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Rank:Rookier III

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Registered: 21/04/2008

(Date Posted:22/04/2008 22:49:11)

I'd like to express my concern for former Rev'rs who get involved with the manifestations of the 'Toronto blessing' such as holy laughter and even the more established 'slaying in the Spirit'. I was prompted to look into this a little after I listened to a recent conversation in the ShoutBox.


It seems to me after this look that such experiences are *at best* merely manifestations of the flesh. Further it seems to me that any organisation which promotes them as being from the Spirit, let alone scriptural or to be desired, has serious deficiencies in their theology and appreciation of scripture.


I've never experienced any of these beyond viewing of videos on YouTube of rallies held by Benny Hinn and Kenneth Hagin - images which I found somewhat disturbing. However, friends whom I respect and who have experienced or seen them at first hand assess such manifestations with terms ranging from 'bringing them closer to God' to demonic. Similarly I've read in Wesley's diaries where some in the crowds to whom he spoke were left in catatonic states which seem to correspond to what we call today 'being slain in the Spirit'. (As I recall, he puzzled over whether it was the work of God or human nature.)


I should also add that I've visited a number of Pentecostal churches and as I said I've never seen such activities so I'm *not* tarring Pentecostal churches per se with this brush.


Now, over the years I've heard a number of scriptures used to justify such experiences and they all seem to be totally wrested out of context and I'm quite unconvinced that such experiences are biblical blessings. I believe that the authors of the NT would in fact dissociate from them as pagan.


My recent reading has, however, flagged close correspondance between these manifestations and a Hindu 'kundalini release'. See e.g., http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/blessing.html. It also has flagged that those seeking such experience are exhorted to effectively 'turn off their minds', something *quite* unscriptural - especially wrt 'testing the spirits'.


I remind those who say, "It must be from God because it brings me closer to Him" that the biblical practice was to rank scripture above experience. Our Rev'r approach, generally ignorant of scripture and ranking experience above scripture, sets us up for accepting 'Toronto blessings' as being from God.

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RE:'Toronto blessing' and kundalini
(Date Posted:23/04/2008 02:40:13)

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RE:'Toronto blessing' and kundalini
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RE:'Toronto blessing' and kundalini
(Date Posted:23/04/2008 13:38:37)

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RE:'Toronto blessing' and kundalini
(Date Posted:23/04/2008 18:53:48)

Yo Guest

I dunno if they are connected, but geez I tire of the bloody fear-mongering that christians like to propogate
If you'd written 'some christians' I'd agree

Anything that isn't prescribed in triplicate as being from Christ himself is deemed demonic, dangerous and forbidden.
Actually, the evidence is that many Christians disagree with this point, IMHO (as a Christian) there are many 'good 'experiences we can enjoy, but not all of them are direct moves of the Holy Spirit .

Can't believe the sicko paranoia that feeds the christian psyche!!!
I often find the psyche of those who seem to make generalisations not based on evidence or logic to be frustrating. I'm hoping that you've inadvertently left out a 'some' here or there.

(Message edited by Talmid On 23/04/2008 18:55:54)

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RE:'Toronto blessing' and kundalini
(Date Posted:23/04/2008 19:27:53)

Talmid, you just beat me to the button, I was in the process of posting much of what you just said. 
Just to add; Guest, Not all Christians think that way, it stems mainly from ignorant folk who have not a clue what the Bible message is all about. A little research and correct reading shows it has nothing to do with the experiences one sees in scripture. 

brolga 

(Message edited by brolga On 23/04/2008 19:29:00)

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RE:'Toronto blessing' and kundalini
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RE:'Toronto blessing' and kundalini
(Date Posted:23/04/2008 21:47:34)

Guest,

Before the 'sweetness and light' goes too far Wink, I should say that I do believe that 'Jesus is the ONLY way' and further that there are important differences between "things of a spiritual nature' and 'things of a Spiritual nature'.

(Message edited by Talmid On 23/04/2008 21:56:18)

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RE:'Toronto blessing' and kundalini
(Date Posted:23/04/2008 23:05:20)

Again, it is according to the Bible, that Jesus is the Way. The way to what? Eternal life! "Shimming and shaking etc.," to prove anything else otherwise is of no avail. He did the job, it is written for all to see and it is finished, whatever we may think, Christians and non Christians alike.

brolga

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