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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:02/11/2009 08:04:09)
Galien,
Me lose my sense of humour? I reckon you could turn a children's birthday party into a wake! Which of your multiple personalities is the funny one? I must have missed it.
I must say though I found your explanation that prostitutes wouldn't exist if there was no demand for their services sadly amusing. You really are a sad misandrist. I note that in earlier postings you make out everything is butterflies and bluebirds for you and men are rotters, and then you come out with a statement of 20 years with practically no sex drive. I reckon if you stay on the forum long enough you will get in the Guinness Book of records for the number of times you have contradicted yourself, it must be very close to a record already.
I have come to the conclusion that you are argumentative far and beyond the point of rationality because you have no idea of the difference between right and wrong, sin and righteousness, rebellion or obedience. Your answers are full of self justification and feigned acceptance of your sin, but you make no attempt, and go as far as to refuse, to change your ways.
The Bible says that Moses chose rather to be mistreated with the people of God than enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. (Hebrews 11:25 ESV).
When will you choose? Will you choose? Can you choose? Or do you enjoy your sinful and wilful disobedience to God's Word so much, that you will always refuse to obey?
You can't keep blaming and using others as scapegoats, your time will run out.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:02/11/2009 18:50:42)
Fremde
Which of your multiple personalities is the funny one? I must have missed it.
Amongst other things.
I found your explanation that prostitutes wouldn't exist if there was no demand for their services sadly amusing.
So are you saying that the sex industry, like every other industry, does NOT operate on demand and supply? I'm sure they would be interested in hearing that.
I note that in earlier postings you make out everything is butterflies and bluebirds for you and men are rotters, and then you come out with a statement of 20 years with practically no sex drive.
I believe I intimated more than once that I have had very bad depression since about 1975. If that equates with butterflies and bluebirds in your mind, perhaps you should reread what I have written. Lack of libido is a major symptom of depression.
I have come to the conclusion that you are argumentative far and beyond the point of rationality because you have no idea of the difference between right and wrong, sin and righteousness, rebellion or obedience. Your answers are full of self justification and feigned acceptance of your sin, but you make no attempt, and go as far as to refuse, to change your ways.
John, if after my revival experience and associated similar ones, I had NOT learned the lesson of who knows what they are on about and who doesn't then the whole exercise would have been pointless really. If people want to dribble rubbish at me, I'm certainly not going to sit there like a demure little maid and not challenge it.
When will you choose? Will you choose? Can you choose?
Sounds like Dr Seuss. The kid and I both had a giggle.
Or do you enjoy your sinful and wilful disobedience to God's Word so much, that you will always refuse to obey?
Yeah that not going to church is such an evil act, and as long as they are full of people like you and your mate, that won't change. The only thing that really scares me, is that if I went back to church I would once again end up like you or him. NO THANKS!
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:02/11/2009 19:58:14)
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:02/11/2009 21:23:21)
So are you saying that the sex industry, like every other industry, does NOT operate on demand and supply? I'm sure they would be interested in hearing that.
Someone said to me once, "Women hold the key to morality, all they have to do is say NO.
Men are just mongrel bred creatures anyway."
Not my words, I think it's because of the hormones.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 05:48:51)
Thanks Brolga. You didn't miss my point obviously and nor did Galein I suspect, she just (as usual) sidestepped it. Using her argument could one then say drug suppliers are not to blame, only drug users, murderers are not to blame, only people who put themselves in harm's way?
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 05:51:19)
Fremde,
You didn't miss my point obviously and nor did Galein I suspect, she just (as usual) sidestepped it. Using her argument could one then say drug suppliers are not to blame, only drug users, murderers are not to blame, only people who put themselves in harm's way?
So its all about blame is it John? Why is that?
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 06:09:23)
Galien Number ?
Please tell the other Galien identity that it was her blaming men that sparked the response. Perhaps she did not realise that the other identity had made the posting blaming men. My responses were that that was preposterous.
Galien in the school yard, hits another kid. The teacher reprimands Galien. She responds "but I got hit first". The teacher responds "but I saw you hit first". Galien responds "but I got hit first". The teacher shows video footage of the incident. Galein responds "but I got hit first, ask anybody". Multiple witnesses agree with the teacher and the video footage. Galien responds "but I love everybody, I have since I was seven, I got hit first". Galien hates them all. They don't understand what it is like to get hit first, and says that the teacher has no right to judge her. She refuses to go to school, because all teachers are wrong, and going to school is wrong, especially because schools are full of judgemental teachers.
The incident gets sold to Rod Serling for an episode of "The Twilight Zone".
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 06:24:51)
Fremde,
Please tell the other Galien identity that it was her blaming men that sparked the response. Perhaps she did not realise that the other identity had made the posting blaming men. My responses were that that was preposterous
Unlike you I don't see everything as having fault, or the need to blame "someone". I was commenting on a well known fact.
Galien in the school yard, hits another kid. The teacher reprimands Galien. She responds "but I got hit first". The teacher responds "but I saw you hit first". Galien responds "but I got hit first". The teacher shows video footage of the incident. Galein responds "but I got hit first, ask anybody". Multiple witnesses agree with the teacher and the video footage. Galien responds "but I love everybody, I have since I was seven, I got hit first". Galien hates them all. They don't understand what it is like to get hit first, and says that the teacher has no right to judge her. She refuses to go to school, because all teachers are wrong, and going to school is wrong, especially because schools are full of judgemental teachers.
Galien in the schoolyard would NEVER hit another kid. Galien has, from the age of 5 protected the weak children from bullies, and even at that age, demanded from them what gave them the right to judge others as unworthy of decent treatment. Galien has done so her whole life, and will continue to do so, wherever she finds bullies. Even in positions of authority, the church, the workplace, internet forums. Galien will continue to demand to know from bullies exactly who the hell they think they are to treat other people badly. All the more so when they claim to represent god on the earth.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 07:35:12)
Galien,
So you don't blame you just write "facts"? So when you disparage men that is a fact. Women are exempt, but not men. Every criticism is not blame, or a generalisation, it is a "fact". So under your rules of engagement, what if I say that I am stating facts and you are blaming? Have I said that you as a woman are to blame because women are like that, as a fact? Would that fit in to the Galien way, or would that be irrational? Both. Your game is half blame, half self justifications and you have neither eyes to see or ears to hear anything else.
Fact. Women have had the vote for nearly 100 years in most democracies. Fact. Women represent more than 50% of the population in democracies. Fact. During the last 100 years there have been many deaths, injustices, wrongdoings etc. than ever before in democracies. Fact. Women, by power of their over 50% of the vote must be responsible. Fact. Men by reason of not being the majority cannot be held responsible. Basis of the hypothesis? Galien logic.
"Facts" are like statistics. You can make them mean whatever you like. Lord Asquith said "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". I venture that one could also say the same for your "facts". I had never heard the term "proof-texting" till Ian levelled it at me. It annoyed me. It annoyed me some more. Then I thought about it, prayed about it, then saw I was self-justifying what I wanted to believe.
My story about the irrational child Galein was of course, a kind of parable. You replied with a fairytale. You protected people from the age of 5? Surely for you that was late! I would have thought it would have been at least 4 years before that, or perhaps even earlier! Where did you create your delusional past? From a Supergirl comic?
You are the worst kind of bully, because you justify every mean act, every spiteful writing, every superiority, or pretend it didn't happen most of the time. The rest of the time you blame it on others or a disorder or depression or whatever comes to mind to justify your hate. Isn't the Internet wonderful, one can find more excuses than before its creation? You've even found a website that says you are a genius! General Patton claimed to be the reincarnation of a Roman General. Tom Cruise believes Scientology has done wonders for him. Your a genius! Weren't you just bagging Ian for stating his real status in response to a question I had asked him? You called him some real foul names to demean his qualifications etc. Then you trot out a web link to proclain you are a genius! No, I won't up the ante, but I will say what a total hypocrite you are.
Of course, if challenged you can always go into "poor little hard done by me mode" not forgetting to one-up the bullying at the same time. People who are not bullies do not spit venom, crudely abuse, wrongly disparage a man's character, sexuality or marital relations. Bullies do, because they justify themselves.
There have been instances of such people repenting apologising and chaging their ways. They are the ones Jesus said he came to save.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 07:50:37)
So you don't blame you just write "facts"? So when you disparage men that is a fact. Women are exempt, but not men. Every criticism is not blame, or a generalisation, it is a "fact". So under your rules of engagement, what if I say that I am stating facts and you are blaming? Have I said that you as a woman are to blame because women are like that, as a fact? Would that fit in to the Galien way, or would that be irrational? Both. Your game is half blame, half self justifications and you have neither eyes to see or ears to hear anything else.
I have no idea what you are on about John. People have sex, male and female because they have hormones.
Fact. Women have had the vote for nearly 100 years in most democracies. Fact. Women represent more than 50% of the population in democracies. Fact. During the last 100 years there have been many deaths, injustices, wrongdoings etc. than ever before in democracies. Fact. Women, by power of their over 50% of the vote must be responsible. Fact. Men by reason of not being the majority cannot be held responsible. Basis of the hypothesis? Galien logic.
Again, no idea what you are on about.
"Facts" are like statistics. You can make them mean whatever you like. Lord Asquith said "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics". I venture that one could also say the same for your "facts". I had never heard the term "proof-texting" till Ian levelled it at me. It annoyed me. It annoyed me some more. Then I thought about it, prayed about it, then saw I was self-justifying what I wanted to believe.
I could care less what Ian says. Continue to bow down to him if you like. It's no skin off my nose.
My story about the irrational child Galein was of course, a kind of parable. You replied with a fairytale. You protected people from the age of 5? Surely for you that was late! I would have thought it would have been at least 4 years before that, or perhaps even earlier! Where did you create your delusional past? From a Supergirl comic?
Nope. Don't have a delusional past, and don't tell lies. If I had a deusional past and was a liar, wuold I have admitted to some of the things I have here? Nope, would have embellished my life so I was as pure as the driven snow. But, being a christian, I always tell the truth. Even though it constantly gets me into much more trouble than lying would.
You are the worst kind of bully, because you justify every mean act, every spiteful writing, every superiority, or pretend it didn't happen most of the time.
Don't have superiority, and yes, sometimes I put the boot in. But being the evil, heretical lying satanic beast you believe me to be, that should hardly suprise you.
The rest of the time you blame it on others or a disorder or depression or whatever comes to mind to justify your hate. Isn't the Internet wonderful, one can find more excuses than before its creation? You've even found a website that says you are a genius!
See this is where I get into trouble. I assume you have the intelligence to understand what gifted means. When will I ever learn. Only one way to skin a cat in your mind John. I should know by now that any attempt to explain anything will be met by you and your mate with some kind of sneering derision. You might try re-reading the part that makes it clear the negative aspects of emotional intensity. Like the fact i have spent most of my life until the last 12 months feeling like the scum under everyone's boot. But don't let that reality get in the way of your silly stories.
Read the part about how frightening and painful it is to live with such intensity, the part where feeling different from everyone around you alienates you. But no you will continue to believe I am trying to say I am better than everyone and self important.
People who are not bullies do not spit venom, crudely abuse, wrongly disparage a man's character, sexuality or marital relations. Bullies do, because they justify themselves.
All I asked Ian to do from the beginning was close his nasty mouth. I did NOT disparage his marital relations.
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 16:35:27)
anyone else getting this soma thing instead of the forum proper?
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 16:36:48)
Galien,
Interesting perspective. However, you do lie (and have been proven doing so) and you are a hypocrite (which directly impacts upon your credibility). In addition to these two moral flaws we might add: arrogant, ignorant, self-seeking, deluded and disputatious 
Ian
(Message edited by Didaktikon On 03/11/2009 17:01:17)
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 17:03:03)
Ian,
Interesting. However, you do lie and you are a hypocrite.
And u r a broken record.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 17:04:52)
Galien,
Quite possibly. However, the melodies that I play are far easier on both the ear and spirit than are the harsh, scratchy tunes of some.
Goose.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 17:49:08)
Ian,
Quite possibly. However, the melodies that I play are far easier on both the ear and spirit than are the harsh, scratchy tunes of some.
Not to my ears. The discord of "this is how you will live your life because I know the bible and I will tell you what it says until your ears bleed, and you WILL be obedient because in the kingdom of god love doesn't matter, and if it does its not that silly emotional stuff only women feel blah blah blah" will always be offensive to my ears.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 17:56:56)
Galien,
'Yes', not to your ears. But we all know that you're "gifted" (*ahem*), and consequently the world doesn't make sense to you in the same way that it does to everyone else. Perhaps, then, it's not me with the issues?
Oh, by the way, if you're going to seek to represent what I believe, then you might try representing my actual beliefs rather than your bizarre misinterpretations of the same. Could you do that, even once, do you think? 
Goose.
Ian
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 19:07:42)
Ian,
'Yes', not to your ears. But we all know that you're "gifted" (*ahem*), and consequently the world doesn't make sense to you in the same way that it does to everyone else. Perhaps, then, it's not me with the issues?
and.....................cue the sneering derision. Predictable.
Oh, by the way, if you're going to seek to represent what I believe, then you might try representing my actual beliefs rather than your bizarre misinterpretations of the same. Could you do that, even once, do you think?
However I put it, its all the same. You think you know the bible better than anyone else, and that you have the right to be rude and judgemental on the strength of that.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 20:12:41)
Galien,
Well given your approach to matters generally, if anyone would be able to recognise "sneers" and "derision" it would be you, deary
But a correction: I don't think I know the Bible better than everyone. I do, however, know it much better than do you. And that's what's important when it comes to informed and meaningful biblical discussions
Goose.
Ian
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 20:13:10)
Sneering derision? The "ahem" was suberb! What happened to the sense of humour?
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 20:48:15)
John,
Sneering derision? The "ahem" was suberb! What happened to the sense of humour?
Sense of humour intact. Sense of disliking the spirit of nastiness and superirity behind people who get into groups to laugh at a person who genuinely tries to explain themselves also intact.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 21:06:16)
Galien,
"Cork" your "gob" and try listening to others for a moment. It'll change your perspective forever.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 21:09:54)
Galien,
"Cork" your "gob" and try listening to others for a moment. It'll change your perspective forever.
Ian
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 21:18:11)
Ian,
"Cork" your "gob" and try listening to others for a moment. It'll change your perspective forever.
I listen alright, but I've not heard much difference in the way people in groups treat others they don't understand between kindergarten and now.
STILL waiting for christians to treat others the way Jesus did. I have waited a lifetime, I've pretty well given up now.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:03/11/2009 21:21:07)
Galien,
Fine. You'll be leaving soon, then?
Ian
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 16:59:26)
Brolga:
Apparently you harbour significant misunderstandings about God, nature, and what is or is not "appropriate behaviour" with respect to him.
You naughty, naughty boy.
Perhaps you could have Ian write you a pamplet entitled "What We Believe", just so you don't make any more mistakes.
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 18:41:30)
Galien,
SIT ON IT GIRL,
it is just a matter of making an effort to see what scripture does mean.. If one was to keep the mind set and teaching of the Revivalist ignorance or form an opinion of one's own which means absolutely zero as far as God's word is concerned, then we are as nothing in this world or the world to come. If one professes to be a CHRISTIAN then one needs to know how a CHRISTIAN ought to behave and do. It is not Ian's opinion but what God says. I'm not so dull as to take his or anyones word without seeing it myself in the bible. Try stop being a hindrance to Jesus' work for a change.
You certainly are a "thorn in the flesh"
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 18:45:14)
Galien,
I used to wonder whether you were simply stupid, or just plain malicious. Given this latest piece of tripe, I'm left thinking it was naive of me to think it was a case of "either/or" 
Goose.
Ian
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 19:21:19)
Brolga,
SIT ON IT GIRL,
Haven't heart that one since happy days.
it is just a matter of making an effort to see what scripture does mean.. If one was to keep the mind set and teaching of the Revivalist ignorance or form an opinion of one's own which means absolutely zero as far as God's word is concerned, then we are as nothing in this world or the world to come.
I like you brolga, you are a good man. No one needs to keep the rubbish from revival in their head. Does no one any good. Just remember when forming any opinion about God's word that there is still an opinion, though classed as an "interpretation" by biblical "scholars", that had to come from somewhere in the first place, and that somewhere was either an opinion from one person's head, or a few with their heads together.
If one professes to be a CHRISTIAN then one needs to know how a CHRISTIAN ought to behave and do.
That is what we have the bible for. It isn't hard to understand on the surface. Its the subtext most often missed. God knows we arent all scholars, do you really think he would have presented us with a bible we couldn't understand without the help of "experts"? It's not exactly rocket science is it?
It is not Ian's opinion but what God says. I'm not so dull as to take his or anyones word without seeing it myself in the bible. Try stop being a hindrance to Jesus' work for a change.
I don't find you dull brolga, but I do wonder why you don't tell him to pull his head in when he acts in a condscending manner toward you or others.
You certainly are a "thorn in the flesh"
We all need one of those. Prevents us from getting too far up ourselves.
Try and remember brolga that the "orthodox" church is just a collection of sinners whose sin is covered by jesus blood. Said church over centuries has been guilty of some terrible atrocities. Those who run it are human. More than once they have made decisions that allowed them to burn their brethren to death over imagined heresies and feel good about doing so.
The spirit of god reveals to one's heart what is required.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 19:31:14)
Galien,
Oops. Given this latest piece of nonsense, I should've added "ignorant" to the list.
Goose.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 19:45:51)
Ian,
Oops. Given this latest piece of nonsense, I should've added "ignorant" to the list.
How very remiss of you.
Just had a slight slip there. I keep forgetting the church is perfect, makes no mistakes, has all the answers. Funny how it is only the church itself who actually believes that.
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 20:08:15)
Any idea how many ex revivals I know who have walked away from god? Too many.
After years of sitting there being told what to think, how to think, what to feel, how to feel , how to address god, how to perceive god, how to love god, how to be a christian "properly" blah blah blah too many people are just sick and bloody tired of it. Some of us NEED to be allowed to love god and perceive him the way our heart does, need to be allowed to use the brain, the intuition and the spirit god GAVE us. We dont all want to be a bunch of clones any more. THAT IS WHY A LOT OF US LEFT REVIVAL. Leave us alone and let us love god the way we do. Our relationship with him is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
We don't want to be part of ANOTHER group that thinks THEY own the truth of god and everyone else is an uninformed idiot. We want to REALLY love god and others from the depths of our souls without some kind of prescription to do so. How DARE anyone presume to tell another how to love their god, or tell them how they love him is WRONG.
A lot of people understand god is a CONSTRUCT and no two people will have the same construct unless someone picks up a bible and TELLS them - this is what your construct "should" be. Never mind that people have actual experiences with god that are NOT mentioned in the bible. Of course they are NOT really of god because if no example can be found in the bible of said experience it MUST be false. God cannot possibly do ANYTHING that isnt written in the bible. He is only god.
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Reply to Galien
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 20:50:53)
Galien
How DARE anyone presume to tell another how to love their god, or tell them how they love him is WRONG.
How dare *you* presume to tell *me* that I should not love YHWH by pointing out to someone who claims to be a Christian when he/she is not doing what is written in what I believe to be YHWH's inscripturated word, and is therfore not doing what JHWH says?
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 20:59:27)
[Oops. Deleted duplicate post]
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:01:49)
Galien,
I personally find it ironic that those with the least idea about a given matter are invariably those who have the most to say, albeit with the fewest "facts"! Unfortunately for you having an alarming level of biblical and theological ignorance doesn't qualify you to share your silly personal opinions here as if they somehow warranted serious consideration. And given our shared Revivalist past, of "kow-towing" to Lloyd Longfield's similarly bizarre personal opinions, why should we credit your rubbish any higher?
Goose.
Ian
P.S. To use your turn of phrase: some are uninformed idiots.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:24:38)
Talmid
How dare *you* presume to tell *me* that I should not love YHWH by pointing out to someone who claims to be a Christian when he/she is not doing what is written in what I believe to be YHWH's inscripturated word, and is therfore not doing what JHWH says?
If your love for YHWH is contingent on telling others what they are doing wrong, then I feel sad for you.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:31:13)
Ian,
I personally find it ironic that those with the least idea about a given matter are invariably those who have the most to say, albeit with the fewest "facts"! Unfortunately for you having an alarming level of biblical and theological ignorance doesn't qualify you to share your silly personal opinions here as if they somehow warranted serious consideration. And given our shared Revivalist past, of "kow-towing" to Lloyd Longfield's similarly bizarre personal opinions, why should we credit your rubbish any higher? 
I was under the impression that this was a forum for revival and ex revival members, not a weekly newsletter for those who had chosen to belong to the "orthodox" church only. Seems no one else even gets a look in here anymore if they are not one of your followers. Has everyone else just left due to lack of interest?
I don't kow-tow to anyone Ian.
You are just another religious dogmatist.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:44:10)
Galien,
Clearly you've been mistaken about a raft of issues, then To begin with, this is a discussion forum; a place where ideas can be offered for consideration, and tested for merit. Sorry that your multiplied personal opinions haven't stood up to any sort of scrutiny, but such is simply a fact of life (whether "gifted" or not). If you don't like it, you have two choices: "lump" it or leave
Goose.
Ian
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 22:33:09)
Galien
Has everyone else just left due to lack of interest?
Um .... no!!!
I reckon they're all there in cyber space still, some good buddies of mine, waiting to get a word in edgewise!!
You said "no one even gets a look in here anymore" .... hello!!! Too many good and deep thinkers are out there, perhaps waiting for you to run out of bitterness and accusation. I fear this isn't going to be any time soon??
This forum got along fine with much kindness and understanding and occasionally a difference of opinion for spice. You leave little room for this to occur. As a relative newcomer here I started by reading a lot of past posts, learned how it works, careful not to upset any unwritten forum etiquette. Have a read back for yourself.
You seem never to engage in discussions about 'real' spiritual/biblical issues. Just today/last evening you took some banter between obvious well-acquainted friends (Ian and Brolga) and decided to take it to the forum proper and start up another attack. You do not know the depth of their friendship, past conversations or whether tongue-in-cheek was at play.
You heap abuse on one of the most careful and respected teachers I've met in a while. I am not alone in my appreciation. You, however, are alone in your contempt.
Do us a favour, go for a long walk and rethink your approach. There is room for improvement.
I use my full name hereunder because I'm a bit miffed.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 22:48:35)
I reckon they're all there in cyber space still, some good buddies of mine, waiting to get a word in edgewise!!
Anyone can say anything at any time can't they?
You said "no one even gets a look in here anymore" .... hello!!! Too many good and deep thinkers are out there, perhaps waiting for you to run out of bitterness and accusation. I fear this isn't going to be any time soon??
Not bitter, just want to know why christians are not happy unless they are telling everyone else how to live, and why none of the christians on here ever tell ian to shut up when he is being rude to people.
This forum got along fine with much kindness and understanding and occasionally a difference of opinion for spice. You leave little room for this to occur. As a relative newcomer here I started by reading a lot of past posts, learned how it works, careful not to upset any unwritten forum etiquette. Have a read back for yourself.
Have.
You seem never to engage in discussions about 'real' spiritual/biblical issues.
Real? What DOES that mean?
Just today/last evening you took some banter between obvious well-acquainted friends (Ian and Brolga) and decided to take it to the forum proper and start up another attack. You do not know the depth of their friendship, past conversations or whether tongue-in-cheek was at play.
Didaktikon: Ralph. I think you might be harboring some significant misunderstandings about God, his nature, and what is or is not "appropriate behaviour" with rspect to him. Ian
You didnt think he meant that seriously? Ian KNOWS how we all should think. We don't. Apparently we need his help to get it right. I really do not understand why you don't find that incredibly offensive.
You heap abuse on one of the most careful and respected teachers I've met in a while. I am not alone in my appreciation. You, however, are alone in your contempt.
Careful? Not with his mouth. And no, I am not alone. And it isnt necessarily contempt. Its more like being completely gobsmacked that anyone who has come out of revival would behave with such contempt for the ability of others to work things out for themselves.
Do us a favour, go for a long walk and rethink your approach. There is room for improvement.
There is always room for improvement, in all of us.
I use my full name hereunder because I'm a bit miffed.
Sorry to miff you chips, but he makes me want to spit chips as well.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 22:58:59)
Galien,
You're still not listening Time to stop using the inclusive "we", as you clearly speak for no-one but yourself.
Goose.
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Reply to Galien
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 23:58:45)
Galien
How DARE anyone presume to tell another how to love their god, or tell them how they love him is WRONG.
How dare *you* presume to tell *me* that I should not love YHWH by pointing out to someone who claims to be a Christian when he/she is not doing what is written in what I believe to be YHWH's inscripturated word, and is therfore not doing what JHWH says?
If your love for YHWH is contingent on telling others what they are doing wrong, then I feel sad for you.
You miss my point. You are hypocritical with the way you apply the first statement: you can tell others how to love God (ie certain things shouldn't be done), but disallow others the same right. In fact, the way you use the statement is self-contradictory and therefore a nonsense.
Now, since this isn't the "orthodox Christian" forum I have no problem with you expressing you pov, provided normal etiquette applies. As far as I'm concerned feel free to say what you like, as long as you're prepared to meet challenge without flaming.
IMO Ian is *blunt*, rather than rude, although sometimes a little "naughty". His approach really is *very* similar to that of Jesus as recorded in the bible. The pharisees were *livid* with what he said to them. They were *very* particular about loving YHWH to the best of their ability but in critical aspects they were *wrong*. Similaly you would be wise to consider the truth of what Ian says, even though he isn't JC, despite your reaction to his manner.
Why don't Xians challenge Ian's manner? Some years ago I suggested Ian use more "honey" and less "vinegar" to "catch his flies". (I'm not the lone ranger there.) He quite reasonably pointed out that such a call was his to make. But frankly I think you're being hypocritcally inconsistent in your call. *You* responded to his intellectual challenges with disparaging remarks about the size of his you-know-what! *You* continue to attack his motives.
Finally, you mentioned self-esteem issues some time ago . I have chronic lack of self-esteem. I see in your comments about Ian being "controlling" and "not being allowed to be yourself" the same sort of gut-level reactions I can have when being given advice by people with "strong personalities". The problem is not with them. It's with me, and I'm learning to deal with it. I'd suggest you ponder the possibility of such skewing of your own perspective!
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:06/11/2009 00:00:28)
Ian,
Ghandi said - even in a majority of one, the truth is still the truth.
And as far as I know you don't have access to my private message box, and you have no idea how many people you annoy as much or more than you annoy me. They just don't bother arguing the point Ian because of the filthy way you speak to them.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:06/11/2009 00:35:21)
If your love for YHWH is contingent on telling others what they are doing wrong, then I feel sad for you.
You miss my point. You are hypocritical with the way you apply the first statement: you can tell others how to love God (ie certain things shouldn't be done), but disallow others the same right. In fact, the way you use the statement is self-contradictory and therefore a nonsense.
I have no interest in telling anyone else how to love God. I have every interest in not being told how do to it, and further interest in not being spoken to like I am a moron because I disagree. I paticularly hate it when he does it to others.
Now, since this isn't the "orthodox Christian" forum I have no problem with you expressing you pov, provided normal etiquette applies. As far as I'm concerned feel free to say what you like, as long as you're prepared to meet challenge without flaming.
IMO Ian is *blunt*, rather than rude, although sometimes a little "naughty". His approach really is *very* similar to that of Jesus as recorded in the bible. The pharisees were *livid* with what he said to them. They were *very* particular about loving YHWH to the best of their ability but in critical aspects they were *wrong*. Similaly you would be wise to consider the truth of what Ian says, even though he isn't JC, despite your reaction to his manner.
I am just as naughty as he is, I will own that. But I'm not the "christian teacher" am I. I know what Ian says, its why he says it that interests me.
Why don't Xians challenge Ian's manner? Some years ago I suggested Ian use more "honey" and less "vinegar" to "catch his flies". (I'm not the lone ranger there.) He quite reasonably pointed out that such a call was his to make. But frankly I think you're being hypocritcally inconsistent in your call. *You* responded to his intellectual challenges with disparaging remarks about the size of his you-know-what! *You* continue to attack his motives.
I guess that is because I don 't find Ian's "challenges" intellectual in the slightest, and yes, I do doubt his motives. I understand that he believes he has found the holy grail in the orthodox church, and that he wants to share that with others. It would be nice though if he could keep his damn nose out when he has been clearly told his opinions are NOT wanted, and the individual does NOT want his "teaching" rammed down their throat. Coming out of a cult that convinced me I was separated from god to the point where I had a breakdown, do you really think he needs to labour the issue of me not being a christian and not having anything to do with god. If he succeeded in convincing me, and I had another breakdown, do you think he would even CARE?
Finally, you mentioned self-esteem issues some time ago . I have chronic lack of self-esteem. I see in your comments about Ian being "controlling" and "not being allowed to be yourself" the same sort of gut-level reactions I can have when being given advice by people with "strong personalities". The problem is not with them. It's with me, and I'm learning to deal with it. I'd suggest you ponder the possibility of such skewing of your own perspective!
I am told I have a strong personality, although I do not feel strong. My self esteem issues are in the past. I am a strong believer in the four temperament types, sanguine, phlegmatic, melacholy and choleric. Choleric types believe they know everything better than everyone else, and are not able to shut up and leave others alone to just be who they are. I have the same issue with all of them, not just Ian. No one likes to be ridden roughshod over by a tank of a person who has no respect for your intelligence, your experience or your ideas. No one wants to be at the mercy of a big mouth know all who can't shut up long enough to listen or care about how you feel inside. Ian likes to think god doesn't care about how we feel but I do not believe that for a second.
If I have a chronic problem Talmid, it is being chronically disgusted by people who want to be on top and won't settle for anything less, even if it means hurting, disparaging and dismissing the contents of the other person's heart, especially when they are a christian. Show me ANYWHERE in the bible where its okay to do that. I am tired of otherwise intelligent people who use their intelligence to look down upon and disparage others who are not as intelligent. To me the measure of a person is how they treat those who are weaker than they are.
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Reply to Galien
(Date Posted:06/11/2009 01:26:47)
Galien
Well, I'd say that your assessment of Ian *is* skewed ...
[post editing]
... I'd also suggest you suspend disbelief long enough to at least discuss the last paragraph of my last post with your therapist.
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Reply To Galien
(Date Posted:06/11/2009 02:16:20)
Galien,
Ghandi said - even in a majority of one, the truth is still the truth.
Absolutely! But your problem is to assume that what you present is, indeed, the "truth". I've amply demonstrated that it isn't. Instead of being "fact" as you suppose, it's little more than "fiction", and not even "pious" fiction at that!
And as far as I know you don't have access to my private message box, and you have no idea how many people you annoy as much or more than you annoy me. They just don't bother arguing the point Ian because of the filthy way you speak to them.
Lucky me. Perhaps you could learn from their examples? That is, if you're capable of learning anything from anyone.
Goose.
Ian
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:06/11/2009 04:57:34)
Galien, If I may be so bold as to voice my opinion, from the grandstands of this forum, this agora, this arena of sorts, then can I say that what we are watching is a "fight" between a seasoned revival-doctrine killer and an incredibly cocky upstart. Whilst it was kind of painfully amusing for a while, it is getting very tiresome, since you always make the same point over and over. How long are you going to be repeating it for? One other thing doesn't make sense. If there is so much evil in group dynamics as you propose to see and experience, and if these groups tend to propagate such evil behaviours (as you claim to see in some here on the forum), then it would follow that such has been the case for thousands of years, with every type of organisation under the sun, including this forum. In that case, what makes you think that your excessive and constant hyperventilation here will do anything to change this? It will just wear you out. I would suggest either walking away, or finding it within yourself to discuss topics without personalizing everything, otherwise you will just hurt yourself. That's all folks.... SinTaxError |
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:06/11/2009 08:01:33)
Galien
Thus far, Ian has not invoiced me for the time he spends on my forum fielding questions I'm not qualified to answer, but I feel that pretty soon, he just might!
I honestly thought (and hoped) you'd give up by now. Gosh, even 'Luke' gave up at some point.
Last drinks please. Wrap it up.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:06/11/2009 15:09:30)
STE,
If I may be so bold as to voice my opinion, from the grandstands of this forum, this agora, this arena of sorts, then can I say that what we are watching is a "fight" between a seasoned revival-doctrine killer and an incredibly cocky upstart. Whilst it was kind of painfully amusing for a while, it is getting very tiresome, since you always make the same point over and over. How long are you going to be repeating it for?
Does one need to be BOLD to voice an opinion? One tends to fight against human nature, which is of course futile. Yet one feels that if one sits by and says nothing when nasty bits go on, that one is not doing one's "job" as a christian and a decent human being. One, having been the victim of a nasty cult cannot understand how its okay to be a christian teacher and willfully nasty at the same time. One spent nine years in revival watching identical behaviour, so one assumes that if the "real" truth has been found the behaviour would be different. One despairs that it is not.
One other thing doesn't make sense. If there is so much evil in group dynamics as you propose to see and experience, and if these groups tend to propagate such evil behaviours (as you claim to see in some here on the forum), then it would follow that such has been the case for thousands of years, with every type of organisation under the sun, including this forum. In that case, what makes you think that your excessive and constant hyperventilation here will do anything to change this? It will just wear you out. I would suggest either walking away, or finding it within yourself to discuss topics without personalizing everything, otherwise you will just hurt yourself.
One was worn out with frustration years ago that people still like to hold on to illogical, hurtful ways of behaving even though they are christian. One has felt so full of despair one has wanted to lie down and die more than once because people are essentially dishonest, and can be so evil. However, one needs to live, and one must be true to oneself to do that instead of following the crowd. One just hopes against hope that those who love god will one day see that there are all kinds of evil in the world, not just the obvious stuff.
I suppose in my reasoning, made when a child, is that if it is our nature that is sinful and displeasing to god, then putting on the mind of christ involves being opposite to human nature. Opposite to being petty, dishonest, self seeking, political, faithless, mean, seeking status in the recognition of others or for the material things we own, the belief or need to feel we are in any way better than others etc. Perhaps I have been wrong in this, but I am who I am now, and I still cannot really see how being any of the things I have mentiond can be pleasing to god.
I really like your posts STE. More. Please.
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RE:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:06/11/2009 15:55:57)
Galien, Can't you read?  You are treading on thin ice. Uncoolman (who, in case you didn't know, is the " Bwanna" the " Grand Poobah" the " Head Honcho" the " Big Enchilada" the " Boss Cocky" of this forum) hasn't asked you to wrap it up, he has TOLD you.  Unless you want to get the boot  , for the first time in your life (I opine) act like a tortoise and pull your head in. That means cease and desist from your nasty character assassinations and vitriol. Should we ask Wernher von Braun to explain it to you? It shouldn't have to be rocket science! Thank you Moddy!  John 
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Re:Noel is not the Lord's Annointed
(Date Posted:06/11/2009 16:38:46)
Yes thank you John, I got the message. I was just answering a post thanks.
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