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misterkilometres
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RE:Forensic
(Date Posted:10/10/2008 00:38:20)
Disciple, This is about it :
forensic
The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology
forensic pert. to courts of law. XVII. f. L. forensis, f. forum; see FORUM, -IC.
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misterkilometres
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RE:Forensic
(Date Posted:10/10/2008 00:40:59)
And foythermoyre: Etymology
The first teachers of oratory were the ancient
Greeks and Romans, namely Aristotle and Cicero. When they were classifying
"kinds" of oratory, they termed the kind of argument used in a court of law to
prove or disprove past events "forensic" argumentation. Centuries later while
universities were still teaching all the forms of argument, students decided to
take it to the competitive level and began debating for sport in an activity
they named "forensics." Today forensics includes competitive dramatics and
public speaking.
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Didaktikon
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Reply To Disciple
(Date Posted:10/10/2008 01:02:17)
Young padawan,
Ah, yes. The imputation of Christ's righteousness in the forensic justification of the sinner by God 
Now, to very briefly consider a matter that would likely bore the average viewer of this site into a coma! As you would no doubt be aware, there's been something of a "paradigm shift" in scholarly opinion during the past few decades into whether or not the expression dikaiosune theou should be understood as a subjective genitive, or as an objective genitive. Properly comprehending the implications of this issue is, of course, absolutely crucial to grasping what Paul intended in your current passage!
Personally, and FWIW, I lean more towards the traditional (or so-called "Lutheran") understanding than I do to one or other of the various strands of thought commonly subsumed under the rubric, the "New Perspective". However, in admitting as much, Bishop N.T. Wright has put forward some fairly convincing arguments in support of his version of the latter! My recommendation to you would be to compare James Dunn's commentary on these verses in the WBC series, against Moo's in the NICNT. It might also be helpful to read some of Bishop Wright's views, helpfully collated and available at the following website: www.ntwrightpage.com
But are you having fun with Romans, old chap? 
Blessings,
Ian
(Message edited by Didaktikon On 10/10/2008 01:40:01)
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Disciple
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Reply To Didaktikon
(Date Posted:10/10/2008 07:27:33)
Reply to Didaktikon Young padawan,
Ah, yes. The imputation of Christ's righteousness in the forensic justification of the sinner by God
Now, to very briefly consider a matter that would likely bore the average viewer of this site into a coma! As you would no doubt be aware, there's been something of a "paradigm shift" in scholarly opinion during the past few decades into whether or not the expression dikaiosune theou should be understood as a subjective genitive, or as an objective genitive. Properly comprehending the implications of this issue is, of course, absolutely crucial to grasping what Paul intended in your current passage!
Personally, and FWIW, I lean more towards the traditional (or so-called "Lutheran") understanding than I do to one or other of the various strands of thought commonly subsumed under the rubric, the "New Perspective". However, in admitting as much, Bishop N.T. Wright has put forward some fairly convincing arguments in support of his version of the latter! My recommendation to you would be to compare James Dunn's commentary on these verses in the WBC series, against Moo's in the NICNT. It might also be helpful to read some of Bishop Wright's views, helpfully collated and available at the following website: www.ntwrightpage.com
But are you having fun with Romans, old chap?
Blessings,
Ian
much obliged
Big E
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Didaktikon
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Reply To Didaktikon
(Date Posted:10/10/2008 17:52:33)
Good morning, Eric.
If you need any help, just 'shout'. But I'm sort of hoping that you're seriously considering undertaking an honours year once you complete the BTh. And after a year or two of reflection, a MTh (or in the case of the SCD, a MTh with Honours)? Research has much to commend it!
Blessings,
Ian
P.S. Oops, I should've added: and whatever you do, don't let the Hebrew and Greek slip! Basic proficiency in the languages was hard to come by but is easy to lose!
(Message edited by Didaktikon On 10/10/2008 17:54:58)
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