is well articulated and has great practical benefits to those who learn from him. Its the religious zealots that tend to discount what he has to say without genuine appraisal.


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Hi, Dog.

Call it what you will Ian.  Its a free world!  Tolle has insights, wisdom and knowledge that is well articulated and has great practical benefits to those who learn from him. Its the religious zealots that tend to discount what he has to say without genuine appraisal. Lots of 'street-corner-gurus' have 'insights', 'wisdom' and 'knowledge', Dog. What Tolle lacks, however, is a logically and internally consistent worldview. I also think you'll find there are a few secular philosophers who have 'problems' with the man, too, so it ain't just us religious nuts.

Oh, I think it appropriate to point out that the correct pronoun to use with the referent 'religious zealots' is, 'who', and not 'that'. 'One good turn deserves another', as the popular proverb goes.

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Ian, people (philosophers, whatever) who look for problems will tend to see them.  There always seems to be someone ready to knock somebody that has some sort of following.  Actually, I have spent a good amount of time reading critical assessments of Tolle by both 'Christian' apologists and on also those on a pro Tolle forum.  Have to say, the war-like and aggressive attitudes of those opposing Tolle's work was most striking.  Seems to be a common attribute.  Anyways, I can live with people's various views, if they have bothered to actually look without a narrow minded bias.  Its the hostile carrying on of those who have no idea that I find unfortunate.  Especially supposed Christians who go about demonising those who they imagine are enemies of the cross.

And thanks for the reciprocal correction!  smiley13


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Date Posted:12/02/2011 11:39 PMCopy HTML

Good morning, Dog.

Ian, people (philosophers, whatever) who look for problems will tend to see them. Agreed. But I also find it telling that it isn't just Christians who've found significant consistency flaws in Tolle's philosophy.  There always seems to be someone ready to knock somebody that has some sort of following.  Really?! Actually, I have spent a good amount of time reading critical assessments of Tolle by both 'Christian' apologists and on also those on a pro Tolle forum.  Have to say, the war-like and aggressive attitudes of those opposing Tolle's work was most striking.  Seems to be a common attribute. He's the sort of man who polarises people, I suppose. And Oprah's endorsement of him wouldn't have helped his cause among the 'thinking' crowd!  Anyways, I can live with people's various views, if they have bothered to actually look without a narrow minded bias. That's pleasing to learn; I feel pretty much the same way.  Its the hostile carrying on of those who have no idea that I find unfortunate.  Especially supposed Christians who go about demonising those who they imagine are enemies of the cross. Sure, but ignorance isn't restricted to just the 'supposed Christians' out in the big, bad world.

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Date Posted:13/02/2011 12:10 AMCopy HTML

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Sure, but ignorance isn't restricted to just the 'supposed Christians' out in the big, bad world.

Ian

Well yeah... there is a good helping of ignorance in many corners of the world, I'd say.  You and I and the rest of us will all be ignorant of some things to some extent!

And I see what you mean about the Oprah crowds being generally a bit mindless.  But then, who are we to pre-judge what each of them may have goin on?

I'm not a 'fan' as such and don't think I've ever watched a show through.  But I like what Oprah is about, herself.  She has a good heart.  She has conscience and good-will.  She will leave the world a better place.  Clearly, she finds herself amidst a mass of media hyperbole.  Put anybody in that position and it could get real ugly.  I reckon she has done admirably!

"Thinking crowd"?   With many people, there's too much 'thinking' and not enough else going on.  Is 'thinking' really the way to find God? smiley3
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Date Posted:13/02/2011 3:00 AMCopy HTML

Hi, Dog.

"Thinking crowd"? With many people, there's too much 'thinking' and not enough else going on. First, when I referred to the 'thinking' crowd, what I had in mind was people who think critically, whether they be Christian or not. Second, orthodox Christianity is about translating 'right' thought into 'right' action; moving from 'orthodoxy' to 'orthopraxy', and from there to 'orthopathy'. Is 'thinking' really the way to find God? It's certainly the start.

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