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Stripes
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Rank:Noobmeister

Score: 420
Registered: 16/06/2008

(Date Posted:22/06/2008 05:29:54)

RCI morals policy of expelling fornicators and adulterers for EVER, is a policy of condemnation.

For starters consider these scriptures:
James 5:19-20 "brethren, if any of you (Spirit filled) do err (sin - any sin) from the truth, and one converteth (bring him back) him; Let him (the  converter) know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from DEATH, and shall hide (cover) a multitude of sins."

How can RCI even try to bring back a sinner if they have expelled him/her for ever?



(Message edited by Uncoolman On 28/07/2008 07:34:37)
brolga
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Rank:Poster Grande III

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Registered: 01/03/2007

RE:RCI Members Consider
(Date Posted:22/06/2008 20:24:40)

(Date Posted:22/06/2008 18:29:54)

 

RCI morals policy of expelling fornicators and adulterers for EVER, is a policy of condemnation.

For starters consider these scriptures:
James 5:19-20 "brethren, if any of you (Spirit filled) do err (sin - any sin) from the truth, and one converteth (bring him back) him; Let him (the  converter) know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from DEATH, and shall hide (cover) a multitude of sins."

How can RCI even try to bring back a sinner if they have expelled him/her for ever?

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Stripes,

How does one "err from the truth", if they don't have the truth (of Scripture) in the first place?
But I know what you mean.

brolga

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Who said it could not be done? And tell me what great victories does he have to his credit which qualifies him to judge others accurately?
misterkilometres
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Rank:Rookier IV

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Registered: 12/06/2008

RE:RCI Members Consider
(Date Posted:24/06/2008 07:11:16)

Hello stripes,

What's worse is that they used to take them back so at least they had a chance.  Now they are someone elses problem.
Fancy telling the poor soul who happened to make a mistake to go and "take a backseat in a church somewhere" as LRL used to say from the platform.  Hypocrates.  Where I fellowship, we have seen a number of folk being "shown the love and the grace of Jesus" from RCI and RF's.  Thier policy is being noted all over the orthodox arena.  At least these sinners find love and grace and forgiveness outside of RCI, so in hindsight it is in fact the best thing they can do!?

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Stripes
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Rank:Noobmeister

Score:420
Registered: 16/06/2008

RE:RCI Members Consider
(Date Posted:25/06/2008 01:49:54)

Cont. from 22/6/08

The main scriptures that RCI oversight uses to justify the permanent expulsion of fornicators/adulterers are:
1 Cor: 5:5 " To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit (soul) may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
1Cor 5:13 "But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from amomg yourselves that wicked person."

There is no doubt that from these scriptures such a sinner must be placed outside of the church for a time. However there is not a shred of evidence that this person should never be able to find his/her way back to fellowship. Quite the opposite!
While this person is out and shows repentance and remorse, what are we his Spirit filled brothers and sisters to do? According to RCI...HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM!
What does the Bible say? After all is not what the Bible says more important than what man says?

James 5:20 " Let him know, that he which converteth (brings back to righteous living) the sinner from the error of his ways shall save a soul (spirit) from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins." Is not this the answer to
1 Cor. 5:5 ?
This is the Bible way of dealing with a repented sinner. Does this reflect RCI policy?
Glawrey
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Registered: 04/10/2007

RE:RCI Members Consider
(Date Posted:25/06/2008 02:04:39)

Reply to misterkilometres (24/06/2008 05:11:16)
Hello stripes,

  Where I fellowship, we have seen a number of folk being "shown the love and the grace of Jesus" from RCI and RF's. 

Where do you fellowship MrK ??
misterkilometres
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Rank:Rookier IV

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Registered: 12/06/2008

RE:RCI Members Consider
(Date Posted:25/06/2008 18:34:13)

  Where I fellowship, we have seen a number of folk being "shown the love and the grace of Jesus" from RCI and RF's. 
Where do you fellowship MrK ??

Hello Glawrey,

I fellowship at All Saints Anglican Church in Greensborough.  It is part of the Evangelical Anglican movement.

Regards Mr Kilometres.

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Stripes
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Rank:Noobmeister

Score:420
Registered: 16/06/2008

RE:RCI Members Consider
(Date Posted:07/07/2008 03:34:30)

Cont. from 24/6/08

If expelling fornicators for ever is true according to the Bible then:
1Cor. 5:11 "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, (for ever?) if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one, no not eat". (for ever?) If a constant line of reasoning is to be maintained, then all committing any of the sins mentioned in vs.11 should be expelled for ever. Vs.13 " But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. (For ever?)
Here Paul is referring to any that have committed any of the sins in vs.11.
Why then does RCI not expel drunkards for ever?
Why not covetous persons for ever?
What about extortioners for ever?
What about idolaters for ever?
This is and has always been a selective condemning policy, that finds no Biblical justification.
Disciple
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