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Registered: 10/03/2007

(Date Posted:12/03/2007 16:29:18)

In the closing months of 1900 Pastor Charles Parham established theffice:smarttags" />?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comBethelBibleSchoolon the outskirts ofTopeka,Kansas,U.S.A.It was there that he challenged his thirty-four students to search the Scriptures for evidence of receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.His students were soon in agreement that the outward physical evidence of such an experience was the glossolalia or speaking in tongues.At a New Year Service to usher in 1901, Parham prayed for a young student named AgnesOzman, he laid his hands on her and she began to speak in a language she had never learned or heard. Over the next few daysParham and other members of the students body had the same experience; the Pentecostal movement had begun. Soon it wasto spread to theBritish Isles,Scandinaviaand across the English-speaking world.Sadly after almost a century the concept of an experience subsequent to conversion, commonly known as the Baptism of theHoly Spirit, and accompanied by supernatural phenomena, remains a source of deep rooted division amongst many.I for one believe that this event was one of many at that time that heralded the Latter Rain, Holy Spirit outpouring.If I am wrong, please someone, anyone, everyone show me where!let the battle be joined. With Sword drawn I await your response.

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(Date Posted:24/03/2007 05:29:31)

Reply to : Sea Urchin
Hey M&R you're welcome - everyone should ALWAYShave the freedom to say exactly what they want to - it's a democratic country after all and thank goodness for that!Revivalists annoy me... like really annoy me, but then most people do. Christians annoy me, but I am really trying to learn to be more tolerant, and to let peoplebelieve whatever the heck they like.

Well you've won me... and I liked your coloured replies... made my heart go all gooey - ewww (re your reply to frank yesterday).

It was wrong of me to say Christians'or Revivalists annoy me. I don't like the idea of putting people into categories anyway, it's unhealthy and a bad habit of mine. I don't believe you're any different or better or more 'saved' than I am. I think people do like to crown themselves with a title as soon as they percieve they've been saved in some way but I see it as a need to separate themselves from the sort of people they were and trying not to be. What I don't like is the elitist mindset different varieties of believers... obviously one you don't share. I may be unfairly projecting the attitudes that I had as a Revivalist but I don't think it was uncommon. I felt disdain and pity for anyone who didn't share my tongues 'experience'... and it bordered on loathing.  

Maybe I actually enjoy being around christians here on the board? Does that explain my haunting here? I like to stir them, that's for sure.

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“The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic” - Darwin
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(Date Posted:24/03/2007 07:37:54)

Reply to : mailboy
I hope you are a sheep Mothand Rust, I will pray that you are sheep. I want you to be a sheep. Any mans death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind,and therefore nveer send to know for whom the bell tolls.............it tolls for thee" (John Donne) do not just pray for you MothandRust, I weep for you.

No I'm not a bloody sheep. And for crying out loud... stop your damn weeping! The thought of someone weeping over me sounds just utterly pathetic. Pick yourself up man. I can dig that your intentions are good and empathise with your wish to sympathise for others when you think that someone needs what you have. Perhaps I will pray to my god that you are looked after eh? That'd be science... "Oh dear science, please look after mailboy... oh you do already? Thanks science".

See, this is sort of what does annoy me and makes me actually feel sorry for you (though I'm not gonna bawl over it). You WANT me to be a sheep like you because It would feed your insecurities to know that others continue to take up your belief system and conform to your reality of things.

After all the churching you've been through you will not accept people for who they are. I suppose if I made a list of all the good things I do, you'd still weep for me because I don't believe in your lifestyle as the one for me. You can continue to live your life like that if you like... that's up to you. Whatever keeps you alive I suppose.

Sheep are stupid, sheep mindlessly follow. They get fleeced often and then eaten. Sure they're happy looking enough creatures, but that's because they're mindless and emotionless. No passion in sheep. So I would be offended by having someone pray me into a sheep like some witches spell, except for the fact that I know that prayer is a ritual superstition that has no effect other than the calming placebo and perceived justification for the person doing it.

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(Date Posted:24/03/2007 08:53:15)

Reply to : mailboy

There's way too many puns going on here

You wrote "for crying out loud stop your damned weeping". Wait a minute, if I did that I would be crying rather than weeping. I am confused, so crying out loud is OK but weeping is not OK? How about sobbing. Can I add a little gnashing of teeth? Is lamenting acceptable? Is sackcloth and ashes in or out? If you want rending of clothing, I'd prefer to use scissors, if that's alright with you.

I assumed (hoped) you weren't phsysically sobbing, but the term weeping for me... well, I think that was a bit melodramatic in the first place and paints a picture that I'm someone whose plight in life is so bad that you would metaphorically weep.

I am sorry I also didn't fully explain. I didn't want you or me to be real sheep. It's a simile. Sort of alegorical. I didn't want to pull the wool over your eyes or ram my message home to ewe.

Again, I assumed you didn't want us to become actual lambs, but I did want to further the analogy of sheep being mindless creatures who follow without thinking.

You assume a lot. My lifestyle. My thoughts. I am never impressed about good things, mine or others ....very temporal. We came here with nothing and we will leave with nothing.

Yes, I assume a lot and make asses out or ewe and me. I also agree... we'll probably leave this life with nothing and find nothing.

"If the egg falls on the rock, then the egg will break. If the rock falls on the rock, then the egg will break. But whether the egg falls on the rock, or the rock falls on the egg, it sure ain't gonna be good for the egg."

Is this like GWM's forest analogy?

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(Date Posted:24/03/2007 09:01:57)

Reply to : mailboy
It was blessed weeping, not damned weeping. I didn't need to be picked up, I was sitting down at the time. Let's not get too melodramatic I didn't prostrate myself or kneel weeping for you, however if you see a need that I do for you at some time in the future, perhaps I might.

prostrate yourself before me..? kneel before Zod type of stuff? In the off chance that you're female I might take you up on that offer.

Damn weeping for crying out loud.. ha... I didn't realise the oxymorons I'd put in there.

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(Date Posted:24/03/2007 15:33:33)

Reply to : mailboy
Reply to : MothandRustReply to : mailboyIt was blessed weeping, not damned weeping. I didn't need to be picked up, I was sitting down at the time. Let's not get too melodramatic I didn't prostrate myself or kneel weeping for you,however if you see a need that I do for you at some time in the future, perhaps I might.prostrate yourself before me..? kneel before Zod type of stuff? In the off chance that you're female I might take you up on that offer.Damn weeping for crying out loud.. ha... I didn't realise the oxymorons I'd put in there.That would be an ovimoron, assuming something concerning cows would be an oxymoron, surley that which concerned sheep would be an ovimoron. But in that were the case an oxymoron would not be an oxymoron, but a bovimoron. Which would make
Didn't understand that but I liked it!
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