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RE:Letter to the Adelaide Revival Fellowship
(Date Posted:05/10/2008 22:20:02)
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Didaktikon
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Reply To Guest
(Date Posted:05/10/2008 23:23:54)
Hi, Guest.
Let me begin by stating that responding to your post is going to be fun!
Firstly you are concerned there is no love.
'Yep', and biblically speaking, this presents as significant grounds for concern.
The pastors aren't there to dish out love, respect yes if you wan't your wishy washy touchy feely type meeting maybe try edge.
First, the role of pastor is supposed to be to embody love. Do you remember the ol' Bible verse that talks about the shepherd laying down his life for the sheep? Eh? Second, there is but six degrees of separation between the Adelaide RF and the Edge. Both are equally off-the-rails when it comes to promoting unbiblical nonsense 
I have family there they make me sick.
Yes, but I'm sure they still love you regardless. One group fosters love, the other hate. Guess which one you belong to?
As far as ex-members are concerned I have personally no problem seing visiting or socialising with them and I think you'll find a lot of people view the same way.
What a pity that your Oversight thinks, and teaches differently, huh? So what do your actions make you? A rebel (without a clue)?
Just this week end we had a yp camp and the thing that stto out was a talk if you are around sick people you're going to get sick. This being the sam e for your walk in the Lord.
Well, I suppose nonsense of this sort just goes to show how far removed from biblical teaching you fellows truly are. Consider, Jesus Christ hung around sinners rather than the (self) righteous. He also went to some pains to point out that it was the sick who had need of a physician, and not the healthy. He consorted with prostitutes. Drunkards. The impoverished and dispossessed. In short, Jesus taught that "sick" people don't get "well" unless "well" people are willing to tend to the needs of the "sick" 
Methinks you have much to ponder.
Blessings,
Ian
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Vivos voco, mortuos plango
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Episkopeo
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RE:Letter to the Adelaide Revival Fellowship
(Date Posted:06/10/2008 02:46:32)
Hi there Guest,
"The Pastors aren't there to dish out love" you say. Well, what Jesus said is that there is none other commandment greater than LOVE.
Mark 12:30-31:- And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength; this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
If as you state you're "a group who wish to do things properly" perhaps you should take your lead from Jesus' teaching and commandments. It would be worth seriously questioning the validity of your church teaching if your pastors are not there to dish out love because, first and foremost, Jesus command to love is the example they should be setting.
God Bless you.
Epi
Just including a few other of the many scriptures on love for good measure : John 13:34, John 15:12.
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Episkopeo
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RE:Letter to the Adelaide Revival Fellowship
(Date Posted:06/10/2008 03:00:45)
Here's a call for the RF pastors:- To make a effort to put aside the heavy focus on to admonish, chastise, reprove, reproach, reprimand and rebuke and make a rule of LOVE as Jesus commanded.
God Bless on this.
Epi
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RE:Letter to the Adelaide Revival Fellowship
(Date Posted:06/10/2008 06:09:38)
Guest: The pastors aren't there to dish out love, respect yes if you wan't your wishy washy touchy feely type meeting maybe try edge. I have family there they make me sick. . Urchin: You don't have to tell us that your pastors aren't there to dish out love - WE KNOW THAT! And do tell, just how do they 'dish out respect'? Been to Edge Church? If not, how can you comment on it? Guest: As far as ex-members are concerned I have personally no problem seing visiting or socialising with them and I think you'll find a lot of people view the same way Urchin: So you 'personally have no problem seeing, visiting or socialising with' the 'ex-members' huh? Did you know you can be severely disciplined or even told to stop seeing them or you'll be 'put out'? You better get used to the other churches that you're knocking so much then. Guest: Just this week end we had a yp camp and the thing that stto out was a talk if you are around sick people you're going to get sick. This being the sam e for your walk in the Lord. Urchin: Amen to that - most sensible thing that was said all camp I bet! So when are you going to stop hanging around sick people then? Seriously 'guest', get out your Bible and read it for yourself. Jesus hung out with the 'sick', the lame, the crippled, the tax collectors, the prostitutes. It was the Pharisees who thought they were 'doing it all correctly' and were shocked that Jesus hung around with such 'sick people'. In fact, let me tell you a little story...
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RE:Letter to the Adelaide Revival Fellowship
(Date Posted:06/10/2008 06:44:14)
Guest, this is the little 'story'
The Pharisees saw Jesus eating with sinners. Jesus said I have come to call sinners, not those who are well - those who are sick, not those who THINK they are well. Everyone is sick (a sinner) but some know it and some don't. We are all broken people, we all have 'issues' in our lives. All have sinned and fall short of God's standards. Mark 3:1 Jesus healed the man's withered hand on the sabbath. Some people (the Pharisees) showed hard hearts about this breaking of the sabbath. After they had witnessed this they went to see about having Jesus killed - He had 'messed with the program (the rules)'. The Pharisees failed to focus on the need - instead they focused on the rules. Religious people don't show compassion (love) for broken people but call them the 'scum of the earth'. Jesus came for these very people - not to worry about the law that says you can't work (heal) on the sabbath.
How Jesus views brokenness:
1) He went into the temple and saw a broken man - He didn't see the shining brass, the 'things'. He saw a broken man with a withered hand and He is attracted to such people. He looked angrily at the Pharisees though, those who shut off their hearts and don't show compassion for the broken. John 8:30 IF you abide in my word you are my disciples indeed and in my word you will discover the truth and the truth will set you free. On our journey we allow the truth of God's word to work in our lives. There are areas in our lives where we are broken (not quite 'whole') and Jesus is attracted to brokenness.
2) The man with the withered hand wasn't even known by any name - his identity was in his brokenness. Jesus calls him to stand up in front of the pharisees and extend his arm. He had to display his brokenness - Jesus believed that brokenness shouldn't be 'hidden' (by religion)
3) Jesus doesn't see your brokenness as an OBSTACLE, He sees it as an OPPORTUNITY. Brokenness EXPOSED is an opportunity to bring breakthrough to yourself and to others.
4) He was (and we can be) healed through the openess and vulnerability of a broken person. By being obedient and trusting His word the man could (and we can) be made whole.
Why did Jesus do THAT miracle that day? Who REALLY had the withered hand? The hand represents an outreaching to others - was Jesus trying to address a 'spiritual withering'? The Pharisees had spiritually withered hands - an inability to reach out, love and serve others.
Three things we can do:
1) never lose sight of OUR NEED for God every day
2) don't lose sight of GOD'S NEED for us - He can't work with people that don't show their withered hands and their brokenness. He will use our brokenness to reach others.
3) don't lose sight of MAN'S NEED for God - view the people around you as people that need God too.
These are my notes from a talk heard recently - worth thinking about?
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