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brolga
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(Date Posted:12/05/2007 17:29:18)
Reply to : Rescuethem
Hi rescue,
I don't know if you have read this before, but for the sake of the excercise, I brought a copy over from another thread. I have edited a little though.
Since early childhood up until I was converted to the GRC in 1968 (excommunicated in 1981), I often used to pretend to mimic a Chinaman and speak out in their language. It must have been impressive and somewhat annoying to people that heard me as I used to get comments like, here comes the Chinaman again, chink,etc., (By the way, I am true blue)  . After being witnessed to, I accepted the word and at a house meeting with Noel Hollins and others got down on my knees to "receive". After awhile I told Noel that I wanted to receive also. It was a big let down as he said that I had received the Holy Ghost, because I was speaking in tongues. All that I was doing was my Chinaman thing. I was always in doubt after that.
Because of this experience I came to following conclusion to which I am comfortable with, but not exhaustive.
In the last four years I have been able to really look into things from sources such as websites like zhubert.com and Young's bible dictionary etc., and see for myself what is.
Many articles and comments, many plausible, have been written about the tongues and not unique to Christianity. Scientific studies, voodoo, witchcraft, some pagan worship, to name a few. Even people suffering from schizophrenia. A close friend, now ex GRC'er, witnessed a person (GRC'er) having an attack, screaming out in "tongues" into a drain culvert and later when Police where taking him away still yelling out in "tongues" from inside the divisional van.( Holy Spirit????)
I believe we have a human trait that gives us the ability to come out in an acquired (learnt) language or a babbling under certain conditions, a spiritual thing maybe? The Corinthians lived in a time when witchcraft, pagan worship and the like was rife, it was their way of life. It seems obvious they must have brought it over into the church, and why Paul had to instruct them to use it for the right reason.
Since I first wrote this, I have done a lot of reading (and praying) from the information made available by Ian and Drew's "Please C'der" as well as other sites on tongues. I know we shouldn't base our beliefs on our own experiences, but I must say it was because of that experience I was freely able to seek out the "truth" of the real meaning of tongues as scripture would have us understand. I now wonder what useful purpose there is for the gift of tongues operating in the church in these times, other than private consultation with our Lord in prayer.
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Rescuethem
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(Date Posted:13/05/2007 14:20:11)
Reply to : Brolga
Thanks for this. sounds interesting. For me I would'nt say or suspect that all tongues have to be from demons or are just a human thing. I still believe (from experience) that there are really true tongues from God.
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MothandRust
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(Date Posted:13/05/2007 14:50:57)
Reply to : Rescuethem
Reply to : BrolgaThanks for this. sounds interesting. For me I would'nt say or suspect that all tongues have to be from demons or are just a human thing. I still believe (from experience) that there are really true tongues from God.
"From experience"...? Ok, I'm keen. Let's talk about tongues and let's cut out the bullshit and be as completely honest as possible. Don't try to sell me anything, just tell it like you think it is.
No agenda on my part here, I just want to know and explore what people really and truly think. Obviously anyone can open their mouths and make sounds that make absolutely no sense. Anyone with a sliver of a brain can understand that concept. But is it supernatural? Is it ever more that just wind and vibration of the vocal chords?
Is it an experience ? When you spoke in tongues, did it actually feel like a supernatural experience or were you just caught up in the emotion of the moment that made you felt like you belonged somewhere - or did you have a real electric touch from an unseen universe of power. Don't bullshit me with buzzwords like manifest and tangible - just tell it like you think it happened. Me, myself, I was mimicing the guy who was praying for me and in all my 17 years there never felt like the 'tongue' was anything more than practiced nonsense talk. Maybe I was fooling myself and never saved in the one's opinion. I want to explore that idea.
I promise not to attack or belittle anyone for telling me how they think it is. In fact, I'll respect some honest truth, as long as it is what you think is the best dang truth you can summon up from everything you know and believe to be true.
I"m sick of the atheist label already and am nowhere near finished working out my take on the universe. So tell me about God... I'm actually ready to listen (whether you're ready to believe me or not).
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(Date Posted:13/05/2007 16:47:42)
I for one, think I have done a fair investigation into tongues from the wealth of information available. My conclusion is that the Pentecost and the other references in Acts, is a perculiar one off event for that time to fulfill old testament prochecy and promises and have left an indelible mark in history at the ushering in of a better and everlasting covenant through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The tongues and interpretation spoken about in Corinthians had their part in the building up of the early church and I cannot see in this day and age how they are any benefit the same way, as we now have a written reference (Bible) to reveal the Lord's will for us.
As for the use of tongues in prayer, is used as a mantra, to keep one's mind focused on the things of the Lord and a building up of one's self spirituality before God.
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bindi
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(Date Posted:13/05/2007 17:11:14)
Reply to : MothandRust
Reply to : RescuethemReply to : BrolgaThanks for this. sounds interesting. For me I would'nt say or suspect that all tongues have to be from demons or are just a human thing. I still believe (from experience) that there are really true tongues from God."From experience"...?Ok, I'm keen. Let's talk about tongues and let's cut out the bullshit and be as completelyhonest as possible. Don't try to sell me anything, just tell it likeyou think it is. No agenda on my part here, I just want to know and explore what people really and truly think. Obviously anyone can open their mouths and make sounds that make absolutely no sense. Anyone with a sliver of a brain can understand that concept. But is it supernatural? Is it ever more that just w
Moth... I'll tell you of my experience when I spoke in tongues...
Is it an experience ? When you spoke in tongues, did it actually feel like a supernatural experience or were you just caught up in the emotion of the moment that made you felt like you belonged somewhere - or did you have a real electric touch from an unseen universe of power. Don't bullshit me with buzzwords like manifest and tangible - just tell it like you think it happened.
I was in a lounge room praying with my best mate... Keeping in mind that I knew nothing of the bible except the salvation scriptures that the RF/RCI etc preached...I sat there praying fervently for the Holy Spirit. NOT tongues. I had this overwhelming feeling come over me. Like a hole was in the top of my head and this smooth feeling of what felt like oil being poured inside of me and all the 'evil' that I'd committed ( by 'christian' standards mind you! ) was being flushed right out of me through my feet. I spoke in a very fluent new tongue. It wasn't psychosematic. As we were driving back home, the other people were talking in the car about what a great night it had been. I was completely silent. Numb by my experience. As cars drove by us, all I could see were skeletons driving. You may laugh at this but it's true. It kinda freaked me out! Like I said, I knew nothing of scripture.. but my 'revelation' for want of a better word, was that the people driving past me were alive but 'dead'. Alive in the flesh, but 'dead' in the spirit. Despite the anti organisation stance I have now, I cannot, nor ever will dispute or deny what happened to me. You wanted to hear our experiences so there ya have it! lol... Well, at least MY experience anyways.
Regards... Bindi
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