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(Date Posted:22/08/2007 13:51:00)
Hahahahahahaahaha!!! 
E/V, and the ambiguity, contradictions and nonsense don't stop there.....
Deciphering the book has been a life-long study of thousands of folk, for thousands of years, and after it all, they all arrive at different conclusions on all sorts of matters.
I acknowledge there are some wonderful stories, lessons and messages contained in the book, but the absurdity of living life by it is plain as day for most. Yet, amazingly, they continue to paw at the pages and live as though it is the panacea for every woe, and source of all wisdom. The mind boggles!
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OTR
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(Date Posted:22/08/2007 16:06:05)
Reply to : worriedmum
My search of God always stumbled in the first chapter of the Bible. I have questions for you.......
God apparently created the Earth first, then the Sun. So what did the Earth spin around until he created the Sun? And where did the light come from, if there was not a sun? (Oh, sorry, I forgot, the earth was flat when God created it.) Then he created two great lights, the sun and the moon. God obviously knew, that the moon reflects the light of the sun, so, no sun, no function, so he created them at the same time.
I don't think man can really give a positive answer to this, only speculate, what the mechanics of it all is, does it really matter? We shouldn't put limits on God.
God blessed them (creatures) to multiply, but placed man and a woman in the Garden of Eden and did not give them this blessing. No, for the humans it was sort of a punishment, when they ate the fruit.
God did bless Adam and Eve by putting them in paradise, it was them who disobeyed God and lost that blessing.
"And God said: let us make man in our image." So, what does he look like, Asian, white, or like an African pygmy? Does he have a penis? If he does, what for? If he does not, why not? It is in the Bible, that a man and God were alike. Was God an alien?
The word image in its grammatical context means; 'to become like or assimilation:' i.e. to be (little)gods over the creation. Not so much as God looking like a human form
God is a Spirit, and believers, men and women, will be as the angels in the next life, we are told there will be no more relationships.
God rested on the seventh day. ('Yom') He already new, that it is a biological rhythm and followed the lunar calendar, which he created himself.
God did not invent the lunar calendar, man did.
God prohibited Adam to eat a fruit of knowledge, or for in the day that thou eates thereof though shalt surely die. However, Adam did not die in that DAY. So, why does God lies? 'DAY' mentioned here comes from the Hebrew 'Yom' meaning, era or period of time. God cannot lie.
Eve was created from a rib. God mastered cloning very well then.
Well... OK, if it can be done, He would certainly be able to.
Cain, the first son of Adam, which woman did he marry? His sister, we don't know of? Sounds like incest.
There are various scriptures that indicate there must have been a pre-Adamic race of people created. (Example)When Cain was sent into exile we read he went to the land of Nod and built a city. (Need a lot of people to do that). Also note that man was created on the sixth day, and Adam was formed out of the dust, on the seventh day. If we believe archaeologists, there is evidence of humans living on earth 48 thousand years ago. Adam's history back 6000 years.
I am not asking about the flood. What size was Noh's Arch?
Probably, enough.
Look at that story from the point of view of a local flood in the area, and domestic animals only, taken on board, it could be quite feasible. The dimensions are given.
I am absolutely fascinated by this book. Or, rather, by its absurdity.
If the Bible is God's words, why does he confuse us so much by this book?
It is not confusing to those who believe in God
OTR
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worriedmum
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(Date Posted:23/08/2007 14:17:01)
Reply to OTR
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I don't think man can really give a positive answer to this, only speculate, what the mechanics of it all is, does it really matter? We shouldn't put limits on God.
I think it does matter! I do not place limits on God, but on the Bible! If it is ?words of God', why did not he tell us, that we live on a planet? May be he did not know the laws of physics, if you know what I am talking about?
God did bless Adam and Eve by putting them in paradise, it was them who disobeyed God and lost that blessing.
What sort of a blessing is that, if you can't have sex?!!! Gee! Do you, people want this life in Eden? No sex? No love? Just love to God? Man's paradise on Earth, is it?
The word image in its grammatical context means; 'to become like or assimilation:' i.e. to be (little)gods over the creation. Not so much as God looking like a human form
God is a Spirit, and believers, men and women, will be as the angels in the next life, we are told there will be no more relationships.
So, what you are saying, we should not take the words of the Bible literally but only in the context? Right?
God did not invent the lunar calendar, man did.
No, man did not invent the moon, according to Bible, God did. No moon, no calendar!
'DAY' mentioned here comes from the Hebrew 'Yom' meaning, era or period of time. God cannot lie.
Sorry, I will have to disagree on the meaning of word Yom in Hebrew, because linguistics is my hobby and this is my knowledge. Some Creationists say that God's day is much longer than 24 hours. And probably it makes sense for God, but personally I think it is confusing for us, mortals, with normal way of logical thinking.
Eve was created from a rib. God mastered cloning very well then.
Well... OK, if it can be done, He would certainly be able to.
The whole idea actually reinforces a patriarchal society, approves that woman is a lower human being and should be subjected to man! So in relation to that, in what way do you, women, think Christianity is a better religion than say, Muslim religion and culture?
There are various scriptures that indicate there must have been a pre-Adamic race of people created. (Example)When Cain was sent into exile we read he went to the land of Nod and built a city. (Need a lot of people to do that). Also note that man was created on the sixth day, and Adam was formed out of the dust, on the seventh day. If we believe archaeologists, there is evidence of humans living on earth 48 thousand years ago. Adam's history back 6000 years.
Ah, OK. So whom do you believe, the Bible or archaeologists? It gives us the following problems consequently.
!) Say, Adam and Eve were not the first man and woman? Bible does not tell us about who created people that Cain met. Someone had to create them, or you do think they evolved from Homo erectus?
2) How do you know when Adam was created? So God visited us 6000 years ago, according to you, the Bible, or archaeologists??
3) Say, if there was a pre-adamic race. Did that pre-Adamic race also have to suffer for Adam and Eve's sin, as they mixed with Adam and Eve's children? Did their descendants have to suffer for Adam's sin? Does it sound fair to you? Do you believe that God is just? If he is, why punish those people who had nothing to do with Adam's eating the fruit of knowledge? Or, do we not question God's authority and he does as he pleases? Well, at least he could give us some clear guidelines first.
4) I recommend you reading the Bible (2:2), as it says on the seventh day God rested! (That is why we don't work on Sundays and Jews don't work on Saturday.) On the sixth day God actually created man and woman and blessed them to multiply (1:28)! The story of Adam and Eve is a completely separate story in more detail about first man and woman. It says Man had called the woman Eve, after they were thrown out of Eden. The Bible story only is interpreted as thought Adam and Eve were the first man and woman! These two stories do not match!
Do you follow me? Or you still think you are not confused?
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(Date Posted:23/08/2007 15:08:14)
Reply to : worriedmum
Reply to OTR?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />I don't think man can really give a positive answer to this, only speculate, what the mechanics of it all is, does it really matter? We shouldn't put limits on God.
Give up OTR, this discussion is a losing battle. Some people are locked in so tight with their thoughts that no matter how you try to explain, they just cannot see the simplicity. The point is that people need to know that God is omnipotent and he knows best, and he certainly does not have the attributes, thoughts and actions of sinful natural vain man.
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worriedmum
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(Date Posted:23/08/2007 16:28:01)
Reply to escaped
The point is that people need to know that God is omnipotent and he knows best, and he certainly does not have the attributes, thoughts and actions of sinful natural vain man.
Well, basically, this is all you can say, because you like to believe everything you are told , not think with your head.
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