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Date Posted:14/02/2005 8:59 AMCopy HTML |
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Re:Article: Why We Need to Be Spiritual Consumers Date Posted:15/02/2005 11:12 AMCopy HTML Ok, no-one else is going to bite, but I will anyway. I want to answer these questions in application to the Revivalist groups and see how we come out in the end of all the questions. Remember, the people who designed this list are NOT ex-Revivalists and I can say with 99.99% certainty HAVE NEVER HEARD OF OUR LITTLE CULTS.
No RCI/RF/CAI/GRC pastors or leaders have any formal training whatsoever. Whether that be theological, ministerial, people management, counselling or anything. One does not need to meet any training or qualification requirements to be a RC pastor. Even 'in-house' training is lacking. Internal memos and pastor's meetings have very little in the way of ministerial training content. I have had access to recordings of pastor's meetings and copies of internal memos and meeting minutes from the RCI and CAI. It's almost all admin and reproving. From the very top to the very bottom, these guys have no background whatsoever. The only real credential needed is the ok of the head honcho of the group and that is decided largely on submission and obedience. One could argue that RC pastors learn 'on the job' but this does not disqualify them from a negative response to the above question. The training is only as good as the teacher and if the teacher is an untrained moron then so will be their disciples.
3. Can you challenge the teacher's instruction? Can you question his/her advice? What happens if you disagree with the teacher? All main leaders of the RCI/RF/CAI and GRC maintain their positions through fear and if necessary, purging of dissidents. If you challenge RC doctrine or practice then you will be reprimanded and if you persist then you are booted out. Unless you are lucky enough to convince the leader to agree with you and this rarely happens. Most dissidents are left excommunicated from the groups. JUST LIKE THE CATHOLICS OF OLD WHO THEY HATE SO MUCH!!! No, that's not true, as the Catholics do have numerous councils even to the point of vetoing the Pope's said power of speaking ex-cathedra. And before you try to say that the RF are different, have a look at how Adelaide usurped the authority of the pastor, Matt Gage, in the Melbourne RF and kicked him out. The leaders of the groups are solely responsible for the doctrine and practices of the groups. Lloyd Longfield made it clear during the RCI/RF split that he and he alone was responsible for the formulation and maintenance of the RCI doctrine. He said there is no 'council' of pastors when it comes to these issues. GRC and CAI folks would also testify that Noel and Scott hold a similar power in their respective groups. So yes, the head men of each group are the sole decision makers of the doctrine. Even the RF continue to hold to the same beliefs and practices of Longfield pre the 1990s split. So whether they admit to it or not, Longfield directed their doctrines too. 4. Who does your teacher report to? If you were to complain about the teacher, to whom would you go? Is there a system of checks and balances within his/her line of authority? While the individual assembly pastors will report to the head honcho of the group, the head honcho himself is accountable to no-one. No-one whatsoever. If you wanted to complain about Noel Hollins for example then there is no-one to go to. And if you went to Noel himself then you would end up outside the group. Perhaps that is why this forum has come into existence. As there is no proper or formal avenue of complaint for abuses within the groups, anti-RC sites like the ones that have come about in the last 10 years serve a very important purpose. People want to tell their side of the story and seek some kind of justice or at least support from other who have experienced the same thing. Without these internet sites and forums, people would continue to feel isolated in their experience. It is here that we have constructed an external accountability which has forced some changes upon the groups, although the groups themselves would never admit it. 5. Within this organization who makes the rules? Who can change the rules? How often does this happen? What happens when someone breaks the rules? I don't think I need to go over this again. See above. |
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Ex_Member | Share to: #2 |
Re:Article: Why We Need to Be Spiritual Consumers Date Posted:15/02/2005 1:41 PMCopy HTML To continue...
For a start, you are expected to tithe 10% of your wage (hence my current signature, "Stay home Sundays and save 10%.") So you will be told to give this to "the Lord" but i.e. the group. They will use a myriad of Old Testament verses to support their idea that this is your spiritual responsibility to God. Of course, God doesn't need money, but the group does. You will also be expected to give up any relationships deemed by the leader to be undesirable. In most cases this includes friends and family, especially those critical of your involvement with the group. Those who mix with critics of the group are liable to be excommunicated themselves. Some , though not all, of the groups will discourage higher education. Not only is higher education often seen as 'worldly' and 'contrary to God's Word'. The truth of this is that the educated often adopt critical reasoning skills which when applied to the cult will show the errors in the doctrines and practices. Of course there are many in the groups with degrees and more who stay but they are not the norm. Contradicting themselves in their practice of discouraging people from higher education, the RCI's would periodically parade Harvard PhD holding member, Dr Charles Slack. He was often encouraged to speak and give his testimony to show that even an educated man can 'find the Lord'. Of course this really shows that an education is not necessarily a barrier to cult recruitment. And other (wrong) churches boast far higher numbers of educated men and women, so this actually proves nothing anyway. The other argument against higher education being largely unnecessary is that "the Lord is about to return, so you won't need university anyway." Considering the RCs have been saying this for well over 40 years now, and considering an undergraduate degree is only 3 years, their logic just doesn't add up. Besides, if you go to university you might get a better job and your tithe will be worth more to the church. Has anyone told the RCs this? But the last thing you will be forced to give up is your sense of individuality and decision making ability. Within all the groups, every member must 'notify the oversight' on all major decisions. These include who to date, who to marry, which assembly to attend, who you can associate with, how much time to spend with non-Revivalist members who are not open to joining the group, where to go on vacations (i.e. the official camp or private holiday), who to live with and even what job to take. This is all in light of what will or will not conflict with the agenda of "the Assembly". While it is true that the Bible often states that it is wise to seek counsel, this directive is taken a step further, and what the Revival Centres deceptively calls the need for 'notifying the oversight' in reality becomes the need for 'permission.' |
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Ex_Member | Share to: #3 |
Re:Article: Why We Need to Be Spiritual Consumers Date Posted:17/02/2005 4:19 PMCopy HTML
No. To leave the group is to lose one's eternal salvation, even if you leave one Revival Centre faction for another. Those who leave are shunned.
According to the groups, the only valid reason for leaving is DEATH. There is no leaving or graduating from what the groups have to offer. You join for life or you leave for life. There is no middle ground. 9. How does the teacher talk about people who have left the group? Is contact with them allowed, discouraged or forbidden? People who have left the group have fallen away and are spoken of in very degrading and harsh terms. The Revival Centres spread half truths and lies about those who have left even saying ex-members fall gravely ill and die. One ex-member said that he heard a pastor pronounce this upon people who had just left the church. Stories of those who fall into addictions and immoral behaviour (true or not) upon leaving the group are also lauded in front of those still in the group. Many an ex-Revival Centre member can tell you stories of having to shun those who left before them and then being shunned when they themselves left. Some are even shunned by family members. One ex-member even reported being ex-communicated herself after a former member's car was seen in her driveway by a ?spying' member of the oversight. |
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Merry Menagerie | Share to: #4 |
Re:Article: Why We Need to Be Spiritual Consumers Date Posted:18/02/2005 8:13 AMCopy HTML Interesting - thanks for that Troy.
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