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(Date Posted:26/10/2007 15:30:44)
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Didaktikon
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(Date Posted:27/10/2007 11:22:48)
Reply to : For Zions Sake
Hi Zion,
Didaktikon...are you serious???
Very much so.
Do you mean that everytime everyone in the GRC prays in tongues while they open in prayer, take prayer requests, bless the word, take communion, exercise the gifts, pray in the prayer line, close in prayer, have a prayer time between meetings on Sunday, have a prayer time at the end of meetings on Wednesday and Saturday, dedicate a baby, pray all day, for several days at a fast.....and so on.....they are 'biblically, morally and ethically out of order'???????
According to Paul's very clear, very precise direction to the Corinthians, should a person pray publicly in 'tongues', then it must be interpreted. Paul nowhere provides any exceptions to this 'rule' (e.g.your: open in prayer, take prayer requests, bless the word, take communion, exercise the gifts, pray in the prayer line, close in prayer, have a prayer time between meetings on Sunday, have a prayer time at the end of meetings on Wednesday and Saturday, dedicate a baby, pray all day, for several days at a fast.....and so on.....). Public 'tongues' ALWAYS requires public 'interpretation'.
Blessings,
Ian
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(Date Posted:27/10/2007 12:18:02)
Reply to : brolga
Hi Brolga
I for one believe Didaktikon is correct in this statement. Not only in the GRC but all who practice this nonsense.
I know, I know...just thought I was over the shock of having my 'eyes opened'...looks like the fun has just begun.
Have you researched this issue yourself? I think I have read everything that is available on the matter and this is the only conclusion I can come to,...
No, I haven't done any research yet...any suggestions?
...albeit my initial experience with "receiving" tongues was somewhat questionable.
Well, my initial experience was not questionable at all...I think???
Reply to : Didaktikon
Thanks Didaktikon (strange...it's very difficult to type fast in Greek!!..)
According to Paul's very clear, very precise direction to the Corinthians, should a person pray publicly in 'tongues', then it must be interpreted. Paul nowhere provides any exceptions to this 'rule' (e.g.your: open in prayer, take prayer requests, bless the word, take communion, exercise the gifts, pray in the prayer line, close in prayer, have a prayer time between meetings on Sunday, have a prayer time at the end of meetings on Wednesday and Saturday, dedicate a baby, pray all day, for several days at a fast.....and so on.....). Public 'tongues' ALWAYS requires public 'interpretation'.
It just surprises me, and disappoints me, how easy it is to make such a dreadful error. I have read those scriptures many times and it made sense the 'old' way. I know I was 'guided' in my understanding, but in the beginning, I looked to prove them wrong and never saw it the correct way. Other than learning Greek, I guess I had no hope...
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(Date Posted:27/10/2007 13:46:23)
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:01/10/2008 19:56:23)
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Reply To brolga
(Date Posted:01/10/2008 23:33:05)
Hiya, Ralph.
An issue came to light again this morning when my RF friend mentioned he was going to spend half a day praying in the Spirit (speaking in tongues)...
Why on earth would he want to do that?! 
Being well armed due to Please Consider and etc., I made the situation quite clear it is not what praying in the Spirit means. A bit of feedback through the essays confirmed I was correct in the discussion this morning, but I find a couple of answers still elusive to this question...
Okay.
We know that Paul, in the church (publicly) spoke in tongues and made it clear, "no interpreter- no tongues - let speak to himself - etc", then can we come to a definite conclusion that one can use tongues in private prayer to any avail or is it wrong.?
Actually, to begin with we know that Paul never spoke in "tongues" in the church (i.e. "publicly") at all! About this fact he was explicitly clear. For example, in 1 Corinthians 14:6 Paul used a conditional modifier, that is one predicated by the word "if", to make his case. This identifies the "possibility" of him "speaking in tongues" in a meeting context, but that such was far from being a "certainty" (i.e. had he used "when", instead). Further, note the implication of verse 18, but qualified as it is by verse 19. To Paul, prayer in "tongues" was better served as a private practice rather than as a public one.
Blessings,
Ian
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(Date Posted:01/10/2008 23:38:55)
Of course, the above response is mine; I simply failed to "log in" first 
Ian
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:01/10/2008 23:47:26)
Brolga: We know that Paul, in the church (publicly) spoke in tongues and made it clear, "no interpreter- no tongues - let speak to himself - etc", then can we come to a definite conclusion that one can use tongues in private prayer to any avail or is it wrong.?
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Ian, I don't believe you answered Brolga's question actually. He asked "then can we come to a definite conclusion that one can use tongues in private prayer to any avail or is it wrong."?
I'm interested in hearing your view if you have one - DO you consider it 'wrong' to pray in tongues in private prayer?
Urch
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:02/10/2008 04:24:47)
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Didaktikon
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Reply To Sea%20Urchin
(Date Posted:02/10/2008 05:07:04)
Urch,
Ian, I don't believe you answered Brolga's question actually.
'Yes' I did, actually 
He asked "...then can we come to a definite conclusion that one can use tongues in private prayer to any avail or is it wrong?"
One doesn't start the conversation, as you have done, with the apodosis. I pointed Ralph to Paul's discussion of the matter in 1 Corinthians 14. Which, of course, answered the issue more than adequately. And Ralph, himself, has indicated as much 
I'm interested in hearing your view if you have one - DO you consider it 'wrong' to pray in tongues in private prayer?
You already know the answer to this, rather pointless question, given that you already know something of the vagaries of my prayer life. Consequently, I wonder that you felt there to be need to ask it at all.
Blessings,
Ian
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Reply To brolga
(Date Posted:02/10/2008 05:15:57)
Good evening, Ralph.
Ah, even with my much studying on this issue, Why didn't I see that bit before?
For the most simple of reasons: a pre-conditioned acceptance of a particular position, reinforced as it was by many years in Revivalism. The Scottish proverb rings true: "...many things in the Bible I see, most of them put there by you and by me."
Exegesis can only work, it can only be effective, if one approaches the biblical text with a certain degree of academic "distanciation". Question everything, assume nothing and search diligently for the truth
Blessings,
Ian
(Message edited by Didaktikon On 02/10/2008 05:18:18)
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:02/10/2008 06:24:04)
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:02/10/2008 08:58:54)
Brolga,
Regarding long periods of praying in tongues, I think RF associates it with the parable about a man who goes boldly at midnight to seek what he requires and doesn't give up until he receives what it is he requests.
Luke 11: 8 Though he will not rise and hive him, because he is his friend, yet BECAUSE OF HIS IMPORTUNITY he will rise and give him as many as he needeth.
I remember this scripture being used before prayer and fasts.
Epi
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:02/10/2008 15:13:40)
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Episkopeo
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:02/10/2008 17:57:36)
Brolga,
I'm not saying it's right, but this is what they use to encourage people to pray and fast, especially on official prayer and fast days. Emphasis is on importunity - persistently plead, implore, entreat (in tongues) for what you want.
Epi
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:02/10/2008 18:16:07)
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Reply To Episkopeo
(Date Posted:07/10/2008 15:40:02)
Reply to Episkopeo Hi Brolga,
Having an open-mindedness to look into scripture as the original author intended - how true that is.
Epi
Just a point of curiosity. Are you a former revivalist pastor ?? No need to reveal which revivalist group, just a yay or nay will suffice.
blessings
Disciple
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:08/10/2008 17:06:50)
Sorry Epi, that was me (Urch) that butted in to Disciple. I just get a bit lazy about logging in sometimes, and I hope you didn't mind too much? I almost felt 'ínsulted' on your behalf that he would think you were an ex-rf pastor (ha ha).
I think I can speak for many of us when I say that your input, insight and encouragement is quite valuable on this forum - good to have people that have moved on from rev and have a good persepective of it all without any bitterness.
Love, Urch
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Didaktikon
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(Date Posted:08/10/2008 17:56:15)
Hi, Urch.
I almost felt 'ínsulted' on your behalf that he would think you were an ex-rf pastor (ha ha).
Well you shouldn't have, given that the particular ex-RCI pastor he thought she may have been was Drew Dixon, the co-author of the www.pleaseconsider.info web resource! Eric was actually paying Epi a compliment!
Blessings,
Ian
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RE:Speaking in tongues without an interpreter
(Date Posted:08/10/2008 18:50:33)
Ian, yes I know who Drew is and have read most of 'PC' over the last few years (a lot of it while still in rf and coming to grips with leaving). I was just trying to justify to Epi why I poked my nose in, that's all! LOL
Epi, yep, good old hindsight is an amazing thing huh? So easy now to look back and see things clearly - I think our (my) 'vision' was definitely very clouded while still under the old RF banner. There sure is a process to go through before one makes that final step out into freedom. I continue to pray for everyone with family members still in the system that they too will receive the same revelation and begin to see past the indoctrination.
Love, Urch
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