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Pastor Buck
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(Date Posted:21/01/2009 20:52:14)

Hi all I like to visit this site now and again to see what is going on for the Ex revivalist.

I read with interest the articles that are written on here and wonder if everyone is still confused and searching for the way to at one with God?

it seems that no one has an opinion that everyone agrees with.

I would also Like to ask what came first unhappiness with the oversight or issues reagrding salvation?


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Re:confusion
(Date Posted:21/01/2009 22:03:35)

Hello 'Pastor' Buck

I don't think that 'everyone' here is confused at all PB. What you are seeing (reading) are various people's views on various topics - this process shouldn't be mistaken for 'confusion'. When people are free to think for themselves instead of only believing what they're 'told' to think by oversight, they will explore and discuss and search out matters for themselves.

And when it comes to an individual's relationship with God, it can't be done corporately (ALL who attend revival are not necessarily in a personal relationship with God), we need to have a personal relationship with Him. Some of us choose to fellowship with other Christians, some do not, some are still searching for happiness after these organisations have finished with them. Some have been hurt beyond repair but the majority of folk are just getting on with their walks and finding that God has never left them or forsaken them at all  (contrary to what rev. told them). Another interesting point too, I have yet to find people who have become '7 times worse' after leaving revival although this was constantly preached about. It's great to see folk getting on with their lives and rejoicing in the Lord without bitterness but obviously this is not the case for all.

I would also Like to ask what came first unhappiness with the oversight or issues reagrding salvation?

This would be different for everyone I would have thought!  Maybe there are even other reasons for leaving apart from the two you've suggested??

Urchin
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Re:confusion
(Date Posted:21/01/2009 22:15:11)

Hi all I like to visit this site now and again to see what is going on for the Ex revivalist.

Hi to you too. You should realise, though, that only a tiny percentage of 'ex-revivalists' post here!!

I read with interest the articles that are written on here and wonder if everyone is still confused and searching for the way to at one with God?

Bzzz... nope and it's probably never been true that 'everyone is ... confused and searching for the way to at one with God' [sic]

it seems that no one has an opinion that everyone agrees with.

... much like RF oversight and their understanding of the trinity and christology

I would also Like to ask what came first unhappiness with the oversight or issues reagrding salvation?

Why bother? RF soteriology is uncriptural, unorthodox and 'another gospel', however individuals may answer that question. (Personally, I made it clear to my RF overseers that it was salvation ldoctrine rather than praxis that was the decider for me - although the two are linked.) I highly recommend you prayerfully read the articles at PleaseConsider.info

I could similarly ask you: when RF'rs came along, which came first, unhappiness with there lives or a revelation that if they didn't speak in tongues there was no guarantee they had the Spirit.



(Message edited by Talmid On 21/01/2009 22:30:27)

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(Date Posted:23/01/2009 00:44:23)

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(Date Posted:23/01/2009 02:24:19)


I would also Like to ask what came first unhappiness with the oversight or issues reagrding salvation?


Pastor Buck,

Almost everyone in RF is probably already unhappy with the oversight.

However it is because of the beliefs in getting saved and staying saved that they feel obliged to put up with a lot of bs.  When you stop believing in what RF says about getting saved and or staying saved then there is no more reason to put up with the bs anymore and so naturally a lot of people will come on here and get a lot of things off their chest that they for years had to keep to themselves.

I think you'll find that most oversight can always cover their asses by just holding their hands up and saying "we're just human and we make mistakes.  The important thing is to not let any man rob you of your salvation."  This is another way of saying "yes I admit that a lot of what we do is ludicrous but .... you have to accept it anyway!!"

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Reply To Pastor%20Buck
(Date Posted:23/01/2009 06:09:46)

Hi, Buck.

Hi all I like to visit this site now and again to see what is going on for the Ex revivalist.

I think we probably all do. I find that I personally derive considerable satisfaction coming here to learn of an ever increasing number of Revivalists who are waking up from their previous religious stupor, to discover the grace of God first-hand.

I read with interest the articles that are written on here and wonder if everyone is still confused and searching for the way to [be] at one with God?

Sure. But if you think there is confusion here, then perhaps you should really visit your average Revivalist assembly? The situation is far worse there.

it seems that no one has an opinion that everyone agrees with.

Perhaps, but at least here people are encouraged to actually think through the issues for themselves.

I would also Like to ask what came first unhappiness with the oversight or issues reagrding salvation?

That's easy. For me it was definitely the latter. I'd never placed a great deal of faith in the clearly flawed group of men who go by the quite inappropriate title of 'Oversight'.

Blessings,

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Reply To Pastor%20Buck
(Date Posted:26/01/2009 21:41:57)


Reply to Pastor Buck (21/01/2009 20:52:14)

Hi all I like to visit this site now and again to see what is going on for the Ex revivalist.

Welcome! I am glad that you take an interest in whats happening with us, hope you find that indeed we are doing well!



I read with interest the articles that are written on here and wonder if everyone is still confused and searching for the way to at one with God?

Personally for me, there was while I was in the fellowship I was always confused. As soon as I started to let go of all the Revival ideas, what the Pastor and Everyone says and all  I found the way to be at one with God.



it seems that no one has an opinion that everyone agrees with.

Lets read what Romans 14 says:

1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone Else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

 5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

 9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written:
   " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
   'every knee will bow before me;
      every tongue will confess to God.' "12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

 13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

 19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.

 22So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.


I would also Like to ask what came first unhappiness with the oversight or issues regarding salvation?
Mainly issues regarding salvation. But there's so many other things I don't even know where to begin.

Peace my friend.




(Message edited by WestCoast On 27/01/2009 03:43:43)
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Re:confusion
(Date Posted:26/01/2009 22:50:37)

 WestCoast

Please refrain using yellow font as it is too hard to see on background.
Sea Urchin
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Re:confusion
(Date Posted:27/01/2009 00:12:49)

Escaped: The yellow font was only used by WC for pastor whats-his-name's comments - so you can always go back and read it.

Westcoast:  Well said indeed! Romans 14 is a great chapter and I think verse 13 sums it up well -

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Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another"

God bless, Urch
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