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Good morning,

As some would no doubt be aware, Melbourne has, this weekend, been hosting the 'Global Atheist Convention 2012'. What many might not be aware; however, is that this city is also hosting the 'Reason for Faith Festival'. So those of us who are fortunate enough to live in Melbourne have enjoyed the opportunity to hear (for example) Dr Richard Dawkins' views about faith, science and God on the one hand; and yet will be able to hear (for example) Dr Bruce Yabsley's views on the other :)

Whilst the former convention winds up today, the latter commences tomorrow and has several free presentations taking part across the CBD throughout the course of the week (see reasonforfaith.org.au).

Blessings,

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That is your biggest problem, more interested in mens opinions.
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Hello, SA[d]boy.

Long time, no sneer. That is your biggest problem, more interested in mens opinions. An open mind constitutes a 'big problem'? I would've thought that being receptive to, and then testing, the opinions of others leads to learning, and learning to wisdom. You are interested in learning and wisdom, I trust? After all, you can't possibly want to continue being a closed-minded, ignorant and foolish Revivalist for the rest of your days ;)

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 Rom_8:14  For all who are led by God's Spirit are God's children.
Jas_1:5  Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to everyone generously without a rebuke, and it will be given to him.

You can have mans wisdom.
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SA[d]boy,

You can have mans wisdom. I've done better: I possess the wisdom that comes from having a clear and comprehensive understanding of Scripture (i.e. 'knowledge'); sharpened and then honed by a Spirit-led intellect. You? Not so much on either score I'm afraid.

A wise man's knowledge wells up in a flood, and his counsel, like a living spring; a fool's mind is like a broken jar--no knowledge at all can it hold. When an intelligent man hears words of wisdom, he approves them and adds to them; the wanton hears them with scorn and casts them behind his back (Sirach 21:13-15).

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I possess the wisdom that comes from having a clear and comprehensive understanding of Scripture Perhaps you could bless us with your clear and comprehensive understanding of what the scriptures say about humility.
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Spirit-led intellect.About the same level as Deotrephes.
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Hello, Willem.

I possess the wisdom that comes from having a clear and comprehensive understanding of Scripture. Perhaps you could bless us with your clear and comprehensive understanding of what the scriptures say about humility. Would you listen? Do you think your ego could adjust to being taught orthodox theology in proper context? :)

The greater you become, the more humble you should be; then the Lord will be pleased with you. The Lord's power is great, and he is honored by those who are humble. Don't try to understand things that are too hard for you, or investigate matters that are beyond your power to know (Sirach 3:18-21).

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Back again, SA[d]boy?

Spirit-led intellect. About the same level as Deotrephes. Ummm, that would be Diotrephes wouldn't it? In any case, I wonder that you believe there to be some sort of connection betwixt he and me. After all, (1) failing to respect proper spiritual authority, (2) putting people out of fellowship for personal reasons and, (3) making unfounded accusations against other Christians seems to be more a foible of your 'brand' of religion than it is mine :P

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Hi, Ian.

I possess the wisdom that comes from having a clear and comprehensive understanding of Scripture. Perhaps you could bless us with your clear and comprehensive understanding of what the scriptures say about humility. Would you listen? Do you think your ego could adjust to being taught orthodox theology in proper context? :) No doubt such teaching would be wasted on me. I take it by orthodox theology you didn't mean theology of the Orthodox Church since they believe baptism is necessary for salvation and that it should be by full immersion.

"... Of making many books there is no end [so do not believe everything you read], and much study is a weariness of the flesh.", Ecclesiastes 12:12 (Amplified Bible)


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Back again, SA[d]boy?

Spirit-led intellect. About the same level as Deotrephes. Ummm, that would be Diotrephes wouldn't it? In any case, I wonder that you believe there to be some sort of connection betwixt he and me. After all, (1) failing to respect proper spiritual authority, (2) putting people out of fellowship for personal reasons and, (3) making unfounded accusations against other Christians seems to be more a foible of your 'brand' of spirituality than it is mine :P

Goose.

Ian 
Diotrephes had no VISION either,I dont follow revivalists,they like YOU are part of the many that Jesus spoke about.

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Hi, Ian.

I possess the wisdom that comes from having a clear and comprehensive understanding of Scripture. Perhaps you could bless us with your clear and comprehensive understanding of what the scriptures say about humility. Would you listen? Do you think your ego could adjust to being taught orthodox theology in proper context? :) No doubt such teaching would be wasted on me. I take it by orthodox theology you didn't mean theology of the Orthodox Church since they believe baptism is necessary for salvation and that it should be by full immersion.

"... Of making many books there is no end [so do not believe everything you read], and much study is a weariness of the flesh.", Ecclesiastes 12:12 (Amplified Bible)


Really probably wasting time,remember the parable of the sower of the seed,stoney ground here!
Hes moved by a spirit alright.its certainly not HOLY though.

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No doubt such teaching would be wasted on me. Obviously I take it by orthodox theology you didn't mean theology of the Orthodox Church since they believe baptism is necessary for salvation and that it should be by full immersion.

I for one find that the Orthodox Church believes no such theology. They may consider baptism more than just a symbolic act of burial and resurrection, but to have it necessarily performed by full immersion is not correct. Baptism is not necessary for salvation but an integral part of being identified as a Christian within the Christian Community.

I believe in Christianity as I believe the sun has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C.S.Lewis.
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 "... Of making many books there is no end [so do not believe everything you read], and much study is a weariness of the flesh.", Ecclesiastes 12:12 (Amplified Bible)

 

How’s about going back a few verses and take it in its context to what it really means instead of Revivalist ‘proof-texting’ Viz:

9And furthermore, because the Preacher was wise, he [Solomon] still taught the people knowledge; and he pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs.

    10The Preacher sought acceptable words, even to write down rightly words of truth or correct sentiment.

    11The words of the wise are like prodding goads, and firmly fixed [in the mind] like nails are the collected sayings which are given [as proceeding] from one Shepherd.

    12But about going further Of making many books there is no end [so do not believe everything you read], and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

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Hello, Willem.

Would you listen? Do you think your ego could adjust to being taught orthodox theology in proper context? :) No doubt such teaching would be wasted on me. Possibly. Your attitude thus far paints you as being someone who isn't particularly teachable. I take it by orthodox theology you didn't mean theology of the Orthodox Church since they believe baptism is necessary for salvation and that it should be by full immersion. If I had meant the Orthodox Church then I would've used a capital 'O', just as you have. 'No', clearly what I had in mind was lower case 'o' orthodoxy, i.e. that which pertains to 'correct belief'. Of course, and contrary to your assumption, the Orthodox don't believe that baptism is necessary for salvation. Furthermore, they practice trine immersion; consequently, neither of your points has anything approaching the force that you hoped for :P

"... Of making many books there is no end [so do not believe everything you read], and much study is a weariness of the flesh.", Ecclesiastes 12:12 (Amplified Bible)

Curiouser and curiouser. There are several factors concerning this passage, about which you're clearly unaware. First, the epilogist was railing against the excessive production of books whose value he doubted. Ergo the issue wasn't about the value of books, but the value of said books (the conceptual linkage relates to the study of wisdom, and by extension, to the collection of wise sayings: see verse 11 for the immediate literary context). Second, verse 12 is an intentional application of the principle that Qohelet outlined in 9:10, "do what you will, just don't overdo it". In other words, m-o-d-e-r-a-t-i-o-n is key. Third, the Amplified Bible is rarely a credible guide, and the interpretative interpolation: "so do not believe everything you read" largely misses the mark.

When will you Revivalists learn the lesson: a text without its context is a pretext for a prooftext?

He who is wise for himself will be sated with delights, and all who see him will call him blessed. But he who is wise for the people will inherit honour, and his name will remain everlastingly in life (Sirach 37:24, 26).

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Hello, SA[d]boy.

Diotrephes had no VISION either,I dont follow revivalists,they like YOU are part of the many that Jesus spoke about. Well, you're thoroughly Revivalist in word, (mis)understanding and deed, so not being Revivalist in name is largely a moot point. Regardless, given that you clearly believe me to be devoid of 'vision', I suppose I must continue thanking God for blessing my labours despite this serious impediment :)

Really probably wasting time,remember the parable of the sower of the seed,stoney ground here! Hes moved by a spirit alright.its certainly not HOLY though. Let me suggest to you that you're not wasting time at all. To the contrary, your musings will serve as a extraordinarily valuable, permanent object lesson to those who might otherwise be tempted to embrace the folly of Revivalism (think about it).

As for your latter comment, if you believe yourself possessing God's Spirit, but that I am possessed of something altogether inferior, then you face quite several significant quandries. First, the theological: in an earlier post you sought refuge in James 1:5. Would you please explain for me why God clearly didn't follow-through on this promise with respect to you? Second, the practical: your so-called 'stony ground' seems to be reaping considerable bounty, and over an extended period. I've converted almost 600 Revivalists from their shared heresy over the past 12-odd years, a majority of whom have become Christian as a consequence. Just imagine what would've happened had the seed fallen on 'good' ground! :)

We mourn for the dead because they have no access to light. We ought to mourn for fools, because they have no access to intelligence. In fact, we should go into deeper mourning for fools, because the life they lead is worse than death. The dead are at least at rest (Sirach 22:11). 

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Your prayers are a smoke in Gods nose.
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Hello Ian.

text without its context is a pretext, isn't this one of Lloyd's favourite quotes?

No doubt such teaching would be wasted on me. Possibly. Your attitude thus far paints you as being someone who isn't particularly teachable Well actually I was thinking I'm old and by the time I eventually completed such courses there probably wouldn't be much time to use or benefit from it.

Thanks for your helpful comments on the Orthodox Church. Their web site certainly had me confused (easy to do). Perhaps when you are done with revival you can help them with their explanations of baptism. Orthodox teaching on baptism: "We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. These words, found in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, simply and yet boldly declare Orthodox teaching on baptism. The baptismal experience is often considered the fundamental Christian experience.  ... In contrast to a common Protestant viewpoint, baptism is more than just a symbolic act of burial and resurrection, but an actual supernatural transformation. Baptism is believed to impart cleansing (remission) of sins and union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection."

the Amplified Bible is rarely a credible guide I see another thing for you to do when you're done with revival, assist the authors of the Amplified Bible to improve their work.  "so do not believe everything you read" largely misses the mark. indubitably.

"... There's no end to the publishing of books, and constant study wears you out so you're no good for anything else." Ecclesiastes 12:12 (The Message)



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WillemIV

 

Well actually I was thinking I'm old and by the time I eventually completed such courses there probably wouldn't be much time to use or benefit from it.

 

 Might I say to you not to think that way because of your age? I didn’t think I could ever be used or “benefit” owing to my lack of scholarly skills but foremost, my age.

 

I turned seventy last year and reflecting on my past five years since walking away from Revival, I certainly do benefit having received true knowledge and understanding of scripture and God’s grace.

 

I started doing a ‘course’ in theology and through reading different commentaries and searching out (not withstanding drawing from Ian’s wisdom and knowledge of scripture) and seeing the true meaning of God’s word, I now confidently pass on to others what need be said of God’s will and to the needs of others, helping those that I can.

 

Take it from me, if you move in that direction your labour will not be in vain and you will be astounded of the riches and glory of God’s revelation that is hidden and never experienced by hanging on to Revivalist doctrine and heresy.

 

Also keeping in mind, it isn’t all about ‘ME’ but of what God’s will is for his creation and all mankind.

 

God bless

 

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SA[d]boy,

Your prayers are a smoke in Gods nose. Indeed they are :)

Let my prayer be set before you as incense (Psalms 141:2a).

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Hello, Willem.

... text without its context is a pretext ... isn't this one of Lloyd's favourite quotes? Given that Lloyd started off the whole prooftexting thing, I'd seriously doubt it. However, it remains one of Dr Don Carson's favourite quotes.

No doubt such teaching would be wasted on me. Possibly. Your attitude thus far paints you as being someone who isn't particularly teachable. Well actually I was thinking I'm old and by the time I eventually completed such courses there probably wouldn't be much time to use or benefit from it. I'd suggest to you that 'old dogs can learn new tricks' (to their benefit), but only when they're prepared to learn. When they're not, a more useful past time would be the warming of one's bones in front of the fire (so as to acclimatise).

Thanks for your helpful comments on the Orthodox Church. You're welcome. Their web site certainly had me confused (easy to do). Their website? I can understand your confusion, given that there is no such a thing as 'THE' definitive Orthodox website. Orthodoxy comprises of several autocephalic national communions, each having it's own Bishops and Patriarch. It's they who speak authoritatively for/about their churches beliefs, not this or that website. Perhaps when you are done with revival you can help them with their explanations of baptism. First, I think it unlikely that I will ever be 'done' with 'Revival' given that God seems determined to keep me ministering in that field. Second, I have a fairly solid grasp of what the Orthodox believe and practice; consequently, I have no particular quarrel with them. The Orthodox are orthodox after all.

Orthodox teaching on baptism: "We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. These words, found in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, simply and yet boldly declare Orthodox teaching on baptism. The baptismal experience is often considered the fundamental Christian experience.  ... In contrast to a common Protestant viewpoint, baptism is more than just a symbolic act of burial and resurrection, but an actual supernatural transformation. Baptism is believed to impart cleansing (remission) of sins and union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection."
So the 'OrthodoxWiki' is your fountainhead of information? A hint for you: try reading a little more widely, and deeply. There are several very reasonable Orthodox theologies currently available in print. Of course you could always seek out and spend time conversing with an Orthodox priest. I'm certain that such an investment on your part will prove, well, illuminating.

Moving on.

The Orthodox understand salvation to be a process, one that commences with baptism (by trine immersion, and as an infant no less), and concluding at the point at which the Christian attains theosis. And it's because the Orthodox practice infant baptism that they perceive the rite to be the starting point. Why? Because to the Orthodox, baptism is the event through which an infant enters into the Christian Church (as Cyprian put things, "a person cannot have God as his Father if he does not have the Church as his Mother").

Next, the Orthodox understand that God alone is the source and authority for salvation. According to the noted and widely published Orthodox theologian, Bishop Kallistos Ware: "God is salvation, and God's saving power is mediated to humans in his Body, the Church". Hence salvation has a corporate aspect, being a matter of identification with Christ through his Body. The Roman Catholics summed up this truth through the Latin phrase: extra ecclesiam, nulla salus.

To conclude, baptism is largely a matter of Orthodox ecclesiology more so than being necessarily a matter of Orthodox soteriology. It's for this reason that should a person be prevented from being baptised by ill health, a lack of water (etc), s/he can remedy the deficiency by partaking of the Holy Eucharist. In taking in the Body and Blood of Christ such a one receives equivalent graces to those that baptism affords (i.e those necessary for inclusion in the Church); and by extension, s/he is granted access to God through theosis. Consequently, one can achieve 'salvation' without having first been baptised.

... the Amplified Bible is rarely a credible guide ... I see another thing for you to do when you're done with revival, assist the authors of the Amplified Bible to improve their work. The marked deficiencies of the Amplified Bible are already a well known fact, so there's no need. But I will happily provide you with a list of very good English Bible translations for your consideration, if you're interested. "so do not believe everything you read" largely misses the mark. indubitably. Obviously. After all, this truth is the very reason that I started this thread!

"... There's no end to the publishing of books, and constant study wears you out so you're no good for anything else." Ecclesiastes 12:12 (The Message)

Dearie me, this keeps getting better. 'The Message' is Eugene Peterson's attempt at a modern paraphrase of Scripture. The fact that his interpretation of our verse parts company with your earlier quote from the Amplified Bible, really should tell you something ;)

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

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Hello, Ian.

Thanks for your long and detailed reply. Perhaps I should say I wasn't trying to diminish the value of studying. We live in a society that in general doesn't value such things enough.

Dearie me, this keeps getting better. 'The Message' is Eugene Peterson's attempt at a modern paraphrase of Scripture. The fact that his interpretation of our verse parts company with your earlier quote from the Amplified Bible, really should tell you something ;) Sorry, yes I was just being a bit provocative in using The Message. It was more the wearying aspect of too much study I was originally thinking of.

... text without its context is a pretext ... isn't this one of Lloyd's favourite quotes? Given that Lloyd started off the whole prooftexting thing, I'd seriously doubt it. However, it remains one of Dr Don Carson's favourite quotes. I certainly have heard him using that quote. Perhaps one lesson here is knowing something and doing it are very different things, so in that respect studying has its limitations.

I think it unlikely that I will ever be 'done' with 'Revival' very sad.

Without wanting to get into too much detail the point that I was trying to show from
OrthodoxWiki was that baptism was associated with the remission of sins. They quoted from a version of the Nicene Creed, "one baptism for the remission of sins". The remission of sins is necessary and baptism is an appropriate course of action to achieve that. This is not to say that baptism by itself is sufficient, but as you describe it, it is part of the process. The question of what happens to people who can't get baptised isn't as important as the question of what happens to people who refuse to get baptised.

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 "one baptism for the remission of sins". The remission of sins is necessary and baptism is an appropriate course of action to achieve that.

I may be wrong here, but I understood that to mean; we are baptized because we already have remission of sins through Christ.
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Hello, Willem.

Thanks for your long and detailed reply. Again, you're welcome. Perhaps I should say I wasn't trying to diminish the value of studying. We live in a society that in general doesn't value such things enough. That is true. And it's a signature failing of Revivalism.

'The Message' is Eugene Peterson's attempt at a modern paraphrase of Scripture. The fact that his interpretation of our verse parts company with your earlier quote from the Amplified Bible, really should tell you something ;) Sorry, yes I was just being a bit provocative in using The Message. So I gathered. It was more the wearying aspect of too much study I was originally thinking of. Fair enough, but you should realise that Qoholet wrote from the perspective of one living 'under the sun'.  Acknowledging this affects how we should approach, and interpret, his message.

... text without its context is a pretext ... isn't this one of Lloyd's favourite quotes? Given that Lloyd started off the whole prooftexting thing, I'd seriously doubt it. However, it remains one of Dr Don Carson's favourite quotes. I certainly have heard him using that quote. Who? Longfield or Carson? If you meant Lloyd, then it simply goes to show that he knew even less about context than I credited him with :) Perhaps one lesson here is knowing something and doing it are very different things, so in that respect studying has its limitations. I disagree. Failing to properly apply what one learns says nothing about the character or limitations of the learning, but a great deal about the character and limitations of the student.

I think it unlikely that I will ever be 'done' with 'Revival' very sad. I doubt the score or more Revivalists who I help each year would echo your sentiment. And speaking of context, what I actually wrote was: First, I think it unlikely that I will ever be 'done' with 'Revival' given that God seems determined to keep me ministering in that field. Did you altogether miss the cause in your haste to quote the result?

Without wanting to get into too much detail the point that I was trying to show from
OrthodoxWiki was that baptism was associated with the remission of sins. And this should be surprising, why? Given that Acts 2:38 links baptism with the remission of sins, why wouldn't the Orthodox (or orthodox Protestants, for that matter)? The trick is in adequately understanding the correlation between baptism and the remission of sins. I'll give you a hint: it isn't one of linear cause and effect. They quoted from a version of the Nicene Creed, "one baptism for the remission of sins". And? I attend a church where we quote the Nicene Creed in full each Sunday myself. The remission of sins is necessary and baptism is an appropriate course of action to achieve that. This is not to say that baptism by itself is sufficient, but as you describe it, it is part of the process. The question of what happens to people who can't get baptised isn't as important as the question of what happens to people who refuse to get baptised. The theological point of baptism is that it's part of the discipleship process. Consequently baptism is a rite that a Christian submits to; it's not a rite that one follows in order to become a Christian. The Salvation Army, for example, doesn't practice baptism in any form (neither do they take Communion). And yet a goodly number of Salvationists are among the most mature and gracious Christians of my acquaintance :)

Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:30, 31).

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Hello, Ralph.

Thanks for the update, and for sharing your thoughts, but I wonder if your post would have been better off in the thread I started about Walton's book? :)

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Hello, Guest

I guess I don't really share your taste in music.

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Hello, Ralph.

Thanks for the update, and for sharing your thoughts, but I wonder if your post would have been better off in the thread I started about Walton's book? :)

Blessings,

Ian

No worries Ian, I was unaware (or perhaps have forgotten) you had started the thread.

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Ian, sorry I can't seem to find that thread.

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Ralph,

I guess you'll have to search through all the threads to find it if you're really interested. I recommended Walton's book on here a couple of years ago; and if memory serves me correctly, you responded a month or so ago advising me that you'd finally found time to read it :)

UPDATE: found it http://forum1.aimoo.com/revival/Didaktikon-debunks-Revivalist-Theology/Read-these-books-1-1658704.html

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Ian, thanks.

Always interested. Will shift post to that thread.

Wow, that was back 2009. Time flies when having fun, or maybe because just getting older.

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Ian,

It looks like we'll have to agree to disagree again

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Ralph,

You might be getting older but if you're taking Ian's advice on what books you should read then you're obviously not getting wiser.

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Hi MrGrits,

So, what would you recommend me to read. Something like 'Voice of Revival' I suppose?

No thanks, much much more wiser now.
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Good morning, Grits.

It looks like we'll have to agree to disagree again. Given that you never actually commit to stating what you believe in, and given that you never actually engage with the opinions of others here, I'm not particularly concerned that you disagree with me :P

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Ian,

I proudly confess to belonging to one of the assemblies that you call Revivalist, so our opinions on doctrine are unlikely to ever be the same. Engaging with your views would probably be a waste of my time.

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Hello, Grits.

I proudly confess to belonging to one of the assemblies that you call Revivalist, so our opinions on doctrine are unlikely to ever be the same. For my part, I proudly confess to belonging to Christ, having formerly been misled and deceived by Revivalism. Consequently, our opinions on matters doctrinal will differ considerably. Such is to be expected given that I follow the Lord whilst you choose to follow the Lloyd :P

Engaging with your views would probably be a waste of my time.
That would depend. First, on whether or not you're open to being wrong concerning what you currently believe. Second, it seems to me that you're wasting your time anyway. You've targeted me in your few posts to date, yet said posts are altogether vacuous being little more than tetchy sidebars to the conversations in hand.

So might I ask: how would meaningful engagement with me be any more a waste of your time than has been your involvement thus far?

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Ian,

You seem to enjoy baiting people who believe differently to you. Why should I expose myself up for that sort of treatment?

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Grits, again.

You seem to enjoy baiting people who believe differently to you. I enjoy debating with people who believe differently to me. I also enjoy responding to the rants that inevitably result when said debates don't go the way my opponents would've liked ;) Why should I expose myself up for that sort of treatment? Because you invited it, I suppose. On 12 January 2012 you wrote (in part): While I respect Ian's intelligence and learning that doesn't mean I automatically accept his conclusions. I think they're quite flawed. I look forward to contributing some opinions as time permits. How is me asking you to engage meaningfully with me now functionally different to what was, I assume, your original intention?

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Ian,

Maybe later.

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Good morning,

As some would no doubt be aware, Melbourne has, this weekend, been hosting the 'Global Atheist Convention 2012'. What many might not be aware; however, is that this city is also hosting the 'Reason for Faith Festival'. So those of us who are fortunate enough to live in Melbourne have enjoyed the opportunity to hear (for example) Dr Richard Dawkins' views about faith, science and God on the one hand; and yet will be able to hear (for example) Dr Bruce Yabsley's views on the other :)

Dawkins is a lousy loser and a liar. He has nothing serious to debunk Theism with any science card if he can find any. Now, he is JUST an agnostic ? He is a joke.

Whilst the former convention winds up today, the latter commences tomorrow and has several free presentations taking part across the CBD throughout the course of the week (see reasonforfaith.org.au).

Blessings,

Ian




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Goodman,

You're flooding the forum with posts that say nothing, and add nothing, to the various discussions. If you believe you have something worthwhile to share, then please take the time to put together something cogent, and start a new thread.

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